Miscellaneous Musings #9 The Mystery of the Shemitah

September 21, 2014

I think I will take a break from the current Zion series to share a few musings.


In one of my posts in the current series I made the following statement

“From my personal study, adding context, from other related prophetic passages, it appears to me that during this time of upheaval, a secret combination of traitors within the US government coordinates a military invasion of America from an external army that is assembled from many foreign nations.

While the invading army is approaching, God’s people are gathering or have gathered to the designated place where the city Zion is to be built. During this time of “consumption” upon the hypocritical nation, the gathering of the elect “overflows with righteousness“.

To borrow a phrase from Masonry, “Out of chaos comes order.”

Shortly after I made that observation I got an email with the following comment in it:

“have you read the reports of ISIS fighters (who are made up of many nations including the USA) gathering in mexico where they intend to come through the porous border to carry out attacks inside the country? apparently the feds know but choose to do nothing about it.”

The next day I saw the following post on a conspiracy board

I have since seen several other interesting articles related to this topic. This is the latest one

Could ISIS result in the fulfillment of the invasion prophecy in Micah?

I don’t know.

“Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say:Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.”

A friend of mine from “down under” sent me this link to a fascinating blog post that is detailing how the LDS Church is actually charging new converts to join the church in certain parts of the world. http://www.nearingkolob.com/new-mormons-converts-must-pay-baptized/

Although I can appreciate that one of the challenges of the modern church in some parts of the world has to do with people that become inactive from the day they are baptized, as well as freeloaders that join because membership has its privileges, it is still shocking to see prophecy being fulfilled.

You just can’t make this stuff up!

For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.”

The Succession Issue- Doing Secretive Priesthood Ordinations and Authorizations in the Dark

The scriptures warn us time and again to beware of those that do secret things in the dark. When the Lord’s Church is on the earth, He always chooses and ordains his servants openly, never in darkness.This is how the Lord operates so that conspiratorial combinations cannot take infiltrate and hijack the church if the Saints are paying attention.

I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness.” (2nd Nephi 26 :23)

Emma made the astute observation that Joseph and Hyrum were killed because of the secret things they had been involved in.

One of the things that God stresses regarding priesthood offices and how to govern the church, is that everything needs to be done publicly, in the open. Nothing should be done in secrecy.

no person is to be ordained to any office in the church where there is a regularly organized branch of the same, without the vote of the that church.. Every president of the high priesthood (or presiding elder) bishop, high councilor, and high priest, is to be ordained by the direction of the high council or general council or general conference” (D&C 20 65-67) See also all of the passages regarding the law of common consent.

The Law of Common Consent make transparency requisite.

Over the years I have read countless papers on the LDS succession issue. Back when I was a naive member of the church who had done virtually no research into church history and very little serious scripture study, I used to read the various diatribes on the succession issue by LDS scholars as if they were the gospel truth.

Nearly four decades of research later, I am torn between the urge to laugh and the urge to cry when I go back and read the justifications and shameless spin that the apologetic wordmeisters come up with in these essays.

A friend of mine recently sent me the following essay by Esplin:


On page 20 Esplin makes the following observations:

That because of the proven competence and loyalty of the Twelve, Joseph Smith privately prepared them and fully authorized them by priesthood keys and the knowledge of temple ordinances and doctrine to carry on his mission. No other quorum or group of men was similarly authorized, prepared, and charged

Privately prepared, authorized and charged to carry on Joseph’s mission?

In secret?

Since when is a different first presidency supposed to be “privately authorized, prepared and charged ” to replace the existing president, without the knowledge of the saints?

How was the general church membership supposed to know that the Lord had changed the order of things, instituted secret ordinances, and made the quorum of the Twelve (who had previously been told they were not allowed to preside in an organized stake) the new First Presidency of the church. Since when does the Lord secretly replace existing authorities because others are deemed more “competent” and “loyal” than someone, who had been established in the first presidency for over a decade, by revelation and common consent?

According to the mind dazzling observations of Esplin, these secret meetings with secret instructions and secret keys and ordinances, secretly replaced Sidney Rigdon as the rightful successor to Joseph Smith, with the quorum of the 12, yet these secret proceedings did not finally became public until the disciplinary church court of of Sidney Rigdon which was essentially conducted under the authority of the Twelve, with the Twelve acting as Sidney’s accusers?!?:

Sidney Rigdon’s trial, 8 September 1844, provided the most extensive public airing of the [secret] temple-related issues at the heart of succession and served as an important forum for making the Saints more aware of the private instructions, keys, and anticipated ordinances.


 moglyTrust in me… trust in me… trust in me…

Here’s the logic from Brigham and the Twelve that the more ignorant of the saints bought into:

” We need to excommunicate Sid because he has not been as competent and loyal as us! (the Twelve) (and because he will discipline us  for our secret wife abominations and bring our works of darkness into the light, if we don’t!) Oh, by the way, don’t worry about us getting rid of Ridgon, which will leave the church without a member of the First Presidency that was called of God through Joseph, and without someone that has been ordained and sustained as a prophet seer and revelator. We are happy to be able to report to you that the Lord secretly authorized, prepared and charged us with replacing him and carrying on Joseph’s mission several months ago while you were sleeping…. TRUST US!”

It appears to me that these observations and declarations by Esplin were calculated to prey on the ignorance of those that don’t understand how church administration, priesthood authority and succession is supposed to work according to God’s word in the scriptures. Had Esplin been raised in the RLDS or Strangite traditions, I suspect his logic would have been just as dizzying in supporting their claims.

For those interested in the succession issue, here is another fascinating read by Ehat which I have referred to before:

Ehat Succession-continuity

It is quite an exhaustive expose on what was taking place in Nauvoo during the time leading up to and including the death of Joseph Smith.

Although it is also couched in apologetic spin just as dizzying as the above essay, it is quite revealing.

(One of the things that it proves beyond doubt, is that Joseph Smith was definitely secretly practicing polygamy while publicly preaching against it. Another incredible read is the “Nauvoo City anbd High Council Minutes” by Dinger which documents the fact that Hyrum Smith, under the direction of Joseph Smith, publicly read the revelation on polygamy to both the Nauvoo High Council and the Nauvoo City Council, declaring that Joseph had received the revelation and that those that did not live it would be damned.)

I past that little gem by Ehat on to an acquaintance years ago who has publicly staked his reputation on the belief that Joseph Smith never practiced polygamy, hoping he would have the integrity to seriously review the overwhelming mountain of documentation available and amend his position but alas, it is human nature to believe what one wants to believe, and not be bothered by the facts.

 DS Distances himself from DS

Despite the love-fest that Daymon Smith and Denver Snuffer have had with each other in the past, it appears as if Smith is distancing himself from Snuffer after the outrageous claims that Snuffer made during his last speech:

“I don’t have any words of wisdom concerning or specific to recent moves by you-know-who, but can only draw on what I’ve written already.  Just a few notions I happen to subscribe to, generally..”

Smith is the revelatory anthropologist who has authoritatively declared that the Bible is an uninspired and corrupt canon of scripture and that the original intent of the Book of Mormon had nothing to do with Biblical Christianity or the need for a restoration to Biblical Christianity. He opines that the dastardly duo of Rigdon and Parley Pratt high-jacked the true intent of the Book of Mormon by placing their evil restorationist views upon it.

All of this was divined by Smith despite the copious quotations from the King James Version of the Old and New Testament all throughout the Book of Mormon and the declaration in modern revelation that the Book of Mormon proves that the Bible is true!!!!

And gave him power from on high, by the means which were before prepared, to translate the Book of Mormon;
9  Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also;
10  Which was given by inspiration, and is confirmed to others by the ministering of angels, and is declared unto the world by them—
11  Proving to the world that the holy scriptures are true, and that God does inspire men and call them to his holy work in this age and generation, as well as in generations of old;
12  Thereby showing that he is the same God yesterday, today, and forever.  Amen.”

(Also problematic for Smith is the fact that when the LAW of the GOSPEL was introduced (Section 42) The Saints were told that the existing King James Version of the Bible was to be considered the law of the Church along with the other revealed scriptures until the Inspired Version was completed. Apparently the KJ Bible was pretty acceptable to God even if Daymon Smith finds them to be evil)

I felt honored that Daymon recently made reference to me in one of his papers even if his statement of the facts is perhaps, distorted just a little bit:

there is a blogger who insists Sidney Rigdon was some sort of quasi-divine figure, who shall return as the whirlwind we have reaped.

Actually my characterization of Rigdon is that he was one of the great orators and scriptural scholars of the time whose prophetic role as a scapegoat figure, eventually caused him to have the sins of latter day Israel place upon him and therefore, he did lots of crazy things. He perhaps even became a little crazy during the later part of his ministry and remainder of his life.

It is true, however, that I hold Rigdon in high regard. There are no less that 13 sections of the D&C where the Lord gives great assignments, responsibilities and even great honor, to Rigdon. Rigdon’s responsibilities extend into the 3rd watch…  hence, I do believe that he, Joseph, and others, will return in POWER at the appointed time to fulfill their missions (perhaps that is where the “quasi-divine” misunderstanding  comes into play. LOL

It is interesting that out of the 13 sections that address Rigdon, most characterizing him in a very positive way, Smith could only find one of significant importance to quote  in his thesis.. the one where the Lord chastises Rigdon. LOL It is a natural tendency to only see the evidence that supports our personal conclusions. ( know, I know, I probably suffer from this tendency as much as the next guy.) What is strange about Daymon Smith is that he quotes profusely from the D&C during his lectures even though he clearly does not believe most of the sections he quotes from based on the foundational claims he makes about his cultural based revisionism and reinterpretation of what the Book of Mormon is really supposed to be conveying.

Snuffer also appears to make veiled references to my posts. Perhaps some day I will document and respond to them.

It is interesting to me that many of the people that seem to despise me and detest my beliefs and my literal interpretation of scripture, seem to be avid readers of my blog.

Go figure.

September 21-22nd

Today and tomorrow are very special days. It is the time of year (Autumn Equinox) that Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith consecutively, about six or seven years in a row. At the end of that string of events, a major revelation was received, designating the seven shepherds that would gather out the elect, at the appointed place, in the 3rd watch. (A literal interpretation of the literal promises God has made about how Zion will be redeemed leaves very little to do for who would take it upon themselves to redeem Zion.)

  • September 1823 Moroni Visit
  • September 1824 Moroni Visit
  • September 1825 Moroni Visit
  • September 1826 Moroni Visit
  • September 1827 Moroni Visit and Plates Received
  • September 1828 Joseph sins but has Plates returned
  • September 1829?
  • September 1830 Revelation (Section 29) designating the Seven Elders that will return in the 3rd watch to gather the elect.

sevens 2

Interestingly, there is a seven year period between section 29, given in September of 1830, and September of 1837, when Joseph and Sidney fled Kirtland during the peak of the Kirtland apostasy. You will recall that the “drop dead” date for Zion to be redeemed, according to Section 64, was September 11th of 1836.

sevens 3(Adding another seven years to 1837 takes us pretty close to the martyrdom in 1844)

In addition to reoccurring events every seven years, it is remarkable how so many of the major events in the history of the restored church fall on ancient Jewish feast days. (This is no coincidence. As I have pointed out before, Mormons are Jews, they just don’t know it.)

If you have not read the papers by John Pratt and Lenae Hadley and others on this topic, you should take the time to do so.

The Golden Plates and the Feast of Trumpets

Joseph Smith’s Receipt of the Plates and the Israelite

Feast of Trumpets

Major LDS Events That Have Fallen on Hebrew Holy Days

The Rosh Hashanah-Sefer Mormon Connections

Enoch Calendar: Another Witness of the Restoration

The Restoration of the Priesthood Keys on Easter of 1836 Part One

The Restoration of the Priesthood Keys on Easter of 1836 Part Two

There are several dates within the month of September that have prophetic significance. In addition to the 21st and 22nd, the 11th is very significant, regarding section 64 and the redemption of Zion. Countless other significant events took place on the 11th of September, including, the mountain meadows massacre, the collapse of the towers on 9/11 of 2001.

Over the years I have noticed many interesting time sequences between major events that seem to be significant. Many of them match the prophetic time sequences in the Book of Daniel.

There are many events that seem to happen 3 1/2 years apart and others that happen seven years apart. The illustration below shows five major historical events that just happen to all take place in seven year increments.

seven 4Is it a coincidence that there was exactly four biblical generations between the rejection of the church with their dead in September of 1841 and the tumbling of the twin towers of Babylon in September of 2001?

I think that studying prophetic time sequences in the past can be helpful in studying prophetic time sequences in the future.

Those of you who have read about the amazing “Harbinger” prophecy in Isaiah by Jonathan  Cahn are no doubt aware that he just released another bombshell called “The Mystery of the Shemitah“. Shemitah has to do with the ancient seven year cycle that God commanded Israel to keep, but the Shemitah is was also pointing to and typological of, the prophetic events of the end times.

In the book, Kahn points out that many major historical events have taken place during Shemitah years.

He highlights the fact that 2001 when the twin towers came down, was a Shemitah year. He says that seven years later in 2008, when the stock market crashed was a Shemitah year. The fall of the towers and the fall of Wall Street both took place, seven years apart, during Shemitah years. And guess what… according to Kahn, the next Shemitah year begins this month within just days.

He cautions that God doesn’t always do something major during a Shemitah year, but he thinks we should be on the alert.

He also cautions that a major event is just as likely to happen at the end of this Shemitah, in September of 2015, as at the beginning, in September of 2014. In fact, September of 2015 is probably when something huge is going to happen, but since we know that God’s servants must return, possibly before a huge, global event occurs, we would be wise to be alert from here on out.


When the Harbinger and Shemitah research of Jonathan Cahn is viewed in conjunction with the research of Pastor Mark Biltz, (both of these guys claim to be are Messianic Jews) regarding the sequence of four blood moons that we are currently experiencing, it becomes obvious that we are knocking on the door of the return of God’s servants and the beginning of the Marvelous Work. [speaking of 2014 being a significant year, this is kind of interesting]

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Are you watching?


I am.

[BTW a new development with the Georgia Guidestones pointing to 2014]

The Rapture Takes Place in Nauvoo

November 19, 2013

It never fails to amaze me just how far away from Gods word we latter day saints have strayed. One of the most basic doctrines of the end times is the doctrine of the rapture and yet, Mormons seldom speak about it.

Indeed, many Mormons don’t believe it is a true doctrine. Here is a good example of a Mormon’s thinking on the subject.

“Do we believe in the popular idea that all or even some of the righteous souls on this earth will all be taken away… leaving the rest behind?  No…”

Even the folks over at FAIR, who should know better, have not yet received the memo on this most important issue and therefore remain hopelessly clueless:

“Modern revelation makes it clear that the saints will remain on the earth through the tribulation period until Christ’s coming”

For a brief summary of the doctrine please click here

One of the things I have failed to point out during my recent rampage regarding section 124 is that it reveals that the rapture is going to take place in Nauvoo! (and possibly other areas of Zion)

“And again, I will visit and soften their hearts, many of them for your good, that ye may find grace in their eyes, that they may come to the light of truth, and the Gentiles to the exaltation or lifting up of Zion.” (124:9)

This same “lifting up” is spoken of in the Book of Mormon:

And blessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my Zion at that day, for they shall have the gift and the power of the Holy Ghost; and if they endure unto the end they shall be lifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting kingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall publish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be.” (1 Nephi 13:37)

Unlike the Protestant belief that the righteous will be scattered all over the earth when the rapture takes place, LDS scripture informs us that the rapture will be a “gathered group” event, just like the rapture that took place with the city of Enoch.

The doctrine of the gathering is another doctrine the modern church has long since abandoned:

And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their  hearts. Wherefore the decree hath gone forth from the Father that they shall be gathered in unto one place upon the face of this land, to be prepare their hearts and be prepared in all things against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked.

Here is an amazing quote by Joseph Smith on the topic of the rapture that NEPT sent me years ago:

“..all will be raised to meet him [Christ] but the righteous will remain with him in the cloud whilst all the proud and all that do wickedly will have to return to the earth, and suffer his vengeance which he will take upon them, this is the second death..

Anyway, for those that want to gain a greater understanding of the Book of Revelation, I am providing the first three lectures on the topic given by Chuck Missler. One of the profound observations that he makes is that all of the scary stuff that is mentioned after chapter four in the Book of Revelation does not really apply to the righteous because they will be not be on the earth during those terrifying events, they will have been raptured up BEFORE any of those things happen.


One of the fascinating things he points out is that the Book of Revelation was written by John BEFORE the Gospel of John was written! As a missionary I used to point this out to critics that would quote Revelation 22:18 to prove that there should not be any further scripture after the New Testament, but I never knew how to document it.

Another interesting piece of trivia: He thinks 2nd John is a letter to Mary as per verse one!

Searching for Zarahemla

May 5, 2013

Back in the late 80’s or early 90’s I wrote an article titled “A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement“. It spoke about how the events contained in the Book of Mormon took place in North America and more specifically how they intersected with many of the sites of the LDS restoration movement.

I have previously blogged about how I sent the article to the folks that promote the heartland Book of Mormon Geography Model. Unsurprisingly, most LDS apologists continue to promote Central America as the lands of the Book of Mormon people.

I digitally posted the article on the LDSAnarchy blog about 4 1/2 years ago, in October of 08.

In the article I opined that many of the events that took place in Kirtland and relating to the Kirtland Temple were in fulfillment or partial fulfillment to some of the ancient prophecies of Daniel.

I also suggested that when Isaiah spoke of “Jerusalem” with regard to the end times, he was referring to the Jerusalem that would be located in North America, not the  Old World. Additionally, when latter day revelation mentions “Jerusalem” in section 109 and 124 it is cryptically referring to the Kirtland Ohio area, not the old world Jerusalem. (I am not referring to the “New Jerusalem” of end times prophecy, I am referring to “Jerusalem”)

Something I speculated in the article was that the city across the river from Nauvoo that the Lord named “Zarahemla” in section 125, was the same geographical location as the Zarahemla mentioned in the Book of Mormon.

1  WHAT is the will of the Lord concerning the saints in the Territory of Iowa?
2  Verily, thus saith the Lord, I say unto you, if those who call themselves by my name and are essaying to be my saints, if they will do my will and keep my commandments concerning them, let them gather themselves together unto the places which I shall appoint unto them by my servant Joseph, and build up cities unto my name, that they may be prepared for that which is in store for a time to come.
3  Let them build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it.

Enter Wayne May

Yesterday I dropped by the preparedness fair at UVC in Provo Utah. While speaking to Wayne May, one of the presenters, and the editor of the Ancient American Magazine, I asked him if he had ever considered the possibility that the city of Zarahemla mentioned in section 125 was in the same location as the ancient Book of Mormon city by the same name.

When I asked the question he smiled and pulled out a special edition of his magazine and showed me an article that told an interesting story.

Apparently, in October of 2010 Wayne was visiting some friends in Nauvoo. In the conversation the same question was posed. This led to the idea that, using descriptions provided by Joseph Smith and others in some historical texts, they go over to the other side of the river and  scout around to see if they could ascertain where the Zarahemla of section 125 may have been located. They also wanted to see if there were any signs of an ancient City and Temple.

While on this expedition, Wayne found an earth-berm that looked very similar to other Hopewell sites that he has discovered. This exciting discovery motivated them to utilize Google earth and do further research.


After finding the general area they believed the city to have been located in, they used ground penetrating radar to see if there were any detectable objects buried in the vicinity.

Believe it or not, the scan identifies a wood foundation buried five feet below the surface of the earth. The foundation is a rectangle shape of approximately 180 feet by 120 feet which is about the same approximate dimensions as three other previously identified Ohio Hopewell Temples that have been discovered as well as one ancient Hopewell Temple located in Iowa.


To make a long story short, Wayne and about six or seven other investors have located the owner of the property and made an offer .

They are hopeful that it will go through.

If it does, they will begin doing an archeological dig as soon as the deal closes.

Will this strengthen my mystical testimony of modern revelation and the Book of Mormon if the dig takes place and hard evidence is found to substantiate the Book of Mormon?

Of course not.

Testimony is not built on scientific verification.

“Cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh.”

Nevertheless, it will be fun to see what happens…..  😉

I’ll be watching

(BTW in the article I mention that I had heard that the indians in Ohio once referred to the “Jerusalem Trail” that went through Ohio and that there was once a “Jerusalem County” in Ohio but I could not find verification of either of those two facts. I have since come across this link http://www.knowyourkin.com/getperson.php?personID=I16391&tree=1 It appears to at least validate the fact that there was once a county in Ohio called Jerusalem. I cannot add this to the article footnotes since the anarchy blog does not let me edit articles)

A Tribute to the Great Counselors of the LDS Restoration

July 22, 2012

From time to time I highlight the life and pay a tribute to of one of the great men of the restoration movement.  Today I want to address the calling of “counselor” and also talk about the three great counselors of the restoration. Hopefully you are sitting down, because you will probably be appalled that I think so highly of one of the men I am about to spotlight.

The men shown above are three of the greatest and wisest men of the LDS restoration movement. They also had a few things in common

  1. Each of them sacrificed greatly for the kingdom, including their own reputations
  2. Each of them was called by direct revelation to be a counselor to Joseph Smith
  3. Joseph attempted to terminate each of their callings as his counselors (and was successful in two of the three situations)

Joseph Smiths desire to free himself from the counsel of all three of these men who were called by God to assist him provides an interesting pattern. (These are not the only men who served as counselors to Joseph Smith, simply the three I want to spotlight in this post)

The Prophet Joseph Smith was ordained as president of the high priesthood on 25 January 1832 (see History of the Church, 1:267), his counselors were not called until 8 March 1832 (see “Kirtland Revelation Book,” p. 10). This revelation was directed to one of those counselors, Jesse Gause, but it was applied to Frederick G. Williams when he was called to the Presidency to replace Gause on 8 March 1833 (see D&C 90 ; History of the Church, 1:329–30). March 18, 1833, is the date when the organizing and ordaining of the first First Presidency in this dispensation was completed (see History of the Church, 1:334).

Frederick will play a Major Role in the Marvelous Work

Section 90 informs us just how significant of a role Frederick will play in the Marvelous Work and a Wonder when he returns with Joseph and Sidney in the third watch.

And again, verily I say unto thy brethren, Sidney Rigdon and Frederick G. Williams, their sins are forgiven them also, and they are accounted as equal with thee in holding the keys of this last kingdom;

As also through your administration the keys of the school of the prophets, which I have commanded to be organized;

That thereby they may be perfected in their ministry for the salvation of Zion, and of the nations of Israel, and of the Gentiles, as many as will believe;

That through your [Joseph] administration they may receive the word, and through their [Sidney and Frederick] administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews.

And then cometh the day when the arm of the Lord shall be revealed in power in convincing the nations, the heathens nations, the house of Joseph, of the gospel of their salvation.

For it shall come to pass in that day, that every man shall hear the fulness of the gospel in his own tongue, and in his own language, through those who are ordained unto this power, by the administration of the Comforter, shed forth upon them for the revelation of Jesus Christ.

And now, verily I say unto you, I give unto you a commandment that you continue in the ministry and presidency.”

As you can see, when the Marvelous Work begins, it will continue seamlessly from the foundation that was already laid back in the 1820’s and 1830’s. Joseph’s ministry will be to receive the word of God while Sidney and Frederick will be responsible for the administration of taking the word that is received through Joseph to the ends of the earth.

Frederick donates his land for the Work in Kirtland

Fredrick was one of a few relatively well to do believers who provided his own land for the gathering of the saints in the Kirtland area who wanted to live the restored biblical principle of having all things in common (consecration).

On September 11, 1831 the Lord said:

I will not that my servant Frederick G. Williams should sell his farm, for I, the Lord, will to retain a strong hold in the land of Kirtland, for the space of five years, in the which I will not overthrow the wicked, that thereby I may save some.”

That farm was eventually used for the printing house, House of the Lord, and for homes for Joseph, Hyrum, Sidney, and others.

The Lord calls Frederick to be a counselor to Joseph
and provide land for receiving revelations

On January 6, 1833, in an unpublished revelation that Lord said:

Behold I Say unto you my Servant Frederick listen to the word of Jesus Christ your Lord and your Redeemer thou hast desired of me to know which would be the most worth unto you, behold blessed art tho[u] for this thing. Now I say unto you my Servant Joseph is called to do a great work and hath need that he may do the work of translation for the Salvation of Souls. Verily verily I say unto you thou art called to be a Councillor & Scribe unto my Servant Joseph. Let thy farm be consecrated for bringing forth of the revelations and thou shalt be blessed and lifted up at the Last day even so Amen.”

On March 18, 1833 Joseph ordained Sidney and Frederick “to be equal with him in holding the keys of the Kingdom and also the Presidency of the High Priesthood.

Joseph prophesies that Frederick will have an inheritance in Zion

The November 19, 1833 Joseph diary entry by Joseph Smithstated:

Brother Frederick is a man who <is one of those men> in whom I place the greatest confidence and trust for I have found him ever full of love and Brotherly kindness he is not a man of many words but is ever wining because of his constant mind he shall ever have place in my heart and is ever intitled to my confiden<ce> [*] He is perfectly honest and upright, and seeks with all his heart to magnify his presidency in the church of ch[r]ist, but fails in many instances, in consequence of a lack <want> of confidence in himself: God grant that he may overcome all evil: Blessed be brother Frederick, for he shall never want a friend; and his generation after him shall flourish. The Lord hath appointed him an inheritance upon the land of Zion. Yea, and his head shall blossom. <And he shall be> as an olive branch that is bowed down with fruit: even so; Amen.”

Frederick sees the temple in vision with Joseph and Sidney

“The plans for the Kirtland Temple were shown to the First Presidency of the Church—Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, and Frederick G. Williams—in a vision. Frederick G. Williams reported that the Lord told Joseph to gather with his counselors, and the Lord would show them how to build the temple (see D&C 95:14).

The three men knelt to pray, and they saw a vision of the temple. First they saw the outside, and then the building seemed to pass over them and they saw the inside. Frederick G. Williams said that when the Kirtland Temple was completed it looked exactly as it had in the vision. During the building of the temple someone tried to get Joseph Smith to change some of the design, but Joseph insisted that the temple be built just as it appeared in the vision.”

On March 27, 1836 at the dedication of the House of the Lord, sitting on the property that Frederick had given to the church, Frederick saw an angel enter through a window and sit down between himself and Joseph Sr. The angel remains through the prayer. According to George A. Smith, Frederick “bore testimony that the Savior, dressed in his vesture without seam, came into the stand and accepted of the dedication of the house, that he saw him, and gave a description of his clothing and all things pertaining to it.”

June 29, 1836 Joseph and Emma name their second Frederick Granger Williams Smith.

Frederick served in the First Presidency from 1833 to 1837.  He was a member of the committee appointed to publish the Doctrine and Covenants. He also bore witness along with Joseph Sidney and Oliver to the truthfulness of the doctrines contained in the Lectures on Faith which was canonized in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants (It was the “doctrine” portion of the Doctrine and Covenants)

He was eventually excommunicated illegally, in absentia. Church law requires a court to allow the accused person to be present, face their accusers and defend themselves.

Here are some statements recorded in the history of the church pertaining to the matter of terminating Frederick as a counselor:

November 7, 1837 at a “general assembly” of the church in Far West, Lyman Wight, Thomas B. Marsh, and James Emmett object to Frederick as a counselor in the First Presidency. Edward Partridge and David Whitmer speak on his behalf. Marsh reiterates his objection and high counselor Thomas Grover also objects. Frederick is “rejected” and at Sidney Rigdon’s nomination, Hyrum Smith is elected unanimously.”

Here are some statements recorded in the history of the church pertaining to the matter of being excommunicated in absentia as well as eventually being reinstated:

March 17, 1839 excommunicated in absentia with George M. Hinkle, Sampson Avard, W. W. Phelps, Thomas B. Marsh (h), John Corrill, and others. It appears they were charged with leaving the church “in the time of our perils, persecutions and dangers, and were acting against the interests of the Church.” Minutes of March 17, 1839 Quincy After March 17, arrives in Quincy, Illinois, which becomes his home.   Received back April 8, 1840 (Nauvoo) requests forgiveness from the church. Hyrum presents his case to the conference. Vote to receive him back into fellowship.”

It is my opinion that Frederick  is one of the truly great men and counselors of the restoration movement and he is going to return with others to complete their assignments.

What is the Calling of a Counselor?

Having given a little tribute to Frederick, I want to provide some context for the men who served as counselors followed by a tribute to William Law who, in my opinion, was another one of the truly great and inspired counselors of the restoration movement. (My tribute to brother Sidney as already been given)

I want to talk about a calling in the church that has been grossly misunderstood and corrupted.

It is the calling of “counselor”.

The 1828 Websters informs us that the definition of counselor is as follows:


1. Any person who gives advice; but properly one who is authorized by natural relationship, or by birth, office or profession, to advise another in regard to his future conduct and measures.

There are several people who were called by divine revelation to be a counselor to Joseph Smith regarding his responsibly to be a presiding elder and perhaps other callings.

In the modern church today, a counselor is someone who acts in a subordinate role.

Interestingly, that is not how it was during the early days of the restoration. It is not how it is supposed to be. Nor is it how it was intended to be.

Originally, the counselors to Joseph Smith were called to counsel him “in regard to his future conduct and measures” not to take assignments from him. Obviously, God would give assignments to these counselors via revelations, but in the personal relationship with Joseph Smith himself, these men were called to be his counselors largely because they were pious men who were usually older and wiser.

The following graphic showing three of the great men who were called to advise Joseph illustrates how God initially meant for the relationship to be with the counselors instructing and providing counsel to the one who presides on how to act in his calling.

This next graphic illustrates how the current modern church has changed the nature of this calling.

Again, most Latter day Saints have been indoctrinated to believe that the counselors to someone who presides are to act in a subordinate role to the President. It is currently believed in the modern corporate church that counselors are basically helpers to do what the President tells them to do.

That is not what the original and true role of a “Counselor” was when God first revealed the nature of the calling.

A counselor who was called by divine revelation in the restored church was a man who was typically more experienced, more knowledgeable and wiser that the “President” they provided counsel to.

In most cases the counselor was older, as in the cases of Jesse Gause who was 20 years older than Joseph, Frederick Williams who was 18 years older and Sidney Rigdon who was 12 years older.

One exception to the rule was William Law who as 4 years younger than Joseph, however, William was a very unusual person with vast experience and skills that he brought to the table.

This term “counselor” can be traced all the way back to King David who also had a Counselor by the name of Ahithophel.

The responsibility of the counselor in the restored church was to give Godly and doctrinally congruent counsel to the person who was called to preside.

A modern day analogy to this pattern would be that of the relationship between a CEO and President of a Corporation and that of the Board of Directors. Although the CEO/President is considered to be the head of the organization and makes the day to day decisions for the company, he still needs to answer to the members of the board and receive counsel and direction from them.

In a sense, God is the head of the board.

(Similarly, as a checks and balances feature of the Church of Christ, all members of the church might be compared to stockholders of the corporation which is why they must condone the major decisions of the president and must put their stamp of approval on the way he is carrying out the directives of God, via the law of common consent.)

Perhaps one of the most obvious scriptural proofs of the top-down relationship of the counselor to the person or people who preside, is found in section 112 when the Lord explained that the first Presidency of the Church was called to act as counselors to the quorum of the twelve.

Whosoever receiveth my word receiveth me, and whosoever receiveth me, receiveth those, the First Presidency, whom I have sent, whom I have made counselors for my name’s sake unto you [12 apostles].”  (112:20)

The fact that the First Presidency were commissioned by the Lord to be counselors to the 12 was not implying that Joseph and the other members of the First Presidency were called to be subservient to and to run around doing assignments given to them by the 12 apostles, hardly.

That passage was documenting that the First Presidency was to instruct and give counsel to the apostles and “advise [them].. in regard to [their].. future conduct and measures.

Modern revelation had established the fact that the 12 apostles were to act under the directions of the First Presidency-

“The Twelve are a Traveling Presiding High Council, to officiate in the name of the Lord, under the direction of the Presidency of the Church“, (107:23)

This is because the First Presidency was significantly wiser, more knowledgeable, more doctrinally astute, receiving greater revelation and enjoying the spiritual blessings of a higher office than the Twelve.

The First Presidency was to watch over and give guidance to the Twelve as their counselors.

A Counselor Gives Guidance to the President

The same was true when Sidney Rigdon was called to be a counselor to Joseph Smith. Sidney Rigdon was arguably the most able Bible scholar in the United States when he joined the Church. He was older and had much more experience in life and in running a ministry and a church organization than Joseph.

His calling, according to section 35, was to:

  • to write for [Joseph]” while doing the work of translation (since Joseph was not good at writing)
  • “..watch over him that his faith fail not..” since Joseph desperately needed someone to keep him on track and help him keep the faith. (modern revelation would ultimately offer no less than 5 revelations warning and prophesying about Joseph failing to abide in the Lord)
  • forsake him not”. Even though the time would come when others might need or choose to forsake Joseph, Sidney was given an unconditional commandment to never forsake him.  (this provides a possible explanation as to why Sidney stood by quietly when Joseph began preaching false doctrines but then became very vocally critical of Joseph after the martyrdom)

As you can see, Sidney’s role as a counselor was not that of a subordinate yes man. It was that of a wise, experienced sage, one who God had prepared and ordained to give Godly instruction and counsel to Joseph.

Sidney was to compensate for many of Joseph’s weaknesses and keep him on track.

In later revelations it was revealed that Sidney jointly held the keys of expounding the mysteries out of the scriptures and of holding the keys of the kingdom.

It was also revealed that another one of Sidney’s responsibilities was to use the Bible to prove the accuracy and consistency of the new revelations that Joseph was receiving.

All of this is helpful in understanding the true role of a counselor.

Corrupting the Calling of Counselor

It is not completely clear how and why the calling of counselor become corrupted. One reason appears to be that during the Nauvoo years, Joseph felt shackled by the counsel he was getting from time to time from his counselors.

Another issue is that when Joseph began teaching doctrines that conflicted with the original teaching of the Kirtland era, his counselor, William Law began to counsel Joseph to repent and eventually felt compelled to expose what Joseph was teaching and doing.

This resulted in Joseph excommunicating William Law in absentia without giving him the opportunity to face his accusers and defend himself.

After the martyrdom, the church rejected Joseph’s second counselor, Sidney Rigdon.

For this reason, the official history of the church was altered to minimize and marginalize the important role that both of these wise counselors were to play in the hierarchy of the church.

Lastly, Brigham Young, like Joseph, preferred to pretty much be in charge and to simply delegate responsibilities to counselors. People with dominant personalities hate accountability and they hate having to listen to advice that is contrary to what the dominate personality wants to do.

In part two of this series I will document some of the major things in the life of William Law and I will explain why I consider him to be one of the great, inspired counselors and among the greatest men in the LDS restoration movements.

The Google Apostasy Part 2 Does The Mormon Church Uses Paid Shills to Influence the Way People Think?

May 17, 2012

On Saturday, March 31, 2012 a blogger  by the name of Denver Snuffer claimed that the Mormon Church was using employees to post online responses using personas and anonymous identities with the intent to influence public opinion within church circles. Here are his comments below:

” The City Creek multi-billion dollar project has excited a lot of criticism. The result has been dismay by many faithful Latter-day Saints. Their anxiety over the project has become the subject of many conversations on the Internet.

To grapple with this outpouring of criticism and in some cases disgust, the church has paid employees and volunteers who post on-line responses using personas, or anonymous identities to beat back those who express concern. Many of the multiple personas are put up by the same church employee.”

Snuffer is a faithful member of the church and an attorney. He did not explain how he obtained this sensitive information however; it is difficult to believe that he just made it up.

[Editorial Note: Snuffer has since been excommunicated from the church for apostasy]

Although I found his accusations fascinating, that the LDS church was using paid shills to influence the thinking of members of the church, I didn’t really put much additional thought into it.

Recently however, I encountered a situation that has caused me to focus my attention on this issue.

In my last blog post I commented on the recent remarks of Elder Marlin K. Jensen at Utah State University and how the current “Google Apostasy” represents the greatest turbulence and crises of faith among Mormons since the Kirtland apostasy back in the 1830’s.

Jensen had acknowledged that many Mormons were experiencing a crisis of faith because Google and the internet was bringing to light some very perplexing and distressing doctrinal and historical issues pertaining to the LDS religion. Jensen then assured the audience he was speaking to, that the church was taking measures to deal with the situation.

In that post I mentioned that the church had hired an SEO expert to try and redirect people searching on the internet to neutral and positive websites instead of negative anti-Mormon websites.  I speculated that they were probably doing some online reputation management work as well.

In my blog I also mentioned that I am working on a paper that will provide a biblical profile of the calling of the Prophet Joseph Smith that will explain why he did all of the bizarre, contradictory things that he did. I claimed that my paper would provide a legitimate biblical/prophetic answer for every single disturbing issue that skeptics of Mormonism like to bring up. ( I had hoped to release the paper by April 6th but now it is looking like it will be closer to May 20th)

Within a very short period of time I had several visitors make comments… three of the visitors that made comments are the topic of this post.
The first commenter I want to speak about had a screen name of “Ted“.

Ted took issue with one of the critical comments that I made where I claimed that the current general authorities of the Mormon Church were not very knowledgeable about church history or doctrine.

He felt that the talks from the brethren are inspiring and that they do contain scriptural references. He then appeared to be in somewhat of an agreement with me that difficult issues should be addressed more adequately by the Church on their websites. Here is one of his comments:

I love Rough Stone Rolling, and would love more direct approaches to dealing with challenging issues on the Church websites“.

This passionate statement appeared to be agreeing in part with some of the things I had said on my post.

Nevertheless, the person who was presenting himself as a hard-hitting and passionate member of the church ( who loves controversial books on LDS church history) made the authoritarian observation that:

..what these men [the general authorities] speak is scripture

I will come back to Ted and his very calculated remarks in a minute but for now, let me just say that the IP address from which Ted’s comments came is

Within 5 minutes after Ted posted his remarks, a fellow by the screen name of Evan Valenatine made the following declaration:

I am glad that the church is putting in an effort to counteract the effects of these websites, and I hope that they do more.

I will also return to Evan in a minute but for now, please make note of the IP address that he was posting from:

I thought it was interesting that these two different people were coming from the same IP address.

Perhaps they live in the same home or apartments I thought to myself.

At this point my curiosity got the better of me so I did a reverse IP address search to see who owns that particular IP address.

Guess who owns it…

Well, we will get to that in a minute. The story gets better.

A few days later a person using the screen name of “Mark-e-Mark and the Funky Bunch” paid my blog post a visit quoting Heber C. Kimball and warning that the “very first step of apostasy commenced with losing confidence in the leaders of the church

He then lovingly counseled me to “not rely so much on the logical“.

faith is rarely logical” he assured me.

You will never guess what IP address he was posting from so I will simply tell you.

That’s right, he was posting from the same IP address as Ted and Evan.

Imagine that, Ted, Evan and Mark-E were all taking issue with me, sticking up for the modern corporate church and they were all posting from the same IP address, what a coincidence!

I had a doctrinal exchange with Mark-e-Mark, and told him why I felt he was putting his faith in the “arm of flesh“. He visited me again to make a rebuttal.

Following his rebuttal, he apparently began making comments on another controversial LDS blog using a different screen name. Then, he had another thought that he wanted to make on my post. In his rush to make the response on my blog, he forgot to change the screen name he had been using to make comments on a different controversial LDS related blog site.

The screen name he mistakenly used this time was “I love the Circus

Naturally, that screen name also came from

He then acknowledged that he had made a mistake in using the circus screen name and changed back to Mark-E-Mark..

In the spirit of mocking me and my screen name, Mark-E-Mark decided to create a unique screen name of “onewhoiswaiting” which would apparently be dedicated to making comments on my blog. Apparently, in anticipation of cyberstalking my future posts he decided to go to the trouble of creating a screen name that would be dedicated to countering the information on my future blog posts.

As you have probably already guessed, all of these people and comments that I have been speaking about were coming from the same IP address and according to the reverse search service that I used, that IP address is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

After doing a little further research, I believe I have identified exactly who one of the people is. I have reason to believe he is a full time employee of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. He was hired away from Microsoft and works in the LDS Church “user research” division.

Perhaps the user research division is the same division that Denver Snuffer was referring to.

I even know which arm of the church he works for and the general physical location of the building that houses their “user research” specialists.

The block it is on appears to be located on or  close to 21st South between 4th and 5th East in Salt Lake City Utah.

The map below shows an Arial view of the general location where their facility is located, according to the analytics provided by wordpress.

After realizing that Ted, Evan, Mark-E, and “I love the Circus” were all coming from the same IP address that is owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and that the people (or person)  posting comments appeared to be  employees of the Mormon Church, I wanted to give Mark-E Mark the opportunity to come clean and admit that he was a paid influencer working for the Mormon Church if in fact he was.

I made the following statement/question:

I am going to invite you to publicly acknowledge whether or not you are on the payroll of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

I think readers of this blog have a right to know if you are an independent influencer acting solely on your own, or if you are a paid influencer who is attempting to do damage control and retain tithe payers for the LDS Church who are troubled about disconcerting things they are finding out about church doctrine and history.

Here is his response:

I am just a normal guy. My goal is not to influence anyone. I do act independently and if my statements are of influence, then so be it. That is for your readers to decide. I am not [a] paid influencer “attempting to do damage control and retain tithe payers for the LDS Church”. Truth stands on it’s own.

There you have it… That was his response

It also occurred to me that perhaps these people were just rogue employees of the church who were making these posts from their employers IP (some during work hours, some late at might) without being directed to do so. So I emailed MarkE and the others and showed them this post before posting it, giving them the opportunity to respond and explain what their real motivation was and whether they were directed by their employer or not.

It has been over a week with no response.

I have been feeling pretty important and honored to realize that the user experience department of the LDS Church  may be among my very small group of blog followers. Members of the church should be aware that this may be an activity the church is investing in.

Are the brethren concerned about the information I have been blogging about?

If so, they must deem something that I am saying to be disruptive enough to do this types of activity.

Is there something they don’t want you to know?

Things I have been blogging about

It is actually difficult to know for sure what concerns them the most because I have written over 300 posts and articles on a large array of issues  during the last three years.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know the truth about the fact that the Marvelous Work is a future event that takes place in the  third watch.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know the truth about Kirtland and the Jerusalem Isaiah spoke about.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know the truth about what really happened at the special conference at the Morley Farm and the fact that there are actually three levels of priesthood.

Perhaps they don’t want the truth revealed about the true role of prophets and how God does use prophets to teach false doctrine and lead the unfaithful and ignorant astray.

Perhaps they don’t want people to understand that salvation in the highest kingdom is only obtained through the spiritual rebirth and baptism of fire which they cannot administer.

Perhaps they don’t want people to understand that the stone that Daniel saw rolling forth in power has nothing to do with the current Mormon Church.

Perhaps they don’t want it understood that after the true Church of Christ was restored and then fell into apostasy, the name of the condemned church was changed to the Church of the Latter day Saints and then eventually to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

Perhaps they don’t want people to realize that the church that came forth out of the wilderness of darkness, according to modern revelation, went back into the wilderness of darkness within a few years after the restoration.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know how to identify the seven signs of the only true church and to realize that those signs are vacant in the current Mormon church.

Perhaps they don’t want people to understand what ancient prophecy actually says about the ministry of Joseph Smith and about the atonement statute.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know the real truth about the succession doctrine and what really happened during the succession crisis.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know about why Joseph and Oliver kept the visitation of Christ and three angels at the Kirtland Temple and the related events contained in section 110 a secret from the saints.

Perhaps they don’t want people to know who Sidney Rigdon really is and why we have not seen the last of him

Perhaps they don’t want people to know the truth about section 132 and the spiritual wife doctrine

There are legitimate biblical and historical answers to every disturbing issue that skeptics bring up

The powers that be apparently don’t want people who are experiencing a crisis in faith to see the shocking, yet comforting and faith promoting  answers to all of the disturbing information out there about Joseph Smith and the LDS restoration movement. It appears they would prefer that people lose their faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to learn the truth about the modern corporate church.

My how the evolving leadership of the corporate church over the last 180 years has deviated from being focused on taking care of the poor and the cause of Zion, to building billion dollar shopping malls and encouraging shoppers to purchase $10,000 designer watches. It would appear as if they have become preoccupied with silencing the small voices like mine instead of listening to THE still small voice.

Naturally, I am curious to know who is over the  “paid employees and volunteers who post on-line responses using personas, or anonymous identities to beat back those who express concern.” if in fact Denver is correct.

In my next post I am going to provide a link to a synopsis of what actually happened during the 14 year public ministry of the prophet Joseph Smith.

In that synopsis I will provide a credible biblical explanation of what took place during the LDS restoration movement. In it, I am going to bring to light the disruptive information that the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter days Saints desperately don’t want to the membership of the church to know.

It will contain a response to all of the difficult questions being asked by skeptics and unbelievers.

[Related article that has since come out by the NYT “Some Mormons Search the Web and Find Doubt“]

.Click here for Google Apostasy Part 1

.Click here for Google Apostasy Part 3

Click here for Google Apostasy Part 4








“A shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaign…..  Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions[1] because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging[vague] character of the shill’s actions..”


The Google Apostasy Part 1

April 1, 2012

On January 18 of 2012, Church historian Elder Marlin K. Jensen attended a Q;A set up by Phil Barlow at Utah State University. He was asked the following question.

Has the church seen the effects of Google on membership? It seems like the people who I talk to about church history are people who find out and leave quickly. Is the church aware of that problem? What about the people who are already leaving in droves?”

The answer coming from Jensen is as follows:

“We are aware. Let me say this, I often get this question: “Do the Brethren really know?” They do. And I’m not speaking for me. I’m speaking for the fifteen men that are above me in the hierarchy in the church. The fifteen men really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues.

We do have another initiative that we have called, “Answers to Gospel Questions”. We are trying to figure out exactly what channels to deliver it in and exactly what format to put it in. But we want to have a place where people can go. We have hired someone that’s in charge of search engine optimization.

We realize that people get their information basically from Google. They don’t come to LDS.org. If they get there, it’s through Google. So, we are trying to create an offering that will address these issues and be available for the public at large and to the church leaders, because many of them don’t have answers either.

It can be very disappointing to church members. And, for people who are losing their faith, or who have lost it, we hope to regain to the church.” (See http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Mormon-Church_admits-that-the-Internet-is-causing-members-to-leave & http://simplemormonspectator.blogspot.com/ )

Those comments by Jensen reveal what everyone already knows. The internet has created a very serious problem for the Mormon Church which is causing lots of members to leave the church or become inactive.

Google provides a showcase for all of the incredibly embarrassing and disruptive information about difficult historical issues and doctrinal issues. It provides an amazingly simple and effective ability for common people to access sensitive information about LDS church history and doctrine.

It also promotes countless anti-Mormon articles and websites related to these sensitive issues. Interestingly, the church has hired a search engine optimization specialist to try to steer more people away from the anti-Mormon sites and direct them to LDS.org.

Having done some contract work for a very large SEO company and being somewhat familiar with the industry, I can tell you that there is an entire discipline within the SEO vertical that focuses on reputation management on the internet.

There are numerous tactics and tools (both white hat and black hat) that companies use to diffuse negative information on the internet. Here is an excerpt describing one of the most successful ways to push negative sites further down in the Google search rankings:

“…Find any potential damning material and watch it closely … but what you really want to find is positive or neutral content that might be lurking around page 3-4.  This content is golden, because we know that Google finds it at least somewhat relevant for the keyword you target. In our audits, we try to find a minimum of 20-30 pieces of Web real estate per keyword. This content could, with the help of a few links, be pushed to the front page – perhaps replacing negative content that appears after a crisis.”

(See the following articles http://www.seomoz.org/blog/reputation-management-seo-6-advanced-tactics  & http://www.pubcon.com/pubcon-speaker-tony-wright-proactive-seo-reputation-management-in-6-easy-steps-%E2%80%93-all-for-free )

You can be sure that if the church can spend over a BILLION dollars on a shopping mall, it has allocated a significant budget for doing reputation damage control on the internet.

My personal opinion is that even the millions of dollars that the church has been and will be spending on SEO and reputation damage control, they will not be very successful. There are too many latter day “William Laws” that are passionate about exposing what they feel is a terrible scam and they are flooding the internet with their spin. They can do SEO just like anyone else can.

Jensen acknowledged at the Utah State Q and A that many of the “church leaders” don’t have the answers either. Of course he was probably referring to bishops and stake presidents and people in virtually all leadership capacities below the 15 general authorities that sit in the highest apostolic leadership positions in the church. The unfortunate truth however is that even the 15 people that lead the church don’t have the answers to such questions.

In another interview with a S L Tribune reporter Jensen made the following statements:

“Never before have we had this information age, with social networking and bloggers publishing unvetted points of view,” Jensen said in an interview Monday. “The church is concerned about misinformation and distorted information, but we are doing better and trying harder to get our story told in an accurate way.”

The church “has made no effort to hide or obscure its history,” Jensen said, but some aspects — such as polygamy — “haven’t been emphasized often because they were not necessarily germane to what is taught at present.”

Can the LDS Church do better to explain its history, even to its own members? Sure, Jensen said. “Can we weave some of this into our seminaries, institutes and adult curriculum? I think we can, and efforts are under way to do that.”

The church has assigned a staffer to create “a strategy to get church history onto the Web,” he said. “We are also working on an initiative to answer some of these more pressing questions.”

Late last year, the church’s publishing arm, Deseret Book, put out No Weapon Shall Prosper: New Light on Sensitive Issues to address some of the hot-button issues of Mormon history and doctrine, offering members ways to answer critics.

To read more about the interview see http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53408134-78/church-mormon-lds-faith.html.csp#.TydqcAb_Geo.mailto

If the statements by Jensen are accurate, the Church is currently putting together some quasi-official responses to the most disturbing issues that are continually being raised on the internet.

If they do so, this will be a landmark event. The church has never really responded to most of these issues in any kind of church sponsored platform. Of course these answers are not likely to come directly from any of the 15 apostolic leaders.

First of all, they don’t have any credible answers. Most of them are quite ignorant and naive when it comes to the deeper issues of doctrine and history. Most of them just grew up within the church and were indoctrinated like the rest of us. Because they each exemplified strong leadership ability within the church, unquestioning loyalty to the church, and also became successful in law or medicine, education or business, etc. they were deemed worthy to call to the higher leadership positions.

The last GA to be be fairly well adept in the scriptures was McConkie. Now there is not strong scholar of the scriptures among the 15. As a rule, the brethren try to stay away from debate, contention and controversy regarding sensitive doctrinal and historical issues. None of them are really qualified to get into a biblical debate with a seasoned biblical scholar.

My guess is that the church is calling upon the best and brightest minds within LDS apologetics to try to craft credible responses to these very difficult questions.

Those LDS scholars at FARMS and FAIR make for the best respondents to criticism because they can run interference for the brethren.

They can attempt to defend the church without actually having the official stamp of authority on what they say. Hence, when they say something that turns out to be wrong or embarrassingly lame, their statements are easily discounted as the opinion of a lay member. (one of the latest examples of a really embarrassingly lame defense is the recent paper from a FARMS scholar who tried to justify why the multi-BILLION dollar expenditure of a shopping mall was a better expenditure than feeding the poor, see http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_church_integrity/City_Creek_Center_Mall_in_Salt_Lake_City)

The problem with FARMS as I see it, is that their allegiance is to the brethren instead of Christ.

They are committed to defending the modern corporate church as an institution instead of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If FARMS was dedicated to defending biblical Christianity and the truth behind the LDS restoration movement, they would applaud the church whenever they are conforming to the gospel and speak honestly and frankly about the problems whenever the brethren and the church in general it is acting contrary to the gospel and the laws of God as they are laid out in the scriptures.

Getting back to Jensen, it is interesting to note that in January of 2012, during the same month that he visited USU, Elder Jensen was released as the Church historian. (See http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700215000/Elder-Snow-appointed-as-new-LDS-Church-Historian.html )

Interestingly, the following statement is found on the mormonthink.org website:

The LDS organization FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research) is making an organized effort to ensure that faith-promoting comments about the LDS church will drown out all other comments that are critical of the LDS church, regardless of whether or not they are true.”

The MormonThink website makes the following declaration about their mission-

Mormonthink.com is a site produced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who are interested in the historical accuracy of our church and how it is being taught to its members and portrayed in the media.

There is a lot of misinformation on the LDS church that is presented by both critics and defenders of the faith – particularly on the Internet. We present both sides fairly and let the reader decide.”

That statement is really quite disingenuous. The people behind that site do not represent both sides of the issue fairly. Their only agenda is to destroy people’s faith in God and Mormonism. It is beyond their capacity to comprehend that the original restoration was true and then the church eventually fell into apostasy.

I know this about MormonThink from personal experience because last year I sent them an email telling them briefly about the three watches doctrine and the atonement statute and explaining to them that there is a profound biblical explanation for all of the bizarre things that happened during the public ministry of the prophet Joseph Smith.

All I was asking for was a short blurb and a link to the information that documents these doctrines on my two blogs. Needless to say, they did not respond.

They are not looking for truth nor do they want to provide a balanced and fair listing of sites that provide various view points. They simply have a vendetta against the church and they are content to destroy faith in God, Mormonism and the LDS restoration movement in their attempt.

Recently I got an email from the owners of the MormonThink website providing the following link.


They asked me to send it to everyone I know and help it to go viral. The link is to a video describing 10 of the major reasons that people leave the church. While I have no desire to promote it and help it go viral, I am not afraid to mention it in this post and address the issued contained in it.

I am not afraid of the points of contention that they are high-lighting because the scriptures provide the truth about what really happened and they provide a credible response to every challenging question that the anti-Mormons can come up with.

1.      Faulty Translations of the Book of Abraham

2.      22 year delay in telling the First Vision story- conflicting versions of it.

3.      Translation process of the Book of Mormon by gazing at a stone in a hat without the plates physically present.

4.      No archeological or other scientific support for the Book of Mormon including DNA, literal quotes from the King James version of the Bible, etc.

5.      Questionable authorship of the Book of Mormon

6.      Blacks and the Priesthood

7.      Kinderhook Plates

8.      Polygamy

9.      Questionable witnesses of the Book of Mormon

10.  Temple Ceremony taken from Masons

Frankly, the above concerns are among the easier ones to address in my humble opinion.

I would point out that there are numerous other doctrinal issues that should be noted as well in my view.

Many of the more disturbing inconsistencies about the history of the church really have to do with the changing of the original doctrines that were taught during the first seven years in Kirtland but then altered during the Nauvoo years or during Brigham Youngs administration after the Saints fled to Utah.

Here are just a few of the issues that I would highlight out of context if I wanted to destroy peoples testimonies:

  1. Changing several of the revelations in the Book of Commandments when the D&C was published
  2. Changing the doctrine that God is an unchangeable God who is from everlasting to everlasting (pointing out that the doctrines taught in the King Follett sermon categorically contradicts Lectures on Faith)
  3. The false claim that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is the same church that was restored in 1830 which in fact the scriptures and the history of the church clearly document that it did not even exist when the “Church of Christ” was restored in 1829-1830.
  4. The false claim that the restoration of the church represented the rolling forth of the kingdom that Daniel saw, destroying the kingdoms of the world.
  5. The false claim that the church has the fulness of the gospel when in fact it does not have the power and fruits clearly associated with the fulness of the gospel.
  6. The false claims that the church, kingdom and priesthoods would never be taken from the earth again to be restored at a future time.
  7. The false claim that the dispensation of the fullness of times was ushered in when the scriptures and history of the church clearly state that it wasn’t.

The list of doctrinal discrepancies provided above could be much longer if I wanted to take the time. In a paper I have been working on I have identified 14 stumbling blocks contained within the Lectures on Faith which are contradicted by modern doctrines taught in the church

Another research project that I did included 20 major doctrines that were changed by the modern church.

The point is that there are many disturbing doctrinal issues about the modern corporate church, but that does not mean that the original restoration of the true church was not authentic, it only means that the church went into apostasy as is clearly prophesied in both the Bible and Book of Mormon.

That is the sad thing about all of the anti-Mormon propaganda flooding the internet, even though much of the disturbing information is true, it is being presented out of context, without the biblical explanation for why these things happened.

It is being used to destroy faith in Jesus Christ and his gospel instead of acknowledging that after the truth was restored to the earth, corrupt men took control of the church organization and have created an abomination that the world is now laughing at.

Every single one of the above issues in both of the lists and countless other apparent discrepancies can all be answered from the scriptures and the un-sanitized history of the restoration movement.

A few weeks ago I got the following email from a Russian convert who calls himself Jim-

Hi, Watcher…

I just finished listening to the last episode on mormonstories 324-326: Grant Palmer Returns to Discuss Sexual Allegations Against Joseph Smith, William and Jane Law, and His Resignation.

Were it not for the scapegoat doctrine (SGD)that I’ve learned about recently, my reaction to this podcast would be a usual one – “I’m not knowledgeable enough to come to any conclusion on this matter, I’m gonna shelve it for now”, never to come back to it again.

With the SGD I pretty much can handle the charges against Joseph Smith of seducing young girls, ordering to kill Boggs, ordering to destroy printing press, ordering to kill William Law and even threatening his own wife with death.

As I was listening to the podcast, I sensed desperation in John Delin’s voice “What was Joseph doing?” – to that effect.

Coupled with John’s own admission that there’s been too much negative content on his podcast recently and his invitation to his show for any apologists who could show a different angle of what’s been talked about, I think it’s prime time for you to step in and restore the true understanding.

Would you be comfortable if I went ahead and solicited John Delhin to get in touch with you on this email to invite you to his show (over Skype, naturally)?

Kind regards,


Here is my response to Jim-

“Hi Jim

I do listen to Mormon Stories from time to time. In fact, I recently listened to the Snuffer interview and also the McLay interview.

John Dehlin is a magnificent interviewer and he has done a tremendous job with the Mormon Stories theme.

Your suggestion is an intriguing one. If I was approached by John or one of his connections I suppose I would need to take the idea seriously however my guess is that they are looking for higher profile people than me.

Also the scapegoat doctrine is extremely doctrinally intensive and would probably be geared for believers who still find the scriptures to be credible and pertinent in their religious lives… it seems to me that John and much of his audience have long since let go of the scriptures and the LDS restoration movement as a guiding light in their lives.

John seems to be focusing on how to deal with the cultural dilemma he faces that has been caused by the false traditions of his fathers.

Nevertheless, it would be a wonderful opportunity to see if the topic could be presented in such a way as to reignite faith in some of the disaffected people in the listening audience and show them how to reconcile the many “apparent discrepancies” of the LDS restoration that they have been conflicted with.

I thank you for the suggestion. It is worth pondering.

I hope the Lord is blessing you and yours and that all is going well for you.

Thanks for dropping by


I am not convinced that MormonStories is the appropriate audience and format to rebuff all of the anti-Mormon propaganda by presenting the true context of these events as provided by the Bible and the doctrine of three watches and the atonement statute.

Nevertheless, Jim has got me thinking about the opportunity that might come up in the future to present these ideas. Many of you who understand and believe in the truths provided by the standard works may also have the opportunity to testify of the truth some day.

What an amazing challenge it would be to present these truths to skeptics and people who have lost or are in the process of losing their faith in God and in the LDS restoration. I believe there are lots of members and ex-members of the church that are suffering from and industrial strength case of cognitive dissonance. It would be nice to be able to present additional information to them.

How in the world would I condense the information that I have now provided in my two blogs into a short one or two hour presentation? How could I take the information provided in about two hundred posts and articles into an understandable summary?

I am currently in the process of undertaking such an ominous challenge and hope to be providing this summary or at least one installment of it on this blog before April 6th.

Several of you have expressed over the years a similar statement to Jim’s, expressing the fact that the three watches doctrine and the Atonement Statute have helped you maintain your faith in God and his scriptures and the LDS restoration despite the barrage of negative information that permeates the internet.

I am open to any suggestions that any of you may have on how to present these ideas.

If you recall the particular scripture or event in the history of the church that was instrumental in your “ah ha!” moment when the scales of darkness began to fall off and it all began to make sense to you, please email me and share it.


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Are You Sure You Are A Gentile? Part Two

November 13, 2010

Alternate Voices

Back in 1989 Dallin H. Oaks gave a talk entitled “Alternate Voices,” (Ensign, May 1989, 27)

In it he warned the members of the church to beware of those who speak about gospel topics who do not have the authority to do so.

“My remarks will refer to those voices that speak of God, of his commandments, and of the doctrines, ordinances, and practices of his church. Some of those who speak on these subjects have been called and given divine authority to do so. Others, whom I choose to call alternate voices, speak on these subjects without calling or authority.”

Of course the main purpose of the talk was to do damage control since Sunstone and other symposiums and publications were raising controversial issues and waking people up about church history and the original gospel taught in the early church history and in the scriptures.

Some issues were being raised by intellectuals from academia while others were being raised by LDS fundamentalists and renegade historians.

Since that time I am happy to observe that there have been many new alternate voices that have educated Mormons and challenged them to search church history and the scriptures.

I think that agency is very important and I think those that have inquiring minds have a right to seek out additional information and to share their views of history and the gospel with others.

The internet has changed the world and it has certainly changed the world of Mormonism.

Information is being rediscovered and disseminated at a rapid pace and it is creating indigestion for a lot people in high places.

There are numerous bloggers out there that I enjoy reading from time to time that do a great job of exposing the apostasy of the latter day church.

It seems like more and more of these types of blogs are popping up all the time.

I believe this is a sign of the times.

There is a lot of good that comes out of these types of blogs and there is a lot of bad as well.

More and more people are waking up to the fact that all in not well in Zion.

That is good.

Most of these alternate voices focus on the PROBLEM (apostasy of the latter day church) and only talk about the obvious signs that the church is in apostasy, and do not reveal the SOLUTION (how the redemption of the latter day church and the establishment of Zion is going to take place).

Most of these alternate voices do not discuss how the Lord is going to bring the believing gentiles out of apostasy and redeem Zion. Some of them still assume the church still holds all of the keys Joseph Smith held despite the countless problems that are discussed.

Many of these sites end up leaving their readers in a state of confusion and despair because they only harp on the awful state that we are in.

Often times the result of these blogs on the readers is the loss of testimony in the gospel, the latter day work, the calling of Joseph Smith, and in Gods word.

Many of these sites point their readers down what the Book of Mormon refers to as forbidden paths by promoting false doctrines, rather than hanging on to the iron rod.

The problem, in my opinion with only harping on the apostasy is that even though it gives many readers an “ah hah” moment and helps them wake up and understand the insanity being experienced in the corporate church, it leaves many readers in a state of confusion and anger and despair regarding the state of Gods people and their own salvation.

This makes lots of people ripe for entering into forbidden paths.

But it is all good.

Everyone with a voice has a calling.

For some it is to spread a little light and ultimately point people on the right path.

For others it is to spread a little light and ultimately point people into a forbidden path.

It is all part of the program, those who are the elect will ultimately make it through the maze, they will know the voice of God’s servants when the Marvelous Work  begins.

In addition to those who blog about the apostasy, there are those at the other extreme who continue the myth that leaders and members of the restored church continue to have the heavens opened and enjoy direct communion with God and receive the second comforter despite the fact that we as a individuals and collectively as a people have been rejected as a church and have failed to keep the law of the gospel, have not sacrificed all things, (which is required before one can receive their calling and election), and we no longer have the keys of the kingdom on the earth.

Joseph Smith taught that a man cannot have his calling and election, or the second comforter until AFTER they have been thoroughly tested-

When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints.

What does it mean to be thoroughly tested?

According to Lectures on faith, it means you have to sacrifice all things-

A religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation; for, from the first existence of man, the faith necessary unto the enjoyment of life and salvation never could be obtained without the sacrifice of all earthly things” (Lectures on Faith [1985], 69).

There is no bypassing the system. You cannot have your calling and election made sure at this time on the earth without doing what all of the great prophets have done. You must consecrate and sacrifice all things.

Those of us living during these times of hidden darkness kid ourselves if we assume that we have sacrificed all things for the Lord or even come close to making the  sacrifices that some of the early saints of the restoration movement have made.

I believe the people of this generation who think they have made great sacrifices for the Lord deceive themselves. I am skeptical that there are members of the latter day church that have sacrificed all things and made their calling and election sure.

Indeed, if there are such people then indeed the many evidences I have provided of the last restoration of the gospel would be invalid since there would clearly be know need for a gospel restoration if people are still getting their calling and election made sure.

We as a people have miserably failed to live consecration.

If someone in this day in age of our generation is claiming to have had their calling and election made sure and is now claiming that they are receiving the second comforter, I believe they are either deceived or they are intentionally deceiving others. Most of the alternate voice that come along making these claims are pretty easy to spot by some of the false doctrines they teach.

Even if they have not directly made that claim and have been misunderstood by their followers but they knowingly allow their followers to continue thinking that they have had their calling and election made sure, their motives are suspect and they are dangerous people in my opinion. I am very skeptical of those kinds of people.

Nevertheless, they have an important calling, to weed out those who don’t know the voice of the Master.

Along the same lines, although Presidents of the Church from Brigham Young to the present time have clearly not been claiming to be parting the veil and communicating directly with God, but the fact that some of them have knowing allowed the gullible among the saints to assume they continuously communed directly with God, is, in my opinion, a very serious sin of omission. I don’t think God condones this practice.

The doctrine of the Three Watches exposes the fact that we live in deceptive times when the fulness of the gospel appears to be on the earth to those who have not been weened from the breast in their gospel study. The scriptures refer to this time that we are living in as a time of “hidden darkness”

The Book of Mormon explains that after the fulness of the gospel is taken from the Gentiles, the house of Israel simply comes to a knowledge of the fulness of the gospel, but do not receive the fulness.

If indeed we do not currently have the fulness of the gospel, how can people personally receive of the fulness of the gifts of God?

Although we live in times of darkness, we are deluded into thinking we live in times of great light. Many of us rationalize that the fulness of the gospel is still on the earth even though virtually all of the gifts of the spirit and the baptism of fire is never truly being experienced by anyone.

Obviously, since I feel passionate about this topic I feel personally responsible with regard to the sobering fact that I and others have been trying to explain this doctrine with very little noticeable success.

I have pondered long and hard about why I and a few others have been ineffectual in teaching the third watch doctrine.

Although I concede that I have probably not done a very good job, I have come to the conclusion that the issue is much deeper than my shortcomings in articulating this doctrine.

I am not overly concerned however because the Lord tells us he can do his own work.

The Gentiles are Destined to Fail Virus

Another outgrowth of this situation is that many of the alternate voices who are warning about the latter day apostasy seem to have turned against the latter day gentiles.

They interpret the scriptures with a huge bias against the role of the gentiles and against the eventual outcome of the gentiles.

It is becoming more common to hear certain groups of people make disparaging remarks about the role and outcome of the gentiles in the last days.

Categorical statements to the effect that “we gentiles are in big trouble”, and “the gentiles will reject the fullness of the gospel” and “the Lord will raise up another people since the the gentiles will reject the fullness of the gospel”, etc. seem to keep popping up with frequent regularity.

Related to this phenomenon is their embracing of the Book of Mormon while rejecting modern revelation… or at least, having a clear preference to the Book of Mormon over modern revelation whenever they appear to differ on doctrinal issues.

One of the common signs of this infectious attitude is that many of these bloggers spend most of their time reading and quoting from the Book of Mormon almost exclusively instead of including and giving preference to the modern revelations directed at the latter day gentiles.

In fact, they often seem to hold the modern revelations in contempt because of their inability to reconcile several of the apparent discrepancies between the D&C and the Book of Mormon depictions of the gospel and the church.

Any time protocol or doctrine seems to differ a little between that which is contained in the Book of Mormon and modern revelation, they seem to default to the Book of Mormon as their guide.

Again, although this virus sends people on forbidden paths, it is all good. It all leads to the eventual separation that takes place when the Marvelous Work takes place.

David Whitmer- The Poster Child for the Gentiles

I was reading a recent blog in which the author was emphasizing that those ordained by Christ in 3rd Nephi with priesthood power were called disciples instead of apostles.

He then deemed it important to acknowledge that David Whitmer questioned whether the office of apostle should ever have been restored..

Of course the blogger did not come out and blatantly commit himself on the issue one way or the other, but the fact that he referenced Whitmer and couched his remarks the way he did, it was obvious how he felt.

He is typical of those that have been inflicted with the “Gentiles are Destined to Fail Virus”.

He has begun to question many things that took place in the initial establishment of the church.

He noted that the 12 who were chosen in 3rd Nephi were consistently referred to as “disciples” and claimed that there isn’t a single apostle in the Book of Mormon record.

Actually the Book of Mormon does in fact acknowledge the office of apostle and reveals the fact that the 12 in Jerusalem will return in the 3rd watch.

I suppose what he really must have meant, is that there is not a single person who was called to the office of apostle when Christ visited the Nephites.

It is indeed significant that the Book of Mormon makes the distinction between the calling of the 12 disciples vs the calling of 12 apostles.

Obviously, the 12 apostles in Jerusalem had been commissioned to take the gospel to the entire world while the disciples in the Book of Mormon appear to be somewhat more directed toward serving the descendants of Lehi.

Additionally, the 12 apostles had been commissioned to pass their apostolic administrative keys of the kingdom to the gentiles, not the Nephites.

As we have discussed in several posts, the gentiles have been given the administrative responsibility over all of the tribes of Israel.

This is why Joseph Smith and his associates who have been “identified with the gentiles” (D&C 109:60) were given the keys of the kingdom and the mandate to take the gospel to the whole world.

This is why remnants of Israel are carried on the shoulders of the gentiles in the last days.

This is why the Book of Mormon points out that the gentiles have care for the house of Israel.

And now behold, this I speak unto their seed, and also to the Gentiles who have care for the house of Israel, that realize and know from whence their blessings come.” Morm. 5: 10

This is why the two administrative gifts of the spirit are given to the gentiles but withheld from the House of Israel.

As you can see, it is the gentiles and not the House of Israel that have been given the spiritual gifts of understanding the differences of administration and to know the diversities of operations and whether they be of God.

The implication that the restored church should not have modern apostles based on the fact that the Book of Mormon 12 were called disciples is shaky at best.

To further establish the point via the words of David WHitmer is, simply ridiculous.

I have noticed that it has become increasingly fashionable to quote from David Whitmer among some of those who are waking up to the problems in the latter day church and digging into history.

I love and admire David Whitmer as much as the next guy and I quote from him from time to time to illustrate what the early gentiles were going through and thinking, but I have challenged much of the false doctrine he taught after he became disaffected from Joseph Smith and the church.

I consider his teachings after he left the church to be less than credible. I do not consider them to be a good reason for throwing out the modern day calling of apostles.

David Whitmer wrote an amazing diatribe entitled “An address to Believers in the Book of Mormon” which is very fascinating.

In it he throws out the baby with the bathwater by denying virtually everything that Joseph Smith was called to do except for the translation of the Book of Mormon.

I believe all serious students of the restoration should read it.

However, before you read it, you should have a little historical context so that they can see the errors in the things he taught.

Please note that he did not publish this thesis until 1887 many many years after he had humiliated himself by personally trying to start his own church two separate times.

After his falling out with Joseph Smith, and eventually, many years after the martyrdom, David Whitmer deduced that Joseph had been deceived and that he had never been commissioned to restore the church and priesthoods.

I want to spend a little time focusing on Whitmer because understanding his plight contains the key to unlocking some incredible information regarding some prophesies about the gentiles.

Whitmer must have felt a burden and perhaps some guilt knowing that he would be accountable before God for his testimony of the Book of Mormon and, in later years, he must have felt awful about how flaky his life looked to the world with the breaking up of the restored church and his own two failures in starting his own church.

It was in the above mentioned document that David Whitmer taught that God never commissioned Joseph Smith to restore the office of apostle or the office of High Priest, or any priesthood at all..

He even claims that Joseph was never commissioned to restore the church.

The Second Great Work

It is easy to see how Brother Whitmer arrived at some of his conclusions. After all, he knew that the Book of Mormon was true, but he participated in a disastrous attempt to organize Gods kingdom and establish Zion. He had been the president of the church in Zion during that failed attempt.

As he looked at the many failures of the restoration movement and all of the splinter groups that sprang forth from the cause he had been involved in, it was obvious to him that all of them had taken forbidden paths.

He must have felt extreme pressure to stand faithful as a witness of the Book of Mormon despite the failure of the saints to live up to the callings and commandments in modern revelation.

Possibly the only explanation he could arrive at was that Joseph had simply been deceived and gotten ahead of himself.

Whitmer was quite aware of many of the third watch references in the Book of Mormon. It appears that he understood that the Marvelous Work was to be a future event because he taught that there was going to be A SECOND GREAT WORK like the one Joseph did.

That would be another reason for his deduction that Joseph got ahead of himself in doing some of the things he did.

Here is what Whitmer said about the future work-

The following excerpts are taken from an interview with David Whitmer.
It was published in the Deseret News on August 16 1878;

Q- When will the temple be built? (referring to Jackson County Temple)
A- Right after the great tribulation is over.

Q- What do you mean by that?
A- A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. (first civil
war) It will be a smashing up of this nation, about which time the SECOND GREAT WORK has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of the sealed plates, and peace all over.”

One has to give him credit for understanding that there is to be one more last great work.

Few Latter day Saints understand that!

Nevertheless, Whitmer’s mind had become darkened and he and his fellow gentiles rejected the fullness that was being offered during the Kirtland years.

Those who embrace the false doctrines that Whitmer taught as a credible light in understanding the events of the LDS restoration movement would do well to remember that he not only rejected the restoration of the office of apostle, he rejected the restoration of the Melchizedek priesthood and the calling of High Priest.

Now then, why do I take issue with these beliefs taught by David Whitmer?

To be continued…