The Vexing of Ephraim- Part One

October 28, 2015

Ephraim Shall no Longer Envy Judah
Judah shall no longer Vex Ephraim

In this series, I want to address the fascinating and prophetic tribal enmity that is taking place within the church right now. There have been and will continue to be numerous scenarios where Bishops and Stake Presidents are passing judgment on members of the church that are asking difficult questions and finding fault with those in leadership positions.

In some cases, disciplinary councils are held. In others, people are choosing to simply resign their membership under the duress created by  people in high position and other ward members, or the duress of not being able to keep silent while false teachings are being taught and false truth claims are being made.

This amazing dynamic that is being experienced by thousands of members and ex-members of the church, is an historic and prophetic enmity that has been taking place, on and off, for thousands of years. It initially emerged way back when the Kingdom of Israel split into two separate tribal kingdoms.

The resolving of this tribal enmity that I am speaking of is mentioned in Isaiah 11 and 2nd Nephi 21

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

The envy of Ephraim also shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

According to Isaiah, in the end times, when an ensign will be established for the nations and the final gathering takes place, [the descendants of ] Ephraim will no longer envy [the descendants of] Judah and [the descendants of ] Judah will no longer vex [the descendants of] Ephraim.

The enmity between Judah and Ephraim appears to have begun when ten of the tribes of Israel revolted against the leadership of Solomon’s successor Rehoboam, the king of Israel from the tribe of Judah.

They rebelled primarily because of the heavy Burden of taxation which King Rehoboam put upon the people.

The dissenting ten tribes crowned an Ephraimite named Jeroboam to be their king. They became known as the Northern Kingdom while the Kingdom of Judah became known as the Southern Kingdom.

The crowning of an Ephraimite to be the king over the dissenting ten tribes is not without its prophetic and historic foundations. Recall that Ephraim’s father Joseph had two dreams that he shared with his brothers and father, informing them that he would one day rule over them.

His dreams also had a prophetic precursor to them in the form of Joseph’s patriarchal blessing that foretold that the “Shepherd, the Stone of Israel” would descend from Joseph and that Joseph’s birthright has “excelled the blessings of my ancestors..” and “..shall be on the head of Joseph. And on the crown of the head of him who was separate from his brothers”. Modern revelation would also make note of “the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim and his fellows” during the wrapping up scenes of the last generation. (D&C 133:34)

The inference of Joseph being crowned and having blessings that exceeded those of his brothers seemed in conflict with the previous blessing given to Judah in which Judah was promised that “you are he whom your bothers shall praise.. as a lion.. the scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet… to him shall be the obedience of the people” The modern corporate church is filled with descendants from the ancient kingdom of Judah who have risen into high position in the church and are being praised. Clearly, Ephraim is envious.

Herein were the foundations being laid in ancient times, for the friction that would be experienced between Judah and Joseph/Ephraim for thousands of years.

Enmity between Joseph and Judah

Fast forward thousands of years and the prophetic narrative is taking place in the LDS Church to this very day. In previous posts we have already addressed the literal fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy in 3 Nephi 16 wherein the knowledge of the fullness of the gospel was to be taken from the Gentiles to, among others, the “House of Israel” including the “dispersed of Judah”.

This would unite Judah with the Ephraimite/Gentile church in the latter days. This global missionary endeavor began during the Nauvoo era of LDS church history. The taking of the gospel in the latter days first to the Gentile (Ephraim) and then to the Jew, including Judah had been repeatedly foretold in modern revelation from the beginning of the LDS restoration;

“And now, behold, there are others who are called to declare my gospel, both unto Gentile and unto Jew;Yea, even twelve; and the Twelve shall be my disciples, and they shall take upon them my name; and the Twelve are they who shall desire to take upon them my name with full purpose of heart.” D&C 18:26-27


Wherefore it behooveth me that he should be ordained by you, Oliver Cowdery mine apostle;This being an ordinance unto you, that you are an elder under his hand, he being the first unto you, that you might be an elder unto this church of Christ, bearing my name—And the first preacher of this church unto the church, and before the world, yea, before the Gentiles; yea, and thus saith the Lord God, lo, lo!  to the Jews also.  Amen. D&C 21:10-12


That thereby they may be perfected in their ministry for the salvation of Zion, and of the nations of Israel, and of the Gentiles, as many as will believe;That through your administration they may receive the word, and through their administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews.” D&C 90:8-9


Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children;  And again, the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews; lest I come and smite the whole earth with a curse, and all flesh be consumed before me. D&C 98:16-17

The Twelve are a Traveling Presiding High Council, to officiate in the name of the Lord, under the direction of the Presidency of the Church, agreeable to the institution of heaven; to build up the church, and regulate all the affairs of the same in all nations, first unto the Gentiles and secondly unto the Jews. D&C107:33

Let thy heart be of good cheer before my face; and thou shalt bear record of my name, not only unto the Gentiles, but also unto the Jews; and thou shalt send forth my word unto the ends of the earth. D&C 112:4

It is my contention that the founding fathers of Mormonism were Ephraimites whose ancestors had mingled among the gentile nations:

“Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned…” Hosea 7:8

 In other words, the descendants of the ancient kingdom of Ephraim/House of Israel who are primarily from the loins of Joseph and Ephraim, migrated to America first, to prepare the way for the remaining tribes from the kingdom of Judah who would find their way to this land of the Abrahamic covenant many generations later. (See 3 Nephi and also D&C 38 showing that America is the Abrahamic land covenant of the end times)

The Book of Mormon informs us that Joseph of Egypt’s early arrival into a new land to prepare a place of refuge for his brothers of the other 11 tribes was a type of what would happen in the latter days. America is the land of the final Abrahamic land covenant.

The Type

Joseph was sold into Egypt and was able to establish himself and provide a new land of safety and inheritance for the other 11 brothers and their tribes, who gathered to the new land AFTER Joseph and his family had established themselves and prepared the way. Hence, the typological fulfillment of this event took place in the latter days as a Remnant of the seed of Joseph from the House of Israel first came to this promised land in the form of the pilgrims, some 400 years ago. It is primarily descendants of this group of Ephraimites who had been classed among the gentiles that the restored church was composed of in Kirtland Ohio between 1830 and 1834.

In 1836 Joseph Smith and other leaders of the church petitioned the Lord in section 109 that the yoke of bondage would be broken from the House of David and that the children of Judah may begin to return to the land of America which the land of the Abrahamic land covenant:

We therefore ask thee to have mercy upon the children of Jacob, that Jerusalem, from this hour, may begin to be redeemed; And the yoke of bondage may begin to be broken off from the house of David;And the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father.

Following that, keys of the gathering of the rest of the house of Israel were committed to Joseph and Oliver and shortly after that the Lord commissioned the Twelve Apostles to establish foreign missions to begin taking the knowledge of the gospel to the other tribes of Israel and telling them to gather to America, where a remnant of Joseph and Ephraim had already been established. (See D&C 118) Again, this was all typological to Joseph of Egypt first becoming established in Egypt to prepare a place of refuge for the remaining tribes of Israel.

As you can see, the Old Testament story of Joseph who was sold into Egypt followed by his brothers and father provide the type for demonstrating what took place during the LDS restoration movement.

The arrival of newly converted descendants from the ancient kingdom of Judah, during the Nauvoo period, continuing into the Utah period, created a tribal tension dynamic in the condemned church of the Latter day Saints that continues to play out today.

It represented the uniting of those classed with the “dispersed of Judah” with the “remnant of Joseph” that was classed among the gentiles. In other words, the believing “Jew” (Judah) and “Gentile” (Ephraim) were being united into one church, or tribe. (See my article on how Joseph Smith was instrumental on re-establishing the ancient Kingdom of Israel.)

It is common knowledge that Joseph Smith was a descendent of Joseph of Egypt. It is a less known fact that Joseph Smith specifically was of the lineage of Ephraim. This obscured fact may have first been revealed in his patriarchal blessing:

“Thus shall he be honored of the Lord, and thus shall it be recorded of him, that the generation to come may bless his name, in Israel, saying, “The Lord make thee as Joseph the Seer, who was of the house of Ephraim the brother of Manasseh”

Brigham Young had also been taught that Joseph Smith was an Ephraimite and taught as much in a general conference:

Joseph Smith was a pure Ephraimite, and the Book of Mormon was revealed to him.” (Journal of Discourses 2:268–69.)

Brigham’s association of Joseph’s Ephraimite heritage and his calling to bring forth the Book of Mormon was an inference to the fact that the Book of Mormon had been referred to as the “Stick of Ephraim”. Joseph held the keys for bringing forth the first portion of the book which is primarily directed at the Gentiles. The next portion will convert the believing remnants of Lehi en-mass. D&C 27:5

To be continued in part two of this series we shall see how the newly converted remnants of that ancient kingdom of Judah flowing into the church during the Nauvoo and Utah eras of the restoration would take the power to preside, away from Ephraim, and fulfill Christ’s prophetic observation that “the Gentiles shall not have power over you..

For part two click here


“[I]t is good to be born in a church, but it is bad to die there..”: I am already gone!

October 19, 2015

A notification was sent out today to myself and some high profile bloggers and others. It was from a fellow that I have conversed with via email from time to time over the years, although I have not heard from him for quite a long time until today.

He is a person that I consider to be sincere in his quest for truth and pure in heart, based on our conversations. He has spent countless hours searching the scriptures trying to better understand the gospel and the role of the church, etc.

In the email he is sharing the fact that he is resigning from the church. He also shares his letter of resignation.

I asked if I could share the content of his email and the letter that he sent to the church and he gave me his permission.

One of the things I find remarkable about his situation is that his Stake President has accused him of accepting Denver Snuffer as a prophet of God, predicated on the testimony of someone who saw him at one of Denver’s talks, even though this person told the Stake President to his face that he does not believe Denver Snuffer is a prophet of God.

I guess Stake Presidents are so inspired nowadays that they can determine for us what we believe and what we don’t believe.

The content of his email is below followed by his letter of resignation.


“[I]t is good to be born in a church, but it is bad to die there. It is good to be born a child, but bad to remain a child. Churches, ceremonies, and symbols are good for children, but when the child is grown he must burst the church or himself. We must not remain children forever.” Vivekananda, 19th Century Hindu Reformer


To all those who know or have known me realize I seek very judiciously the meaning of my existence. I have now walked away from the Church. I have realized for quite some time of the Zoromites that exist through transition of time. It seems history cannot be dissolved as to the pathway of a people.

The Church for me had become full of cowards, discriminating, exclusionary, incriminating, back stabbing, and full of  judging. You may say that it was just your Ward, but I say I have lived in a several Stakes and Wards and it is no different. You can find people full of love in a Protestant church, a Catholic church, a Buddhist monastery and Shaolin Temple. And you will also find judgment there as well. I do not believe the passage in Moroni as it was retranslated into English; Moroni 7:16-19. Yeshua didn’t say, “Follow Me”. He said “Follow my Halakah”, or my way. We are not to judge and have no understanding by which to judge.

We discern.

Do we understand the journey of anyone?

Do we understand what each person’s contract was before they left the spirit domain?

I understand discernment very well. I think that is Moronis intent. We do not judge and cannot judge, no matter if the doctrines of man tell us we can.. But the Stockholm Syndrome that the bloated institution has diligently tried to impose has many walking around like zombies, of which they will never admit to. Preserving the institution is the foremost endeavor even above the human soul. Preserving the 99 is more important than going after the one. This is my journey.

The attached document is my letter of resignation . It is not a literary marvel by any means, but outlines the dichotomy with the institution. The amazing thing is that the people really believe that history has no effect on them! Whatever happened in history will not play out in the realm of the church today!

“It can’t affect us because we are the Lords people and he is saving us for his return!”  

History will play out. It  has and always will. They deteriorate, change things to fit their desires and mask it all in elitism. It is sad you can’t look at history and learn; and we have not. Feel free, if it fits your paradigm to share this, or post it with whomever you choose.

There is a great song I have been singing in my head the past week. It just arrived in my head: “Already Gone”, by the Eagles. Go look at the lyrics. Very apropos..
[Link to video of Eagles song provided by me for effect.]

To: Corporation of the President of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

From: Anthony Gordon Giles #000-2678-1026

Re: Resignation

Date: September 20, 2015

I, Anthony Gordon Giles, a member of the Diamond Valley First Ward, St. George North Stake do hereby resign my membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints tendered this day, September 30, 2015.

I have given several hundred thousand dollars in tithes and offerings to this church. I have given thousands of hours in service to this church. I have given thousands of hours of temple service, some of which were over 500 names of my own family line in genealogical work. I have filled many leadership positions of which I cared deeply for the Saints I had jurisdiction over. I have spent countless hours in searching for God through the scriptures and other documents necessary in my search.  I seek the Holy Spirit to lead, guide, and direct my efforts in this world. My prayers have filled the immensity of space toward Him of whom I give allegiance. Elder Poelman’s conference talk was correct; the Church organization and the gospel are separate entities;  “for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart”. I love the Lord with all my heart, might, mind and strength and love my neighbor as myself. This is the law and the prophets. What part of the gospel have I violated? To what sin am I charged? To what sin toward man or this church have I violated?

I find it curiously evident that man has consistently polluted things, events, beginnings on the earth originating from God. The Church is no exception. It has paralleled the Constitution of this promised land in the corruption of the original thought and finished document so perfectly, it is uncanny; they were both so inspired at one time for the benefit of mankind.

Ammendment 1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion2, or prohibiting the free exercise3 thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press5; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble6, and to petition7 the Government for a redress of grievances; Ammendment 5) No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces; or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,  nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation3 Ammendment 6) In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be   informed of the nature and cause of the accusation29; to be confronted with the witnesses30against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor31, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence; Ammendment 9) The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people; Ammendment 10) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States42 respectively, or to the people.

More control by man to alleviate the things of God seems in order in both circumstances. You claim the Constitution is being eroded; have you looked within? More control from the top down; more obviscation of rights of freedom of speech and press (no thinking or speaking outside the manuals, or for Heaven’s sake write on any blog) aleviated through persecution and prosecution; or in the case of trial; the 6 witnesses for and against as spoken by the covenant portion of the Doctrine and Covenants, all with due process? There are countless times that I am privy to where this is not followed.

You say that this is the only church on the face of the earth that has a prophet at its head and receives direct revelation from God. You may claim that all you want, but your efforts have been to be noticed by the world and not to take care of the flock or the one, and to protect your image at all cost. The Lord needs no defending. Why do you seek to preserve the 99 and go after, with vengence, the one?  You have brought Ezekiel to the forefront in your attitude and distribution to your flock. The shepherds are indeed under scrutiny.

But leaving all the comparison to the side, you have sought control of man’s thoughts. We are not allowed to search for the great Creator. We must believe as all in mass or we have no place therein. Isn’t the pathway to God an individual search?

Which of the four versions of the First Vision do you bank your understanding of  God?  You have placed allegiance and a label on a man, the current President, to define our relationship with Jesus Christ.

You have demanded we accept the label of prophet, seer and revelator to 15 men before we can seek the face of God in our sanctuaries? I suppose when the Lord was speaking with Peter, Nephi was not given instruction?

 Did Joseph Smith demand that he be revered as a prophet before they visited the Kirtland Temple and how the people witnessed so many amazing things?  I don’t recall Zacharias needing to proclaim allegiance to Caiaphus or the head Pharisee before he was able to go into the Holy of Holies to receive a visit from an angel of God. He was killed for pronouncing this experience by direction of those hierarchal members.

Do you know anyone excommunicated for testifying they have seen an angel or saw Christ, hmm? The Temple had become polluted long before Zacharias was visited by an angel. Yet, though our temples have been polluted from blood oaths to the changing of ordinances, we can still go there to see the face of God, because in the 124th section of Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord stated there was not a place found on the earth where He could visit His people (not just the hierarchy).

You can still see that a temple has merit regardless of pollution. To be baptized, which is a token or outward sign of committing oneself to our Savior, which is our gate to His presence, you have corrupted this special ordinance with needing to accept Thomas S. Monson, or whomever is appointed by seniority, as a prophet before we can be baptised? This is in Preach My Gospel. How does this correspond with the scriptures? Did Alma in Mosiah 18 need for someone to proclaim himself or Mosiah as prophet before they were baptized in the Waters of Mormon?  Do you see the corruption and pollutions over time that has changed this church into a church of the doctrines of men?

You all know the story of Petuliah Brown and Joseph Smith, so I won’t rehearse it. Joseph was appalled that all men had to believe a certain way or they were kicked out of the institution. Do you believe that the nineth article of faith was inspired of the Lord? Do you believe it applies to all mortals, not just “non-members”?

I have searched also Mentinah Archives, Buddhism, Taoism, Researchers of Truth, Lyricus, Hinduism, Jewish history, Kabbalah, Sefir Yetzirah (which Christ taught from), Joseph Smith’s teachings, and many other asundry documants, because didn’t Joseph state that we should…” seek ye out of the best books”? And it is not because I do not have faith, it is because I do have faith that the Lord prepares His children all over the world for His return. I will listen, read, ponder, attend, seek all truth wherever it may be, and man will not dictate to me what I shall seek in the relationship with my God; because our path to God is individual, not institutional.

Where is the greatest gift toward man? Where is his agency belong in this stated church? You have sought to take it away. You have sought to retain the 99 and let the one go.

You have replaced ministration with administration.

How are you not different than the Zoramites? They would not let the people attend their sanctuaries due to their economic condition. They were persecuted and driven out. Are you not doing the same thing today; only this time in regulating belief, movement, thought and study? Are you not driving out sincere seeking Saints who are all having wake up calls for the sake of preserving the 99? Have you remitted the weightier matters of the law, while paying your tithes, mint and anise?

You cannot control man’s thoughts toward his creator, and to double down today on retention of the 99 only displays your frustration not receiving direct relelation of God’s love. God is love. When the woman was at His feet being accused of adultery, he asked her , “Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?” She answered that they were not here. He then said, “Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.”

Where are mine accusers? Where is my sin? The Doctrine and Covenants, which you purport to believe states that two accusers who know the individual must come to the individual to reconcile their differences. Then, if they can’t reconcile, it is to be taken to the Bishop. If he can’t reconcile, it then goes before the High Council.

Have you followed the scriptures of your own Constitution?  It is interesting how you have become the Keeper of the Gate.  Has the Keeper of the Gate given His keys to you, not your treasured Priesthood keys, but His keys to the gate?  Can you be so arrogant to say this? Has it come to pass that what Nephi 28 states that God has done His work and has given His power unto men and we don’t need Him anymore? Nephi said to liken the scriptures unto ourselves. Yet his affiliation with Isaiah and his dual prophecies of  latter day Israel is replete with condemnation upon us. We are today’s fulfullment of the prophecies of Nephi, Isaiah, Ezekiel and Moroni.

My Bishop, is following the Church Handbook and taking direction from a Stake President with an agenda. I have spoken to many who were recipients under his unruly hand. This Handbook has trumped the scriptures. I knew he was troubled when speaking with me concerning what I was studying or where I was going. I related that he looked very troubled in his deliberation and I asked him if he was fighting between his heart and the Handbook?  Do we use the Spirit or the Handbook?  I said it was OK to follow the train as he was directed and not to be concerned, he was only following the Handbook! Brethren, have you replaced the scriptures with the handbook???

The Bishop said that someone saw me at a Denver Snuffer lecture. He won’t tell me who and no one has showed up who has said this. That was the extent of the interview. He immediately went in to the matter if I had a testimony of Thomas S. Monson as a prophet, seer and revelator. Then he asked if I was baptised in Denver Snuffer’s church and had been ordained. Now obviously he was schooled in this from upper management. Why would he go into this immediately unless he had been given a directive?  I told him that I follow no man and I do not fear man more than God. I am an independent thinker and seeker of truth. I do not follow man. I belong to no group, period. I did buy one of his books at Deseret Bookstore, by the way.

Could it be that the corporate church hires individuals to check up on the doings of everyone and then sends word down from the top to the Stake President, then down to the Bishop who acts as if it all came from him? I found out that there was no person from our Ward or Stake that supposedly witnessed this action. Then it must have been from the top down. Has this become the KGB, CIA, or other spy agencies?

The Bishop then told one of my relatives that I have been flagged! Really? Was this a “Spanish Inquisition”?  Have you not seen that you have become as the churches of old, all in the name of retention of power? What would it matter to anyone if I attend a class on Hinduism, Taoism, Jewish mysticism or other forms of thought? A speech by Denver Snuffer that I attended did not possess anything not directly from the scriptures that you espouse. The topic was Jesus Christ all takken from his book, The Second Comforter”. It was scripture learning. Why do you fear this? Do you realize judging is fear in disguise. The Lord said “fear not”.

Let me state, under hesitation, that I do not put myself above others based on actions. Let me tell you of my fruits and you can then state to me you know my mind, heart and soul. I have four children whom I love dearly and have taught them the paths of the Lord and to seek the Spirit in everything they do. They have grown up in the light and they are productive members of society and love the Lord.

I have spent thousands of  hours serving others and I never missed a home teaching visit, even though it was forced ministration, and made sure I got the reports by the 4th of the following month to the Stake. They commanded me to give the lesson on the First Presidency message every month. Not only did the family read it already, the same article was given in Priesthood meeting and then I am supposed to teach it for my home visit? What about the Spirit? What of their actual needs? Even the head of one of these families only wanted the First Presidency message even though they have heard it several times before. I follow the Spirit,  Isn’t that time more well spent…good, better, best?

I work at the Homeless Shelter in our town twice a week. I grow crops and fruit in abundance to give to those who need it because of economic conditions. I pray fevently most all the day long.  I read, study, pray incessantly to know the Spirit and will of God. No one who has ever known me would not say I seek for anyhing but goodness in all paths I cross. This is not self aggrandizing. It is to only illustrate that you have become Pharisees, Zoramites, and Israelites in thought, action and have produced confirmation bias in your demeanor and actions.

You feign godliness but deny the power thereof. You have replaced the blessings of Heaven and teach for doctrines, the commandments of men, i.e., correlation committee, strengthening the members committee, and replacing visual content in temples like disposable diapers as if we will be uplifted by movies and not seek the real meaning of the House of the Lord.

Why have you not provided an accounting of the tithes and offerings of the people? The Doctine and Covenants which you purport to follow states that no removal of funds from the treasury will made without the vote of the people. Have you followed this?  You have fine sanctuaries, beautiful temples, thousands of employees, and management not working with their own hands for their support as King Benjamin beautifully recited. Nevertheless, we are still inundated with the poor throughout the world in our church;  but, we have our fine meeting houses, and that’s what counts, right?

The real power of God in this Church has diminished to a faint and distant light. We look to man nowadays for direction, inspiration, self validation and praise. I cannot do this. Why have ye polluted the Holy Church of God? You have forgotten what started in 1820 and bastardized it so, you cannot even decipher where it came from. By their fruits ye shall know them. But please do not take this harshly. Please do not look inside yourselves with the institution you perpetuate to maintain and the power you cling to. God is within you; do you feel it?

God is my judge. I am so thankful for that. Man has had an interesting history with judgment. I am thankful I need no gatekeeper accept the Holy One of Israel. I will continue to serve where I am led because I have made it part of my nature. But I guess I am an apostate and that is the name you will ascribe to me.

One last and final thought.  Jesus has given higher laws tirelessly throughout time. Man chose not to follow them. When He came in the meridian of time, what was His mission? He was to lift men and women up to higher laws and higher thoughts, “what a man thinketh, so is he”. Now you wish for me not to live a higher law; you wish for me to live a lesser law…to worship man to get to God. No man should be held in higher esteem than another?  

We are to revere, acknowledge,  put a label on and pay obesiance to men before we can visit His house which you purport is His or to be a part of His Kingdom of which you proclaim to be in charge? How are you bringing me to Christ? Will the Church Handbook bring me to Christ?  Can you see what has changed?  Do you seek the one and leave the 99 or have you replaced this belief with seeking to retain the 99 and leave the one?  May the Lord bless you that perhaps the Lord Himself, Nephi, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Joseph Smith, Jacob, Mormon, and Moroni will not have sorrow because His prophecies are being fulfilled and that you will live the higher law of leaving judgement to the Lord and not hiding your council before Him by covert means in seeking the exclusion of any of His flock.

One last final tragedy imposed upon me. I lost my beloved wife after 32 years of marriage and the raising four children. My last son was on his mission at the time. He used great courage to remain and complete his mission and not come home for the funeral.  He will be getting married soon. The bride’s parents cannot attend because they are not of the institutional belief.  You have excluded all who are not believers of your handbook.  Imagine that, the greatest event in the life of an individual and you have mingled exclusion to your sanctuary with that of the greatest event in a person’s life.

Joseph Smith actually taught how marriages should be performed, and they were not in any temple. Who mingled sealing and marriage together? Do you even know? Now, because of your covert activities toward me, I, who have committed no sin that you can demonstrate, am now excluded from seeing my last son marry his beautiful sweetheart. There will be no parents at his marriage. Can you justify this? What would his mother say to this on the other side?

All of this because someone mysteriously saw me at a Denver Snuffer lecture and was concerned for me? This was directly imposed from the top down. What about the individual who supposedly saw me there? Should I not be concerned for them as well? You rip lives apart because the arm of the flesh sees that some power loss is evident? Preserving the 99?

Thank you for your valuable time. I realize you have much work to perform, all except the uplifting of your own flock. Another talk on the same thing said a little differently is not uplifting your flock.

P.S. Do you have courage to actually read this or will you turn it over to the Strengthening the Members Committee to reply? Are you shielded from even noticing that you are removed from any of the things relating to the love of mankind? Would you send this to FAIR, FARMS, or your Public Relations Department to respond without prayer, using the Spirit, or pondering its content?

September 12, 2015


I have spent over six sessions with Scott Walker. He hasn’t a clue what he was accusing me regarding temple recommend questions nor my faith. I asked him if we were good, because I don’t want to do this anymore. He said we were good three times at three different meetings. The Stake President said we were good after our first meeting. He has since behind the scenes tried desparately to find something to blame on me to spare his ego.

The last meeting on September 12, was Scott Walker coming to my house with a high councilman down the street who has not even tried to get to know me. Bishop Walker never came by once to our home until I obligated him to come over after I would not come to his office anymore to exercise these juvenille games. He wants to take my Temple Recommend away. I said what have I done? You said we were good three times.

He said you still did not answer the temple recommend questions the they should with yes and no answers. I thought this strange, because he could have done this before when he said we were good. He said I don’t know you. I interjected and said, that is correct, you have never been to my home to try and get to know me. He said why would I be doing this on a personal basis? I said, “since you don’t know my soul,, how can you judge?”

He then said that I believe in other prophets. I said, “who might they be?” He told me that I believe Denver Snuffer to be a prophet. I told him at least five times that I did not believe him to be a prophet, but the Book of Mormon tell us of prophets who receive God’s word all over the world, including Nephi, Lehi, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Christ, Nephi, son of Nephi, son of Helaman, all at the same time frame. What about Ammon and Alma.

The scriptures beg these question of bringing His word to anyone of who has a testimony of Jesus. What of the scriptures from the rest of the twelve tribes that will come forth? Do not prophets write scripture? The Lord, on a macro basis has many things going on you know not of. I told him Monson is the only one as well as the other twelve whom receive  inspiration to lead this church.

Walker then said that I read Snuffer’s books. I then said, “Have you read The Second Comforter, Nephi’s Isaiah, Parables, Road to Immaeus? He said he hadn’t. I said, “Then wherewith do you speak? I purchased the Second Comforter at Deseret Book Store! It increased my faith in the Lord”. Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition, Wycliffe’s Bible, Joan of Arc? These people were burned. Thank heavens we have a protective God who delivered the Constitution, or you would be doing the same thing!!!

What blog can you reference that I have ownership of? What book have I written? What member have I tried to convert? Where is my new baptism I was accused of?  Where is my ordination you accused me of? I have word that President Stuckey is on a Scarlett Letter campaign. There is no love in your presence nor his presence when I was there. You don’t want scriptures to be brought up, in fact, you were seriously offended when I said I was a student of them. It isn’t necessary in your eyes. It defeats the purpose of eradicating all independent thought from this church”.

Well, the High Counselor sat there like a lump and didn’t say a word. I said, “Thanks for your input (sarcastically)!” He said,  “I’m just hear to listen”. Oh, I understand, the law of witnesses thing, and the legal aspect of salvation. Now I understand. Walker then said he is getting papers on me and someone is coming forward with things. I said that he was vague and exactly what does he mean? Who were these people. He couldn’t tell me. So there are mysterious people who saw me at a Denver Snuffer lecture, and now other mysterious people who have papers on me? I write no blog, I have published no book, nor have I spoken to any member regarding my studies. Papers? I said I belied that the Stazi has gone a little too far. I then pointed the question, “Do you walk in fear, follow superstitution, or breed malicious gossip for any worth to me and you? What do you get out of this exercise? How is this benefitting you, the Church or myself? Am I increasing in faith, closer to God, or stimulated to work with the ward even more by your visit? Why do you walk in fear? Have you forgotten what business you are in?”


Cc: Bishop Scott Walker

       Diamond Valley 1st Ward, St. George North Utah Stake

Notable Emails #22 “My prediction is that those who accept the gospel of Bill Reel (non-literal historicity of the Book of Mormon) will ultimately either loose all of their faith…”

October 16, 2015

Lately I seem to be getting emails from lots of foreigners. Today I am going to share email correspondence from an Australian followed by someone from Romania.

Good post u just did bro. [Regarding Moses and Aaron being a type of Joseph and Oliver] 

Great find on the parallel between the Numbers passages and JS. I like it!

Got a thought- why wasn’t JS translated as JST Gen 14 says he ought to be if he was part of (or held ) the Highest Priesthood ?

My response

Great question. I think the same could and should be asked about Moses.

BTW, the corporate church teaches that Moses was translated because of a misinterpretation of Alma 45;19. however I call BS on that one.

The OT says Moses died about 7 different times and the Lord himself told Moses that he would need to die before crossing the river (as part of his punishment for committing sin, in my opinion). None of those passages were changed in the JST. I am convinced that Moses died.

So back to your question. My opinion is that various prophets had different callings and Moses and Joseph both drew the short straw regarding the ministry they got and the people they would minister to in that they both had to labor among a group of people that would not convert as a group and both Moses and Joseph had to offer up an intercessory atonement offering in behalf of apostate Israel, which required that they take upon them the sins of the people and they had to die as part of their offerings. (The group Joseph was assigned to failed because of wheat and tare mingled together until the time of harvest), I don’t know if the is the case with the group Moses had, I suspect it was)
One of the things that occurred to me while researching the life of Moses is that Moses was just as righteous as Enoch and had reached the same status with God as Enoch, he simply had a different calling and therefore could not be translated. I think the same is true of Joseph. I think the world is going to be astonished when they find out just how righteous Joseph really was at the time of his sanctification before his eyes were covered and the sins were placed upon him… his calling did not allow him to show forth the miraculous works that Enoch (and even Moses) showed forth and God made him look like a fool in the eyes of the world. Indeed, poor old Joseph is really taking it on the chin at this time.. ouch… his ears must be burning with what is being said about him on the anti, ex, and alternative Mormon folks.
Enoch drew a longer straw and got to minister to a people who could be called to repentance. Jonah drew a long straw and got the people to repent and was pissed of about it LOL..
It is also interesting how the saints who successfully lived in a Zion society in the Book of Mormon did not get to be translated like the saints in the city of Enoch. Again, I think it has to do with the time frame they lived in and the callings that they had. I think those folk are going to return and help build Zion hence, the Lord did not want to rapture them up in to the city of Enoch…
Take care bro


Comment from Romanian-

Hi Watcher, thanks for response, and the pdf. So my question was that there is this idea by Old Testament scholars that the Old Testament is largely a myth (especially, anything before King David, that isn’t empirically and archaeologically verifiable). Now, from my reading of your blog, i believe you are very much literal at your interpretations of these texts. So I was wondering if you have ever considered an alternative explanation to, say,  Adam wasn’t a real entity as portrayed in the Genesis (but a mythical story),  Moses really didn’t exist to lead that large multitude across the Red Sea, etc.

I know the Prophet Joseph Smith took these texts literally (maybe it is, or maybe he was a product of his time, I don’t know!), but I am only wondering if you have considered how those who don’t take the literal path can benefit from your discoveries. (Because like I said my wife’s only brother lost his testimony because of this and how Joseph took these stories as actually literal history).

Thanks a lot!


I have just been bombarded with so many things sorry about the delay. Your question is such a good one and really deserves more time than I am able to give to it so I will give my short, gut response now and then I hope at some future time to provide a detailed response.
Question:  “I am only wondering if you have considered how those who don’t take the literal path can benefit from your discoveries. (Because like I said my wife’s only brother lost his testimony because of this and how Joseph took these stories as actually literal history).”
I believe that true faith followed by true knowledge in God’s true religion REQUIRES a literal interpretation of God’s word.
First of all, it is true that the scriptures are full of parables and allegories and stories that are not literal, that is a given. And it is important to pay close attention to the narrative and to listen closely to the spirit, in order to catch when something is not being presented as literal. HOWEVER, everything that is presented by God as literal, in my opinion, must be literal because God cannot lie.
Lectures on faith states the following: 
 “And again, the idea that he is a God of truth and cannot lie, is equally as necessary to the exercise of faith in him, as the idea of his unchangeableness. For without the idea that he was a God of truth and could not lie, the confidence necessary to be placed in his word in order to the exercise of faith in him, could not exist. But having the idea that he is not man that he can lie, it gives power to the minds of men to exercise faith in him.
Question 20: Is it not necessary also, for men to have an idea that God is a being of truth, before they can have perfect faith in him?
It is; for unless men have this idea they cannot place confidence in his word, and not being able to place confidence in his word, they could not have faith in him; but believing that he is a God of truth, and that his word cannot fail, their faith can rest in him without doubt. (3:22)
It is impossible to exercise enough faith to be saved if one thinks that God lies or is incompetent. God has given us his attributes and among them are the attributes of having all knowledge and never telling lies. If someone does not have confidence in what God says, they simply cannot have sufficient faith.
Once a person begins questioning if the word of God can be trusted, they find themselves on a slippery slope and eventually they loose faith in everything.
There is a very dangerous trend taking place in the church at this time. It has to do with people who are now rejecting the historicity of the book of Mormon yet claiming that it is divinely inspired and that God is the author of it, dispite the fact that it was fabricated and not historically valid.
A great example of this is a fellow by the name of Bill Reel who had a podcast and who questions the historicity of the book of Mormon and claims that is it “messy” yet he counsels people who are having a crisis of faith to believe that the Book of Mormon does not necessarily need to be a true historical record as it claims to be in order to be a valid guiding path for salvation.
This is non-sense.
People come up with this rationalization in an attempt to accept the claims of scientists that claim that there is no evidence of the Book of Mormon, while attempting to maintain their belief that the church is a good institution that is somehow inspired by in a God the tells lies and builds the foundation of his church upon lies.
This is a doctrine of the devil.
Regarding you question about how my research might help someone that does not take the scripture literally, I think there are numerous things brought to light in my discoveries in the scriptures and the history of the church that demonstrate the unwavering exactness and truthfulness of God, and the fact that He never lies and that he knows all things.
When I have the time to create a detailed response I will provide lots of examples showing that God is always telling the truth even when it appears as if he is not.
There is no middle ground on this issue in my opinion. Either God is who and what he claims to be or he is not. If he is lying to us about who and what he is, He could not possibly have the power to save us.
His response-

Thanks a great deal for making out time for me, I really appreciate it.

I do also look forward to a detailed response in future (as your response seem to indicated, or maybe I am misreading it). And whilst you gather your thoughts, I do have some issues with this line from you, “HOWEVER, everything that is presented by God as literal, in my opinion, must be literal”. My in-law believed this way until Documentary Hypothesis and other Old Testament scholarships knocked out his testimony.

Thanks for the suggestion of paying close attention to the spirit.

And oh all of us (Myself, Yourself, Reel Bill, Terryl Givens, Daymon Smith, Dan Peterson, David Bokovoy, Brian Hales, etc.), we’re all struggling to make sense of the contradictions of the restoration the best way we can, whilst staying true to it (in one form or the other). I don’t know, but I feel, that in a world of over 7 billion people, we can all perceive and understand eternity equally, hence the various approaches (even our dear LDS inc., has a mind of its own…. LOL!). Well, May God help us all.


My response to his response


I understand how you feel.

I am simply sharing my opinion based on my search.

 If believing that God had Joseph Smith fabricate the Book of Mormon and build the church on the foundation of a lie, (Moroni 10:3-5) as a way of bringing people to the true gospel of Christ works for Bill Reel or anyone else, more power to them, I am simply going by what I have learned. The quotes from LoF ring true to me, I just don’t think you can have faith in a God that lies or is incompetent. I know I can’t. A God that cannot be trusted only produces fear and doubt.  It is impossible to not have doubts if you believe in a God that does not know all things and that intentionally lies to His children
My prediction is that those who accept the gospel of Bill Reel (non-literal historicity of the Book of Mormon) will ultimately either loose all of their faith when the opposition, afflictions and tribulations descend, or perhaps will be blessed with an epiphany of faith through the grace of God, and their faith will overcome their doubts and their trust in science and the arm of flesh. One or the other must happen before probations ends, I just don’t believe they can be brought to salvation by believing in a fabricated document. That does not pass the test of faith.
“persons whose minds are under doubts and fears cannot have unshaken confidence, and where unshaken confidence is not, there faith is weak, and where faith is weak, the persons will not be able to contend against all the opposition, tribulations and afflictions which they will have to encounter in order to be heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ Jesus; and they will grow weary in their minds, and the adversary will have power over them and destroy them.” LoF
In theory, if believing that way enables a person to hang on until they gain faith, then it may be an exceptable interim way of struggling with a crisis of faith, but I am very skeptical about the fruits that such a philosophy will bring forth.
Again, if his logic works for anyone else, that is great. I am simply sharing my two cents worth.

“If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.”

October 15, 2015

The Roles of Moses and Aaron
(and the parallels between Joseph and Oliver)

There is an interesting and instructive account in the Old Testament of a time when the prophet Aaron and the prophetess Miriam[1] took issue with their brother Moses for taking an Ethiopian woman as a wife.

The account is somewhat vague as to why they thought this action constituted a serious transgression on the part of Moses. Some believe it had to do with miscegenation, while others feel it had to do with violating the higher celestial law of marital monogamy. Perhaps some feel that both were issues.

Needless to say, both Aaron and Miriam were well schooled in the law, indeed Aaron as the High Priest over Israel and the Patriarchal Priesthood, and was given control over the Urim and Thummim by which the will of God was determined. God had commissioned Aaron and his descendants to distinguish the holy from the common and the clean from the unclean. Aaron, as the spokesman for God’s servant Moses, was responsible for expounding the law to the Children of Israel.

It is therefore of no small consequence that Aaron and Miriam took issue with their brother Moses and seemed to be quite dogmatic in their contention that Moses had sinned a very grievous sin.

Regardless of what the supposed transgression was, the Lord used this event to instruct the prophet Aaron and the prophetess Miriam about the difference between their priesthood callings and that of Moses. Indeed, the Lord showed them the distinction between their revelatory relationship with Him, verses Moses relationship with Him.

Please note the following narrative very closely:

AND Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses?  hath he not spoken also by us?  And the LORD heard it.

 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation.  And they three came out. Numbers 12:1-4

After noting what they assumed was a serious transgression in their brother Moses, Aaron and Miriam counseled among themselves observing that the Lord had given both of them the spirit of revelation just as Moses had been given the spirit of revelation. Their logic was that since they were prophets of the Lord just as Moses was, and since Aaron was a teacher of the law, they had the right to call Moses to repentance just as he could call them to repentance.

The account informs us that Moses was very meek. Indeed he was more meek than any other man upon the face of the earth. This is in itself, a doctrinal key that is worthy of exhaustive gospel study to help us in our spiritual preparation to meet God.

We are also informed that after hearing the murmurings and accusations of these two prophets against Moses, the servant of the Lord, the Lord had Moses, Aaron, and Miriam enter into the holy tabernacle of the congregation for a severe chastisement. The narrative continues:

And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed. Numbers 12:5-9

From the above narrative we learn that most prophets, like Aaron and Miriam, commonly receive revelation from the Lord through visions and dreams. Just like most of the ancient patriarchs and prophets like Abraham and Lehi did. However, prophets like Moses, literally stand in the presence of God and speak mouth to mouth with the Lord.

In other passages referring to Moses, it is said that Moses spoke “face to face” with God. A designation that rarely shows up in reference to other prophets:

And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses.

And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.  Exodus 33:9-11

It is very significant that the Lord does not justify the actions of Moses by explaining how Moses did not violate the law of God, rather, the issue had to do with the calling and relationship that Moses had with God.

Moses seems to be untouchable, even when it appeared as if he would transgressing the law.

It is as if there is a bigger narrative behind the surface narrative that God does not desire to discuss. Or perhaps his declaration of the relationship that Moses had with God WAS the explanation for why Moses could act out transgressions to God’s laws without any apparent accountability from human priesthood holders.

It is almost as if the oath and covenant that Moses had established with God had qualified Moses to act differently than his fellow mortals that had a lesser relationship with God. Perhaps Moses had been qualified to act as an intercessor to offer up atonement offerings and to act out the sins of the people….

It is extremely odd that the nature of the accused sin is not appear to be the direct subject being addressed by God, rather, it is Moses’ very unique level of meekness and covenant relationship with God. Moses has a “face to face” relationship with God.

Nevertheless, with the components of the above narrative in mind, it is interesting to see a parallel teaching in modern revelation regarding Joseph’s role, as one like Moses, and Oliver Cowdery’s role, as one like Aaron:

BEHOLD, I say unto thee, Oliver, that it shall be given unto thee that thou shalt be heard by the church in all things whatsoever thou shalt teach them by the Comforter, concerning the revelations and commandments which I have given.

But, behold, verily, verily, I say unto thee, no one shall be appointed to receive commandments and revelations in this church excepting my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., for he receiveth them even as Moses.

And thou shalt be obedient unto the things which I shall give unto him, even as Aaron, to declare faithfully the commandments and the revelations, with power and authority unto the church.

 And if thou art led at any time by the Comforter to speak or teach, or at all times by the way of commandment unto the church, thou mayest do it.

But thou shalt not write by way of commandment, but by wisdom;

And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church;

For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead. And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church D&C:28:1-7

Do you see the parallels in the two narratives?

The patriarchal prophet Oliver Cowdery was not to command the  prophet, Joseph Smith, who had been the designated head of the church and holder of the Melchizedek keys of the mysteries, just as Aaron was not to command Moses.

The prophet Oliver was to be heard in the church and could expound and teach doctrine as inspired by the comforter, just as the prophet Aaron had done anciently, however,

“no one shall be appointed to receive commandments and revelations in this church excepting my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., for he receiveth them even as Moses.” Furthermore, ” thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church”  D&C 28:1-2

We are informed in this revelation that by this date, September of  1830, Joseph had received the” keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead.

Joseph had received priesthood keys that Oliver had not received. Joseph had been given keys that enabled him to receive a higher level of revelation, pertaining to mysteries and sealed revelations. These keys apparently pertained to and were under the direction of Melchizedek priesthood, not patriarchal priesthood.

Clearly this revelation was given shortly after the restoration of the keys of the Patriarchal priesthood by John the Baptist to both Joseph and Oliver, and BEFORE the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood to 23 men at the Morley Farm.

Is it possible to be given priesthood keys to the Melchizedek Priesthood before being given the Melchizedek Priesthood?

Is it possible to be given the keys to a house before using the keys to enter the house?

I think so.

Is it possible that Joseph needed to have the Melchizedek Priesthood keys before the special conference and the revealing of the Melchizedek Priesthood could take place?

I don’t know.



There seems to be a very specific and calculated order to how priesthood keys and offices were introduced into the church at the time of the restoration. First the keys pertaining to Abraham’s Power given by John the Baptist. Then missionary work begins as converts are baptised in to the church. Then the keys to the mysteries are given to Joseph from Peter. Shortly thereafter the Melchizedek Priesthood is manifested as the heavens are opened and 23 high priesthoods are called and ordained to be High Priests by the voice of God out of heaven.

It appears as if the reception of the “keys of the mysteries and revelations which are sealed” were given prior to the special conference at the Morley Farm and they were given to Joseph specifically and not to Oliver Cowdery.

Oliver had a different standing and relationship before God than Joseph did.

The keys of the mysteries spoken of were not given to Joseph and Oliver by John the Baptist. It appears as if they were given to Joseph, by hand, by Peter, probably in the presence of James and John, as well as Oliver.

It appears these keys pertaining to the highest priesthood were given to Joseph Smith by Peter sometime between the appearance of John the Baptist and the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood at the Morley Farm:

“I was also present when the higher or Melchizedek Priesthood . . . was conferred by the holy angel from on high.”

He was there to be a witness to the event taking place. It appears he did not declare that Peter gave him the keys, he declared that he was present when they were given to Joseph. Oliver’s calling was limited to Patriarchal Priesthood. This may explain why it was Sidney that saw the Father and the Son with Joseph and yet, after the Melchizedek priesthood was taken away, it was Oliver that was joined with Joseph during the patriarchal bestowing of keys that took place in April of 1836.

Differing levels of Divine Communication

Back when I did a critique of a fabulous book by Karl Anderson, I took issue with him for suggesting that it is not wise or important to try to distinguish the different levels of revelation that prophets have had with God.

I passionately disagree.

I believe it is critically important to understand the distinction between prophets that speak directly with God and those that must receive communication in a dream or vision.

I have speculated, based on the above account in which the Lord explains the distinction between his relationship between Moses and that of his brother and sister, that there are differing levels of revelation and priesthood stewardship demonstrated in modern revelation.

I have suggested that when Joseph and Sidney spoke with God as documented in section 76, they were probably speaking face to face with him as they gazed up into the heavens and saw and conversed with him. So powerful was this communication that Joseph and Oliver declared that

..Of whom we bear record; and the record which we bear is the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the Son, whom we saw and with whom we conversed in the heavenly vision…while we meditated upon these things, the Lord touched the eyes of our understandings and they were opened, and the glory of the Lord shone round about.
And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness;
And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever.
And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—
That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God. D&C 76:19-24

It appears that the communication between God and his servants Joseph and Sidney, may have been in real time, face to face, similar to how God communicated with Moses, even though a vision was used to communicate past and future events during this visitation.

It is no coincidence that this communication took place during the 3 1/2 half year period that the fulness of the Gospel was on the earth between June of 1831 and december of 1834.

It is no coincidence that Joseph and Sidney had received the Melchizedek priesthood and it was during that period of time that God declared that they had entered into the oath and covenant of the priesthood and had had their names entered into the books of the sanctified. That would indicate a significant level of meekness that they had obtained by the grace and mercy of God.

Fast forward several years to April 3 1836, after the fulness of the priesthood had been temporarily removed, and the saints were left with the Patriarchal/Evangelical priesthood that had been restored to the earth by John the Baptist.

A very important communication once again needed to take place that would orally transfer the keys of the gathering of Israel. At this time, an ancient gospel dispensation would be committed enabling the fulfillment of the atonement statute prophecy. Additionally, a very important declaration would be made by the same angel that had restored the keys of the Patriarchal Power of Abraham seven years previously.

I would suggest that the above communication may not have been a real time, face to face communication, but rather a visionary communication. It may have been a revelation on the level of Patriarchal Priesthood rather than a face to face communication on the Melchizedek Priesthood level.

This of course is all speculation being made by a heretic in an effort to better understand the laws of God and how he communicates with his children and the events of the glorious LDS restoration movement.


[1] Exodus 15:20


“”I was also present when the higher or Melchizedek Priesthood . . . was conferred by the holy angel from on high.”

October 13, 2015

In a recent video I pointed out that John the Baptist (who is Elijah the prophet from the Old Testament) visited Joseph and Oliver to restore the keys of the “Priesthood of Aaron” as documented in section 13 and that this fulfilled the following prophecy of Moroni who modified a prophecy in Malachi:

“I will reveal unto you the priesthood by the hand of Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord..”

Indeed, the Priesthood of Aaron, as used in the context of section 13, is the patriarchal priesthood of Abraham which is also referred to as the evangelical priesthood. It is the priesthood of the promise that God gave to Abraham that his posterity would bless the nations of the earth by taking the gospel to them.

With this understanding, it now makes sense that Elijah (John the Baptist) appeared to Joseph and Oliver again seven years later as documented in section 110, to declare that the prophetic promises in the book of Malachi, including the promise that he,  Elijah would reveal the priesthood BY HAND,  had now all been fulfilled.

After this vision closed, the heavens were again opened unto us; and Moses appeared before us, and committed unto us the keys of the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north.
After this, Elias appeared, and committed the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, saying that in us and our seed all generations after us should be blessed.
After this vision had closed, another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:
 Behold, the time has fully come, which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi—testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come—
To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse—
Therefore, the keys of this dispensation are committed into your hands; and by this ye may know that the great and dreadful day of the Lord is near, even at the doors.

Clearly, the turning of the hearts of the ancient fathers such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob towards us and us towards them is making reference to the ancient promise that Abraham’s posterity would bless the nations with the gospel.

In that video I said I would address the visitation of Peter James and John in the context of John the Baptist’s visit. Due to the dementia and attention deficit that I suffer from, I never did address the issue very much. Aging prematurely is a real pisser!

Anyway, I will address this topic now.

Admittedly, we have precious little information about the mysterious visitation of Peter James and John. Nevertheless I am going to share my latest speculation on this topic

Oliver Cowdery was quoted as saying:

“I was also present when the higher or Melchizedek Priesthood . . . was conferred by the holy angel from on high.”

This testimony from Oliver of course is somewhat confusing to some people because the corporate church construes certain revelations pertaining to Peter James and John as implying that all three of them appeared to Joseph and Oliver to ordain them. The testimony that it was a single angel is somewhat disruptive to the storyline given by the corporate church, nevertheless, I accept Oliver’s account, not the storyline of the corporate church.

On another occasion, in 1846, Oliver Cowdery once again reaffirmed that it was just one angel that conferred the higher priesthood and he identified who it was:

“I have been sensitive on this subject [his character], I admit; but I ought to be so–you would be, under the circumstances, had you stood in the presence of John, with our departed Joseph, to receive the Lesser Priesthood–and in the presence of Peter, to receive the Greater, and look down through time, and witness the effects these two must produce.–you would feel what you have never felt, were wicked men conspiring to lessen the effects of your testimony on man, after you should have gone to your long length rest.”

According to Oliver Cowdery, it was Peter that appeared and did the ordination.

I personally find this to be very beautiful and consistent with the New Testament narrative:

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

It was Peter that held the keys of the kingdom. It was Peter that came and ordained Joseph and Oliver to an office in the pertaining to the highest priesthood. I realize that Joseph stated that the rock being spoken of was the “rock of revelation” and that is true, HOWEVER, the keys spoken of, that result in obtaining revelation are very real and they were given to Peter, who clearly understood that he would eventually need to pass those keys on to another. Peter understood that the keys needed to pass from the kingdom of Judah to the kingdom of Israel, as noted by Peter in the first chapter in Acts:

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?”

Clearly Peter plays an integral role in the restoration movement. Joseph identified Peter as the angel flying in the midst of heaven, relative to the 2nd watch, and according to some accounts, it was Peter that appeared in the Kirtland Temple to accept the temple at the beginning of the week, prior to the Lord accepting the House at the beginning of the following week.

But wait.

We know from the testimony of Joseph and several others that the Melchizedek priesthood was not restored to the earth by the voice of God out of heaven until June of 1831, at the special conference at the Morley Farm.

So what exactly was the purpose of Peter’s visit which apparently took place sometime between the visit of John the Baptist and the special conference at the Morley Farm?

I am going to suggest that the ordination or confirmation that took place, that apparently had to do with transferring the keys of the kingdom to descendents from the Kingdom of Israel, or being ordained to the apostleship, or both, represented a preliminary ordinance that was predicated upon a ratification taking place in a future event.

This principle of a preliminary ordination followed by a final ratification was clearly expounded upon by Oliver Cowdery when he and David Whitmer ordained the quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1835. This is what he said to them.

“… Strengthen your faith; cast off your doubts, your sins, and all your unbelief; and nothing can prevent you from coming to God. Your ordination is not full and complete till God has laid His hand upon you. We require as much to qualify us as did those who have gone before us; God is the same. If the Savior in former days laid His hands on His disciples, why not in latter days?

As you can see, God often calls people to positions with a preliminary ordination but their actual calling becomes ratified at a later time, predicated on faith and faithfulness. Oliver was explaining to these newly called apostles that even though they are recieving this preliminary ordination and calling, it would not be fully complete until they got a final ordination from Christ.

In the case of the quorum of the Twelve that were called and ordained in 1835, the Lord later acknowledged in 1837 that they were still not converted to the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

And pray for thy brethren of the Twelve. Admonish them sharply for my name’s sake, and let them be admonished for all their sins, and be ye faithful before me unto my name.
13 And after their temptations, and much tribulation, behold, I, the Lord, will feel after them, and if they harden not their hearts, and stiffen not their necks against me, they shall be converted, and I will heal them.

Almost exactly one year later, while the Twelve were still unconverted to the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Lord gave them a limited commission to depart and go over the great waters and promulgate the gospel and testify of the name of Christ.

Clearly these unconverted apostles were only qualified to testify of the NAME of Christ. They were not qualified to testify of Christ because they had not yet been visited by him and had the fulness of the calling ratified.








“When Joseph Smith received the Aaronic Priesthood, did he make this offering?”

October 13, 2015

Some of my greatest spiritual and doctrinal ah-ha’s have come from reading accusations against Joseph Smith written by anti-Mormons. For instance, Sandra Tanner has done so much excellent research that has saved me from spending countless hours at the church historical library and many of her criticisms have forced me to study issues resulting in a strengthened testimony. The same is true of countless other anti-Mormon sites.

The other day I was doing a search to verify some things about the priesthood that Aaron held and I came upon a website titled “Mission to Mormons

On this website they quoted from Numbers 18:1-7

“The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your father’s family are to bear the responsibility for offenses against the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses against the priesthood. Bring your fellow Levites from your ancestral tribe to join you and assist you when you and your sons minister before the tent of the Testimony…”

Following that, they quoted from Leviticus 6:16

“The Lord also said to Moses, “This is the offering Aaron and his sons are to bring to the Lord on the day he is anointed: a tenth of an ephah (about 2 quarts or 2 liters) of fine flour as a regular grain offering, half of it in the morning and half in the evening. Prepare it with oil on a griddle; bring it well mixed and present the grain offering broken in pieces as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. The son who is to succeed him as anointed priest shall prepare it. It is the Lord’s regular share and is to be burned completely. Every grain offering of a priest shall be burned completely; it must not be eaten” 

After quoting from these two most revealing sections of scripture that were in fact providing veiled prophecies of the latter day offering by the “sons of Levi” and the “sons of moses and of Aaron” they pose the following accusative question with regard to Joseph Smith-

“When Joseph Smith received the Aaronic Priesthood, did he make this offering? Has anyone else since that time who has been ordained to the LDS priesthood made this offering? Note that the scriptures say, “The son who is to succeed him as anointed priest.” This priesthood is hereditary, from father to son and only the descendants of Aaron.”

Little did these good intentioned critics realize it, but they just provided additional proof that Joseph Smith is the end times servant that brings to pass the fulfillment of these prophecies. The passages they are bringing to light are similar to statutes in that they are typological and they outline prophetic enactments of future events relative to a servant that would bear the responsibility for offenses against the sanctuary, and the responsibility for offenses against the priesthood. In other words, he would intercede in behalf of apostate Israel when they sin against the Lord. 

In response to the critics, YES, Joseph Smith received the priesthood of Aaron,  and YES, he did in fact make an acceptable offering, just as Malachi prophesied that he would, and YES he would make reconciliation for iniquity by providing an intercessory atonement offering and participate in the anointing of the most holy [place] within the Sanctuary, just as the Book of Daniel prophetically notes.

Leave it up to a bunch of anti-Mormons to provide me with some of the ancient passages of scripture that provide context to the “acceptable offering from the sons of Levi” narrative in modern revelation. I needed that scriptural context for my book.





” I can’t.. understand why.. Joseph and Oliver were baptized just after receiving the priesthood of Aaron, if baptism is a saving ordinance of the gospel..”

October 13, 2015

While I was on the cruise I got the following email from a person in Canada


Hello Watcher,

I was wondering if you could send me a pdf of the timeline of Church History you used in your YouTube video?

Here is my email :

I also have a question : In one of your post concerning the priesthood, you mentioned that shortly after The Lord restored the priesthood of Aaron, He restored the patriarchal priesthood “which contains the apostolic priesthood authority to dispense the saving ordinances of the gospel”. I can’t get to understand why then Joseph and Oliver were baptized just after receiving the priesthood of Aaron, if baptism is a saving ordinance of the gospel, and not after receiving the patriarchal priesthood through Peter, James and John? Is the priesthood of Aaron a portion of the patriarchal priesthood restored by Peter, James and John, in which only the ordinance of baptism can be perform?

I would really appreciate if you could help me understand that.

Thank you!


The person asks a profoundly important question.

After all, Joseph taught that the lesser Aaronic/Levitical priesthood only had to do with the carnal commandments and could not provide blessings, only cursings.

“[The] Levitical [Priesthood] .. was never able to administer a Blessing but only to bind heavy burdens which neither they nor their father able to bear”
The Words of Joseph Smith, p.243-248; Given 27 August 1843

And yet baptism is a gospel blessing that Joseph and Oliver were blessed to have as a result of the keys of the priesthood of Aaron that John the Baptist restored. Further, the fruits of the baptism that followed the bestowal of the priesthood which John the Baptist bestowed was a spiritual outpouring of prophesying and spiritual enlightenment.

“Immediately on our coming up out of the water after we had been baptized, we experienced great and glorious blessings from our Heavenly Father. No sooner had I baptized Oliver Cowdery, than the Holy Ghost fell upon him, and he stood up and prophesied many things which should shortly come to pass. And again, so soon as I had been baptized by him, I also had the spirit of prophecy, when, standing up, I prophesied concerning the rise of this Church, and many other things connected with the Church, and this generation of the children of men. We were filled with the Holy Ghost, and rejoiced in the God of our salvation.

Our minds being now enlightened, we began to have the scriptures laid open to our understandings, and the true meaning and intention of their more mysterious passages revealed unto us in a manner which we never could attain to previously, nor ever before had thought of. In the meantime we were forced to keep secret the circumstances of having received the Priesthood and our having been baptized, owing to a spirit of persecution which had already manifested itself in the neighborhood.”
JH 1:68

I told him I would respond shortly after I returned from the cruise.

My answer to him my surprise you and challenge your paradigm of priesthood that you have, as a result of years of indoctrination in the corporate church. The simple, yet shocking answer to the question is that the term “Priesthood of Aaron” is not always synonymous with the term “Aaronic Priesthood“-

priesthood of aaron

For a more detailed explanation with documentation, see the following video



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