Apostle Dallin H. Oaks vs. Denver Snuffer: “False Prophets are among us!”

June 15, 2015

In a remarkable turn of events, the LDS church has gone on the offensive against the claims and criticisms of Denver Snuffer and the Snufferite movement in what appears to be an effort to do damage control.

Approximately 22 months ago Denver Snuffer gave his address in Boise Idaho. (which I attended)

On June 13 2015, Apostle Dallin H Oaks and Assistant LDS Church Historian, Richard Turley Jr., showed up in Boise Idaho to address many of the criticisms that Snuffer and other wannabe prophets have leveled against the church over the years.

A recording of this event was apparently sent to John Dehlin who posted it on Mormonstories.

http://mormonstories.org/boise-rescue-oaks-turley/

This is a mega historical tipping point in the sense that this type of thing has not happened in modern times that I am aware of. It is almost unheard of  in modern times that a General Authority of the LDS Church has ever personally engaged in any kind of debate or LDS apologetics that is specifically directed against a contemporary person or fringe movement. Although Snuffers name was never mentioned during the presentation for obvious reasons, he and some of his outspoken followers appeared to be the primary “false prophets and false teachers” that the Boise saints were being warned about.

The details behind this visit and what meeting this address took place in is not clear to me. It was clearly not a priesthood meeting since a woman gave the closing prayer.

For as long as I can remember, general authorities of the church have always stayed safely tucked away in their Ivory Tower while “scholars” and “apologists” who have written for FARMS and FAIR have attempted to address the really difficult questions from skeptics and apostates.

The format of the presentation was quite interesting with Oaks and Turley doing a tag-team presentation taking turns speaking. Turley would provide historical context and Oaks would provide doctrinal context.

This is clearly a historical event of significance that shows at least some degree of desperation on the part of church leaders regarding the fall out that is currently taking place in the church.

Despite the recent denial from a church leader in General Conference that lots of Mormons are leaving the church, this special appearance of an apostle and a historian, to respond to the criticisms made by Snuffer and others, seems to indicate that the claim at General Conference was disingenuous. It appears that the public acknowledgment from  LDS Church Historian Marlin Jensen a few years ago, is true. He claimed that because Google has made it so easy for members of the church to research and become aware of extremely challenging and disrupting historical and doctrinal issues,  the LDS Church is experiencing the greatest apostasy since the Kirtland Apostasy,.

One of the questions addressed had to do with the claim that the current corporate church is not the same church that was restored and does not have the same authority.

Oddly, Apostle Oaks answered that question with a question. Then who has the authority? He quipped.

I was shocked to hear Turley imply that the succession issue between Rigdon and the Twelve Apostles was determined solely by the vote of the people and that the nearly unanimous vote was an indication of God’s approval. That seems to contradict what happened during Old Testament times when Israel voted to be led by a king instead of a prophet. Although God allowed apostate Israel to have their King, it was contrary to the will of God and it was detrimental to Israel.

Turley did not spend much time attempting to force some kind of succession protocol scenario to justify the transition of authority from Joseph Smith to the Twelve Apostles, on which the veracity Oaks and his fellow apostles rests. In previous times the official response of the church would have been to do so, however, thanks to Google and a host of Internet bloggers, the masses are more educated now than they used to be and leaders of the church now realize they are dealing with a much more sophisticated and educated audience both in and out of the church.

I am not going to take the time right now to do a critique of the entire presentation but I highly encourage anyone interested in these issues to listen to the address that Oaks and Turley gave. It is really quite interesting and entertaining.

 

[Editorial Note: I just came upon an excellent review of the Boise Rescue by the “Searcher”. Enjoy

http://onewhoissearching.com/2015/06/18/the-boise-rescue-and-the-prophetic-claims-of-the-church/  ]

For a follow up article regarding the two types of false prophets that Christ spoke of click on the link below

 

Two Kinds of False Prophets” Institutional vs. Non-institutional

 


Notable Emails #17 “Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.”

May 31, 2015

“Watcher, 

I was reading in Mal. 3 this morning when a peculiar phrase stood out to me in verse 4. 

4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years. 

I was actually reading in the Book of Mormon where Christ is recounting the last two books of Malachi to the Nephites for the latter days. 

I was pondering what the offering that was made by Judah and Jerusalem could have reference too.  

My mind was recalling that during the 2nd Watch Judah had reference the the Latter-Day Saints gathered in from the foreign missions to England and such and how Jerusalem had reference to Kirtland. 

It was at that moment that my eyes saw the phrase “and as in former years.” 

I was reading this verse as if I was at the end of the 2nd Watch (which I am) and anciently Judah and Jerusalem had offered something pleasant unto the Lord and in former or recent years as well. 

This clearly has reference to the 2nd Watch and the LDS Foundation movement that Joseph started. 

As for the offering both ancient and in the former years I don’t know what the Lord has reference too. 

Could he have reference to the Scapegoat Doctrine, at least for the former years part? I don’t think the Scapegoat that Moses provided counts because Jerusalem wasn’t settled yet and Moses was from the tribe of Levi. 

Thoughts?”

My response:

I believe the Atonement offering/scapegoat offering was an interim offering that prolonged the days of modern Israel upon the earth after they broke the covenant of sacrifice (consecration)  that they had entered into.

This interim atonement offering was to prolong Israel upon the earth until the 3rd watch when the telestial and terrestrial people who only “begin to believe” but never actually accept the fulness of the gospel, will actually be offered as an offering and sacrifice as their bodies are slain and laying upon the ground (Isaiah 66:16 D&C 58:9-20)  and the elect will offer up an offering that will be pleasing unto the Lord. (Isaiah 66:20)

That final offering is spoken of in other places as well.

In Psalms 50 it speaks of the end times when God’s people are gathered who have made a “covenant .. by sacrifice” (Psalm 50:5) When these people call upon God He will “deliver” them. (Psalm 50:15)

A key word search of “covenant” and “sacrifice” links Psalms 50 to D&C 97

“Verily I say unto you, all among them who know their hearts are honest, and are broken, and their spirits contrite, and are willing to observe their covenants by sacrifice—yea, every sacrifice which I, the Lord, shall command—they are accepted of me.

For I, the Lord, will cause them to bring forth as a very fruitful tree which is planted in a goodly land, by a pure stream, that yieldeth much precious fruit.

Verily I say unto you, that it is my will that a house should be built unto me in the land of Zion, like unto the pattern which I have given you.

Yea, let it be built speedily, by the tithing (consecration) of my people.

Behold, this is the tithing and the sacrifice which I, the Lord, require at their hands, that there may be a house built unto me for the salvation of Zion— (D&C 97:8-12)

Psalm 51 agrees with Section 59 that the acceptable offering of the saints unto God is a “broken heart and a contrite spirit” (Psalm 51:17) That is the answer to your question right there. The is the offering that is pleasant to the Lord.

Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit.

And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself unspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of prayer and offer up thy sacraments upon my holy day;

For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High;

Nevertheless thy vows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times;

But remember that on this, the Lord’s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.”

It appears to me that ancient and modern scriptures speak of the acceptable sacrifice by covenant (consecration) made possible by the daily sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit and the outer group ordinance (sacrifice-sacrament) of the Lord’s Supper.

Here is an excerpt from my book that addresses this issue with regard to the prophecies in the book of Daniel:

Prophetic Time Sequence #2

“. . . two thousand and three hundred days” (Daniel 8:14).

“Then I heard one Saint speaking, and another Saint said unto that certain Saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be” (Daniel 8:13-19).

How long does the daily sacrifice last before it is finally brought to an end by the transgression of desolation?

I would suggest that the above prophecy speaks about a 2,300 day period of time during which the daily sacrifice is made available through the restoration of the gospel and the grace of God’s spirit. Sadly, the daily sacrifice is mired with the transgression that results in the desolation of the sanctuary after it is cleansed. This 2,300 day period begins with the commandment to offer up a specified offering, and it culminates in a vision and the cleansing of the sanctuary. Sadly, during this time, a host of Saints, attempting to redeem the land of Zion, is trodden under foot.

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Figure #is a screenshot from an online date calculator showing that there is a time period of 2,300 days between April 3, 1836, and December 16, 1829. April 3, 1836, presents the date when the offering of the daily sacrifice came to an end. I am suggesting that December 16, 1829, represents the date the daily sacrifice was revealed and commanded in a revelation containing the “articles and commandments”[1] of the newly restored Church. Interestingly, the exact date of this revelation cannot be identified by any known historical documentation.

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This is one of the most obscure and most difficult prophetic time sequences found in the book of Daniel. I believe the 2,300 day period begins when the “daily sacrifice” is first revealed and it comes to an end on April 3, 1836, when the secret vision, in which the sanctuary was accepted by the Lord and is, thereby, cleansed by his presence, takes place behind the veil. However, as previously noted His appearance brings forth both a blessing and a cursing. The cursing delivers the Saints to the Levitical law, which, according to Joseph Smith, can only bring cursings[2] and the preparatory gospel. This would indicate that the Saints were being transformed over from the grace of gospel law, to the safety net of the law of mercy.

If we back up 2,300 days from April 3, 1836, it brings us to the date that the “daily sacrifice” is first revealed. Did anything of significance happen on that day? Was the daily sacrifice revealed on that day?

There is nothing of significance that historians have noted on that day. That is what I find so remarkable about this prophecy that is thousands of years old. When decoded, it not only leads us to the definition of what the daily sacrifice is, it also identifies the missing date of when a foundational revelation was given.

The Daily Sacrifice

 

One of the great mysteries that must be unlocked in order to understand the Book of Daniel is the meaning behind the word “Daily,” or what the translators have termed the “Daily Sacrifice.” This mysterious term shows up in five verses contained in three separate chapters in the Book of Daniel. The Book of Daniel informs us that Daniel was commanded to “shut up the words, and seal the book even to the time of the end” (Daniel 12:4).

Perhaps this is why the meaning behind the Daily Sacrifice and other prophetic events and terms within the book has been obscured and misunderstood by prophecy scholars. This is why the wording in these Daniel prophecies seems so convoluted. One is unable to interpret the meaning of these dark sayings based on the obscure narrative alone.

Bible prophecy scholars have guessed at the meaning of the term “daily sacrifice” and have, logically but incorrectly, assumed that perhaps it refers to the animal sacrifices and burnt offerings like the sacrifices that were offered anciently.

Even Ellen G. White,[3] who seldom came up speechless and without an opinion on any prophetic topic admitted that she did not have a clue what the term, “daily sacrifice” had reference to.[4]

I believe we are entering into the time of the end and that God, in his magnificent mercy, is now opening up to us an understanding of mysterious prophetic utterances that previously were shrouded in secrecy and obscurity.

I believe that modern revelation and the related historical events, reveal what the “daily sacrifice” is, and why it came to an end during the amazing secret visitation behind the veil in the Kirtland Temple. I believe the sealing up of the meaning of the term required the event contained in Section 110 of the Doctrine and Covenants to be kept secret for many years, and undecipherable for many years after the account was published.

When it is understood that the daily Sacrifice came to an end during the seven day sequence in the Kirtland Temple, the Book of Daniel becomes a prophetic testimony of the truthfulness of Section 110 and the LDS restoration movement.

The Daily

 

Words written in italic in the King James Version of the Bible, were not translated directly from the original text ,rather, they are inserted by the translators to give extra clarity, based on their interpretation of the text. This means that the literal translation of what is now translated as the Daily Sacrifice, was simply “the Daily.” Ellen White, a self-proclaimed prophetess and prophetic competitor to the prophet Joseph Smith, believed that the translators were not inspired to add the word “Sacrifice.” She believed the translation should have been left alone with just “the Daily.”

Apparently, Joseph Smith agreed with the translators with regard to the use of the term “daily sacrifice” because he did not change it or give additional clarity to it in the Inspired Version of the Bible or in any of his discourses.

The three chapters using the term “daily sacrifice” are contained in Chapters 8, 11,and 12 of the book of Daniel.

Obviously, the wording in the prophetic timelines given in the Book of Daniel is somewhat unusual and, therefore, can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. Another interesting thing, when dealing with prophetic timelines, is that there are generally multiple fulfillments of prophecy through religious history, and some may appear to fit the prophetic time sequences.[5]

 

Nevertheless, the Book of Daniel promises that at the time of the end, the wise will understand the cryptic prophetic meaning of the prophecies and the related timelines contained therein.

One of the great keys to unlocking the meaning in the cryptic narrative throughout the Book of Daniel is in identifying the contextual meaning of the term, “Daily Sacrifice” (also presented as “sacrifice”) which shows up at least six times in the Book of Daniel.

 

  • “Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away.”(Daniel 8:11)
  • “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression.”(Daniel 8:12)
  • “How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation”(Daniel 8:13)
  • “. . . in the midst of the week he shall cause the [daily ]sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”(Daniel 9:27)
  • “. . . they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.”(Daniel 11:31)
  • “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.”(Daniel 12:11)

 

A Broken Heart and Contrite Spirit

 

This term has befuddled prophecy scholars for centuries. Those who do not accept the revelations brought forth by the prophet Joseph Smith eliminate their chances of identifying the correct definition of the term. A simple keyword search of the word “sacrifice” in modern revelation quickly leads one to the explanation of what the ongoing, continuous sacrifice is that the Lord requires of his Saints who receive the fulness of the Gospel in the latter-days:

“Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself unspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of prayer and offer up thy sacraments upon my holy day; For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High; Nevertheless thy vows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times; But remember that on this, the Lord’s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.” (D&C 59:8-12)

Mystery solved.

The end times sacrifice, when the fulness of the Gospel is on the earth, that is to be offered up on the Lord’s Day, as well as on an ongoing day to day basis, on all days and at all times ,is a broken heart and a contrite spirit. I believe that passage in modern revelation reveals that the “daily sacrifice” of a “broken heart and a contrite spirit” is the “daily sacrifice” of which the Book of Daniel speaks .

Interestingly, the Old Testament had already provided commentary which provides a second witness, but it can only be appreciated once modern revelation points to and defines the term as the daily sacrifice. Notice how David’s Psalm identifies the broken heart and contrite spirit as being the sacrifices to be offered up at the time of Zion:

“Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving kindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly  from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me .Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit .Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee Deliver me from blood guiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise .For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar” (Psalms 51:1-19).[6]
The Book of Mormon has numerous references to this term as well. In 2 Nephi 2:7 we are informed that it is only those who offer up this daily sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit that will have the “ends of the law” answered in their behalf by the Lord sacrifice:

“Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth. Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered” (2 Nephi 2:6-7).

Perhaps one of the most astonishing references to the broken heart and contrite spirit is in Ether 4:10 where we are informed that one of the great signs that the final work of the Father has begun is that people will once again manifest a broken heart and a contrite spirit.[7]

Again, one thing that makes this prophetic sequence unique from the other eight we are reviewing is that one of the dated events is missing.In this mathematical sequence the prophecy in the Book of Daniel would be revealing an obscure date that even LDS historians do not know!

If we back up exactly 2,300 days from April 3, 1836, it takes us to December 16, 1829.[8] If we do a keyword search to find out which revelations, and particularly the first revelation in which the term “broken heart and contrite spirit” is introduced, it amazingly shows up in Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants! This Section was known as the articles and covenants of the church and was introduced at the formal organization of the church in April of 1830.

“And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humble themselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall be received by baptism into his church” (D&C 20:37).

This is absolutely incredible. Our search for the definition of “daily sacrifice” first led us to the commandment given in Zion, explaining what the term meant and the command to ceremonially offer the sacrifice each Sabbath. It also informs us that the broken heart and contrite spirit is to be offered continuously, even daily.

From there, our search to find the originating commandment in relation to this last great sacrifice of man, led us to the first foundational revelation which provides the protocols and saving ordinances of the restored church.

Embedded within the baptismal covenant protocol, are the requirements to come forth with a broken heart and a contrite spirit and make a public confession before the church that one has repented of all of their sins, are willing to take upon themselves the name of Jesus Christ, and have received  the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins.

Interestingly, it is unknown when the original date of Section 20 is. The Joseph Smith Papers project site has this to say about the date of the revelation:

“The dating of the first completed draft of Articles and Covenants is uncertain . . .”[9]

If, in fact, this prophetic time sequence in the book of Daniel is referring to the original declaration that the Saints are to offer up a daily sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then we have recovered a previously unknown historical date by studying the ancient prophecies in the Book of Daniel!

Satan is Cast Down from Heaven

Before leaving the topic of this particular prophetic time sequence, it is interesting to note that Chapter 8 of Daniel provides a narrative of Satan being cast down to the earth to overcome the Saints of the latter-days and cause them to transgress and stop the daily sacrifice from being made. Let us revisit the passage in Daniel 8 with a few of the preceding Verses:

“And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant l and.And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered. Then I heard one Saint speaking, and another Saint said unto that certain Saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (Daniel 8:9-14).

It may seem spectacular and undocumented to suggest that the casting of Satan out of heaven took place at the time of the LDS restoration but let me remind you about a very significant event that is often forgotten.

At the Morley Farm the priesthood brethren experienced some remarkable endowments of the spirit. Some of them even had the heavens parted and saw the Father and the Son. However, they also became oppressed and afflicted by Satan and his minions. Several people became possessed. Finally, Satan himself was literally cast down into the midst of these brethren .Note the following testimony:

“During the meeting the power of the darkness were made manifest in a remarkable degree . . . Joseph .Rebuked the spirit . . . from the house upon which the spirit left . . . and went outside, among the crowd of men standing near the door and made a swath among them several feet wide, throwing them violently to the ground. Joseph said this was the fulfillment of the scriptures where it says the man of sin should be revealed . . .”[10]

Joseph was declaring that the Saints of the restored church had just witnessed the literal fulfillment of the prophecy in 2 Thessalonians 2:

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand .Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition” (2Thessalonians 2:1-3).

Directly following the special conference, within just a few days after this amazing event, the Lord gave a revelation in which he said:

“And again, I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving the nations.” (D&C 52:14)

Incredible.

The Lord acknowledges that the casting down of Satan at the Morley Farm was quite literal and that Satan’s literal entry into this world was not a temporary event. He had truly been cast out of heaven and gone forth from the Morley Farm, deceiving the nations. End times prophecy was taking place.

The significance and literalness of the fulfillment of the above prophecy cannot be overstated. Satan was cast to the earth during the special conference at the Morley Farm. The vivid description provided above indicates that Satan literally created a “swath among them several feet wide, throwing them violently to the ground” as he stormed through a crowd of physical bodies, physically throwing them to the ground as he ventured into the earth to deceive the nations. Satan’s spiritual power upon the physical world as he cut the swath, violently throwing men to the ground, is consistent with the fact that, at the same event, a two hundred pound man was thrown across the room.

Years later, when the church was experiencing great turmoil in Nauvoo, Joseph would reminisce about the experience at the Morley Farm and exclaim:

“I have reason to think that the Church is being purged. I saw Satan fall from heaven . . . All these are wonders and marvels in our eyes in these last days. So long as men are under the law of God, they have no fears.”[12]

God’s promise, from 1829, that he would deliver the Saints over to Satan, was literally linked to and being fulfilled by the casting of Satan out of heaven, down to the earth. Sadly, the Saints were no longer under the law of the gospel for they had broken it.

The prophecy given by John the Revelator in Chapter 12 of the Book of Revelation provides commentary about what had just begun at the Morley Farm:

“And there was a war in heaven Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him” (Revelation 12:7-9).

The remainder of that prophecy is covered in detail in Chapter 10 and it explains in vivid detail what happens after the event. Mormon’s have been conditioned to believe that Satan was cast out of heaven in the pre-existence but that interpretation does not square with scriptures. Of course, it is possible that during the course of this mortal probation and the ongoing war with Satan, that he has been cast out of heaven multiple times.[13]Indeed the New Testament verifies tht he was lurking around in this world at that time. It also informs us that Satan is the God of this world.[14]
Regarding the timing of when Satan would “encompass the Saints round about” in conjunction with his fall from heaven, compare the wording between the text in Section 76 and the text in Joseph Smith’s poem about Section 76:[15]

 

D&C Section 76 25-29 Joseph Smith’s Poem about Section 76
“And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
“And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning. And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen!is fallen, even a son of the morning!
“And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—“Wherefore, he maketh war with the Saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.”
“And I saw and bear record of warfare in heaven;For an angel of light, in authority great, Rebell’d against Jesus and sought for his power, But was thrust down to woe from his glorified state.“And the heavens all wept, and the tears dropp’d like dew,

“That Lucifer, son of the morning, had fell!

“Yea, is fallen! is fallen and become, oh, alas!

“The son of perdition, the devil of hell!

 

“And while I was yet in the spirit of truth,

The commandment was–Write ye the vision all out,

For Satan, old serpent, the devil’s for war,

And yet will encompass the Saints round about.”

 

One of the more profound clarifications in the poem is the fact that, after being cast down from heaven, Satan would make war with the Saints and encompass them ‘round about. According to the poem, that event of being encompassed about by Satan, was still a future event as of February 16, 1832, when Section 76 was given.

We have documented in this work that the event took place shortly thereafter. Truly, we are encompassed about by Satan and his minions to this very day and should be crying out mightily for deliverance. Those of us whoare watching and ready to receive the fulness when it is ushered inare in the same situation that the Saints were in at the beginning of the LDS restoration movement:

“And there are none that doeth good except those who are ready to receive the fulness of my gospel, which I have sent forth unto this generation” (D&C 35:12).

Indeed, the Saints must once again be  gathered by the servants of the Lord and have the fulness of the Gospel restored to them and to offering up the daily sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit before the Lord will once again appear to them in secret while the rest of the earth wallows in confusion and chaos.

 

 

 

 

 

[1] The “Articles and Commandments,” also known as Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants was used by the early missionaries to do prosylatizing. Lyndon Cook notes:Section 20 was considered, by the early missionaries, a very important document. Many of them recorded the revelation in its entirety in their diaries to be quoted in their preaching. Additionally, priesthood certificates stated that the bearer had been ordained “according to the Articles and Covenants of the Church.” When Lincoln Haskin desired to preach the gospel in 1832, a revelation stipulated that he should “be ordained and receive the articles and covenants which I have given unto you and some of the commandments that he may go forth and proclaim my gospel” (“Kirtland Revelation Book,” p. 10).[RJS, 31 n2.]

 

 

[2] “The priesthood of Levi consisted of cursings and blessing carnal commandments and not of blessings and if the preisthood of this generation has no more power than that of Levi or Aron or of a bishhoprick it administers no blessings but cursings. . .” (http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1843/27Aug43.html).

[3] One of the leaders of the early Seventh Day Adventist movement

[4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1O6wSEkYIc

[5] Some prophecy scholars change the word days to years, etc.,  to arrive at the prophetic paradigms that they propose. My contention is that all of the time related words in prophecy are meant to be interpreted literally with the exception of any changes made by the inspired revison of the Bible done by Joseph Smith.

[6]See also Psalm 34.

[7] “Come unto me, O ye Gentiles, and I will show unto you the greater things, the knowledge which is hid up because of unbelief. Come unto me, O ye house of Israel, and it shall be made manifest unto you how great things the Father hath laid up for you, from the foundation of the world; and it hath not come unto you, because of unbelief. Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you—yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel. And then shall my revelations which I have caused to be written by my servant John be unfolded in the eyes of all the people.  Remember, when ye see these things, ye shall know that the time is at hand that they shall be made manifest in very deed. Therefore, when ye shall receive this record ye may know that the work of the Father has commenced upon all the face of the land. Therefore, repent all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me, and believe in my gospel, and be baptized in my name; for he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned; and signs shall follow them that believe in my name. And blessed is he that is found faithful unto my name at the last day, for he shall be lifted up to dwell in the kingdom prepared for him from the foundation of the world.  And behold it is I that hath spoken it.  Amen” (Ether 4:13-19).

[8]Give or take a day, depending on whichcalendaring parameters you use.

[9]“Articles and Covenants, circa April 1830 [D&C 20].” The Joseph Smith Papers (website). Retrieved from http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/articles-and-covenants-circa-april-1830-dc-20

[10] The Savior in Kirtland by Anderson, pg.76.

[11] Testimony of Zebedee Coltrin http://www.todayinmormonhistory.com/2013_02_01_archive.html

[12]This observation by Joseph Smithparalled the Christ’s. He made the following observation during his earthly ministry, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Luke 10:18 this supports the supposition that Satan has fallen from heaven more than once and that those occasions accompany the preaching of the gospel(http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T6.html).

[13] There is reason to believe that Satan must be lurking around the earth decieving the nations whenever the greater light is on the earth but not necessarily litereally here when it is not.

[14] 2 Corinthians 4:4.

[15]Joseph Smith, J. (n.d.). “The Vision.” Dictated to W.W. Phelps, Esq. Retrieved from http://mldb.byu.edu/jsmith1.htm. One can gain great benefit by studying Joseph Smith’s poem side by side with Section 76. See: https://faculty.cs.byu.edu/~clement/rel325/vision-poem.pdf


Notable Emails #16 “the Lord wouldn’t give a young church such responsibility so early”

May 12, 2015

Watcher,

When ever I speak to others about the fullness of the priesthood and Morely’s farm I usually get the same response that the Lord didn’t give the fulness to JS until later in his life in Nauvoo.

It’s always the Lord wouldn’t give a young church such responsibility so early. He had to grow them up first.

I like how well they know the Lord and his will for his people. :)

So I thought to do a little research and see what the Lord’s pattern really was.

Mosiah 18

Alma baptizes the people. Then immediately afterward he’s commanded them to live what looks like a form of consecration

27 And again Alma commanded that the people of the church should impart of their substance, every one according to that which he had; if he have more abundantly he should impart more abundantly; and of him that had but little, but little should be required; and to him that had not should be given.

Then in Mosiah 26 Alma is given the promise of eternal life from God’s own mouth out of heaven.

20 Thou art my servant; and I covenant with thee that thou shalt have eternal life; and thou shalt serve me and go forth in my name, and shalt gather together my sheep.

So in that instance the Lord has a people willing to take upon them His name, they share their substance with one another and the Lord reveals from heaven that His servant shall have eternal life. There isn’t much more about that until Alma 13.

But it seems to me that with Alma after they’re baptized, they enter into consecration and receive of the fullness.

The same with the saints of the restoration movement.

I looks like this was the case with the saints of the New Testament time as well. After they were baptized unto the Holy Ghost in Acts 2 it says:

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

Moses, the same. He tried to give them the fullness after baptizing them in the Sea as stated in 1 Cor. 10.

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

But they rejected it.

So it seems that my superficial research has yielded me the pattern of the Lord in the matter. That He quickly moves to have His saints consecrate with him and receive of the fullness not much after their baptism.

So the idea that the Lord delayed his pattern for the Latter-day Saints is unfounded because He’s a God that changeth not.

Have you every researched out this pattern before. If so, have you blogged out it? Did I miss it somewhere? What’s missing in my approach?

“RN”

My response

Great observations!

I have always maintained that the fulness happens very quickly once the gospel is restored and I have addressed the topic in different ways but I have not really approached it in the sense that you just did.

One of the most revealing topical searches a person can do in the D&C is to chronologically list everything the Lord says about the law of consecration, including the benefits of living it, and the consequences of not living it once it is commanded.

I think Latter day Saints in general have a huge blind spot with regard to the significance of the law of consecration and how serious of a group sin it is when the law is entered into and then rejected. This comes in part from the ridiculous temple ceremony that enables people to give lip service to the law without having to actually live it. I think many people actually think they are living consecration via their temple vows. The temple endowment offers the wealthy and sophisticated, a way to sacrifice without sacrificing. They can continue to own their mansions and cabins and toys and go on cruises and trips and enjoy class distinction while still thinking they are living the law of consecration.

I think one of the things I try to point out in the fifteen year timeline of Joseph’s ministry is that within two years after the knowledge of the fulness of the gospel was restored, along with the saving ordinances, , the fulness of the gospel/priesthood was restored which lasted for exactly 3 1/2 years before it was lost to the saints.

timeline book

(Click on Graphic to Enlarge)

During the preparatory two year period that preceded the fulness, between March of 1829 and June of 1831, even though the lineal priesthood offices were restored to perform the ordinance of baptism, the Lord informs us that “all flesh” was corrupt. (D&C 38:11) That declaration of the Lord is categorical and it included the baptized members of his restored church. In other words, something more was necessary to bring about sanctification.

 

timelinebook first period

The power to sanctify people did not emerge until  the 3 1/2 year period when the Melchizedek Priesthood  was restored in June of 1831. It was not until after the fulness was restored in 1831 that Joseph and others received the confirming of their oath and covenant and received  their sanctification (See D&C 84 & 88)

“The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the keys of all the spiritual blessings of the church—” D&C 107:18

 

timelinebook8 second period

Getting back to your search in the Book of Mormon regarding the law of consecration and the pattern that you have found. It becomes apparent that any time a group of saints have the fulness, they are living consecration or getting ready to do so very soon. Conversely, there is another pattern that is provided in the Book of Mormon regarding Consecration having to do with the consequences of breaking the law once it has been entered into.

One of the most sobering historical events that is documented about this law is found in 4th Nephi where it informs us how and why the time of fulness came to an end among the Nephites after three and a half generations of being blessed by it.
1 AND it came to pass that the thirty and fourth year passed away, and also the thirty and fifth, and behold the disciples of Jesus had formed a church of Christ in all the lands round about. And as many as did come unto them, and did truly repent of their sins, were baptized in the name of Jesus; and they did also receive the Holy Ghost.
2 And it came to pass in the thirty and sixth year, the people were all converted unto the Lord, upon all the face of the land, both Nephites and Lamanites, and there were no contentions and disputations among them, and every man did deal justly one with another.
3 And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift.
10 And now, behold, it came to pass that the people of Nephi did wax strong, and did multiply exceedingly fast, and became an exceedingly fair and delightsome people.
11 And they were married, and given in marriage, and were blessed according to the multitude of the promises which the Lord had made unto them.
12 And they did not walk any more after the performances and ordinances of the law of Moses; but they did walk after the commandments which they had received from their Lord and their God, continuing in fasting and prayer, and in meeting together oft both to pray and to hear the word of the Lord.
13 And it came to pass that there was no contention among all the people, in all the land; but there were mighty miracles wrought among the disciples of Jesus.
15 And it came to pass that there was no contention in the land, because of the love of God which did dwell in the hearts of the people.
16 And there were no envyings, nor strifes, nor tumults, nor whoredoms, nor lyings, nor murders, nor any manner of lasciviousness; and surely there could not be a happier people among all the people who had been created by the hand of God.

 

24 And now, in this two hundred and first year there began to be among them those who were lifted up in pride, such as the wearing of costly apparel, and all manner of fine pearls, and of the fine things of the world.
25 And from that time forth they did have their goods and their substance no more common among them.
26 And they began to be divided into classes; and they began to build up churches unto themselves to get gain, and began to deny the true church of Christ.

 

 

 

 

 


Notable Emails #15: “It would be so hard to do if we didn’t have the word crunching software available to us to use. Now I can see why so many are deceived. “

May 6, 2015

“Watcher,

I was studying D&C 88:52-62 about the Lord visiting different kingdoms. It brought me to OP’s remarks on the Lord visiting other planets. I don’t believe that theory. 

So I tried to make sense of it. 

If the Lord’s time is 1,000 of our years to equal 1 of His days then 12 hours for him would be 500 years to us or roughly 42 of our years for every hour He visits. 

Still nothing. LOL. 

I also stumbled upon JS’s remarks at the April 1844 conference. On April 8th he shared that all of America is Zion and that the scriptures support this. 

Have you found that to be true in your research?

At first blush I can’t see that being the case. That both South and North America are all Zion or the gathering place with Independence being the central location. 

Another thing that caught my attention is that JS make reference to the Lord giving Moses Aaron and that the Lord has given the Saints the Elders to be JS’s mouthpiece. At this specific point he names Elder Adams. 

“He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don’t like it, you must lump it. I have been giving Elder Adams instruction in some principles to speak to you.” (April 8, 1844.) DHC 6:318-320.

There’s SO much here that I have in the past just taken as scripture because the prophet uttered it. I can’t tell you how many things I’m having to re-examine and truly rely on the spirit to teach and confirm for me. Not an easy thing. Sometimes the heavens just feel like they’re mute on the subject. 

Anyway, no need to reply just passing along some of my thoughts and recent findings. 

“R”

My replay

 

“Interesting observations and questions

Just 10 years ago I hung on every word uttered in all of the Nauvoo Discourses that Joseph gave. I am now seeing things much differently.

It is interesting how in the early Kirtland era, Joseph had been commanded to receive revelations and Sidney was commanded to prove the revelations from the scriptures.

Although Joseph was allowed to expound on the revelations, it was primarily Sidneys responsibility to do so because he understood the broader context of the revelations from the Holy Scriptures. He was not only much better as an orator, he understood the scriptures much much better than Joseph.

However a transition took place.

Something happened in Far West and Sidney went silent for five years.

It appears to be at about the time when Joseph publicly disrespected Sidney and humiliated Sidney in front of the army of Israel whilst they were engaged in wrestling matches on the Lord’s Sabbath.

From about that time forward, Sidney became silent and perhaps out of necessity, Joseph took the lead role of orator and teacher and eventually became somewhat of a prolific speaker, although he never held a candle to Sidney in his style and persuasive abilities.

I am not convinced that Joseph was ever commissioned to take over Sidney’s role as the chief teacher of doctrine.

During the last several years, I have begun to see additional issues with some of the things that Joseph taught in Nauvoo.

Obviously he was deceived with regard to polygamy and masonry and certain things he taught in the King Follett Sermon about the nature of God, but I don’t think his mistakes can be limited to those things.

For example, I have previously demonstrated that Section 124 was given AFTER the saints had already started building the Nauvoo Temple, which supports the my contention that the overall narrative of Section 124 is referring expressly to the boarding house, not the Nauvoo Temple.

I frankly cannot find one verse in the entire section that has strayed from the topic of the Boarding House and switched to the Nauvoo Temple.

I have also shown that after section 124 was given, the Saints on the building committee were using section 97 as the divine commission to build the Nauvoo Temple.

The problem with that is that 97 mandates the building of the temple with the “tithing of the people“.

“Yea, let it be built speedily, by the tithing of my people.” (D&C 97:11)

In other words, the saints needed to be living consecration and the fulness of the gospel and providing consecrated funds to fund the temple building project, yet, when the high council approached Joseph in Nauvoo, telling him that they were ready to re-implement the law of consecration, he told them the time was not right.

Hence, I think that either section 97 was erroneously being used as the mandate for the Nauvoo Temple OR it was the appropriate mandate, but it was not being followed properly.

In my opinion, the temple mentioned in section 97 needed to be built by those holding the fulness of the priesthood and living the fulness of the gospel, while the boarding house was a preliminary temple that could be built with patriarchal priesthood, with the ultimate goal of coming out of condemnation and restoring once again the fulness of the priesthood to the earth.

I am now frankly beginning to think that Joseph got ahead of himself on the Nauvoo temple and that the Boarding house of the Lord was really the only house God was commissioning at that time.

It looks like the Nauvoo Temple was the result of the abominations that the people were involved in, which is documented in section 124.

It never made sense to me that God was so urgent for two separate temples to be built in such a small amount of time.

Clearly the saints were dual minded to begin with, building their mansions and their masonic temples while trying to build the temple of the Lord in a “sufficient” time frame.

It simply does not make sense that the Lord was having two very different temples, requiring different priesthoods built at the same time while the fulness of the priesthood had been taken away from them.

Secondly, with regard to the Nauvoo temple, I have never felt good about all of the graven images of things in the heavens (sun moon and stars) that were put on the Nauvoo temple because that violates Gods commands in the OT that have never been revoked

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth Exod 24
 
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Duet 5
 
Not only were those graven images forbidden, but the criticisms of skeptics claiming the use occult images and pagan images are probably true.
nauvoo images 2
Pagan Graven Image of the Sun God employed in the building of the Nauvoo Temple.
My point is that God had promised that he would cover the eyes of the seers and deliver his people over to Satan. I think that he was doing that in Nauvoo and therefore, I scrutinize EVERYTHING that Joseph did and said in Nauvoo very closely to see which of it is congruent with God’s word and which is not. “
His next response:
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I am doing the same. It would be so hard to do if we didn’t have the word crunching software available to us to use. Now I can see why so many are deceived.  JST-M 24 

22 For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
25 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert [SLC]; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers [holy of holies]; believe it not.
23Behold, I speak these things unto you for the elect’s sake;
37And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come,
39So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;

I wonder why much of what we teach about JS comes from the Nauvoo period?

The stuff that really sets us apart from other Christian faiths.  Like the plurality of gods, polygamy and patriarchal priesthood temple ordinances. Most, if not all, contradict the previous revelations.


It’s like what we know and remember of JS isn’t really who he was or what he taught. It’s an image in the form of the world that we esteem. Much of what we understand in general about him has been a fabrication into a religious characterization of the Prophet for people to love, trust and revere.  

Not to mention the LDS church attacks its own doctrine.  

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/2475803-155/mormon-bishop-dismisses-teacher-for-using#sthash.rDypOF8r.gbpl&st_refDomain=m.facebook.com&st_refQuery= 

Crazy times indeed. “

That last link provided by “R” reminded me of some comments got several weeks ago by a lady we will call CC which I will share at this time:

Because the comments were closed in “The History Essays Addressing Controversial Issues”, I’d like to offer the following regarding Priesthood restrictions to the seed of Cain, omitting any remarks or quotes from Brigham Young, whom you dismiss as a valid source of legitimacy. Please address your opinion of the following:

Moses: 7:22 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them.

Book of Abraham in Pearl of Great Price: “”Pharaoh, being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days, seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers in the first generations, in the days of the first patriarchal reign, even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.”

Joseph Smith Jr. said: “I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South, will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind—wholly unacquainted with the gospel of Christ. It is my privilege then to name certain passages from the Bible, and examine the teachings of the ancients upon the matter as the fact is uncontrovertible, that the first mention we have of slavery is found in the holy bible, pronounced by a man who was perfect in his generation, and walked with God.

And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the decree of Jehovah, to the shame and confusion of all who have cried out against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in servitude! ‘And he said cursed be Canaan: a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem: and Canaan shall be his servant.—God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem: and Canaan shall be his servant.’ (Gen. 9:25–27.) Trace the history of the world from this notable event down to this day, and you will find the fulfillment of this singular prophecy.” (Apr. 1836, in Latter-day Saint’s Messenger and Advocate, vol. 2, no. 7, edited by Oliver Cowdery [Kirtland, Ohio: Published by F. G. Williams & Co., Apr. 1836], p. 290; paragraphing omitted.)

“Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species.” (Joseph Smith Jr., 2 Jan. 1843, “History of Joseph Smith,” The Deseret News [weekly], vol. 5, no. 52, edited by Albert Carrington [Great Salt Lake City: 5 Mar. 1856], p. 409; also History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, vol. 5, introduction and notes by B. H. Roberts [Salt Lake City, Utah: Published by the Church via Deseret News, 1909], pp. 217–18.)

“The notion of amalgamation is devilish!—And insensible to feeling must be the heart, and low indeed must be the mind, that would consent for a moment, to see his fair daughter, his sister, or perhaps, his bosom companion, in the embrace of a NEGRO!” (Oliver Cowdery, Apr. 1836, “The Abolitionists,” Latter-day Saint’s Messenger and Advocate, vol. 2, no. 7, edited by Oliver Cowdery [Kirtland, Ohio: Published by F. G. Williams & Co., Apr. 1836], p. 300.)

In the Book of Ezra, we read that “the people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass. … O our God, what shall we say after this? for we have forsaken thy commandments, which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands, with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their uncleanness.

Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons. … And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this; should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping? O Lord God of Israel, thou art righteous: for we remain yet escaped, as it is this day: behold, we are before thee in our trespasses: for we cannot stand before thee because of this.” (Ezra 9:1–2, 10–12, 13–15.)

“The curse is not yet taken off from the sons of Canaan, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who interfere the least with the purposes of God in this matter, will come under the least condemnation before Him; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the decrees of the Lord, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do His own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.” (Joseph Smith Jr., Apr. 1836, in Latter-day Saint’s Messenger and Advocate, vol. 2, no. 7, edited by Oliver Cowdery [Kirtland, Ohio: Published by F. G. Williams & Co., Apr. 1836], p. 290.)”

 

My reply:

“Thank you for you comments and the quotes that you provided.

If you know anything about me then you realize that my foundation is the holy word of God in the scriptures. Secondly, to the extent that their words are congruent with scripture, I also consider the words of modern prophets such as Joseph and Sidney. I am even willing to consider something that Brigham Young and his apostate brethren of the Utah Saints said if and when it happens to be consistent with the word of God

Let me share an observation with you regarding the three scriptural supports that you have offered to back up your supposition about priesthood restriction.

All three of them are not only pre New Testament, they were also made prior to the scattering of the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel among ALL of the heathen nations.

Why does this matter?

Because CONTEXT and TIMING is everything when it comes to this particular topic.

You see, prior to Israel being scattered, it is true that the chosen had been kept separate from the other seedlines and commanded not to mingle with them. Sadly, they did eventually mingle with the other seedlines.

Things have changed since those ancient times and after Israel was scattered.

Satan thought he could thwart the gospel plan by getting the chosen seedline to mingle with the other seedlines among the gentile/heathen nations.

But the God of Israel, who is always several steps ahead of old Scratch has told us that he will mystically gather his chosen seed from among ALL nations in the latter days despite the fact that they will be packaged in tabernacles of varying colors.

Because of the traditions of his fathers, Peter made the same mistake you are making when he had a prophetic vision to prepare his heart to take the gospel to the gentile/heathen nations.

“Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
nd there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.”

Of course it was contrary to the law Peter had been taught to eat unclean animals and furthermore, the deeper meaning of the vision was that Peter was to take the Gospel to those that had previously been labeled as unclean and unworthy of the Gospel.

Hence Peter sought to instruct the Lord, or, at the very least, show the Lord that he was holding fast to the law that he had been taught. therefore Peter exclaimed:

“Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.”

But Peter was in for a huge rebuke and paradigm change

” And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate,
18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
19 ¶ While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
24 And the morrow after they entered into Cæsarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Paul also understood this great secret as he began preaching the gospel among the gentiles declaring that God “hath made of one blood all nations of men

If you will search the New Testament, the Book of Mormon and the D&C, you will not find any scriptures the support the supposition that the separation of seedlines and associated laws pertaining to that fact still apply. Quite the opposite. We are now informed that the wheat and the tares are all mingled together and that color of skin and supposed seedline is not the requisite for participation in the gospel or the priesthood. The gospel is available to all who believe and the priesthood, when the true gospel is on the earth, is determined by prophecy. Indeed we are informed that the seedline of Christ is composed and identified by the following parameter:

“And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.
12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?” Mosiah 15:10-12

When Jesus was approached by the hypocrites that could show their lineage from abraham, who no doubt had the appearance of being white and delightsome, he exclaimed to them

“ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep..”

He then declared that the sole qualifying attribute that identifies a person, regardless of the color of their skin as one of his elect, is that they hear His voice and follow him:

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

So, I agree with the passages of scripture that you provided, when read in the proper context , realizing that they referred to the ancient times when the two general seedlines had been kept separate. However things had radically changed.

With regard to the statements of Joseph Smith, which were given in 1836 and 1844, I can also find statements by and his close associates that seem to contradict those, which were given during the early Kirtland era in the midst of the revelatory sweet spot of the restoration during a time when Blacks were given priesthood under his watch and full knowledge. However it is not necessary for me to take the time to dig through my notes to find them because the four standard works have made it very clear what the truth of the matter is on this subject.

Thank you for a thoughtful question and for visiting the blog!

 


Notable Emails #14 “who was the legal heir and successor of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.?”

May 2, 2015

I sometimes get emails from people in foreign countries who are curious about the true history of Mormonism.

This is a recent email from a fellow named Yaroslav

“That was actually a nice event to visit your blog this day and to read your unique and interesting materials. Greetings you!

Thank you much for your sincere and deep work.

Let me, please, ask you a question.

Some years ago I have read in one LDS publication very brief but an interesting mention.

It was about that after the martyrdom of Prophet Joseph Smith President Sidney Rigdon re-established the Church and the Kingdom and was crowned as some other his fellow brethren.

Can you tell me some more on that subject?

Thank you much.

Respectfully,

Yaroslav.”

My response:

Hi Yaroslav 

After the succession crisis following the martyrdom, the church split into seven main factions as noted in Wiki 

 succession

 The great prophet Moses had prophesied that God’s people Israel would eventually sin and not keep the commandments and would be smitten and scattered seven ways before their enemies;

‘The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt … flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth’. 

Of course the LDS Mormon/Brigham Young faction was one of the largest of the seven major factions and has grown to be much larger than all of the rest put together. 

I think you are correct that Sidney Rigdon probably did also have himself crowned king, but I am not sure. Brigham Young and some of his successors had themselves ordained king of Israel.  

My feeling is that the eyes of the prophets and seers of the restoration were covered because of the sins of latter day Israel. 

thank you for visiting my blog!” 

His reply: 

Greetings!

Thank you for a letter.

If it is not a personal secret how do you think who was the legal and identity heir and successor of Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.? “

My response:

“Hello again Yaroslav 

Very few people realize that after Hyrum Smith was called by revelation through Joseph Smith to be the co-prophet seer and revelator of the church, (D&C 124) Joseph later released himself from that calling, leaving Hyrum as the sole President and Prophet of the Church.  

A few years after receiving the revelation making Hyrum the co-President and Prophet of the church, working in concert with Joseph, Joseph declared that he would no longer prophesy for the church and that the church must recognize Hyrum as the prophet of the church. 

This was the fulfillment of the succession prophecy contained in section 43 of the D&C  which had promised that Joseph Smith would not have a successor until the Lord took him UNLESS he failed to ‘abide in the Lord’.

It promised that if Joseph did eventually fail to abide in the Lord, another successor would replace Joseph and that if that happened, the revelation in which Joseph’s successor would be chosen would come through Joseph. 

Hence, during the months leading up to and including the time of the martyrdom, Hyrum was the sole prophet and president of the church. 

Few people realize that Sidney Rigdon, who was also a member of the 1st Presidency, had also been ordained a prophet seer and revelator with ALL of the keys and powers that Joseph had previously held. 

Hence, the Lord had actually called, by revelation, through Joseph Smith, both Joseph’s successor and Hyrum’s successor! 

However, when the saints were voting between Sidney Rigdon who was the rightful Prophet Seer and Revelator to succeed Hyrum, and Brigham Young, they voted for Brigham Young.

Since Brigham was not a prophet seer and revelator, and since he would eventually have himself ordained as the king of Israel and would basically rule the saints with an iron fist like some of the ancient kings did, the saints were basically choosing to be led by a king instead of by a prophet, just as ancient Israel had done. 

The details about the succession crisis in Nauvoo are contained in this series of articles that I wrote years ago 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/the-law-of-succession-part-one/ 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/the-law-of-succession-part-two-2/ 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/the-law-of-succession-part-three/ 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/law-of-succession-part-four/ 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/the-law-of-succession-part-five/ 

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/the-law-of-succession-part-six-william-marks-warns-the-twelve-of-the-consequences-of-cutting-of-the-last-surviving-member-of-the-first-presidency/

Here is an article showing how William Law attempted to have a reformation of the church

https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/william-law-offer-a-reformation-and-bringing-about-the-chastisement-of-god-upon-the-fallen-servant-final/

 

 


Michael Quinn Speaks to Fundamentalists at Centennial Park

April 24, 2015

Mike Quinn will be coming out with his third Mormon Hierarchy book next year and he apparently just signed a book contract with the University of Utah Press to write “A detailed history of plural marriage among the Mormons from Sep 1890 to Dec 1907, or 1915 or 1925” or something to that effect.

According to the grapevine this will be a more detailed and comprehensive version of his original, famous Dialogue article on Church-authorized, post-manifesto plural marriage.

Quinn is definitely one of the great LDS Historians and he has paid a stiff price for the integrity he showed in publishing the truth.

Within the last few weeks Quinn gave a talk to a fundamentalist group that is absolutely fascinating and extremely informative.

If you are interested in finding out the real reason that Quinn was excommunicated and also some very interesting facts about relatively recent Mormon  history you will probably be spellbound listening to this talk and the following Q&A.

Quinn, who is generally not an emotional person when giving talks, begins sobbing in this talk because of some of the heart breaking information he gives about decisions that church has made about forcing polygamists who married multiple wives legally in foreign nations, to discard their other wives in order to join the church.

He reveals a personal conversation he had with Gordon Hinckley wherein Hinckley confesses that he does not know very much about church history and doubts that any of the other General Authorities do either. Of course that is quite obvious to any of us that have studied church history, however the fact that he admits it is noteworthy.

The sad part about what Quinn is doing is that it will justify fundamentalists in their polygamy and it may even provide the impetus for the Snufferites and possibly even the modern church to eventually start practicing it.

While I love the research that Quinn has done, and the controversial history that he has shared, it is sad that he is so doctrinally ignorant and unable to discern the truth about polygamy.

Here is the video smf here is the text of his talk that was recently given at Centennial Park. The audio on the video becomes corrupted for a while during the Q and A.

 

Enjoy.


“If you will listen to and obey the words of my mortal Servant, the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against you”

April 22, 2015

One of the most amazing declarations and prophecies in modern revelation is found in section 21.

In that section, the Lord commands (and prophesies about) the canonization of the revelations that Joseph had been and would in the future, be receiving.

This revelation was given on the same day that section 20, containing the articles of the church, was given. It was given on the day that the church was formally organized.

In this revelation the saints were commanded to publish and canonize the revelations that Joseph Smith was receiving.

If Joseph Smith had been an impostor, making up revelations about prophecy and doctrine and instruction, out of thin air, canonizing over 100 make-shift revelations, (some being extemporaneously given in front of others), for the whole world to see, study, search and compare to the Bible, it would have been a very foolish disaster.

This is because it is impossible for a human being to fabricate that many revelations without having many of them contradict each other and contradict the other three canons of scripture. In fact most human beings cannot even fabricate one revelation without getting tripped up by the true word of God.

Talk about putting yourself out there for scrutiny!

What charlatan that is fabricating scripture would be stupid enough to provide so much rope for people to hang him with?

Imagine canonizing over 100 revelations about doctrine and prophecy, as well as day to day counsel for the saints that needs to also be congruent with the principles, commandments and declarations previously given in ancient scripture.

This is one of the many reasons I stand amazed at the D&C as well as the Book of Mormon, the New Testament and the Old Testament. The consistency of the meticulous doctrinal and prophetic content and narratives in ALL of these canons of scripture, not only within themselves, but also cumulatively, is simply mind-boggling.

Not only is the content within the D&C consistent with the other canons of scripture, it often clarifies and adds to the content in the previously canonized snippets from the mouth of God. Many of the ancient scriptural passages don’t even make sense until they are viewed in light of modern revelation.

I have probably done over 10,000 keyword searches in the scriptures ever since my employer forced me to become computer literate many years ago to verify consistency.

I pay close attention to the exactness of words and phrases and concepts because I have been comparing these words, phrases and doctrinal concepts between the various canons of scripture to verify the consistency and congruence of God’s Holy WORD in scripture

I love it when those who are claiming to be prophets actually provide “Thus sayeth the Lord” revelations of their own for me to read because it gives me the opportunity to see how congruent their revelations are with the canons of scripture that we have sustained as the word of God.

In modern revelation we have a challenge from God for those who were to bear testimony of the truthfulness of the revelations in the book of Commandments, but were fearful and doubtful about their veracity, to find fault with one of them, or make one up out of thin air that could pass scrutiny.

“Now, seek ye out of the Book of Commandments, even the least that is among them, and appoint him that is the most wise among you; Or, if there be any among you that shall make one like unto it, then ye are justified in saying that ye do not know that they are true; But if ye cannot make one like unto it, ye are under condemnation if ye do not bear record that they are true.” (See Section 67)

The historical narrative of that event informs us that he who considered himself the most wise among those that were doubting, actually took it upon himself to construct a revelation and thusly humiliated himself in front of his associates with the utter foolishness of what he wrote.

In 2 Timothy, Paul gives some really important counsel

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

We need to study the scriptures to be approved of God.

We need to study the scriptures to be able to “rightly divide the word of truth“. We need to correctly interpret what the passages are saying and be able to separate the meaning of passages that otherwise seem contradictory with a surface reading.

We need to become intimately familiar with the scriptures in order to detect the false prophets that arise among us claiming to be holy vessels and oracles of God.

Section 21 informs us that Joseph Smith was inspired to “lay the foundation” of the restored church and to “build it up to the most holy faith.

I would submit to you that that short sentence contained a reference to the second watch and also to the third watch. That is the amazing thing about reading the words of God because all time, past, present and future is continually before his eyes and therefore his words to us often include references to the past present and future.

I am going to suggest that the building up of the church unto the most holy faith is primarily a reference to Joseph’s calling in the third watch.

I am not taking anything away from Joseph’s efforts in the second watch.

Clearly he was successful in restoring the fulness of the gospel/priesthood for a three and a half year period of time in which an intercession was made, however, the Gentile church cumulatively rejected the fulness after receiving it and the Church and Kingdom of God fled back into the wilderness after the prophetic 3 1/2 year period.  The church and world have been in a state of darkness and apostasy from that time to the present.

I just don’t think that history or the scriptures would categorize Joseph’s effort and accomplishments during his 2nd watch ministry as having built up the church to the most holy faith. Certainly not in the long term.

Therefore, I interpret the above snippet from Section 21 to be referring to the last restoration during the Marvelous Work and a Wonder, when the cause of Zion will be realized.

That is when Joseph will ultimately be successful in building up the church to the “most holy faith”.

Section 21 notes that Joseph has been inspired to “move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good

Did Joseph move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good during the 2nd watch?

Was that accomplished following the restoration of the church back when Joseph was alive?

I would suggest not.

Clearly it is a prophecy of a future event when Joseph returns to the vineyard to complete his stewardship, as prophesied of in sections 101 and 103 and other passages..

In section 21 the saints of the newly established church are given this most sobering commandment:

“Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.”

The above passage is just pregnant with inspired counsel and doctrine and prophecy.

First, it is informing us that when God establishes his church, He speaks to his people through a designated Prophet with a capital “P”.

Every Saint is commanded and expected to be inspired of the Holy Ghost, and therefore to be a prophet with a small “p”, and to be inspired for themselves, for their own personal stewardships on a day to day basis. Furthermore, they are responsible for getting a witness from the Holy Ghost that the sayings, pronouncements and teachings of the Prophet are true. But the general word of God to the church as a whole, always comes through a Prophet with a captical “P” who is a Prophet, Seer and Revelator and has been called and ordained by God’s voice out of heaven, and sustained by the church through the law of common consent.

This is why modern revelation informs us that the President of the Church is to be like Moses:

“And again, the duty of the President of the office of the High Priesthood is to preside over the whole church, and to be like unto Moses—
Behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.”

As you can see, Moses is the grand prototype for the President of the High Priesthood and Church, when the fulness of the Gospel is on the earth. Even if Joseph was to have successors as the Prophet and President of the Church, they would need to qualify as being “like Moses”, and they would need to be Prophets Seers and Revelators.

The above passage informs us that the saints are to receive the revelations uttered by the President of the church who is like Moses, as if they came from the mouth of God… because they did come from the mouth of God.

The next observation I would share is that the saints are only supposed to “give heed” to the “words and commandments” which the President of the High Priesthood gives, when he is “walking in holiness before [the Lord]”.

How is that for a caveat?

This is where the need for being a prophet with a small “p” becomes so critically important.

It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

This is part of the grand test, to be able to spiritually discern when a Prophet is actually speaking as a Prophet.

This means it is possible for the President and Prophet of the Church to fall from grace and teach false doctrine and give false commandments. This is completely consistent with the protocol given in the D&C which provides instructions on how to excommunicate the President of the church.

Another reason why the President of the Church who is like Moses, might stop walking in holiness before the Lord is if he, like Moses, offered up an intercessory atonement offering in behalf of Israel. That is exactly what Moses did anciently.

This would place the sins of the people upon his head, causing him  to sin, just like Moses sinned anciently.

As you can see from section 21, God actually uses fallible mortal men as his mouthpiece to give his teachings and commandments to the people and to bless and test the people.

Now then, here is the promise associated with the saints that are accepting and listening to God’s Prophet when he is walking in holiness before the Lord:

“For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you”

This is a grand principle and promise  that has been given to the saints of God in helping them to avoid being deceived anytime the true church is on the earth.

If the Prophet of the Church is walking in holiness before the Lord and the Saints use their personal discernment to know that the Prophet is walking in holiness,and truly delivering God’s word to them,  they can avoid being swallowed up by the gates of hells by following the President of the Church who is a true Prophet of the Lord.

Imagine that! We can avoid being prevailed against by the gates of hell by listening to and following the counsel of a mortal man as long as he is ordained of God, sustained by the saints, and walking in holiness before God.

Now then, there has been a lot of chatter on the Internet of late about how Joseph Smith was only called to translate the Book of Mormon and that his “thus sayeth the Lord” revelations are false.

Those making that claim are false teachers.

There has been a lot of chatter on the Internet stating that we don’t need a main prophet to lead us and that we should all just be our own prophet and have a direct relationship with the Lord.

That is a false doctrine.

They reject the “strongman” doctrine that shows up countless times in prophecy stating that one mighty and strong, like unto Moses, will lead the saints of the church in giving doctrine and commandments from the mouth of God and ultimately, it will be one who is mighty and strong that will lead the saints out of bondage into Zion.

Those making the claim, that we don’t need a main prophet to lead us are false teachers.

They either don’t study the scriptures or they don’t understand them, or they simply don’t believe the infallible word of God.

The belief that we should each just get our own revelation and do our own thing is contrary to the pattern set in the New Testament and 3 Nephi. The belief that somehow, mystically, everyone will receive the exact same revelations with regard to how Zion will be achieved, and Zion will mystically emerge, is ridiculous. God has never worked that way in the past and his prophecies about the future establishment of Zion do not depart from the doctrinal and prophetic pattern already given.

There is now a person claiming to be a prophet that has offered up the following “thus sayeth the Lord” declaration from the Lord:

“Tell them, that they need not rely on any man, for if they do, the gates of hell will swallow them whole, leaving the Zion that could have come, desolate and bare.”

That supposed pronouncement from the Lord was followed by the following commentary:

” I mean I have to laugh, haven’t we all had enough of organized religion? Haven’t we all had enough of some leader mistakenly thinking we need them? “

While section 21 informs us that the only way for the church to avoid being swallowed up by the gates of hell is to follow the designated man that God has called as the president and prophet of the church, the revelation quoted above appears to be saying just the exact opposite.

Remember what I said about being able to spot a false revelation ifyou treasure up the word of God?

Bingo.

The above revelation and associated commentary appears to me to be 100% contrary to what the Lord says in section 21, 43, 101,103, 107 and many other passages of scripture. Indeed it mocks the words, protocol  and prophecies of God to the church. It is easy to tell that this fellow has been initiated by the same false spirit that his spiritual mentor has been initiate with.

 

The exact same doctrine about the gates of hell and the importance of following God mortal leader is found in the New Testament regarding Peter. Just Google gates of hell.

The scriptures give two very strict admonitions for those desiring to avoid being deceived by the craftiness of men and devils.

The first is to “treasure up the word of God

“And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived” JST 1:37

Another is to take the Holy Ghost as your guide

“And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins.

 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day.”

One of the great secrets pertaining to the two passages above is that it is impossible to take the Holy Spirit as ones guide and avoid being deceived, if one has not studied to be approved of God and treasured up the Word of God.

You don’t get the Holy Ghost first and then study God’s word later. You don’t get the Holy Ghost while in a state of confusion and ignorance and then bypass studying the scriptures altogether.

You first study God’s word so that you can stand justified before the Lord and stand approved. Then you will be worthy of getting the endowment of the Holy Ghost.

I simply don’t believe you can take a short cut and bypass studying the scriptures to show yourself approved of God if you are literate and have the financial means to acquire a set of holy scriptures.

IMO, people who refuse to take the scriptures seriously and study them profusely, WILL ALWAYS BE DECEIVED AND WILL NEVER BE GIVEN THE ENDOWMENT OF THE HOLY GHOST AS THEIR GUIDE. And yet many of them become led by lying spirits and begin uttering prophetic statements that contradict Gods word.

They cannot become prophets with a small “p” being able to receive true inspiration for themselves and being able and willing to follow THE Prophet, because they have neglected to nourish themselves with the word of God as we have been commanded to do. (See Jacob 5 & 6)

The doctrine of following the prophet has gotten a lot of bad press in the alternative LDS blogging world recently and justly so, but not because it is a false doctrine. When a true prophet is on the earth, it is a true and essential doctrine.

The problem takes place when a true Prophet is not on the earth and people use the doctrine to justify following pretenders who are not Prophets that have been ordained by God HIMSELF.

Anyone desiring to avoid being deceived needs to immerse themselves in the word of God while bathed  in the spirit of God. By so doing, they render themselves quite able to easily spot a false revelation from a false prophet and false teachings from false teachers. By their fruits ye shall know them.

I have pasted section 21 below:

BEHOLD, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ,

2  Being inspired of the Holy Ghost to lay the foundation thereof, and to build it up unto the most holy faith.

3  Which church was organized and established in the year of your Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April.

4  Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

5  For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

6  For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.

7  For thus saith the Lord God: Him have I inspired to move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good, and his diligence I know, and his prayers I have heard.

8  Yea, his weeping for Zion I have seen, and I will cause that he shall mourn for her no longer; for his days of rejoicing are come unto the remission of his sins, and the manifestations of my blessings upon his works.

9  For, behold, I will bless all those who labor in my vineyard with a mighty blessing, and they shall believe on his words, which are given him through me by the Comforter, which manifesteth that Jesus was crucified by sinful men for the sins of the world, yea, for the remission of sins unto the contrite heart.

10  Wherefore it behooveth me that he should be ordained by you, Oliver Cowdery mine apostle;

11  This being an ordinance unto you, that you are an elder under his hand, he being the first unto you, that you might be an elder unto this church of Christ, bearing my name—

12  And the first preacher of this church unto the church, and before the world, yea, before the Gentiles; yea, and thus saith the Lord God, lo, lo!  to the Jews also.  Amen.

 


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