May 6, 2016

I recently got an email from a person who had purchased and begun reading “Solving the Prophet Puzzle“. (which has temporarily been reduced to just $19 until the final revision is ready)

In the email he said:

I recently bought your book from Amazon.
I understand it is not yet finalized and that you have people proof reading it for you…

He then made note of two minor inaccuracies that needed to be corrected in the book which I greatly appreciate. He then said:

I am now on page 34 and will report an inconsistency there that you may want to address.

You suggest that the condemnation expressed by Moroni in Mormon 8 is directed at the first generation of Mormons.

What churches did these early Saints adorn? (v37) And what of the fine apparel? Moroni is clearly describing a people other than those impoverished first generation saints.

Apart from these things I have found it an interesting read so far.

His assumption that Mormon 8 is referring to later generations of Latter day Saints is a very common one. Numerous readers of my blog have contacted me with the same view over the years. It is the reason that we have so many splinter groups running around trying to find out who currently has the priesthood keys to administer the fulness, or inventing novel ways of obtaining the priesthood. All of this in an attempt to preserve the restoration and claim the blessings thereof, that took place four generations ago.

People refuse to believe that the true Church of Christ that was restored by Joseph Smith has long since been rejected by the Lord and that the Gospel of Abraham was secretly ushered in with a preparatory gospel.

While I believe that the apostolic mandate given in Section 118 still gives a commission to leaders of the modern apostate church to spread the Book of Mormon, teach about the Gospel of Christ, and witness of the name of Christ, the fulness of the Gospel was rejected by the saints of the restoration by 1834 and God rejected the saints “as a church with their dead before the death of Joseph Smith.

This was my response to him regarding his criticism:

Thank you so much for the feedback… 

Regarding your last point.
I realize that that Mormon 8 appears to be more applicable to later generations of the saints as they became more wealthy and affluent… and I don’t disagree that much of the content does apply to later generations as well.
HOWEVER, I think that as you get further into the book and deeper into the history of the church, you will realize (regardless of whether you agree or not with my interpretations of history) that my reasoning for making that interpretation of Mormon 8, Is based on the documented facts provided in the book, that the saints of the restored church rejected the fulness of the gospel by 1834 and that prior to the death of Joseph Smith, the Lord rejected the saints as a church with their dead. 
That being the case, how could later generations after that be responsible for polluting the “holy church of God” when the holy church being referred to has not been on the earth since 1834?
As you continue you will find out how the “church of God” differs from the “church of Christ” and how the “Church of Christ” differs from the modern church.
You will also find out that the Lord took his name out  of the church of Christ in 1834 which is what Mormon 8 make reference to… etc. 
Furthermore, the church did divide into competing factions with the saints in Jackson County accusing the saints in Kirtland, etc., 
Wealth and prosperity actually did become a stumbling block to the saints during the Nauvoo period and some of the saints were putting their time and resources into building their fine homes and masonic lodges instead of building the temples, etc.

Mormon 8:38

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

It was  not until my response to him that I had actually connected the dots between Moroni’s observation that the saints of the restoration were ashamed to take upon them the name of Christ, with the historical fact that the name of Christ was officially taken out of the church in late 1834 as the saints were rejecting the fulness of the Gospel.

After having the name of Christ taken from them, the saints were petitioning the Lord in the dedicatory prayer in 1836, to reinstate his name back into the name of the church.

Furthermore, shortly after the dedication of the temple, the Lord would give an ominous warning to those of the leaders of the church that would profess to know the name of the Lord when in fact they don’t.

Although the Saints eventually reinserted the name of Christ into the name of the church, there is no evidence that they did so with the approval of God. ( I have demonstrated that Section 115 was a prophecy about a future time, not the reinstating of the name of Christ into the name of the church)

It is well documented that the Lord rejected the church with their dead in Nauvoo. Furthermore, they were not showing forth the fruits that are always associated with the true and living church of Christ..

my name 2

Over the years I have noticed that many of the dots can be connected through the use of keyword searches while others are more difficult to find because slightly different terminology is used. Once a person becomes aware of the secret history of the church and the real historical narrative, more and more dots become connected, but it takes time, study and lots of searching.

It never fails to amaze me how many significant doctrinal, historical and prophetic nuggets have been sitting in plain sight in front of my face over the years that I have failed to see initially. It is also interesting how much of what I learn comes from attempting to articulate what I have previously learned while responding to questions that people ask me or while responding to criticisms.

Impoverished Saints?

The person who contacted me made a common assumption about the “impoverished first generation saints” that I want to address.

Since responding to that email, it has occurred to me that I did not address the part of his criticism about how the Saints of the restoration were guilty of ADORNING their churches. This part of the question is really quite an interesting one because it highlights parts of LDS history that many people are not familiar with.

First, lets take a look at what the 1828 Websters Dictionary has to say about the word ‘adorn’.


ADORN’, v.t. [L. adorno, ad and orno, to deck, or beautify, to dress, set off, extol, furnish.

1. To deck or decorate; to make beautiful; to add to beauty by dress; to deck with external ornaments. A bride adorneth, herself with jewels. Isa. 6. To set off to advantage; to add ornaments to; to embellish by any thing external or adventitious; as, to adorn a speech by appropriate action, sentiments with elegance of language, or a gallery with pictures.3. To make pleasing, or more pleasing; as, great abilities adorned by virtue or affability.4. To display the beauty or excellence of; as, to adorn the doctrine of God. Titus 2.

ADORN’, n. Ornament. Obs.

ADORN’, a. Adorned; decorated. Obs.

I would suggest that the word adorn as defined in the above definition could be used to refer to decorating and beautifying the church as the term refers to the saints that make up the body of Christ, or to the church buildings that the saints meet in.

The fact that the following passage make distinct mention of “very fine apparel” and “adorning of your churches” would indicate that the later is speaking about adorning meeting houses.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

Although we often think of the saints of the restoration as being impoverished, particularly in the early New York and Kirtland years of the restoration, it is a well established fact that there was a segment of the well established members and leaders of the church in Nauvoo who had arrived from Kirtland and other places prior to the second in-gathering from across the great waters that were experiencing a degree of wealth and affluency. It is hard to believe that none of these apostate saints were adorning themselves with fine apparel and jewelry.

It is interesting to note that the New Testament addresses the importance of modesty, sobriety and  and humility in the way the saints dressed and how they should not be adorning themselves with fine apparel.

In the second chapter of Timothy, Paul addresses the importance of dressing modestly and avoiding braided hair and jewelry:

Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

In the third chapter of Peter, Peter reiterates a similar theme as Paul

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

For after this manner in the old time the holy womenalso, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands

Both Peter and Paul warned the women against adorning themselves with braided hair or of adorning the body with jewelry and fancy clothing. This was all vanity and pride. It was focusing on enhancing the beauty of the created instead of focusing on the majesty and mercy of our creator.

It is not inconceivable that married women who went to great lengths to look attractive in public could have been perceived as unfaithful to their husbands and to Christ when viewed the the lens of Biblical Christianity.

But it is not my desire in this post to address focus on the fine apparel and braided hair that no doubt was emerging in the city of Nauvoo as the saints of the restoration were becoming affluent.

I want to address the adorning of the church buildings, specifically the temple, since this is one of the often overlooked fruits of the LDS apostasy. The following statement from the LDS church website notes that Nauvoo went through a quick transition as the Saints continued to inhabit the area:

“After 1842 many of the early log homes were replaced with fine brick houses that still stand as evidence of the Latter-day Saint commitment to excellence.”

Is it a coincidence that the modern church refers to “FINE brick houses” and the passage in question refers to “FINE apparel“?


But again, what I want to focus on is the adorning of the Temple.

One of the amazing contrasts between Kirtland and Nauvoo is how the Kirtland Temple was a very plain and modest structure compared to the Nauvoo Temple which was adorned in various ways both within and without.

The adorning of the exterior with pagan images that violate the command of God to avoid graven images has already been addressed in previous posts.



side of nauvoo temple

An LDS merchandiser made the following observation while unwittingly using the term adorn:

“The beautiful inverted stained glass stars that adorn the top of the Nauvoo Temple have a meaningful history dating back to the early Christian church..”

nauvoo star

“When the Nauvoo Temple was rebuilt and dedicated in 2002, President Gordon B. Hinckley determined that the three-color stained glass windows would once again adorn the Temple.  The beautiful Morning Star windows again glow at night as they once did and remind us of the sacrifice of those early pioneers who loved the Lord.”

I find the use of the word adorn in the above copy and think it is noteworthy with regard to the declarations in Mormon 8 that the Nauvoo Temple was adorned inside of the temple with very beautiful and costly mirrors and extravagant paintings of Brigham Young and other leaders of the church who presided over the church after the death of Joseph Smith.

The following snippets were taken from an article in BYU Studies by Jill C Major

“In the first Nauvoo Temple, the celestial room was adorned with a number of splendid mirrors, paintings and portraits”. William Clayton who wrote this description, also recorded the subjects of the twenty-two of the known portraits that hung in the celestial room.

Their it is again. The use of the term “adorned” used by Jill Major. It was not inserted by me. You just can’t make this stuff up folks.

The article continues..

Brigham young: delivering the law of the lord-

Centered among the portraits on the east wall of the celestial room according to Clayton was the portrait of president Brigham Young placed where members would see the seven foot tall full body portrait of their leader immediately upon stepping into the room

Brigham Young offering the law of the LordAmazing.

Brigham Young has a very expensive and extravagant full body painting of himself done and has it placed in the celestial room of the Nauvoo Temple. It and many other pictures of the General Authorities were used to adorn the Temple.

They were placed there for everyone to see when they enter the celestial room. I have no idea how much the painting cost but I don’t think that “impoverished” people were investing in seven foot tall paintings of themselves.

It is curious that Brigham Young who was all but poverty stricken during the early Kirtland years and was called to the apostolic ministry as a life time occupation somehow within a relatively short period of time had the means during the Nauvoo period to build a fine brick house, have his children tutored and have multiple paintings of himself commissioned.

brigham youngs house in nauvoo

Brigham Young Home in Nauvoo


Continuing on with the Jill Major article in BYU Studies-

A portrait of Brigham Young already existed. A bust view which was possibly created in Philadelphia on June 1 1841 to commemorate elder Youngs fortieth birthday. The president could easily have loaned this portrait for the prominent east wall of the celestial room yet the busy leader took time to pose for a second portrait in July 1845 according to the biographer of the man chosen to paint this portrait the artist Selah Van Sickle 1809

Brigham Young selected the message of his new portrait which he called “Delivering the Law of the Lord

This was not to be a portrait of a sitting figure with hands clasping the scriptures as Nauvoo artist William W Major had portrayed other citizens.

Instead Brigham young chose to dress in formal clothes and stand solemnly in front of a large case of mostly historical books

A book of Mormon and a Bible lie on a cloth covered table to his right but Brigham young selected to emphasize a third book on the table by standing it up the book is titled law of the lord.”

There is a warped sense of irony in Brigham Young depicting himself as delivering the “Law of the Lord” since the law of the Lord had been given in section 42 requiring the saints to live consecration and to live the law of monogamy. Those are two gospel principles for which Brigham Young would not become notorious.

However, the term “Book of the Law of the Lord” had specific reference to a book created by Joseph Smith that contained the names of worthy members of the church who had contributed to the construction of the temple and was perhaps conceptually pattered after the Lambs Book of Life. It was a very prestigious book to have one’s name written in.

Starting in December 1841 the names of those contributing tithing in the form of money or goods for the building of the temple were written in a large hive five hundred plus page leather bound record called the book of the law of the lord which was kept in the counting room of Joseph Smiths brick store on water street..

The book of the law of the lord was thus an important record of the faithful it also served as a sacred text at times revelations to the prophet joseph smith were recorded in it and read in conference.

As the faithful saints entered the celestial room their eyes would focus on the face of Brigham Young and then travel down to the book he held they could feel assured that because their names were written in the the book of the law of the lord they had a right to all the promised blessings ordinances oracles and endowments which will not only benefit them but their posterity to the latest generation.

The book symbolized the beginning of the fulfillment of all the glorious covenants they had made in the temple of the lord.

A second reason to commission such a commanding portrait was to remind church members of the importance of relying on the president of the twelve apostles to lead them after Joseph Smith,s martyrdom, Sidney Rigdon, James J Strang, William Smith and Lyman Wight claimed revelations and authority to lead the church, these men opposed Brigham Young and quickly gathered small groups of followers

The life sized portrait sent a powerful message that Joseph Smith s personal record book had passed to the hands of Brigham Young and only brigham young had the authority to deliver the law of the lord to the church

Those who remembered this lesson from the Nauvoo Temple continued their spiritual and temporal journey following the westward path made by their leaders..

..those who forgot or ignored it left the church and wandered on other roads

portraits of apostles also on the prominent east wall of the celestial room positioned to the left of the Brigham Young portrait was a painting of Heber C Kimball on the right side of the president was a painting of Willard Richards on the same wall hung paintings of apostles John Taylor, Orson Hyde, and George A Smith. This grouping communicated a message of unity and leadership as if to proclaim here are your guides follow them they know the path to the celestial kingdom”

It is difficult to know if the placing of these opulent paintings was singularly the cause of ego run amok or part of a very well thought out psychology which was being used to indoctrinate the masses into supporting the radical leadership shift that had just taken place.

It can truly be said that the saints of the restoration began to adorned their churches beginning with the Nauvoo Temple, both on the exterior, with stained glass windows inverted stars and pictures of a pagan sun god, and also on the inside, with idolatrous paintings of those who claimed to be the official guides of the church holding the priesthood keys.

It is true that this tradition of adorning places of worship has been continued into future generations. numerous articles have been written about the outrageous expenditures the modern church makes on their temples and meeting houses. However the first generation of Saints clearly had the stumbling block of prosperity and pride that was so poignantly and accurately described by Moroni. Moroni was intimately familiar with the first generation of saints and he saw in vision everything that transpired in Kirtland and Nauvoo.

The Lord showed Moroni in vision what took place during Joseph Smith’s ministry. Moroni saw how the restored church failed to live the law of consecration. The Lord had warned the saints that if they refused to impart their substance according to the law of the gospel he would withdraw his spirit from them.

Moroni saw how the newly restored church was given the name, “Church of Christ” by revelation. He saw that within a few short years that name of Christ was taken out of the name of the church because the Saints of the restoration could not live the law of Christ.

Moroni saw the Saints petition the Lord during the dedicatory prayer to reinstate his name upon the Saints.

Moroni saw how the Lord warned the saints in Nauvoo that if they did not repent, reform and complete the Nauvoo Boarding House they would be rejected as a church with their dead.

He saw how the saints would need to flee from Nauvoo and the unfinished temple because of the abomination that they practiced.

Moroni became appalled and sickened at what he saw as he exclaimed “why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ?”

It is truly amazing that so many believers in the Book of Mormon and members of the modern church as well as many splinter groups think that the fulness of the gospel is still on the earth.

The Doctrine of Christ- Part Four

May 4, 2016

Up to this point in this series we have discussed the fact that the Book of Mormon provides a clear and precise bullet point listing of what the “Doctrine of Christ” is, which is not provided in the New Testament. This demonstrates that the significance of the Book of Mormon is much greater than simply providing a second witness of Christ.

In this fourth part of the series we are going to change directions a little bit and note how the baptismal protocol for Gentiles differs slightly but significantly from the protocol for the House of Israel. We will do this by analyzing an amazing controversy that took between Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. We will also use passages from the New Testament to show that Joseph Smith was completely inspired to do what he did.

Gentiles vs. House of Israel

One of the most foundational and important revelations of the LDS restoration movement is section 20 of the current LDS Doctrine and Covenants. It was known as the “Articles and Covenants” of the church because it provides the protocol for managing the affairs of the church including the different priesthood functions and how to administer the ordinances of salvation.

In conjunction with other revelations brought forth by the prophet Joseph Smith, it reiterates the “Doctrine of Christ” as does the Book of Mormon. Section 20, along with section 42 which was known as the “Law of the Church” was copied numerous times by hand and sent with early LDS missionaries as a teaching and proselytizing tool.

I have pointed out in previous blog posts that Oliver Cowdery had received a personal revelation from the Lord on how he was to build up the church. He received it one year before he and Joseph penned Section 20.  It is not surprising that the two revelations had similar content in them. Much of the content in both revelations is derived from the Book of Mormon. 

Unlike the majority of the revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants which are given word for word in the words of Christ, Section 20 and a few other notable revelations read more like they were written by inspired men, similar to how most of the passages read in the New Testament and Book of Mormon. Section 20 and the revelation to Oliver Cowdery were both inspired by the Holy Ghost while drawing upon the precepts found in the Book of Mormon.

I Command you in the name of God!

One of the controversial and revealing events that happened in the very early part of the restoration movement had to do with Section 20. It had to do with a short doctrinal insert into the revelation made by Joseph, after Joseph and Oliver had written it. Oliver Cowdery discovered the inclusion before the revelation was published and he came unglued.

He sent a letter to Joseph commanding him in the name of God to erase the words he had inserted. He implied that the insertion represented “priest craft”. A brief account of the event as recorded in Joseph Smith’s history is provided below:

 “Whilst thus (and otherwise at intervals) employed in the work appointed me, by my Heavenly Father; I received a letter from Oliver Cowdery—the contents of which, gave me both sorrow and uneasiness…. He wrote to inform me, that he had discovered an error in one of the commandments” The revelation in question was no less than the Church’s Articles and Covenants and the allegedly erroneous passage described the requirements for baptism. What Cowdery found objectionable were the words “and truly manifest by their works that they have received the Spirit unto the remission of their sins.” As Joseph remembered the letter, Oliver wrote “I command you in the name of God to erase those words, that no priestcraft be amongst us.”[1]

Here is the entire passage in D&C 20:37 with the above mentioned insertion in caps:

37 And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humble themselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, AND TRULY MANIFEST BY THEIR WORKS THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVD OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST UNTO THE REMISSION OF THEIR SINS, shall be received by baptism into his church.

Joseph was quite offended by the rebuke and the implication of priest craft. He responded to Oliver in a letter asking-

“by what authority he took upon him to command me to alter, or erase, to add or diminish to or from a revelation or commandment from Almighty God.”

Joseph followed up his letter with a visit to Oliver and the Whitmers who had sided with Oliver on the issue. The following is Joseph’s summation about the labor and perseverance that it took to persuade them that his insertion was accurate-

“It was not without both labor and perseverance that I could prevail with any of them to reason calmly on the subject. However, Christian Whitmer at length became convinced that the sentence was reasonable, and according to Scripture; and finally, with his assistance, I succeeded in bringing, not only the Whitmer family, but also Oliver Cowdery to acknowledge that they had been in error, and that the sentence in dispute was in accordance with the rest of the commandment”[2]

According to Joseph’s account, he was finally able to win Cowdery and the Whitmers over to the modified protocol.

Curiously, he does not share how he won Oliver and the Cowdery’s over.

He provides no scriptural support for the insertion in his brief summary of what happened.

Did he expect future generations to simply go on faith that he knew what he was doing?

Did he expect future generations to search the scriptures to determine for themselves that Joseph was inspired in what he did?

One way that we know that Joseph was in the right is that in a later revelation the Lord sided with Joseph and admonished Oliver to not command Joseph since Joseph held the keys of the mysteries:

And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church; For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead. ( D&C 28:6&7)

It would appear as if the change that Joseph Smith made had to do with some the mysteries of the gospel that were not commonly understood at the time.

As I have studied the history of the church over the years, I have found that most of the time I come across something difficult to explain pertaining to the history of the LDS restoration movement, there are fascinating answers to be found by doggedly searching out the issue.

Often there is an interesting explanation behind it that enlightens and amplifies and provides another witness of the veracity of the LDS restoration movement and the divine calling of Joseph Smith.

This controversy between Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith concerning an apparent change in the baptismal protocol is no exception. I believe I have arrived at a reasonable explanation of this issue that sheds light on several things.

The Book of Mormon Supports Cowdery’s Contention

Before I share what I have found in solving this doctrinal dilemma I want to acknowledge why I think it was not unreasonable for Oliver Cowdery to be concerned.

It is not difficult to see why Oliver was initially incensed at the insertion that Joseph Smith had made because in virtually all of the related passages in the Book of Mormon we are informed that the remission of sins takes place AFTER water baptism is performed. The declaration that baptismal candidates should experience and declare having had a remission of sins BEFORE baptism does sound novel when viewed through the eyes of the Book of Mormon! Note a typical passage from the Book of Mormon:

For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.[3]

As previously noted in this post, Oliver had previously written down a revelation on how to build up the Church of Christ based on content from the Book of Mormon. This revelation began- “”A commandment from God unto Oliver how he should build up his church[4]

Oliver later received a revelation from God through Joseph Smith, confirming that the revelation he had previously written down about how he was to build up the church, was true-

 Now, behold, because of the thing which you, my servant Oliver Cowdery, have desired to know of me, I give unto you these words:

 Behold, I have manifested unto you, by my Spirit in many instances, that the things which you have written are true; wherefore you know that they are true.

 And if you know that they are true, behold, I give unto you a commandment, that you rely upon the things which are written;

 4 For in them are all things written concerning the foundation of my church, my gospel, and my rock.

 Wherefore, if you shall build up my church, upon the foundation of my gospel and my rock, the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.

Oliver had successfully written down a revelation from the Lord by the power of the Holy Ghost on how  he (Oliver Cowdery) should build up the Church.

Obviously, he had studied the baptismal protocol from the Book of Mormon. Therefore, he saw an apparent dilemma when he compared what the Book of Mormon teaches to the protocol Joseph had modified in Section 20:37.

I am going to suggest a few things that may provide additional context in resolving this dilemma.

First, it is important to understand that the reason Oliver got his own independent revelation on how to build up the church had to do with the fact that he would be preaching the gospel to the House of Israel at a future time, during the marvelous work and a wonder in the 3rd watch. Yet Section 20 was given to Joseph and Oliver pertaining to the protocol to be used at that time, by those of the restored Gentile Church.

Modern revelation makes clear the fact that Oliver will be preaching the gospel during the marvelous work and a wonder[5]. In that setting, it makes sense that Oliver will be following the protocol in the Book of Mormon, while the joint revelation to Joseph and Oliver that would be canonized in the Book of Commandments was directed to the Gentile Church of the restoration.

I am going to suggest that the Gentile protocol differs somewhat from the protocol in the Book of Mormon for the House of Israel for valid reasons.

The Gentiles Need to be Adopted back into God’s Family

The point I want to make regarding the apparent discrepancy in baptismal protocol to the gentiles in modern revelation compared to the one given to the House of Israel in the Book of Mormon, is that the Gentiles have a different status and calling before God than the rest of the House of Israel.

Paul: The Apostle to the Gentiles

To better understand the distinction between the Gentiles and the House of Israel, it is interesting to observe that Paul, who referred to himself as the apostle of the Gentiles[6], is the apostle that revealed and discoursed upon the “law of adoption” and the doctrine of predestination in his epistles to the believing Gentiles.

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace… Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”[7]

Those principles pertaining to predestination and the law of adoption only show up in Paul’s epistles to the Gentiles. It is beyond the scope of this series to delve at lenghth into those tenets. I simply make note to show that the Gentiles were in a different status than their brethren of the House of Israel.

Although having an Israelite heritage, Paul was a Roman citizen that identified himself with the converted Gentiles. His writings show that he classed himself among the believing gentiles to which he was called by God to preach.

The above passages seem to emphasize the fact that his gentile converts “first trusted” in the gospel messages and after they “believed” they were “sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise”. The implication therein is that they were cleansed from sin PRIOR to the ordinance of baptism.

My interpretation of the above passages is supported by one of the most compelling and instructive conversion stories in the New Testament. It is the story of a Gentile named Cornelius who was visited by an angel and instructed to have his men send for a Man named Peter and ask him what he should do.

While hearing the gospel preached by Peter, Cornelius and his friends and family were overcome by the spirit and they received the “gift of the Holy Spirit” after believing and PRIOR to being baptized:

44 ¶While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

The conversion of Cornelius and his household in which the gift of the Holy Ghost was received prior to baptism is clearly contrary to the order provided in the 2nd chapter of Acts and the Book of Mormon, both of which are addressing the baptismal protocol for the House of Israel in general.

In the second chapter of Acts, the Judean members of the Church received the gift of the Holy Ghost after having been baptized by water.

Other Jews who witnessed the event were instructed by Peter to first be baptized by water for the remission of sins, prior to receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost:

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 37 ¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

 41 ¶Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

As you can see, the New Testament differentiates the baptismal protocol between Jews and Gentiles and it provides supporting evidence for the doctrinal accuracy of the insertion that Joseph made in the baptismal protocol in section 20.

It is not unlikely that Joseph Smith used the conversion of Cornelius to convince Oliver and the Whitmers that members of the Gentile church could indeed receive a remission of sins prior to baptism. The conversion story of Cornelius is so powerful and instructive and faith promoting that I am providing the entire chapter below:

1 There was a certain man in Cæsarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

 3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

 4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

 5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

 6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

 7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;

 8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

 9 ¶On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

 12 Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

 17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate,

 18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

 19 ¶While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

 20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

 21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

 23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

 24 And the morrow after they entered into Cæsarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

 27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

 28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

 30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

 31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

 32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

 33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

 34 ¶Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 44 ¶While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Joseph’s refusal to back down to Oliver Cowery when commanded to erase the insertion from the baptismal protocol was inspired and justified. It is totally congruent with the Gentile protocol as contained in the Bible.

Clearly, God knew what he was doing through Joseph Smith and scriptures support the fact that the believing Gentiles can be cleansed and receive the Spirit prior to being baptized.

“..he was lost, and is found!”

I would suggest that the parable of the prodigal son had reference to the two kingdoms of Israel led by the tribes of Judah and Ephraim and that the lost son represented the Ephraimite Gentiles who became mingled among the Gentile nations and thus, the “prodigal son” of the two kingdoms of the house of Israel.

The symbolism of how the Father went out to meet the returning son and to place on him the ring and the robe BEFORE the son made it back into the fathers kingdom may well be symbolic of how Gentiles are allowed to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost and a remission of sins PRIOR to being baptized into the body of Christ.

8 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

The believing gentiles represented the portion of the Kingdom of Israel who had been “cast away” out of God’s sight during Old Testament times[8].

As the “outcasts of Israel” they differed from the “dispersed of Judah”. The dispersed of Judah maintained their tribal identify and bloodline and eventually gathered back to the Old World Jerusalem where the Jews as a nation would reject and crucify Christ.

The believing Gentiles are the remnants of the Kingdom of Israel that had been assimilated into the heathen nations. Because of this, they had lost their tribal identity as well as having mingled their blood with other nations.

Paul explains that the believing of the Gentiles that have accepted the gospel are among the “elect” of God who had been predestinated to be adopted back into the house of Israel after having been cast out among the nations.

I would suggest that this may well be the reason God was revealing a slight but very significant change in the baptismal protocol for the Gentile church.

Gentiles must have the Old Blood Purged

With this in mind, let us visit an interesting observation made by Joseph Smith about how the manifestation of the Holy Ghost acts upon a Gentile compared to how it acts upon the literal seed of Abraham:

“This first Comforter or Holy Ghost has no other effect than pure intelligence. It is more powerful in expanding the mind, enlightening the understanding, and storing the intellect with present knowledge, of a man who is of the literal seed of Abraham, than one that is a Gentile, though it may not have half as much visible effect upon the body; for as the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; and his whole soul and body are only exercised by the pure spirit of intelligence; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham.[9] 

I believe the above observation by Joseph Smith shows a significant distinction between the Jew and Gentile. It may be a very important key to understanding why Gentiles need to first be cleansed and converted by the Spirit before being baptized while those of the literal seed may receive their remission of sins after the physical act of baptism.

The Ephraimite-Gentiles Have Been Hidden from the World

As pointed out in previous posts, the kingdom of Israel that David reigned over eventually split into two kingdoms; the Kingdom of Judah and the Ephraimite Kingdom of Israel. Shortly after the division took place, the Kingdom of Judah became dispersed but maintained their tribal identity and bloodline. They would later re-inhabit the Old World Jerusalem.

However the Ephraimite Gentiles became mixed among the nations.

Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.[10]

Much of the content of the Book of Hosea addresses the apostate condition of both Judah and Ephraim, both anciently and in the latter days, and how they go whoring after idols. In chapter 5 the Lord makes the following declaration;

“I will go and return to my place till they acknowledge their offense, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early”[11]

The above passage is referring to how the Lord returned to his place and how revelation to the church dried up after the Gentile offended God by rejecting the fulness. It informs us that the believing gentiles as a group will once again seek the face of God “in their affliction”. The above declaration is quite hopeful. It foretells that the time will come when Ephraim will return from their apostate condition and seek the face of God.

The Book of Mormon prophetically documents that fact that the time would finally come when the Ephraimite Gentiles would repent:

For the Lord said unto me: They shall not go forth unto the Gentiles until the day that they shall repent of their iniquity, and become clean before the Lord.

 And in that day that they shall exercise faith in me, saith the Lord, even as the brother of Jared did, that they may become sanctified in me, then will I manifest unto them the things which the brother of Jared saw, even to the unfolding unto them all my revelations, saith Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of the heavens and of the earth, and all things that in them are. Although it is probably commonly assumed by many latter day saints that the repentance of Ephraim took place during Joseph Smith’s ministry, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that is not the case. [12]

In a question and answer period conducted in March of March of 1838 after the gentile church had rejected the fullness, Joseph Smith prophesied about the future return and repentance of the gentiles who would be in a scattered condition. He revealed that these remnants are those that held the right to priesthood and that they would return to the power they had lost :

7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?

 8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.

 9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?

 10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th,

 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.

Early during Joseph Smith’s ministry the Lord invited the saints to respond during the short time that the Lord would be “near”, implying that he would not always be near. In Section 88 the Lord provides a parable about twelve kingdoms and how each kingdom would have joy in basking in the countenance of the Lord for a specific period of time. The parable follows up with this declaration:

“I leave these sayings with you to ponder in your hearts, with this commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall call upon me while I am near—“[13]

It is interesting to compare the above admonition to the following one found in the 55th chapter of Isaiah which was prophesying about the future ministry of Joseph Smith.

“Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near..”

The Book of Hosea spends much of its narrative speaking of the apostasy of Ephraim in both ancient time and modern times however it assures us that Epraim would eventually repent at the appointed time and seek the Lord early. It informs us that the Lord will heal Ephraim of their backsliding and they shall no longer worship idols:

“I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him… Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols?”[14]

The Ephraimite Gentiles Have a Leadership Role

Ancient scripture notes that the Ephraimite Gentiles have a leadership role in nurturing and gathering the other remnants of Israel.

“Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders”. [15]

Modern revelation is consistent with this theme addressing the role of Ephraim in the following three sections:

  • Section 64
  • Section 113
  • Section 133.

The Book of Commandments was the canon if scripture given to the Ephriamite Gentile church while the Doctrine and Covenants was canonized with both Jew and Gentile in mind as trajectory and demographic of the church was changing.

Section 113 had not been given by the time that the Book of Commandments to the Ephraimite Gentiles was published.

Amazingly, even though Section 64 and Section 133 had been received long before the 1833 Book of Commandments was published, the narratives about the role of Ephraim were not published in it.

Section 133 was omitted altogether from the Book of Commandments even though it was received within days of section one which was published as the preface of the Book of Commandments. The Lord would later reveal that it was to be the appendix of the Doctrine and Covenants.

Although Section 64 was part of the Book of Commandments, the last several verses containing information about the role of Ephraim was mysteriously missing. It is not clear why it was not included in the Book of Commandments.

It appears likely that the Lord was keeping the leadership role of Ephraim hidden until after the Ephraimite-Gentile church became condemned and the demographics changed with the second major wave of missionary work going to the House of Israel across the great waters.

When the Doctrine and Covenants was published in 1835, it did contain the content regarding Ephraim from section 64 and 133.

Notice how section 64 reveals that only those of Ephraim will not be cut off from the land of Zion when the appointed time for the redemption of Zion takes place:

And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall be sent away, and shall not inherit the land. For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim, wherefore they shall be plucked out. Doctrine and Covenants 64:35-6

Notice however, that Section 133 provides a broader context showing that after the non-Epraimite portion of the tribes composed of Judah and the lost ten tribes finally come forth during the second harvest, they will receive their blessings by the hand of the Epraimites: 

And they who are in the north countries shall come in remembrance before the Lord; and their prophets shall hear his voice, and shall no longer stay themselves; and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence. 27 And an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep. 28 Their enemies shall become a prey unto them,

  29 And in the barren deserts there shall come forth pools of living water; and the parched ground shall no longer be a thirsty land. 30 And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants.

 31 And the boundaries of the everlasting hills shall tremble at their presence.

 32 And there shall they fall down and be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim.

33 And they shall be filled with songs of everlasting joy.

  34 Behold, this is the blessing of the everlasting God upon the tribes of Israel, and the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim and his fellows.

  35 And they also of the tribe of Judah, after their pain, shall be sanctified in holiness before the Lord, to dwell in his presence day and night, forever and ever

This reveals that the first gathering and redemption has to do exclusively with Ephraim who is given the greater blessing from the Lord. Eprhaim will then gather their brethren to receive their blessing during the afternoon of the first resurrection.

This is the reason Ephraim is not mentioned as one of the 12 tribes that make up the 144,000 as documented in the chapter 7 of the Book of Revelation. It is because the entire 144,000 were of mixed lineage. All of them were of Ephraim as well as one of the other tribes. The 144,000 will minister to and gather the other remnants of Israel who will come forth in the second harvest.

According to the patriarchal blessing of Joseph Smith given by Oliver Cowdery in September of 1835, Joseph Smith was from the “House of Ephraim[16] and yet few if any other sources reveal that Joseph Smith was an Ephriamite. The role of Ephraim was a closely guarded secret during the early part of the restoration movement.

Truly Ephraim is of the rightful priesthood lineage and yet he hath been mixed among the nations and his identity has been hidden from the world. Joseph Smith was informed that he and his fellows were of the rightful literal lineage but had been hidden from the world:

8 Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers— 9 For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—  Doctrine and Covenants 86:9

The deeper one delves into the holy word of God the more dynamic and inspired Joseph’s ministry becomes. The Doctrine of Christ is true. The baptismal protocol to the Gentiles as contained in Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants is true.

After the Gentiles rejected the fulness by the end of 1835, the dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham was secretly ushered in and the knowledge of the gospel was taken across the great waters to the House of Israel. This transitionary period saw the restoration of the ancient kingdom of Israel with descendants of the Kingdom of Judah taking over the leadership roles of the apostate modern church. This fulfilled the prophecy of Christ in 3rd Nephi 16 when he said the Gentiles would not have power over them:

And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Nevertheless, the times of the Gentiles is about to come in again and Ephraim shall be restored to his rightful position. The day will come when Judah will no longer vex Ephraim and Ephraim will no longer envy those of Judah that currently sit in the seat of Moses, making themselves judges over the people when in fact the only authority they have been given is to minister and preach about the fullness of the Gospel.

“Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, The Scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.

All, therefore, whatsoever they bid you observe, they will make you observe and do; for they are ministers of the law, and they make themselves your judges. But do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not.”[17]

Those who think it is the responsibility of Ephraim to humbly submit to the Jewish leaders that currently rule the modern apostate church simply because they have some priesthood keys or commission, would do well to compare the JST of Matthew 23 as shown above, to the King James Version.

The Inspired Version also warns about the danger of following the priesthood leaders who have been placed over us as our guides once they become transgressors. Doing so will only result in going to hell with them:

Seek unto my Father, and it shall be done in that very moment what ye shall ask, if ye ask in faith, believing that ye shall receive.

And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.

It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

48 For it is better that thyself should be saved, than to be cast into hell with thy brother, where their worm dieth not, and where the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:45-48


[1] Cited in Dean C. Jessee, ed., The Papers of Joseph Smith, 2 vols. (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1989–1992), 1:319-20.

[2] History of the Church, 1:105

[3] 2nd Nephi 31:17 See also 3 Nephi 1:23, 12:2 30:2, Moroni 8:25 Nevertheless, there are place in the Book of Mormon and the Bible that speak of people getting the Holy Ghost and/or a remission of sins prior to Baptism.

[4] The revelation to Oliver is contained in “Unpublished Revelations” by Collier or you can view it on line at the Joseph Smith Papers Project

[5] Oliver’s future calling during the Marvelous Work is clarified in Section 18

[6] Romans 11:13 “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office”  See also Acts 13:46 “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”

[7] Ephesians 1:5-13

[8] Hosea 9:17 My God will cast them away because they did not hearken unto him and they shall be wanderers among the nations

[9] TPJS pg 149

[10] Hosea 7:8

[11] Hosea 5:15

[12] Ether 4:6-7

[13] D&C 88:62

[14] Hosea 13:4-8

[15] Isaiah 49:22 see also 1 nephi 21:22, 22:6, 8, 2 Nephi 6:6


[17] JST Matthew 23:1-3

What is the Definition of “First Estate” and “Second Estate”

April 30, 2016

The following question and answer about the meaning of the terms “first estate” and “second estate”  in Abraham 3:26 is provided in the LDS Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teachers Manual found at this link:

“What do the terms first estate and second estate mean in Abraham 3:26? (First estate refers to the pre-mortal life, and second estate refers to our mortal life. We kept our first estate by choosing to follow Jesus Christ instead of Lucifer.) What blessing did we each receive because we kept our first estate? (The opportunity to be born on earth.) What blessings will we receive if we keep our second estate? (See Abraham 3:26.) How can we keep our second estate?”

One of the disquieting things I have noticed over the last 30 years of trying to parse out the true history and doctrine of the LDS restoration is that virtually every major doctrine of the restoration has been corrupted or discarded by the modern corporate LDS church.

The above doctrine of first and second estates is no exception.

I believe that the following passages actually reveal the fact that the first ESTATE refers to our physical tangible bodies during mortal probation and that the second ESTATE refers to the physical body after it has been quickened and added upon with glory into an immortal body of element.

Look closely at the following passages:

“25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; 26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.”

I admit that one can interpret verse 26 in different ways if it is read separately. However, verse 25 (which I have included in the passage above and underlined), makes it clear that the first estate is where God is “proving” us in mortality. Our mortal probation is the first estate where he proves us.

It is during our mortal probation that we are being “proved” as to whether we will do all things that God commands us. Those who prove valiant get to keep their physical ESTATE after a temporary death, and have it glorified and “added upon”.

It is interesting that among the various definitions provided in the 1828 Websters the term refers to  physical possession. A persons “estate” in legal terms often refers to their physical, tangible, possessions.

Our physical possession during this life is the physical body we inhabit.

I would point out that Joseph Smith seems to interpret the  above passages in the Book of Abraham the same way that I do. Notice the two diary excerpts by two separate listeners of Joseph’s May 21 1843 discourse:

Smith Diary:

“organization of Spirits in the eternal world.–spirits in the eternal world are like spirits in this world. when those spirits have come into this [world and ] risin & received glorified bodies. they will have an ascendancy over spirits who have no bodies. or kept not their first estate3 like the devil. Devils punishment, should not have a habitation like other men. Devils retaliation come into this world bind up mens bodies. & occupy himself. authorities come along and eject him from a stolen habitation”

The Smith diary is identifying “spirits who have no bodies” who we need to have “ascendancy over” in the next world, as those that “kept not their first estate“.

Furthermore Joseph identifies the Devil as one of the spirits in the next world that failed to keep his first estate. Satan will be classed among the disembodied spirits in the next world.

In other words,  Lucifer apparently took upon himself a mortal body but will not ultimately keep it.  This teaching the Lucifer obtained a physical body is consistent with the narrative in Isaiah 14 which speaks about Lucifer being cast out of the grave at the day of Judgment in his physical body:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit…But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.”

I have already blogged about this topic and the false doctrine that Satan and his followers were not allowed to participate in the first estate. I thin the scriptures are clear about the fact that Lucifer and his followers in the pre-existence all come to a mortal probation to gain a physical body even though they will ultimately become disembodied spirits. I do not want to reiterate all of the evidence for that so you can read this article at this link if you have not already read it. 

Now lets look at the Richards Dairy to find a third witness as to the definition of first and second estates-

Richards Diary

“The 1st chapter of 2d Peter is hints of things which are nowhere written. There are things which pertain to the Glory of God & heirship of God with Christ which are not where written in the Bible spirits of the eternal world are diverse from each other as here in their dispositions Aspiring Ambitious &c As man is liable to enemies there as well as here it is necessary for him to be placed beyond their power in order to be saved. This is done by our taking bodies (keeping our first estate) and having the Power of the Resurrection pass upon us whereby we are enabled to gain the ascendancy over the disembodied spirits”

The clarification in the parenthesis is part of the actual diary. I did not add it.

Richards is clarifying that Joseph was identifying the physical body of this mortal probation as representing the “first estate” spoken of in Abraham.

The “second estate” appears to be the final glorified body or at least the restored body that eventually becomes glorified.

Another journal entry makes a statement that seems to contradict the above two diaries and yet, when viewed in the context provided from the above diaries, it is easy to see what was really meant. I will make the correction of what I think the person meant in bold caps:

“When Lucifer was hurled from Heaven the decree was that he Should not obtain a [N IMMORTAL]  tabernacle no[R] those that were with him, but go abroad upon the earth exposed to the anger of the elements naked & bare, but ofttimes he lays hold upon men binds up their Spirits enters their habitations laughs at the decree of God and rejoices in that he hath a house to dwell in, by & by he is expelled by Authority and goes abroad mourning naked upon the earth like a man without a house exposed to the tempest & the storm..”

Another related doctrine of the Church that has been corrupted has to do with the doctrine of the resurrection. It is commonly taught in the church that after our mortal body dies, all men will be resurrected from the dead into our final immortal and glorified body.  It is believed by many that perhaps this process takes place sometime during the millennium.

Not true.

The scriptures do not teach this.

They teach that those who experience the death of the mortal body must first be returned to this earth and come forth out of the grave and be restored to that same mortal body to be judged. Some time after they come forth in their restored bodies, the elect of God are quickened from a mortal body to an immortal body, not quickened directly from death to their final glorified body.

96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him. 97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—

Notice the very specific language used in the book of Alma declaring that the immortal body is raised from the mortal body, not directly from the spirit that is in the spirit world.

Alma 11:45

45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body

Alma 12:20

20 But there was one Antionah, who was a chief ruler among them, came forth and said unto him: What is this that thou hast said, that man should rise from the dead and be changed from this mortal to an immortal state, that the soul can never die?

Alma is stating that we gain a mortal body in this probation, then we die, then were are raised up again in our mortal body, then we are judged, then we are raised from our mortal body to an immortal body.

  • Mortal Body in Mortal Probation
  • Death
  • Restored from the dead to our mortal body after death has been conquered
  • Judgement
  • Mortal Body raise to an Immortal body

Countless patriarchal blessings from the time of Kirtland to the present day have promised the saints that they would stand on the earth in the flesh to see the coming of the Lord. Skeptics have scoffed at how many people have died without seeing the fulfillment of this prophecy. And yet it has always been an axiomatic verity in scripture that everyone that has died after the crucifixion of Christ will eventually be returned to the earth at the time of the end end of days at the time of the coming of the Lord. Those patriarchal blessings will still be fulfilled.

The Book of Revelation notes how the wicked that are restored to their bodies will desire death but will not be able to die

“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them”

The term resurrection is not necessarily used the same way in the scriptures all the time nor does it always have reference to the final state of the immortal body. Notice in the following verse how it refers to the restoration of the mortal body to be judged prior to the final quickening into the final state of the soul:

Alma 33:22

22 If so, wo shall come upon you; but if not so, then cast about your eyes and begin to believe in the Son of God, that he will come to redeem his people, and that he shall suffer and die to atone for their sins; and that he shall rise again from the dead, which shall bring to pass the resurrection, that all men shall stand before him, to be judged at the last and judgment day, according to their works.

Notice how Alma 41 uses the word restoration in place of the word resurrection proving that people are not brought forth from the dead in their final immortal and glorified bodies but rather they are returned to the earth in the mortal bodies that they had during mortal probation.

Notice that the judgment takes place directly after the restoration of mortal bodies.

Notice that all of this is patterned after the resurrection of Christ who said to Mary directly after being raised up “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father” indicating that his own process of returning to his final state was not yet complete.

Alma 41

And now, my son, I have somewhat to say concerning the restoration of which has been spoken; for behold, some have wrested the scriptures, and have gone far astray because of this thing. And I perceive that thy mind has been worried also concerning this thing. But behold, I will explain it unto thee.

I say unto thee, my son, that the plan of restoration is requisite with the justice of God; for it is requisite that all things should be restored to their proper order. Behold, it is requisite and just, according to the power and resurrection of Christ, that the soul of man should be restored to its body, and that every part of the body should be restored to itself.

And it is requisite with the justice of God that men should be judged according to their works; and if their works were good in this life, and the desires of their hearts were good, that they should also, at the last day, be restored unto that which is good.

 And if their works are evil they shall be restored unto them for evil. Therefore, all things shall be restored to their proper order, every thing to its natural frame—mortality raised to immortality, corruption to in corruption—raised to endless happiness to inherit the kingdom of God, or to endless misery to inherit the kingdom of the devil, the one on one hand, the other on the other—

 The one raised to happiness according to his desires of happiness, or good according to his desires of good; and the other to evil according to his desires of evil; for as he has desired to do evil all the day long even so shall he have his reward of evil when the night cometh.

 And so it is on the other hand. If he hath repented of his sins, and desired righteousness until the end of his days, even so he shall be rewarded unto righteousness.

These are they that are redeemed of the Lord; yea, these are they that are taken out, that are delivered from that endless night of darkness; and thus they stand or fall; for behold, they are their own judges, whether to do good or do evil.

Perhaps one of the most fascinating and hopeful aspects of the doctrine of the resurrection is the possibility that among those that return will be some righteous souls that will be able to turn many to righteousness. If that interpretation is correct, it would mean that the restoration of the dead could begin before the time of probation has ended for those that are living.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Section 88 informs us that it is after the first harvest of elect souls have been quickened and caught up into the cloud that the second harvest of terrestrial souls will come forth to be judged according to MEN IN THE FLESH. This seems to indicate that people will be able to do some things related to their level of salvation after they return from the dead and are restored to their bodies.

“And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.”

Notable Emails #29 “I enjoyed your post on Joseph Smith as the “Covenant Servant” in Isaiah 42… however…”

April 23, 2016

[Editorial Note: I get many emails from readers of my blog sharing their thoughts and  asking my opinion about historical and doctrinal matters. This series provides selected email exchanges that may be of interest to the general readership. As always, the reader should never assume that I know what I am talking about. The information is being provided to stimulate thought and deeper study into the scriptures and history of the church. I do not share email conversations if you request that I don’t. I can be reached at onewhoiswatching [at] gmail dot com  ]

Email Exchange #1
“After all we can do – I believe I have found the interpretive key, a veritable Rosetta Stone…”

Watcher- I believe I have found the interpretive key, a veritable Rosetta Stone, if you will, to unlock the meaning and understand that most misunderstood and misused of all Mormon scriptures – 1 Nephi 25:23.
Study Alma 24 with that scripture in mind when you get a minute and tell me if you see what I’m seeing.
Incredible! ;- )

My Response


I don’t know if you saw what I saw…. but… the following keywords below from Alma 24:11,15 pretty much give the exact definition of the phrase “all we can do” in 2 Nephi 25:23

vs 11 “all that we could do”

v 15 “as much as we could do”
Definition: “repent of all our sins”

(The “works” that are required for salvation are to repent of all our sins )

The interesting thing is that I never would have thought to do a keyword search on the initial phrase in 2nd Nephi 25 and it wouldn’t have done me any good anyway because of the slight variations…

And furthermore, a traditional reading of the narrative would not have revealed the corresponding definition as the wording is so subtle… it was Mrs. Water that caught it as we read the chapter in Alma.. I never would have parsed out those keywords

Rosetta Stone indeed…

I hope that is what you saw …..🙂

Incredible! ;- )

His Reply to My Response

Exactly. Awesome huh?

One of the definitions of the Greek word translated as repentance in the NT is “to have a change of heart or mind”.

It was “all they could do” to truly, radically change their hearts, throw off their natural man and accept Christ, after living such lives as they had.

They then entered into a saved state of grace (and probably received the baptism of fire and were sanctified and), no longer subject to the laws of judgment and justice. (Grace is NOT God’s “backup plan” for when we’ve done every possible thing we could do to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law, but failed, as is so often taught/thought!).

But we can fall from grace. To “retain a remission of our sins” and remain in that saved state We must endure to the end living “grace”fully (loving, lifting and forgiving others, being saviors on Mt Zion).

They knew that, even though there was full justification for it under the law of justice, if they gave in to the natural man justification and went back to their violent, ungodly ways, they could (and would likely – you can’t have it both ways – you are living the law of justice or grace, not “halvesies”) fall from grace and they just couldn’t take that chance- given how hard it was the first time and there’s a good chance you might not make it back a second time – SEE THE LAST VERSE of the chapter!!

Great stuff!! Thanks for humoring me!!


Email Exchange #2 
“I enjoyed your post on Joseph Smith as the “Covenant Servant” in Isaiah 42… however…”


I Really enjoyed your post on offering Joseph as a covenant. Most would say the Isaiah scripture is referring to Christ.
I assume your position is that the Isaiah scripture applies to BOTH JS and JC – as a dual fulfillment, types and shadows thing?

My Response

When you say “most” who are you referring to?

It has always been my understanding that the church manuals and scholars consider LORD in caps to be referring to “Jehovah” in the Old Testament and that Christ is Jehovah in the Old Testament. They do not consider LORD/Jehovah to be referring to God the Father.

Although I am usually skeptical of anything the church teaches nowadays, I must begrudgingly agree with them on this issue at least with regard to the Book of Isaiah.

According to the narrative in Isaiah 42 (and 49, its sister chapter) It is the LORD that called the Covenant Servant ( See verses 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, etc.) It is also the LORD who created the heavens (verse 5) which corresponds with many scriptures stating that the heavens were created by Christ.

This leaves the servant as someone other than the Father or the Son. It is clearly a human servant of the Lord who speaks for God like Moses was anciently.

The narrative in Isaiah 42 continues in Isaiah 49 with both chapters speaking about the LORD and the Servant and the fact that the prisoners will go forth (compare 42:7 with, 49:9)

Joseph clearly taught that it would be himself and others of his fellow servants of the Lord that would redeem the dead and enable the prisoners to go free:

“22 Brethren, shall we not go on in so great a cause? Go forward and not backward. Courage, brethren; and on, on to the victory! Let your hearts rejoice, and be exceedingly glad. Let the earth break forth into singing. Let the dead speak forth anthems of eternal praise to the King Immanuel, who hath ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison; for the prisoners shall go free.Doctrine and Covenants 128:22″

Also, compare Joseph’s statement about himself to Isaiah 49:2

“I am like a huge, rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against religious bigotry, … Thus I will become a smooth and polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 304).


“2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” Isaiah 49:2

Also compare the above statement “in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me” to the following declaration in modern revelation

“9 For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—8 Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers—”

I think it is pretty reasonable to assume that the covenant servant is not Jehovah Christ, it is a servant of Jesus Christ as the literal interpretation even though it provides a great type of what Christ did as well.

It is remarkable that Joseph declared that he would become a polished shaft of the LORD and that modern revelation reveals that Joseph’s true identify had been hid from the world.
I realize that the covenant servant could be someone else besides Joseph. However I think Joseph’s statements provide compelling evidence that he considered himself to be that servant.
He may have been delusional, but I also think it is Joseph…🙂


His Reply

That’s awesome stuff! I think you make some great and amazing points. But (i’m willing to bet) you are the only person in the world who has discovered them so far. And just beginning to share.

My only point was (and I haven’t done any research but) I would be willing to bet that virtually all Bible commentators, both in and outside of the church, would say that the reference to the servant is Christ and not some other unnamed servant. Notwithstanding the church’s definition of “LORD” you mentioned and which I also understand to be generally the case. Correct me if I’m wrong.

For example, In the headings prepared by the church it specifically says it’s a reference to the Lord.

When I read it, after reading your post, I thought it all made sense in relation to the Lord as well. For example the Lord is given to Israel as a covenant “New Testament”. Also, I am pretty sure there is a scripture or Scriptures referring to the Lord setting the prisoners free – although I suppose I might be thinking of this very one?

I personally don’t see any problem that Jehovah would be prophesying through Isaiah to Israel about his own future mortal appearance as Christ.

All that to say, I think it might also work great as a dual meaning / “type and shadow” scripture prophecy too.

I don’t remember most of what you wrote in the above note from your blog. But it is incredible! Rosetta Stones indeed!

Thanks for sharing!

My Reply

I totally understand and acknowledge that all of the commentators, LDS or otherwise say the covenant servant is referring to Christ.

What else can they say?

New Testament theology does not clearly account for an intercessory offering like the one that Moses offered under the ancient law, to take place after Christ’s atonement….. and it is not clearly evident that apostate Israel would need to be temporarily downgraded to an ancient law after Christ came in the meridian of time.

We are dealing with a prophetic last days mystery that is intentionally obscured in the scriptures because it was not in the providence of God for it to be commonly understood. This mystery unlocks all of the otherwise bizarre things that happened during the LDS restoration movement. When it is finally known by the world it will shut the mouths of all of the critics.

A Biblical Christian that reads how modern revelation places so much importance, including the salvation of the church, on Joseph Smith has no other option than to consider Mormonism to be a cult that worships Joseph Smith. In fact, if it was not for what I have found regarding this amazing doctrine, I would now have to write off Mormonism as a cult.

When I write about these things I do it more so that a written testimony will already be in existence when the servants return and declare them, not so much because I think people are believing these things now.

I suspect that even most of my subscribers struggle to accept the documentation that I am providing about the true history of Mormonism, the 3rd watch and the true intercessory role of Joseph Smith because it is just to fantastic to believe that such a strange narrative could really be hidden from scholars and highly respected religious leaders and yet be true. I would bet that less than ten of the 170 subscribers to the blog actually have a firm belief in my interpretation of the atonement statute prophecy in Leviticus 16 and the Davidic servant prophecy in 2 Samuel 7.

Nevertheless, I have provided so much supporting documentation over the years and much of it did not even make it into my three chapters on the topic in my book.

The cold hard truth is that no matter how much ancillary documentation that is provided, FEW IF ANY ARE GOING TO FULLY BELIEVE THIS UNTIL THE SERVANTS RETURN AND PROCLAIM IT AND EVEN THEN MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT BELIEVE IT. I believe the following passage in Isaiah is referring to the testimony of the Servants when they return and give an accounting of what took place in the second watch…

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord (servant of the Lord) revealed?”

How many people will have the truth about Joseph Smith revealed to them by the spirit of the Holy Ghost?

We can only wait and see.

I am always seeing additional evidence for this amazing doctrine. Just within the last few weeks I have noticed even more corroborative evidence although most people do not have a deep enough understanding of scripture to appreciate it.

One example of the things I have recently noticed is a matter of fact statement in one of Joseph’s Nauvoo discourses about how some people on the other side of the veil may have their transgressions paid for by another person…. (don’t have the quote and ref handy right now)

…what a strange thing to say! It seemingly contradicts the gospel scenario in the New Testament and the fullness of the gospel in the Book of Mormon… but he was not speaking in the context of the fullness of the gospel, he was obviously speaking in the context of the gospel of Abraham.

Also, in a past post I provided a mind blowing narrative from the dead sea scrolls that speaks of a prophet that atoned for those of HIS GENERATION


he will make atonement for all the children of his generation

Another example that I have probably never addressed in detail is the commentary Paul provides in Hebrews 9

Notice the commentary in that chapter gives an amazing account of the annual responsibility of the high priest to enter into the Holy of Holies to take upon himself the sins of Israel in a physical temple or sanctuary….

..he explains that the new testament provided by Christ does not need the mortal intercessor of the ancient law nor does it require physical sanctuaries (temples). These verses are often used by protestants to show that temples and temple theology is no longer needed after Christ came… there is just one problem with their argument. The scriptures testify that God will have temples in the end times… what does that tell us?

I believe it tells us that the gospel of Christ is rejected for a time and that a lesser preparatory gospel arises for a little season.

A close reading of Pauls commentary reveals that he was not simply providing the narrative as something that happened anciently which pointed to Christ….. he was also alluding to something relating to the ancient law that was still future…. he felt it necessary to clearly explain what Moses and Aaron and the “high priests” of the ancient law had to do as intercessors in the holy of holies. He was alluding to (in my opinion) what a latter day servant would need to do in the future!!!!!!!

In his narration he provides what I consider to be a cryptic reference to a future event having to do with the “mercy seatand the angels associated with it. He stopped short of revealing what this event would be, stating that “we cannot now speak particularly” about the future event involving the mercy seat.

Why couldn’t he speak particularly about it?

What cat did he need to keep in the bag?

I believe it was the event that is recorded in section 110 which took place over the mercy seat and which event is alluded to in the Book of Daniel.

1 The veil was taken from our minds, and the eyes of our understanding were opened.

2 We saw the Lord standing upon the breastwork of the pulpit, before us; and under his feet was a paved work of pure gold, in color like amber.  (Standing above the Arc of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat** Section 110 was a literal enactment of Exodus 25:22) 

3 His eyes were as a flame of fire; the hair of his head was white like the pure snow; his countenance shone above the brightness of the sun; and his voice was as the sound of the rushing of great waters, even the voice of Jehovah, saying:

4 I am the first and the last; I am he who liveth, I am he who was slain; I am your advocate with the Father.

For behold, I have accepted this house, and my name shall be here; and I will manifest myself to my people in MERCY in this house.

Yes I agree that there is nobody out there that interprets Isaiah 42 the way I do however, the explanations given by scholars and leaders are really lame and they contradict their own teachings.

1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein wasthe candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.



6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

[Ah Ha! The time of reformation is not referring to the meridian of time, it is referring to the time of restitution in the end times! The temple theology and gospel having to do with physical temples and the intercessory offering of the High Priest is not totally and completely done away with until the TIME OF REFORMATION when apostate Christianity gets their last chance to accept the fulness of the gospel.]

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to thepurifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

[So those living during Paul’s time did not need to mess with the Gospel of Abraham and physical temples and human atonement offerings like Moses offered up… however, the door is being left open for ancient temple theology to return when apostasy from the fulness of the gospel takes place. What? A testament requires the death of a testator? That is exactly why Joseph Smith had to die as well. ]

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[ So Christ has already offered to bear the sins of many, yet it is necessary for him to appear the second time without sin unto salvation! That final time of Christ appearing without sin unto salvation is yet future. Why does that still need to be done? What about the interim? What gospel law are we under prior to Christ’s final return at the time of reformation, when he appears without sin unto our salvation? could it be that we are currently under a preparatory gospel just as the ancient Israelites were? could it be that the temple theology of the end times that is recorded in prophecy was re-instituted by the prophet Joseph Smith? BINGO.]

His Reply

Wow!!! Great stuff !

On a slightly related note – I more and more think that polygamy and the modern temple endowment were really given by God to fallen Israel as part of the Abrahamic dispensation as a latter day lower law of Moses – both to grow latter day Israel (keep the roots alive) and as a schoolmaster to bring the people into Christ through carnal commandments and savage / strange / violent symbolism (and only slightly more effective than the L of M in doing so).

It’s the only way to explain the unbelievably incredibly powerful hold it has over the people, and you can easily see how quickly they would have ceased being a peculiar – “set apart from the world” tribe if they had just been left with biblical Christianity and the new revelations (see, eg the Community of Christ and all other offshoots). And there is in fact some amazing symbolism in it. A strange act yes, but totally ingenious at the same time!!!

I foresee the day when the new Paul… will write modern day (electronic) epistles to the new small band of believers explaining how analogous it was to the law of Moses, given to keep a hard hearted and stiff necked people “close”, together and searching for the Lord for a “little season” until the Lord could complete his strange act and marvelous work!!

My Response

I don’t disagree with you, however your eloquent explanation of the return of polygamy is a little soft and perhaps too charitable. It was also given as a chastisement to Israel for rejecting the fulness.

Joseph Smith opined that the lesser law was given as a cursing…

The law was given under Aaron for the purpose of pouring out Judments and destructions.” (Smith Dairy)

Levitical which was never able to administer a Blessing but Only to bind heavy burdens which neither they nor their father able to bear” (Franklin D Richards Diary)


Email Exchange #3
This email was sent to me and the author of the “The Work of the Father” Blog
which also addresses the doctrine of the Three Watches


Hi guys,

I’ve been thinking about this – obviously – for a while now. I know that Watcher has probably grown frustrated and impatient with me.  I know this is long – but hear me out. I really do believe there is something to the 3 Watches doctrine and the future Great and Marvelous Work. I also believe there is something to the Atonement Statue -especially when considering the fulfillment of scriptures like 2 Samuel 7 and Deuteronomy and many others including the Strong Delusion God would send.

However, then you have this whole Denver Snuffer movement. I only joined the Church in 1995 as a convert, so I’m not terribly familiar with other previous folks in the Church who maybe claimed to have had Jesus appear to them with a message. But, something seems different with Denver’s message and experience. BUT – I am not totally convinced I guess.

I know that you, Watcher, have been very skeptical if not outright reject Denver’s witness because of what you see as differences in doctrinal interpretations – especially in regards to D&C 110 and some differences in interpretation of the 3 levels of Priesthood.  I’m not convinced, I guess, that Christ won’t or is NOT appearing to individuals that He deems necessary – that He can’t appear until Joseph and the First Elders return. That may be – but just because we are not having those experiences doesn’t mean that they aren’t happening.

HOWEVER – then I keep going back to and thinking about the Temple ordinances and the difference between what was revealed in Kirtland for that Temple and what was given in Nauvoo for that Temple. I’m reading …. a book … which is outlining how the Church and doctrine has changed since Joseph Smith’s day and how the modern corporate Church has changed many of the foundational truths. I think we can all agree on that.

The book has.. a whole chapter focusing on changes to the Temple ordinances.  He begins by discussing the Kirtland temple and the true Endowment that occurred there. He discusses the fact that the Endowment was NOT the ordinances. He says the ordinances prepared folks to receive the Endowment which can only come from God.

He says that in Kirtland the ordinances were only the washing of the feet and the annointing with oil on the head and that this was provided to all the saints for the 6 months of winter leading up to the April dedication. Of course we know that the dedicatory services were a Pentecostal experience which WAS the endowment from God – a spiritual outpouring – a Pentecost – of spiritual gifts, cloven tongues of fire – indeed a Baptism of Fire for all attending. They experienced the fullness it would appear. No secret signs or handshakes, etc… No masonic rituals (my observation).

However, then he goes right from that to quoting Joseph saying that all Temple ordinances will be revealed by Adam or angels that he assigns and that the Temple ordinances would be the same for ever and ever and never change. Of course – he is referring to what ultimately was given in Nauvoo and includes what Brigham Young wrote down in 1877.

At this point, I’m thinking that if that were true – then what was given in Kirtland should be it – that’s all folks. Obviously because it led to the Pentecostal experiences. We hear of NO reports of those experiences in Nauvoo after the higher, masonic influenced ordinances were given.

He goes from describing the Kirtland Temple and the true Spiritual Endowment – not being ordinances – to outlining all of the Changes that were done to the Temple ordinances AFTER 1877 – when Brigham first put it to paper – 33 years after Joseph’s revealed, updated the Endowment ritual in Nauvoo.

I‘m working two jobs and I don’t have the money or resources to look into this – but we need to put some research out that goes through the Kirtland era and the Temple ordinances given then which led to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I know that Watcher has written about this before but I could swear that Joseph made some kind of statement in Kirtland about the fact that God had now revealed every principle and ordinance necessary for salvation an exaltation at that point.  If that is true – then WHAT THE HELL was all of the stuff Joseph gave in Nauvoo?

As you have pointed out several times recently, Watcher, there seems to be a division between those who believe in the Nauvoo ordinances (pretty much EVERY in the box Latter-day Saint and every Snufferite) – and the very few Mormons who believe something is wrong there.

I don’t have the books and resources to find this – but I think it is imperative you provide a detailed post, however long it is, that goes through this history and clearly shows that we had what we needed in Kirtland and that what came in Nauvoo was a corruption or deception given on purpose.


We all know that Christ warned about there being many false Christs and false prophets in the Last Days. It’s easy to see or find false prophets. However, the reason Denver Snuffer (and it’s not just him reporting having Second Comforter experiences in the LDS world – Dan Rogers, Rob Smith and many others) has been so successful at gaining followers is because he is claiming direct contact with Jesus Christ – having a personal audience with him.  Yet, how do we know that it is the REAL YESHUA that is appearing to him?

Have you heard about Sananda Jesus???  Is it possible that a false Christ is appearing to these folks?  Is it possible they are putting themselves in the Astral Plane where demons can deceive? How do we know?  Where is the proof that the REAL Second Comforter experience CAN’T be happening now?  WHY should we question and doubt Denver Snuffer’s experience? Could we be wrong in our interpretations?  Can’t Jesus have appeared to Denver and Denver can still be imperfect and have some wrong ideas on doctrinal interpretations, but still really being seeing Christ?….

There are other Christians reporting seeing Jesus (see that video I sent earlier this week of the Non-LDS Christian guy reporting that Jesus Manifested Himself unto him.)

Could this be WHY we must prove and show to people that IF the fullness was rejected by 1835 then why on earth should we believe that GREATER truth was given long afterwards in Nauvoo while abominations were being practiced by the people?  Of course, Denver Snuffer would admit that abominations were being practiced but he holds that Joseph always remained pure and above the fray and that he received higher truths and temple ordinances in Nauvoo and that he was only using the Masonic ritual as a teaching method.

How do we know that what Brigham put down on paper in 1877, which he said was exactly what Joseph had given him 33 years earlier, is REALLY what Joseph gave him?  It is clear that what was given in Kirtland was washings and annointings and what was added in Nauvoo was much more – but led to no spiritual outpouring/pentecost.

I’m wondering if the Masonic version given in Nauvoo could conjure up this false Christ – Sananda Jesus to appear. They claim that he is an ascended Master. Look at these links and information:

What are we to make of all of this?

Both of you have been pretty adamant that the Lord is withholding these experiences from people until the First elders return. You have been adamant that no one is having the real [FULL AND COMPLETE ] Baptism of Fire because the Fullness is not here – yet many are reporting that they ARE having these experiences.  I know that we live in a day of great deception, but could the REAL GOD be moving and stirring folks and appearing and calling and baptizing by Fire?

IS this a project worth undertaking to help reclaim some of the Snufferites from a great deception?  Or, are we confident enough in that conclusion that we know that we aren’t kicking against the pricks and persecuting one of God’s true messengers?

Thoughts?  Are you guys up for this kind of post or project?

Can you find anything from the Kirtland era where Joseph claims that we have the fullness and all of the ordinances necessary for exaltation in what was given in the Kirtland temple?



My Response

Very interesting and thoughtful email. I am not in a position right now to work on such a project.. Besides, I have already essentially done that in all of the documentation that I have provided over the last eight years…..I cannot get distracted reiterating that which has already been documented. I am finally regaining my focus on correcting and updating my book.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but I am not real hopeful that many if any of the hardcore Snufferites can be reclaimed by anything that I write. I think there is a very real familiar spirit emitted by Snuffer that is attracting those that are being led to his new church and they have probably been ordained from the pre-existence to follow him. Indeed they were probably following him in the pre-existence.

I did recently respond to an email from one of my subscribers regarding the Snuffer movement that you might find interesting.. I hope to expand on my response and include it in a notable emails post at some point

Email from subscriber


I usually don’t care much for his writings, but this one is very well done. (referring to Adrian Larsen)

In fact, the comment by Annonymous (AB2) really had me thinking.

I have never really thought of the converse to the equation that the church teaches:

If The Book of Mormon is true, then the church is true.

But the converse, if the church is false, then therefore must be false as well.

They are mutually exclusive of each other and I have never thought of the second scenario as part of the reason why so many people are leaving the church and throwing Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon out at the same time.”

My Response

I certainly agree with the part of Adrian’s blog about how absurd it is for those claiming to be prophets seers and revelators to seek counsel and learning about doctrine and church history from those that have been trained for the ministry.

Indeed I have blogged about the same issues several times as well.

However I take great issue with the following declaration

“You simply will not find God in a book—not even a book of scripture.”

That statement is patently false and very revealing about the person making that claim and the religious movement he has become one of the poster-children for.

His declaration is contrary to what God’s prophets have told us.

Ironically he quoted the following scripture as evidence that it is not scripture that is important in finding God but rather simply asking God directly:

“If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”

It seems like very strange logic to quote the very scripture upon which the heavens were opened in marginalizing the importance of scripture.

Joseph Smith never would have gone into the woods believing he would find God if he had not first listened to God’s voice in the written word and believed it.

Furthermore, Joseph Smith was not typical. He had been foreordained to have that visitation. Hence building such a shaky doctrine around that scripture is pretty feeble.

Many people, (probably including you and Adrian) have no doubt had countless failed attempts in seeking God in prayer. I think many passionate and sincere people have attempted to have a personal visitation from Christ but failed.

Yes, I realize that Adrian has since claimed to have parted the heavens and found God after reading Snuffer’s “how to” book on the second comforter however, since Adrian and Denver do not seem to think you can find God in the scriptures and since they both teach conflicting doctrines than what God and his prophets teach in scripture, they really don’t have much credibility with me.

One of the trademarks of the Snuffer movement is that naive and arrogant implication that “anything the scriptures might teach is trumped by my personal contact with God and what he tells me, even if it contradicts his word in the scriptures

How can you reason with that kind of blind arrogance?

Adrian is dead wrong when he claims you cannot find God in the scriptures.

In fact I believe it is highly unlikely that some one who cannot find God in the scriptures will find him outside of the scriptures. Very unlikely that such a person would have an authentic visitation from the true God

It is generally after they obtain a greater faith in him and understanding of his character and perfections and admonitions and teachings through his written word that they are eventually blessed with a manifestation of his spirit which leads them into his presence.

In my opinion it is because of Adrian’s lack of reverence and respect for God’s holy written word that he has been deceived and deluded into following a false prophet… and then deceived into meeting a false Christ himself.

Denver Snuffer is a magnet for those that have not found God through his written word.

That is the main takeaway that I left with when I went to Boise to hear Denver and see what kind of people that he was attracting.

Here is what I shared in a blog post years ago regarding the experience and impressions I had as I spoke to some of the Snufferites:

Both the couple to the right of me and the two men to the left of me commented on how marked up my scriptures were.
I was a little surprised at their amazement as I fully expected their scriptures to look the same way and for them to be significantly more doctrinally informed than the average member of the church.
In the brief exchange I had with them, they indicated they had not studied the scriptures very much and did not know much about doctrine.

The couple to the right of me did not have their scriptures with them.
The guy directly to the left of me had a completely unmarked but old set of scriptures that looked like they had seldom been opened.

Both sets of people on either side of me were hyper focused on Denver’s remarks and took voracious notes on notepads, as if Christ himself was speaking.
They seemed to hang on every word that Denver spoke…
I believe many of the followers of Denver are extremely naive from a doctrinal point of view.. and many of them appear to be very innocent.

Obviously, the people sitting close to me are not indicative of all of Denver’s followers. There are undoubtedly also followers of Denver who have searched the scriptures, determined that all is not well in Zion and are only too willing to jump on the bandwagon of a martyr that has the gonads to publicly challenge the church on these issues.”

Those observations are even more profound to me now than they were then after watching what has taken place during the last few years.

Those impressions were had at the very beginning of Denver’s movement. Now, years later, those of his original followers that have drunk the cool aid and become indoctrinated into the gospel of Denver Snuffer view the scripture through the lens of his interpretations and they are now easily convinced that God often does not mean what he says in the scriptures.

They have embraced Denver’s contempt for the scriptures as evidenced by Adrian’s blog post as well as some of the absurd statements made by Denver himself. Their refusal to take the promises and prophecies literally have damned them from learning the deeper things available in God’s written word…

You may be aware of the fact that Snuffer is now courting the fundamentalist communities. After flip-flopping so many times on the topic of polygamy he has apparently had ongoing communication with leaders of the polygamist communities.

The fact that they are happy with Denver and show no remorse for their polygamous lifestyles or any intention to stop the continuance of the practice is very revealing. It appears that Denver is tickling their ears and telling them what they want to hear about the issue, or he is just not addressing it so as not to offend them.

He was recently invited to speak to those at the “Rock” in Moab Utah. Do you think they have embraced him because he is telling them to repent of their polygamy and accept the true doctrine of Christ and the Fulness of the Gospel?

I don’t think so.

More likely he is tickling their ears and telling them that their lifestyle is acceptable to God.

I noticed that in his recent talk in Moab he once again said that the gathering to Zion was no longer going to take place in Missouri.

What part of-

“And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints—“?”

does he not understand coming from an all-knowing God who has all time, past, present and future continually before his eyes?

He uses section 124 and the declaration that Nauvoo is the “cornerstone of Zion” as evidence that God changed his mind about Jackson County being the “center place” of Zion…. Why would Nauvoo as the cornerstone negate Jackson county as the center place?

It simply demonstrates that Zion is a very large place.

As shown in a previous blog, if you calculate the distance between the center place and the cornerstone as depicted in modern revelation to determine the size of the total square, you have the same dimensions of Zion that are given in the Book of Revelation which supports that fact that God has not changed his unconditional declaration about where Zion is going to be.

Avoiding Deception

The scriptures tell us about two main ways that a person will not be deceived.

One is to treasure up God’s written word.

37 And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The other is to take the Holy Ghost as one’s guide.

57 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day

The above passage is one of the most misunderstood and misquoted scriptures. There are lots of members of the church and lots of Snufferites walking around thinking they have taken the Holy Spirit as their guide. However, those that have studied this topic realize that it is not possible to take the Holy Spirit as their guide until the fulness of the gospel and the full authority to administer the saving ordinances has been restored to the earth. Furthermore, those that discount and take lightly the written word of God cannot qualify to receive the Holy Spirit as their guide anyway.

Search the Scriptures!

Even though people like Denver and Adrian think you cannot find God in the scriptures and think they are above being limited by the limitations God places upon us in scripture, God seems to have a rather high opinion of his written scriptures.

In the 5th Chapter of John, Jesus admonished the unbelieving Jews to revisit and search the scriptures that they have misinterpreted.

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 ¶Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Christ is admonishing the unbelievers to go back to the basics and to reread the scriptures that they have previously wrested. Christ is not saying that scripture is unnecessary or non-credible. Just the opposite. He is stating that the scriptures identify him as the Christ and that if the stiff necked Jews understood how to read the scriptures under the influence of the spirit they would have accepted Christ.

He is actually providing a more narrow definition of what true scripture is. Every passage that testifies of Christ is true SCRIPTURE and it is the preliminary foundation upon which people become familiar with God through the manifestation of his spirit if they have believing hearts.

Those who think they can take God’s written word and the commandments therein lightly and bypass finding God in His written word, and then find themselves in God’s presence, deceive themselves and set themselves up for a great delusion and deception that will have them discounting and marginalizing the profundity of God’s written word.

In this day in age when literate people are expected by God and commanded by God to read, study and search his written word, it is not likely that one will end up avoiding deception by taking the Holy Ghost as their guide when they have rejected God’s written word.

The New Testament informs us that those who accepted and believed upon the words of God’s authorized servants would then validate the preaching of his servants by searching the scriptures:

10 ¶And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:10-11

Chapter 7 in the book of Jacob tells of how the anti-Christ Sherem contends with Jacob and how Jacob overcomes his false doctrine. Once the people have been restored to a state of peace and the love of God they once again searched the scriptures to stay on the narrow path-

19 And he said: I fear lest I have committed the unpardonable sin, for I have lied unto God; for I denied the Christ, and said that I believed the scriptures; and they truly testify of him. And because I have thus lied unto God I greatly fear lest my case shall be awful; but I confess unto God.
20 And it came to pass that when he had said these words he could say no more, and he gave up the ghost.
21 And when the multitude had witnessed that he spake these things as he was about to give up the ghost, they were astonished exceedingly; insomuch that the power of God came down upon them, and they were overcome that they fell to the earth.
22 Now, this thing was pleasing unto me, Jacob, for I had requested it of my Father who was in heaven; for he had heard my cry and answered my prayer.
23 And it came to pass that peace and the love of God was restored again among the people; and they searched the scriptures, and hearkened no more to the words of this wicked man.

Alma 17 informs us that the Sons of Mosiah had a sound understanding of the things of God because they had “searched the scriptures

2 Now these sons of Mosiah were with Alma at the time the angel first appeared unto him; therefore Alma did rejoice exceedingly to see his brethren; and what added more to his joy, they were still his brethren in the Lord; yea, and they had waxed strong in the knowledge of the truth; for they were men of a sound understanding and they had searched the scriptures diligently, that they might know the word of God.

Other passages showing how Christ viewed the scriptures as a key to understanding God’s plan are as follows;

Matthew 22:29
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God

Luke 24:32
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luke 24:45
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Taking Gods word lightly

Modern revelation informs us that taking the scriptures lightly is how the saints of the restoration got into trouble. They took the written word of God lightly:

43 And I now give unto you a commandment to beware concerning yourselves, to give diligent heed to the words of eternal life.
44 For you shall live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God.
45 For the word of the Lord is truth, and whatsoever is truth is light, and whatsoever is light is Spirit, even the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
46 And the Spirit giveth light to every man that cometh into the world; and the Spirit enlighteneth every man through the world, that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit.
47 And every one that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spiritcometh unto God, even the Father.
48 And the Father teacheth him of the covenant which he has renewed and confirmed upon you, which is confirmed upon you for your sakes, and not for your sakes only, but for the sake of the whole world.
49 And the whole world lieth in sin, and groaneth under darkness and under the bondage of sin.
50 And by this you may know they are under the bondage of sin, because they come not unto me.
51 For whoso cometh not unto me is under the bondage of sin.
52 And whoso receiveth not my voice is not acquainted with my voice, and is not of me.
53 And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groaneth under sin and darkness even now.
54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—
55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.
56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children ofZion, even all.
57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even theBook of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—

Denver Snuffer and his followers have become a law unto themselves.

They are too wise to be taught from the scriptures because they don’t think God can be found in them.

They have not yet figured out what it means to take the Holy Spirit as their guide.

They don’t understand that it is not fully possible to comply with that admonition until the servants return with the priesthood keys to perform the full saving ordinances and yet they think they have complied with that commandment.

Only a scripturally illiterate person who does not understand the requisite of the saving ordinances by one who has true priesthood authority can ingest Denver’s books and think they are congruent with God’s true teachings. Denver made the dumbfounding declaration in his book that you don’t need priesthood authority to be baptized.

You don’t need authority to baptize?

Are you serious?

Yes I realize that Denver has since back-tracked a bit on that erroneous proclamation but it is still very revealing that he would put something like that in print.

Approved of God

Why did Paul tell his hearers to study to find thyself approved of God”?

If one must study the written word of God to be approved of God, how does one enter into his presence and obtain eternal life by minimizing and questioning the accuracy of the written word?

IN the book of Alma, Amulek and Alma contend with the anti-Christ Zeezrom and are only able to overcome his sophistry because of their intimate knowledge and belief in God. Although it is evident that they are full of the spirit of God and have been visited and taught by angels, it was their belief in and diligence in studying the written word of God which qualified them to have the visitations they had enjoyed and to be taught the mysteries.

After Amulek had silenced Zeezrom, Alma began to “unfold the scriptures beyond that which Amulek had done”. (Alma 12:1)

Alma and Amulek were holy prophets of God who had been ORDAINED by GOD himself unto the Holy Order of the Melchizedek Priesthood and could speak directly in behalf of God from their own experience. They were filled with the spirit of prophecy and knew the thoughts of others, and yet they used the written word of God to teach others about the plan of salvation.

The Lesser Portion of His Word

The Book of Alma refers to the written word of God as the “lesser portion of his word”. The lesser portion needs to be taken seriously before the greater portion will be made available.

9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.
10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.
11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.

According to the Book of Alma, the written portion of Gods word is the “lesser portion” of Gods word that has been made available to “the children of men” (EVERYBODY !)

Those that harden their hearts towards the written portion of God’s word, are never allowed to understand the greater portion and they “know nothing concerning his mysteries”.

13 Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the [written] word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned.

It is apparent that anyone who questions the lesser portion of Gods’ word is not going to be given the greater portion and shown the mysteries.

How can the written word be found in the heart of someone that mocks the holy word of God and claims that God cannot be found in the written word?

I maintain that those living during modern times who are literate and have the ability to obtain God’s written word seldom if ever bypass the written word and enter into the presences of God purely based on their naive faith.

I can remember the first time I read the following words in the D&C in which the Lord, speaking to the quorum of the Twelve apostles through Joseph Smith, about four years before they were even called, were authorized by Christ to be able to say they had heard the voice of Christ simply because they read the revelation by the power of the Holy Ghost:

“31 And now I speak unto you, the Twelve—Behold, my grace is sufficient for you; you must walk uprightly before me and sin not.

32 And, behold, you are they who are ordained of me to ordain priests and teachers; to declare my gospel, according to the power of the Holy Ghost which is in you, and according to the callings and gifts of God unto men;

33 And I, Jesus Christ, your Lord and your God, have spoken it.

34 These words are not of men nor of man, but of me; wherefore, you shall testify they are of me and not of man;

35 For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, and by my power you can read them one to another; and save it were by my power you could not have them;

36 Wherefore, you can testify that you have heard my voice, and know my words.

If God authorizes those that read and believes his written words to testify to the world that they have heard his voice, as a result of reading them under the influence of the Holy Ghost, then I think it is safe to say that you can find God and even hear his voice in the written word.



Listing of Past Notable Emails

Notable Emails #28- “Why do we need prophets and apostles when they refer us to scholars for doctrine and church history understanding”Notable Emails #27 “what makes you so sure JS was not just a charlatan from the beginning?”

Noteable Emails #26 This and that, this and that, tell us how it is Hugh, we won’t look back!

Noteable Emails #25 “Can I ask you for some help with chapter 27 in 2 Nephi?”

Notable Emails #24 “I recently awoke or at least have begun to awaken. Since August I’m no longer blindly following the brethren and traditions of the church.”

Notable Emails #22 “My prediction is that those who accept the gospel of Bill Reel (non-literal historicity of the Book of Mormon) will ultimately either loose all of their faith…”

Notable Emails #21 ” I don’t believe the current LDS Church has ANY “authority” – especially BECAUSE they preach that the culmination of the Gospel is the Masonic Rituals..”

Notable Emails #19- “Sometime ago I had an extraordinary experience where I was forgiven of some of my sins”

 Notable Emails #18- “I wake up every morning with this intense feeling that we are getting closer”

 Notable Emails #17 “Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.”

 Notable Emails #16 “the Lord wouldn’t give a young church such responsibility so early”

Notable Emails #15: “It would be so hard to do if we didn’t have the word crunching software available to us to use. Now I can see why so many are deceived. “

 Notable Emails #14 (b) “who was the legal heir and successor of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.?”

 Notable Emails #14 (a) “Baptism for the dead is illogical and pretty much impossible to ever accomplish”

 Notable Emails Part 13 “Gileadi compares the Servant to Hezekiah, in that he answered for the temporal sins of the people and acted as a proxy savior”

 Notable Emails Part 12 “the scriptures will become corrupted and deceive the elect and give Satan power”

 Notable Emails Part 9 “My number one desire right now is to protect my wife and honor her tender feelings about the gospel as she understands it.”

 Notable Emails Part 8 “Who are the Jews and Gentiles?

Notable Emails Part 7 “My eyes have been opened”

Notable Emails Part 6: “Can anyone tell me anything about this blog?… This guy seems to have some new ideas I’ve never heard before using the scriptures to back his views.

Notable Emails Part 5: “the truths that both you and I hold so dear …are things that cannot be taught they can only be revealed.”

Notable Emails- Part 4 “I have now caught the spirit of watching along with you and others.”

Notable Emails- Part 3 “Have you ever read ‘Letter to a CES Director?’” Yes… and it has strengthened my testimony!

Notable Emails- Part 2: “Readers deserve to know if you truly are a heretic or just a faithful divergent thinker”

Notable Emails Part 1- Mormon Missionary: “I too am watching”

Who Hath Heard Such a Thing- Part Two

April 16, 2016

In the first part of this series I pointed out how an organization associated with the United Nations was planning on creating digital versions of the ancient Temple of Baal in the major financial centers of London and New York this month on April 19th.

Shortly after posting, a reader alerted me to the fact that they had announced a huge change in plans and were instead going to create the ancient Temple of Triumph and would only be placing it in London. It is believed by some that this “apparent” change in plans has been brought about by a global public outcry from Christians around the world. Just the fact that they were going to attempt to do what they had announced should be a major concern to Christians and a major sign of the times.

The term “Arch of Triumph” is a somewhat ambiguous term as there have apparently been multiple arches that have been referred to that way. When I did a quick cursory search I noticed that one such arch was erected during the rule and under the direction of Septimius Severus who is known for his persecution of Christians who did not worship the emperor and his gods.

Since doing that search I have listened to the research of another person that provides some very interesting historical information which suggests that the arch of Triumph that is being referred to is actually the arch of palmyra which is essentially the arch of Baal since it is still part of the ancient Baal Temple complex. If that is true, nothing much has changed except that they are just doing the initial roll out in London instead of in both places. (according to some sources the new Yuan will be introduced next Tuesday, April 19 and CHINA SAYS “NO DOLLARS” FOR NEW YUAN.  China plans to launch Yuan-denominated gold fix on April 19. THE FED is having multiple meetings, including with Obama and Biden. Plus the IMF, World Bank, ECB all in DC this week)

I still maintain that the President Elect prophecy still has to take place before a full-blown financial collapse and the MARK is implemented.


arch of palmyra

He further pointed out that many of these ancient arches represented the deification of various human rulers and therefore they are blasphemous. They also possibly imply the future return of these rulers and others… which is consistent with the prophecy in section 124 and many other passages in Isaiah and other scriptures about the kings and rulers of the world returning back to the earth in physical form at the time of the end.

Another prominent arch that he spoke of is the Arch of Titus which glorifies the destruction of the Jews and the temple in Jerusalem in about 70 AD.

[According to Wikipedia The Arch of Titus (Italian: Arco di Tito; Latin: Arcus Titi) is a 1st-century A.D. honorific arch,[1] located on the Via Sacra, Rome, just to the south-east of the Roman Forum. It was constructed in c. A.D. 82 by the Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’ victories, including the Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE). The arch has provided the general model for many triumphal arches erected since the 16th century—perhaps most famously it is the inspiration for the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, France.[2]  The soffit of the axi al archway is deeply coffered with a relief of the apotheosis of Titus at the center. The sculptural program also includes two panel reliefs lining the passageway within the arch. Both commemorate the joint triumph celebrated by Titus and his father Vespasian in the summer of 71.]]

top of arch 3


During his presentation he pointed out that a near replica of this ancient arch had been erected in New York deifying George Washington. Through it, one could gaze at the twin towers before they came down. Now, one can gaze at the one world freedom tower.


two arches


washington aprin


He spoke about how the destruction of the twin towers had been planned and embedded within the dollar bills. Most of us have seen the following image over the years provided by conspiracy theorists.


Perhaps the most important takeaway from all of this for me is that the arches spoken of not only seem to deify famous leaders in history, they seem to represent the future return of people in the flesh from the unseen world. In other words, the arch seems to represent some kind of mystical “portal” that enables people and/or creatures from the unseen world to enter into this dimension at the appointed time. There is evidence to suggest that the folks over at CERN are also focused on opening portals to bring forth their god(s)

One of the many paradigm shifts that I have had during my search for greater truth over the years is that initial return or resurrection from the dead that the scriptures speak of does not necessarily take place after mortal probation, during the “millennium” as the church often teaches. Many passages of scripture makes it appear as if it takes place during the Marvelous Work and a Wonder.

The book of Isaiah is pregnant with passages referring to the return of the dead. Isaiah 66 will be a primary focus of this part of the series. For years I have been speaking about the return of God’s servants who he refers to as the “first laborers of the last kingdom” and how many ancient prophecies speak of the seven servants that will go to and fro throughout the world at the time of the end.

In Isaiah 66 The Lord God of Israel showed the prophet Isaiah a vision of the birthing process in which the Kingdom of God would be delivered back into this world to roll forth in power for the last time, as documented in the book of Daniel.  After seeing how this amazing event would take place Isaiah exclaimed in awe:

“Who hath heard such a thing?”

What was it that was so shocking and illogical to this great prophet about this prophetic birthing process that would take place shortly before the coming of the Lord in glory?

The answer is found in verse 7:

“Before she travailed she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child… ”

Indeed, who has ever heard of a delivery where the birthing pains came AFTER the child was delivered?

How strange indeed.

The use of the term “man child” in Isaiah 66 is very significant because a keyword search directs us to a prophetic narrative in the 12 chapter of the JST version of the Book of Revelation.

As I have pointed out in my book, that prophetic narrative in the Book of Revelation documents how the “Man child” was caught up to heaven shortly after being delivered during the LDS restoration movement.

The fullness of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God came forth out of the wilderness for a brief 3 ½ period of time from June of 1831 to December of 1834 but then it fled back into the wilderness.

It is important to note that in John’s prophetic scenario, the birthing of the kingdom and bringing forth of the man child involved birthing pains PRIOR to and during the deliverance:

“And the woman being with child cried , travailing in birth and pained to be delivered”

Isaiah was differentiating the final birth of the kingdom of God on earth from the previous one that had taken place during Joseph’s ministry. The Book of Revelation shows that during Joseph’s ministry, the kingdom briefly came forth out of the wilderness and then fled back into the wilderness for a little season. Isaiah 66 shows how it will return back to the earth for the final victorious time in a very mystical and miraculous way.

Isaiah points out that after the man child is delivered, the pain would emerge. During and/or following the pain, the children of the kingdom would be brought forth;

“For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children”

The Book of Daniel informs us that when this great event or resurrection takes place, it will include both wicked and righteous souls from the past. We know this event takes place during probationary time because missionary work is still taking place. Some of those coming forth will “turn many to righteousness”:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Dan 12:1-2

Isaiah 66 seems to indicate that the birthing process begins or is associated with a “noise”  from the city which is the “voice from the temple”.

“A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies..”

At the end of the previous chapter Isaiah also provides narrative relative to the state of the apostate church that had “chosen their own ways” and “delighteth in their abominations”.

The Delusional Church

God informs us that –

I will choose their delusions and will bring their fears upon them because when I called none did answer, when I spake they did not hear but they did evil before mine eyes and chose that which I delighted not”

Such is the state of the LDS restoration movement and all of Christianity. We are a deluded people. Nevertheless, the Book of Mormon informs us that those who build up a church upon the works of men or the devil and refuse to build upon the foundation of the true gospel will have joy in their works for a season:

But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return.[1]

During the ministry of the Prophet Joseph Smith the saints rejected the fullness of the gospel and the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. Instead they were deceived by the craftiness of men. They accepted and put their faith in a pagan masonic temple ritual which represent “another gospel[2].

The Apostle Paul echoed the prophetic observations of Isaiah and used the same wording (delusion) when he prophesied about the apostate church and how God would send them a strong delusion because they chose to seek pleasure in unrighteousness instead of believing truth:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Both the false prophets within the church as well as virtually all of the false prophets that have been spun out of the church with the intent to “steady the ark” have all been staunch believers in the LDS temple endowment. The personal revelation these false prophets get is heavily influenced by the Temple “endowment” abomination that they have put their trust in instead of from the true endowment of fire and the Holy Ghost.

The temple ritual abomination has been the foundational source for receiving revelation of both the institutional prophets and the loose cannons that make false and delusional claims pertaining to priesthood authority and having a special secret relationship with God.

They are all deluded.

Questionable fruits have come from the prophets that were schooled in the false Temple ritual. Some of the false prophets have slit the throats of their victims, being inspired by the different ways of taking life that were once part of the temple ritual. Others of the false prophets claim they can “preserve” the priesthood authority, saving ordinances and true teachings of a religious organization that was rejected as a church with their dead by God over four generations ago.

These false prophets are oblivious to the need for the return of the fulness and the spiritual rebirth before Zion can be redeemed. They give logical and legalistic advice on how Zion can be redeemed by mortals through self-mastery, and by learning lessons from the mistakes of the saints in the past.

But I digress….

What about this amazing narrative that Isaiah gives us?

Has the Lord given additional light and knowledge about how Zion will be redeemed and how the kingdom of God will be returned to go forth filling the earth?


In October of 1831 Joseph  Smith had a prophetic dream that he had about the future rolling forth of the kingdom, quietly entered into the official history of the church. He gave no significant historical context for it nor did he provide any commentary on it.

Interestingly, this amazing dream about how the kingdom of God would return to the earth at a future time was intentionally omitted from the Book of Commandments that would be published long after the revelation was given.


Because, at the time the dream was given, the fullness of the Gospel and associated Priesthood were on the earth. The saints had been told that they had been given the kingdom.

The saints had every hope that they would be successful in redeeming Zion. They had every intention of taking the Kingdom of God forth into all the earth breaking down the corrupt kingdoms of the earth. The Lord had declared that he had already given them the kingdom:

Therefore, be ye strong from henceforth; fear not, for the kingdom is yours.[3]

This dream would have let the cat out of the bag if it had been published in the Book of Commandments. It would have informed the saints that their upcoming attempt at Zion and the spreading forth of the Kingdom of God as per the prophecies in the book of Daniel was going to fail. I believe this is why it was not included in the 1833 Book of Commandments. One of the remarkable things about Joseph Smith’ ministry is that he was quietly writing things in the journal about future events before they actually happened.

Interestingly, this dream WAS included in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants.


Because, by that time the church had been condemned and the fulness had been taken from the saints. The Melchizedek Priesthood and the kingdom of God had fled back into the wilderness.

The Doctrine and Covenants was documenting the apostasy of the church and revealing how the kingdom would be restored to the earth after a little season.

Nevertheless, the Lord was still laboring with the church and would commission the apostles to take the KNOWLEDGE of the fulness of the Gospel to the House of Israel[4]. The Lord is merciful and long-suffering.

The fulness of the Melchizedek priesthood had been taken away and the apostles were functioning in their apostolic calling under the patriarchal priesthood that had come down from the Old Testament Fathers such as Moses and Abraham[5]. This commission would begin the fulfillment of the prophecy in 3 Nephi 16.

The first verse of the prophetic dream would have been confusing to the saints had it been included in the Book of Commandments because it speaks of a “voice” coming down from heaven that is “mighty and powerful” that would cry out to the ends of the earth “prepare ye the way of the Lord”.

Hearken, and lo, a voice as of one sent down from on high, who is mighty and powerful, whose going forth is unto the ends of the earth, yea, whose voice is unto men—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Notice that the above prophetic dream speaks of the “voice” that goes forth just as Isaiah spoke of the a “noise” from the city which is the “voice from the temple”.

It appears this is what the Prophet Joseph Smith was referring to when he spoke of the “Sound” that will go forth from the Temple:

…It was a Pentecost and an endowment indeed, long to be remembered, for the sound shall go forth from this place into all the world, and the occurrences of this day shall be handed down upon the pages of sacred history, to all generations; as the day of Pentecost, so shall this day be numbered and celebrated as a year of jubilee, and time of rejoicing to the Saints of the Most High God.” –History of the Church, 2:432-33

It would appear that Joseph was speaking contextually about the sound- noise- voice that would take place when the servants of the Lord go forth for the last time from the Lord’s house:

That their hearts may be softened when thy servants shall go out from thy house, O Jehovah, to bear testimony of thy name; that their prejudices may give way before the truth, and thy people may obtain favor in the sight of all

I realize it is difficult to believe that anything significant is going to take place in the sleepy little community of Kirtland Ohio, but the promise of the Lord is that great blessings are yet to be poured out from the Kirtland Temple and it is yet going to be come famous among the nations when the servants return:

“And the hearts of thousands and tens of thousands shall greatly rejoice in consequence of the blessings which shall be poured out .. [from] this house… and the fame of this house shall spread to foreign lands…”  (D&C 110:9-10)

This famous noise is spoken of by many of the ancient prophets. Jeremiah associates the noise with the Lord’s controversy with the nations which takes place shortly after the end of the seventy year reign of Babylon.

At this time the Lord will begin to bring evil upon the city which calls themselves by his name. All of this is associated with the following descriptives…. a “roar” and “voice” and “shout” and “noise”:

For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the Lord of hosts.

 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.

A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord.[6]

Jeremiah is speaking of the judgment that is also yet to begin at the Kirtland Temple as prophesied of in Section 112.

Another reason why the prophetic dream in Section 65 would not have made sense in the Book of Commandments is because the commission to “prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight” had already been given to Joseph Smith and his associates… why would the Lord need to send someone down from heaven to declare the same warning?

Doctrine and Covenants 33:10

Yea, open your mouths and they shall be filled, saying: Repent, repent, and prepare ye the way of the Lord, and make his paths straight; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand;

Doctrine and Covenants 34:6

To lift up your voice as with the sound of a trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.

The dream continues to be illogical when taken in the context of the times in which it was received because the following passages speak of the keys of the kingdom of God being committed to man on the earth. Yet the keys had already been committed to man on the earth.. why did they need to be committed again to mortal man on the earth at some time in the future?

The keys of the kingdom of God are committed unto man on the earth, and from thence shall the gospel roll forth unto the ends of the earth, as the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth.

 Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.

 Pray unto the Lord, call upon his holy name, make known his wonderful works among the people.

When the LAW OF THE GOSPEL was given in section 42 the Lord declared that he had given the keys of the kingdom to Joseph and his associates:

Lift up your hearts and rejoice, for unto you the kingdom, or in other words, the keys of the church have been given. Even so. Amen.[7]

This was reiterated again in section 64:

And the keys of the mysteries of the kingdom shall not be taken from my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., through the means I have appointed, while he liveth, inasmuch as he obeyeth mine ordinances…[8]

 Why then the future need for a voice sent down from on high with the keys of the kingdom to go forth to the ends of the earth warning people to —Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight?

Needless to say, this amazing prophetic dream that Joseph had back in 1831 is just one more evidence that the Kingdom of God fled into the wilderness and will return at the appointed time. Isaiah informs us that the kingdom that Daniel spoke of will be birthed before the labor pains emerge.

“Who hath heard such a thing?”

Part three of this series will resume as soon as the servants have made themselves known and additional scripture has been brought forth for us to evaluate… keep watching

[1] 3 Nephi 27:11

[2] Gal 1:6

[3] Doctrine and Covenants 38:15 see also 35:27, 36;2, 38:9,

[4] See D&C 118

[5] See D&C 112:32 and section 110

[6] Jer 25:29-31

[7] Doctrine and Covenants 42:69

[8] Doctrine and Covenants 64:5

April 12, 2016

Victory! The Arch From The Temple Of Baal Planned For New York City Has Been CANCELED

Who Hath Heard Such a Thing? Part One

April 12, 2016

We are scarcely a few days past the real end of the much celebrated Shemitah year and into the beginning of the real Jubilee year (April 6) and some incredible things are taking place.

“Unprecedented Leak” Exposes The Criminal Financial Dealings Of Some Of The World’s Wealthiest People

One of them is the biggest leak in journalistic history, posting 11.5 million documents online and providing “rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows.”  It reveals secret financial transactions of hundreds politicians and celebrities in tax havens Panama. One politician has already resigned as a result of these disclosures.

Interestingly, none of the corrupt western politicians were exposed for hiding their immense wealth in secret offshore accounts. Some are claiming that the Clinton Foundation might be behind this leak.

largest leak


With the outrage this may bring among the masses, this conveniently provides one more reason for the PTB to generate societal buy-in to usher in an entirely new financial system that will be promoted as being “more equitable and transparent”.

“And this shall be the sound of his trump, saying to all people, both in heaven and in earth,
and that are

Although this latest leak dwarfs the information being leaked by Edward Snowden, the Snowden leak continues to reveal fascinating things, such as the fact that there are creatures living inside the earth. We seem to be entering into the era where hidden things are being brought to light..

Increase in Possession, Exorcism and Occult Activity

There have also been numerous youtubes and articles talking about the increase in occult activity and demon possession and the rise in exorcisms. Is it a coincidence that all of these things are now emerging at this time?

The Temple of Baal

It has been announced that a digital version of the Temple of Baal will be erected at Times Square in New York and Trafalgar Square London this month in April of 2016. This is apparently being accomplished using the worlds largest 3D printer. I am  not sure if this will be done in conjunction with a hologram or not. Some suspect that supernatural forces will be at play instead of just our worldly technology.

It is difficult to believe this is not joke done in poor taste but apparently it is not.

temple of baal

It is no coincidence that the two places that these replicas are first being erected are New York and London, the two financial centers of the world.  The completion of the Devil’s kingdom on earth and the placing of the capstone on the pyramid will usher in a new currency. Our modern day fiat currencies are an integral part of Satan’s occult system that rules the world, however the Book of Revelation informs us that eventually a mark will be given to all those that worship the beast and that only those with the mark will be able to buy or sell. Those who have not been gathered out before the system is completely implemented can look forward to participating in a shit storm of Biblical proportions.


They plan on eventually placing about 1,000 of these temples of Baal all over the globe.  It appears that the group doing this is under the United Nations and they are doing it under the guise of cultural and historical appreciation for World Heritage Week or some such nonsense.

The pagan god Baal  which is just another Old Testament name for Lucifer is mentioned several times in the Old Testament including the time when Elijah challenged the false prophets of Baal. Since the timing of this event coincides with the return of Elijah the Prophet, it appears that another contest between the forces of good and evil is about to take place? We have come full circle.

The Feast of Molech and the Blood Sacrifice of the Beast

In a day in age where it is illegal and politically incorrect  to place the ten commandments or a statue of Christ on public property, the PTB unabashedly will be putting these pagan temples everywhere.

There are conflicting reports about the start date of this event but it appears that it begins this month on April 19th which is associated with the “Feast of Molech“. This event ends on May 1st which is the occult holy day of Beltane. The 19th of April to the 1st day of May represents the 13 day period known as the “Blood Sacrifice of the Beast“.

All of this corresponds to an annual event held by many of the perverse economic and political leaders of this nation at the Bohemian Grove wherein they set up a pagan statue and offer up sacrifices to it..

Some believe that the temple of Baal will open a portal, perhaps even the very gates of hell, through which entities from beneath the earth will emerge. Some claim this temple and associated ceremonies  will initiate the resurrection of Baal to take his rightful place as the god of this physical world in physical form. It is rumored that the relatively new Jesuit Pope has announced his plans to retire in 2016 which begs the question of whether his upcoming resignation is to give his seat to the Beast that will be arriving.

Some prophecy enthusiasts have pointed out that the later part of April, from the 16th to the 19th is an ominous time period in history when several terrorist events have taken place.

April Events

Those desiring to research what is being said by those who are watching the prophetic events take place before our very eyes regarding the temples of Baal that are emerging, can simply google the topic and do some keyword searches on youtube. I am providing two random youtubes on the topic below:


*****Update *****

Probably as a result of the global public outcry from Christians around the world, it has been announced that the Temple of Baal project has been canceled… however, on the same date and place in London, they will be doing the same thing with the “Arch of Trumph

arch of trumph


The Arch of Triumph was erected during the rule and under the direction of Septimius Severus who is known for his persecution of Christians who did not worship the emperor and his gods. It may be that the ultimate result will be the same and yet, the fact that this abomination will only be taking place in London and not the US may be very significant.

Climate Change Agreement

Another interesting event that will be taking place this April is that a record number of more than 130 countries will sign the landmark agreement to tackle climate change at a ceremony at UN headquarters on 22 April, the United Nations said on Thursday.

Official representatives of the have UN have stated that the signing ceremony is the first step in ensuring that the agreement enters into force as soon as possible. It will take effect 30 days after at least 55 countries, accounting for 55% of global greenhouse gas emissions, deposit their instruments of ratification or acceptance with the secretary general.

Are Major Prophecies About to Be Fulfilled?

When I first heard about the Temple of Baal replicas, and now, the Arch of Triumph, there were several prophetic passages of scripture that came to mind. One of them was-

“But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains..” Mark 13:14

Another was-

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast and take the mark should be killed. Revelation 13:15

Is it possible that the emergence of this ancient Roman landmark could actually initiate or in some way be associated with the final emergence of the Anti-Christ spoken of in scripture?

Clearly we live in interesting times.

I have no idea if this upcoming event is just a preliminary warm up for the great events mentioned in the scriptures or if this is the actual start of one of the big events mentioned in prophecy.

I do think we are much further into the events of the end times than most believers realize.

My gut tells me this event that begins this month is only a type or a preliminary event to many of the end times prophecies because we still need to see the completion of the President Elect prophecy as contained in section 124 which will possibly be played out in this coming election. Nevertheless, it appears that things are going to begin moving pretty swiftly from this point on.

Prophetic Landmarks From the May 12th Discourse

The reason that the final ushering in of Satan’s kingdom is so significant from a prophetic timeline point of view is that the Prophet Joseph Smith gave a sermon on May 12th, 1844 in which he declared that God and Satan would usher in their final kingdoms on earth at about the same time!

In the sermon, Joseph translated Matthew 24 from a German Bible to make some very important clarifications about the events of the end times.

“I shall read the 24th. ch of Matthew and give it a litteral rendering and reading, and when it is rightly understood it will be edifying (he then read & translated it from the German) I thought the very oddity of its rendering would be edifying any how–“

One of the interesting interpretive inflections that Joseph revealed is as follows:

“The Kingdom must preached be to a witness over all Nation People.” “preached to a man who should be a witness to all people, is the meaning of the text.”

As you can see, the translation Joseph was providing differed from how the King James translation reads. First the gospel was to be preached to a person and then, eventually, that person would stand as a witness to all people! Joseph was that person who first received the fulness of the Gospel during the 1831 to 1834 time period.

Although the entire church eventually fell under condemnation necessitating him to offer up an intercessary atonement, the foundation for a future and final restoration to take place in which Joseph would return as God’s final witness when the gospel goes forth into all the world for the last time.

He then stands as a witness over the world. This is very consistent with the unusual emphasis that modern revelation puts on the role of Joseph Smith in Sections 21 and 109 which we have recently reviewed in a previous post. Without an understanding of the intecession that Joseph was ordained to provide, those sections of scripture make Mormonism look like a cult in the eyes of Biblical Christians.

Another snippet of Joseph’s discourse from one of the dairies has Joseph declaring that-

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world..”

Joseph then followed up that observation by identifying himself as the last prophet that would stand as a witness over the nations. He notes that the keys of the mysteries had been given to him as evidenced by his history of digging up hidden mysteries to reveal to his hearers. He was giving this sermon at a time when many of his followers were saying he no longer had right to the keys of the kingdom:

“ has always been my province to dig up hidden mysteries, new things, for my hearers– just at the time when some men think that I have no right to the keys of the Priesthood just at that time, I have the greatest right–“

In this sermon Joseph was revealing some amazing mysteries about how the final restoration would take place at a future time under his direction. It appears as if Joseph was referring to the mysteries he was unfolding in the sermon as proof that he still held the keys of the kingdom.

The above declaration had to do with the fact that people were claiming Joseph Smith no longer held the keys of the kingdom. These accusations had to do in part, with the fact that the heavens had closed shortly after the saints arrived in Nauvoo. Section 124 given in 1841 was the last major revelation of record. Following that, Joseph was no longer bringing forth revelation for the church. Just one year before this sermon Joseph had declared that he would no longer prophesy for the church and that his brother Hyrum who had been called in 1841 to be a co-president of the church, was now the sole prophet of the church.

In this sermon Joseph also responded to the accusations by some that were calling him a fallen prophet.

“ apostate enemies say that I have been a true prophet–& I had rather be a fallen true prophet, than a false prophet..”

What a curious response!

Instead of denying that he was a fallen prophet, he pointed out that it was better to be a “true fallen prophet” than a “false prophet”.

That declaration must have shocked some of his listeners because Joseph was not necessarily denying the accusation.

He seemed to be acknowledging that he may be a fallen true prophet. But he was pointing out that there is a profound distinction between a true prophet that temporarily falls, as opposed to a false prophet that has never truly prophesied and brought forth the word of God.

One has to wonder if Joseph is alluding to his role as an intercessor who temporarily falls because the sins of apostate latter day Israel are placed upon him.

In this sermon Joseph pointed out that the kingdom of God and the Kingdom of the Devil would emerge at the same time when the last great work comes forth:

“ relation to the Kingdom of God–the devil always sets up his Kingdom at the very same time in opposition to God”

That is why I find the attempt to erect a Temples of Baal in Times Square this month very fascinating. If that attempt really involved the intent having to do with the resurrection of Baal to physically rule over his earthly kingdom, then it is a sign that God’s Kingdom is also getting ready to come forth. According to Joseph, God and his servant return to the vineyard at about the same time that Satan’s places the final capstone on his earthly kingdom. For those that don’t think that Lucifer manifest himself in physical form on this earth during the end times, the eventual physical resurrection of Lucifer is clearly documented in Isaiah 14.

Following the above declaration Joseph spoke of the grand council in heaven and how he had been ordained to his office in that council:

“..every man who has a calling to minister to the Inhabitants of the world, was ordained to that very purpose in the grand Council of Heaven before this world was–I suppose that I was ordained to this very office in that grand Council–

In the sermon Joseph again identifies himself as having a future role in setting up the kingdom that Daniel prophesied about. Keep in mind that the kingdom had been restored a decade earlier through Joseph Smith and yet Joseph was speaking in 1842 about his role in a future event that would bring for the kingdom of God on earth:

I calculate to be one of the Instruments of setting up the Kingdom of Daniel, by the word of the Lord, and I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world--“

 Clearly Joseph is alluding to the fact that the kingdom of God that he had previously in instrumental in bringing forth, had fled back into the wilderness and would need to come forth at a later time.

In the sermon, Joseph lists many of the signs of the times mentioned in Matthew 24, that are taking place right now, including the “distress of nations” that is currently taking place. Some of this distress is being caused by weather. Some by technology. Some events are causing a huge displacement of refugees seeking another place to live. In turn, the influx of these people into other cultures is further distressing the nations and resulting in a partial fulfillment of another prophecy in Micah that speaks of the Lord’s servant who shall “be the peace when the Assyrian shall come into our land.” No doubt the distress of nations also has to do with terrorists.

In this May 12th 1844 sermon Joseph infers that he is going to be the angel that John the Revelator had seen flying in the midst of heaven having the everlasting gospel to preach to the world :

I have read it precisely as the words flowed from the lips of Jesus Christ–John the Revelator saw an angel flying thro’ the midst of heaven, having the everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, &c. the Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, great distress, judgments, &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth–John saw the angel having the holy Priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations,–God had an angel, a special messenger, ordained, & prepared for that purpose in the last days–

After identifying himself as the angelic messenger who would return with the “holy priesthood” to preach the “everlasting gospel” and help roll out the kingdom of God that Daniel prophesied about, Joseph prophesied that there would be believers in the LDS restoration movement that would oppose him and God when they return to the vineyard.

Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days.–for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones–

There are already many false teachers and prophets among us that ignore the countless scriptural evidences that Joseph is coming back. Some of these are institutional prophets while others are leaders of offshoots. Some are teaching that Joseph cannot finish the calling that he was ordained to do and that someone other than Joseph must finish the work he left unfinished. According to Isaiah 49, Joseph’s initial attempt at gathering Zion fails but he is eventually successful in gathering Israel.

According to the above sermon, if these false prophets and teachers do not repent, they will be among the false prophets and teachers mentioned in the New Testament that will play an integral role in deceiving almost the very elect. Joseph is revealing exactly why these false prophets are so dangerous to other souls. In the words of Joseph Smith, “Woe Woe” unto these false prophets.

In part two of this series we shall review the amazing prophecy of Isaiah in which he was shown how the kingdom of God would be birthed when it comes forth for the final time. He sees an anomaly in the birthing process that clearly differentiates itself from the previous birth of the kingdom during Joseph Smith’s ministry. It causes him to exclaim “Who Hath Heard Such a Thing?”

Finally, in part three of this series, we shall review some amazing prophecies that seem to indicate that God and His servant may have already returned to the vineyard and that the servant is about to make himself known. At that time another record will come forth and a great test will once again take place.

Those who have treasured up the word of God and have taken the Holy Spirit as their Guide will not be deceived.

Are you watching?