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On November 12th 2014 I got an email from an LDS Missionary that had been reading my blog.
He had been out for about 8 months.
Apparently he had been reading it even before he went on his mission.
Naturally I was a little surprised and unnerved that an LDS missionary was reading the controversial stuff on my blog.
The email began thusly:
I’ve thought of contacting you for a long time, but with 1 whopping hour of allotted email time I’ve barely the time to send out anything I’ve fully thought through.
I too am watching.
I’m 23 years old and have been out nearly a year on my mission. My name is Elder XXXXXX and contacting you comes from the desire to have a candid conversation with you..”
After reading everything he had to say to me, this was my response to him:
Thank you so much for your email.
Praise God for missionaries like you.
You are on an amazing journey.
You are engaged in a great work and also being prepared for a future work.
What can be more important and more spiritually rewarding right now than presenting the Book of Mormon to people and testifying of it’s truthfulness!
I am blown away by how much you appear to know for being so young. I feel we have much in common. I was also a bit wild during my youth before my mission.
Once on my mission I delved into the deep doctrine and mysteries instead of staying with the basics of declaring faith and repentance. I read the books, Mormon Doctrine and Jesus the Christ during my mission which was considered to be pretty deep stuff for missionaries back in the day… shortly after the flood. 😉
I obviously did not know a fraction of what you know, back when I was on my mission.
I am curious to know how long before your mission it was that you began to study the writings of “intellectuals” and LDS apologists, and Givens and Snuffer.
I would encourage you to prayerfully consider staying away from controversial blogs like mine and Snuffers until after your mission is over so that you can stay focused on the incredibly important work that you are currently engaged in.
Keep the faith brother.
I am praying for you.
Naturally, he did not take my advice.
That email was the beginning of a wonderful relationship. We have exchanged many emails since then. He is one of many people that I have been blessed to become friends with as a result of my blog.
Recently, Mrs Watcher and I had an opportunity to have a conversation with him and to find out a little bit more about his journey in searching the scriptures and studying the gospel.
In this interview he shares some interesting and funny mission experiences wherein he was quite outspoken about his unconventional believes. He also shares with us one of his favorite scriptures. He has also become a blogger!!
I apologize the quality of the audio is not real good. Our guest used a head set but for some reason his voice faded in an out during the interview. If any of you high tech recording gurus know what I am doing wrong, please let me know. There is probably some kind of setting adjustment I need to make.
Enjoy the interview.
BTW From time to time we plan on doing more interviews.
If you have a favorite scripture and/or doctrinal theme you would like to share along with a few details about your spiritual journey in searching the scriptures, let us know by sending a proposed outline of discussion points that you would suggest. Obviously, we love hearing about any life experiences that you would like to share but the main focus will be on the scriptures.
If we feel that it would be congruent with the general purpose of this blog, we will contact you to set up an interview.
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In a few past blog posts and in a recent podcast, we shared the following snippet from an obscure patriarchal blessing that Sidney Rigdon got from Joseph Smith Sr. on September 14 1835:
The Lord has made thee a mighty man, he has endowed thee with gifts and understanding superior to many, and has called upon thee to exercise the same in his cause.
When thou goest forth to execute thy mission the Lord will be with thee: the earth shall tremble before thee, the rivers shall turn out of their course, and if it were needful, the lions shall roar out of the forest, while the enemies of the Lord shall stand afar off and tremble, having no power to harm the saints.
Thou shalt have power to call thousands into the kingdom, who will rejoice that such a man was born.
Thou shall receive an ordination not many days hence which shall surpass all human understanding; for thy Redeemer shall come down and stand before thee-thou shalt see his face and hear his voice and great shall be thy rejoicing.
Thou shalt have power to call all thy ungodly relatives into the church; for the Lord surely will give thee great power in their presence, and they shall be constrained to acknowledge that his power is round about thee to keep thee.
The promise that Sidney would “receive an ordination” that will “surpass all human understanding” and would stand before the Redeemer and see his face and hear his voice and rejoice came AFTER Sidney saw the Father and the Son as documented in Section 76.
It is only natural to speculate what this very strange ordination had to do with. It sounds as if it may be the literal fulfillment of his role as the scapegoat in the atonement statute prophecy found in Leviticus 16-
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
(Statutes are enactments of future prophetic events)
Did Sidney’s ordination and the appearance of Christ that he was promised ever unfold after that?
While reading one of Sidney’s discourses given in April of 1844, I noticed that he made the following declaration:
“I have handled, seen, heard things which I have not yet told”
I don’t think he planned on revealing the details to anyone of that generation regarding that statement, yet he felt a need to make that declaration in a public sermon that would be recorded and made public for future generations to see.
In a previous Nauvoo Sermon given by Joseph Smith in may of 1842, Joseph Smith had said:
“No one can truly say he knows God until he has handled something, and this can only be in the holiest of holies”
That would indicate that probably both Joseph and Sidney had experienced and gained a similar personal witness by handling something.
It may also indicate that both the blood sacrifice offering servant and the scapegoat sacrifice servant very possibly had their ordination/anointings for their respective callings at the same place and during the same general time period.
My guess is that they had their experiences at the same time in the most holy place in the Kirtland Temple.
The secret visitation of Christ, Moses Elias and Elijah behind the veil in the Kirtland Temple to Joseph and Oliver was apparently not the only secret visitation that took place.
Sidney (and probably Joseph) had a visitation wherein they handled, saw and heard things behind the veil in the Kirtland Temple, before it became defiled and the saints fled from Kirtland.
Those of us that are watching and paying attention to detail, and trying to connect dots are blessed to make these connections.
It almost feels as if those cryptic statements made by Joseph and Sidney were made for the benefit of those of us that would be searching for hidden treasures of knowledge four generations later..
Pretty mystical and mind-blowing don’t you think?
BTW if you have not heard the podcast about Sidney Rigdon you have listen to it here
In a recent podcast and also a blog, it was discussed how the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants came into being and how Joseph and Sidney and the other members of the First Presidency were commissioned by the church on September 24 1834 to “arrange the items of doctrine of Jesus Christ”
Oliver Cowdery had previously been blessed in April 1834 “to assist brother Sidney [Rigdon] in arranging the church covenants.” From that, we know that publishing a canon of scripture was already on the drawing board.
It would appear as if the commission given to Sidney and Oliver of arranging of the church covenants (revelations received through Joseph Smith) was merged into the commission of the four member First Presidency of arranging the items of doctrine of Jesus Christ.
This historical context has been obscured over time.
When one compares the wording of the commission given to the first presidency to the wording of the preface of the finished work (1835 Doctrine and Covenants) it is apparent that the Doctrine and Covenants was never intended to simply be a canonized record of the revelations that Joseph Smith received.
Rather, the arranging of the church covenants (revelations) was integrated into the commission to the First Presidency to arrange the items of the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
See the comparison below of the wording of the original commission with the wording in the preface of the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants. I believe this shows that the canon of scripture produced, was the result in part, of the commission given to the First Presidency and it was to include inspired words about the doctrine of Jesus Christ and the plan of Salvation that he offers, in addition to the selected revelations that Joseph Smith brought forth.-
The School of the Prophets
The School of the Prophets began within a year after Joseph and Sidney had the heavens opened and conversed with the Father and the Son.
During that first and only session of the School of the Prophets that lasted about three months, the Father and the Son appeared to some of the High Priests while attending the lectures.
According to the account given, the appearance of the Father and Son in the School of the Prophets matched the description of the Father and the Son given in Lectures on Faith, with the Father being a personage of glorified spirit while the Son is a personage of tabernacle.
Those that claim that the nature and character of God as taught in the Lectures on Faith is not as accurate and credible as the conflicting doctrine taught in the King Follett Discourse would do well to take note of the timing when both of these teaching emerged.
Lectures on Faith was written during the early Kirtland years during the most revelatory time of the restoration. The heavens were open and revelation was flowing with great rapidity.
The King Follett Discourse on the other hand, was given in the late Nauvoo years when dark things were taking place in the church and the heavens were closing.
The Description of God in Lectures
came from Personal Testimony
The Father and Son had appeared to Joseph and Sidney and then to some members of the School of the Prophets within the same general time period that Lectures on Faith was taught and written for inclusion into the Doctrine and Covenants. Joseph and Sidney knew from personal experience what they were talking about. From the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
On the other hand, the leaders and members had been declared to be under condemnation and the fulness of the priesthood lost, and the heavens had been closing, by the time that the contradictions in the King Follett Discourse were recorded.
The School of the Prophets took place when the
Fulness was on the Earth
Notice from the graphic below that the School of the Prophets was held during the 3 1/2 year revelatory sweet spot during which the fulness of the gospel was on the earth. That school was only for High Priests who had been sanctified and cleansed from the blood and sins of that generation. They participated in the missionary ordinance of washing of feet. Those high priests included the “first laborers of the last kingdom“. The number of participants was quite small. It was preparing them for when God would call them into the vineyard for the last time in the 3rd watch.
After the 3 1/2 year period was over, the School of the Prophets was never held again with God’s blessing. However, the School of the Elders was initiated. A session was held from November 1834 to March of 1835. Another session was held from November of 1836 to March of 1836.
This school invited Elders and some sisters to participate. The number of participants was quite large. These students were not required to be clean from the blood and sins of the world and they did not participate in the washing of feet. They were being trained for an interim missionary calling that would take place BEFORE the first laborers of the last kingdom go forth in power for the last time
Since the church had collectively rejected the fulness of the Gospel and been declared by God to be under condemnation by the time the first session had ended, the Lord desired the “doctrine” portion of the Doctrine and Covenants (Lectures on Faith) to be included in the canon of scripture to prepare the minds and hearts of the saints until the final restoration takes place.
You and I are among the blessed recipients of the doctrine of Salvation and commandments that are documented in the Doctrine and Covenants.
Earlier and Later Editions were in Chronological Order
With the exception of the revelation that had been designated as the “preface” the 1833 Book of Commandments, the revelations were placed in chronological order based on the date they had been received.
That is true of our modern Doctrine and Covenants as well.
Placing the revelations in chronological order by date received, makes perfect sense when simply canonizing revelations.
However, the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants was NOT just a canon of scripture. It was a compilation of inspired writings about the doctrine of salvation combined with many of the pertinent revelations received by Joseph Smith. This is why the content, including the revelations, needed to be ARRANGED according to content rather that simply placed in chronological order
This is why Sections like 84, 88, and 107 are placed chronologically much earlier in the 1835 edition even though they had been received much later than many of the revelations that they were placed in front of.
The placement of sections 107, 84, 88 and others was intentional and it should have never been changed in modern versions.
Those desiring to have a better understanding of the doctrine of salvation would do well to make note of the intentional content based chronology and look for theological reasons for the placement of the revelations.
It is likely that they were crafted for the purpose of complying with the mandate of providing clarification on the doctrine of Salvation. Again, they were placed in the order of the canon based on content not date chronology.
It appears as if revelations like Section 84 and 88 were not randomly received without a petition, rather, they were received pursuant to a specific petition by members of the committee and others asking for further knowledge based on the mandate given to the committee.
Section 84 was given to Joseph Smith and six elders who “united their hearts and lifted their voices on high” desiring the “word of the Lord concerning his church”
Section 88 was given in response to several elders who had “assembled” themselves together to “receive his will” concerning them.
All of this provides additional testimony for supporting the suppositions being made about why and how the Lectures on Faith were commanded to be written according to the commission given to the first presidency.
Interestingly, Sections 84 and 88 declare that the leading elders had been sanctified and entered into the oath and covenant of the priesthood, proving that they had been cleansed from the blood and sins of that generation.
These revelations were given just prior to the start of the school of the prophets in which the Father and the Son visited. This prepared some of the leading elders to offer up an intercessory atonement offering much like the one that Moses offered for ancient Israel. It also qualified the leading elders to administer the ordinance of washing of feet to the others that were called by revelation to participate in the school of the prophets.
The latest podcast about Sidney Rigdon is now available
I believe that Sidney Rigdon will be one of the greatest prophets that ever lived after he has completed his commission from the Lord.
In the podcast I briefly mentioned that it appears to me that Sidney Rigdon had actually been called to his ministry by God BEFORE Joseph Smith was called to his ministry.
Sidney Rigdon apparently held lineal priesthood.
Because of this, it was arguably Sidney Rigdon that actually began the setting up of the Kingdom of God that is spoken about in the Book of Daniel.
Since I was not able to fully develop this concept during the podcast, I thought I would provide a little additional information in this post.
In the Book of Daniel we are informed that in the latter days, God would set up his kingdom. The prophetically cryptic narrative likens the kingdom to a stone and informs us that the “stone” (kingdom of God) would be cut out of a mountain without hands.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Modern revelation informs us that the kingdom spoken of in the Book of Daniel had been set up during Joseph Smith’s ministry.
It had been set up prior to the dedicatory prayer of the Kirtland Temple that was given on March 27 1836 (Section 109)
It also decodes the cryptic meaning of the phrase “cut out of the mountain without hands” to refer to the fact that the kingdom would be “set up without hands“.
72 Remember all thy church, O Lord, with all their families, and all their immediate connections, with all their sick and afflicted ones, with all the poor and meek of the earth; that the kingdom, which thou hast set up without hands, may become a great mountain and fill the whole earth;
73 That thy church may come forth out of the wilderness of darkness, and shine forth fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners; D&C 109:72-73
Although it is nice to get that clarity, the mystery of how the kingdom was set up without hand is still not solved.
In fact, the above clarity creates somewhat of a conundrum.
More on that later.
What is the difference between setting up God’s kingdom “with hands” or “without hands“?
To me, it is obvious.
Modern revelation makes it clear that it takes priesthood authority to set up God’s kingdom. One of the things we learn from Joseph Smith’s ministry is that priesthood keys and callings can be bestowed or confirmed by hand. In other words, by the laying on of hands. .
Indeed Moroni informed Joseph Smith that Elijah the prophet would reveal the priesthood by hand before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
“And again, he quoted the fifth verse thus: Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”
Although Elijah the prophet did in fact appear to Joseph and Oliver a few days after the dedicatory prayer, (Section 110) he did not reveal anything by hand.
He simply declared that the prophecy of his coming by Malachi, had already been fulfilled.
He verified that the “keys” (that he had previously revealed by the laying on of hands) had been committed to “their hands“.
13 After this vision had closed, another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:
14 Behold, the time has fully come, which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi—testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come—
15 To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse—
16 Therefore, the keys of this dispensation are committed into your hands; and by this ye may know that the great and dreadful day of the Lord is near, even at the doors.
How is it possible that Elijah the Prophet had already bestowed priesthood keys by hand? After all, according to the history of the church, section 110 represents the first time that Elijah appeared during the LDS restoration movement.
We have covered that mystery in previous posts. The Inspired Joseph Smith Revision of the Bible reveals that Elijah the Prophet from the Old Testament, is also John the Baptist in the New Testament.
Hence, Elijah the Tishbite, had already appeared to Joseph and Oliver in the personage of John the Baptist, and revealed and restored the priesthood by hand, back on May 15 1829. (Section 13)
1 Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness. Doctrine and Covenants 13:1
The chapter heading in Section 13 informs us that –
“the ordination was done by the hands of an angel..”
One of the trademarks of Joseph Smith’s ministry that differentiates it from most other Christian traditions is the bestowing of priesthood authority and power and spiritual blessings by the laying on of hands.
John the Baptist conferred the priesthood by the laying on of hands.
The elders began confirming members of the church by the laying on of hands.
The Melchizedek Priesthood was confirmed by the laying on of hands according to the voice of God out of heaven.
So why does the Book of Daniel inform us that the Kingdom of God that was set up, would be set up without hands?
Doesn’t that seem counterintuitive and contradictory to the official storyline of the latter day saint restoration?
Yes and no.
Hidden in plain site in the restoration narrative is the fact that priesthood authority does not always appear to be bestowed or confirmed by hand.
There is a secret backstory that has been omitted from the official history of the church.
This back story was revealed and declared by Joseph Newton, William Richards, and William Stanley, in 1863. These three individuals had identified Sidney Rigdon as the only possible successor to Joseph and Hyrum Smith as the prophet, seer and revelator of the restored church. They were reaching out to Latter day Saints to prove their case.
The name of their essay was “An Appeal to the Latter day Saints”
Here is a snippet from their thesis:
“Turn to the Book of Mormon and the former commandments,” 8th section and 13th paragraph of Doctrine and Covenants, we read thus:
“And now behold I give unto you (O. Cowdery), and also unto my servant Joseph, the keys of this gift, which shall bring to light this ministry.”
What ministry? Surely the ministry which was to finish the work of bringing to pass the restoration of Israel, and through these means prepare the way for the coming of Christ.
It is worthy of remark here, that the Spirit did not say, I give to you this ministry, but the keys to bring it to light.
Did they bring it to light? In the 11th section and 2nd paragraph, the following things on this subject are found. Let us here state a fact in relation to this revelation. It was written the first time that Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon met; they had never seen each other till then.
“Behold, verily, verily I say unto my servant Sidney, I have looked upon thee and thy works. I have heard thy prayers, and prepared thee for a greater work. Thou art blessed, for thou shalt do great things. Behold thou wast sent forth even as John, to prepare the way before me and before Elijah which should come.”
Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were told that they had the keys of this gift which should bring to light this ministry; and they say of Sidney Rigdon: “Thou art the man;” and who dare say they falsified?
Here the great question is settled. Those to whom it was given to point out this ministry, have pointed to the very man, calling him by name. No dispute can ever exist among those who turn to the Book of Mormon and the former commandments about it. Sidney Rigdon.. is the one who is to gether up the residue, after all others are broken and scattered…”
Section 35 of the LDS Doctrine and Covenants is where the complete revelation is recorded. It informs us that God had called Sidney Rigdon to the ministry and sent him forth by simply inspiring him and placing a desire within his heart to preach the gospel. This calling from God took place without the opening of the heavens, without the visitation of angels, and WITHOUT THE LAYING ON OF HANDS!
One of the trademarks of Sidney’s preliminary ministry is that it was not initiated or conducted by the laying on of hands.
Yet he had a valid priesthood calling and ministry from God-
4 Thou art blessed, for thou shalt do great things. Behold thou wast sent forth, even as John, to prepare the way before me, and before Elijah which should come, and thou knewest it not.
5 Thou didst baptize by water unto repentance, but they received not the Holy Ghost;
6 But now I give unto thee a commandment, that thou shalt baptize by water, and they shall receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, even as the apostles of old.
As you can see, Sidney’s calling and ministry and priesthood authority was valid and endorsed by God.
Yet there was no laying on of hands.
I believe this reveals the great secret of how God’s kingdom was initially SET UP WITHOUT HANDS.
It appears to me that God did not initiate the latter day restoration movement through Joseph Smith. He did it through Sidney Rigdon. Rigdon prepared the way before Joseph’s ministry just as John the Baptist prepared the way before Christ’s ministry.
Joseph’s public ministry did not begin until about 1829-30 when he brought forth the Book of Mormon and formally organized the church. However, Sidney began preaching before 1820 and had established himself as one of the great Bible scholars and orators BEFORE the official restoration of the church.
Sidney Rigdon was a literalist. He knew that the true Church of Christ would be established just like the New Testament Church was and that it would have all of the miracles and spiritual gifts that the New Testament Church had enjoyed. He also was convinced that the body of Christ would have all things in common.
His associate Alexander Campbell disagreed.
This is why he parted ways with Alexander Campbell.
God had placed Sidney Rigdon and the members of his congregation in the land of Kirtland where the latter day restoration and gathering was to begin.
It was Joseph’s congregation that needed to relocate to Sidney’s place in the vineyard.
Sidney and his congregation had been practicing a form of New Testament communitarianism long before Joseph received a revelation validating that necessity of the practice.
On the very day that Sidney Rigdon met Joseph Smith, God revealed that He would use Sidney Rigdon as a divine vessel to bestow the Holy Ghost.
When the great, last work begins, all those that desire to preach the everlasting gospel must come before Joseph and Sidney to be ordained.
Sidney was to stand side by side with Joseph Smith in conducting the latter day work of taking the gospel to the world:
2 And I will lay my hand upon you by the hand of my servant Sidney Rigdon, and you shall receive my Spirit, the Holy Ghost, even the Comforter, which shall teach you the peaceable things of the kingdom;
3 And you shall declare it with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna, blessed be the name of the most high God.
4 And now this calling and commandment give I unto you concerning all men—
5 That as many as shall come before my servants Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith, Jun., embracing this calling and commandment, shall be ordained and sent forth to preach the everlasting gospel among the nations—
6 Crying repentance, saying: Save yourselves from this untoward generation, and come forth out of the fire, hating even the garments spotted with the flesh.
7 And this commandment shall be given unto the elders of my church, that every man which will embrace it with singleness of heart may be ordained and sent forth, even as I have spoken.
Although Joseph and Sidney worked in concert together, they each had separate and distinct ministries and administrations.
The Lord further differentiated and clarified their separate administrations in Section 90.
Notice how he acknowledges that the kingdom is in the process of coming forth for the last time:
Thus saith the Lord, verily, verily I say unto you my son, thy sins are forgiven thee, according to thy petition, for thy prayers and the prayers of thy brethren have come up into my ears.
2 Therefore, thou art blessed from henceforth that bear the keys of the kingdom given unto you; which kingdom is coming forth for the last time.
3 Verily I say unto you, the keys of this kingdom shall never be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come;
Although the kingdom had already begun to be set up and was in the process of emerging and that this emerging kingdom was coming forth for the last time, it is heavily implied that the kingdom would flee from the earth for a while leaving only the written oracles to guide people-
4 Nevertheless, through you shall the oracles be given to another, yea, even unto the church.
5 And all they who receive the oracles of God, let them beware how they hold them lest they are accounted as a light thing, and are brought under condemnation thereby, and stumble and fall when the storms descend, and the winds blow, and the rains descend, and beat upon their house.
The Lord makes it clear that Sidney and Frederick hold the keys of the last kingdom jointly and equally with Joseph Smith.
6 And again, verily I say unto thy brethren, Sidney Rigdon and Frederick G. Williams, their sins are forgiven them also, and they are accounted as equal with thee in holding the keys of this last kingdom;
Now the Lord is going to differentiate between Joseph’s administration and the administration that is given to Sidney and Frederick.
7 As also through your administration (Sidney and Frederick) the keys of the school of the prophets, which I have commanded to be organized;
8 That thereby they may be perfected in their ministry for the salvation of Zion, and of the nations of Israel, and of the Gentiles, as many as will believe;
Sidney and Frederick are to organize and instruct the elders so that they may become perfected in their ministry. This is why Sidney was the principle instructor in the school of the prophets and this is why he wrote the Lectures on Faith.
Now the Lord addresses Joseph’s administration:
9 That through your administration (Joseph Smith) they may receive the word,
Joseph was to act as a revelator and bring forth the word of God and to deliver it to Sidney and Frederick.
Now the Lord addresses the ministry of Sidney and Frederick again:
and through their administration (Sidney and Frederick) the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews.
Sidney began setting up the kingdom of God before Joseph was called to his ministry.
He was called by God to that work without the laying on of hands.
Joseph was later called to his ministry and given priesthood keys by the laying on of hands.
Sidney joined forces with Joseph Smith and they worked together in laying the foundation of a future work. In other words, they were helping to establish and set up the Kingdom of God on earth even though it would not come forth in power to destroy all of the earthly kingdoms of the world until a future time.
This is why the Lord informs them that the keys will remains with them in life and death.
Both Joseph and Sidney are to return at a later time to finish their ministries and the administrative commissions they were given.
I believe it was Sidney Rigdon’s ministry that initiated the process of setting up of the kingdom of God on earth. This initial setting up of the kingdom through Sidney was NOT done by hand.
That is why one of the first things Joseph and Oliver were commanded to do with the keys of their gift, was to bring to light Sidney Rigdon’s ministry.
Do the revelations that Joseph brought forth validate lineal, inherited priesthood that Transends the need for reception through the laying on of hands?
Have you ever wondered why God found it necessary in section 68 of the D&C to state that those who are literal firstborn descendants of Aaron have a legal right to the Bishopric without needing to be ordained by the laying on of hands?
“There remain hereafter, in the due time of the Lord, other bishops to be set apart unto the church, to minister even according to the first; Wherefore they shall be high priests who are worthy, and they shall be appointed by the First Presidency of the Melchizedek Priesthood, except they be literal descendants of Aaron. And if they be literal descendants of Aaron they have a legal right to the bishopric, if they are the firstborn among the sons of Aaron; For the firstborn holds the right of the presidency over this priesthood, and the keys or authority of the same. No man has a legal right to this office, to hold the keys of this priesthood, except he be a literal descendant and the firstborn of Aaron.” D&C 68:16-18
I could never understand why God provided the above information since it never appeared to be applicable to anyone in the Church. Is it possible that there are other aspects of priesthood that are also inherited?
We are also informed that all “evangelical ministers” must be identified and called by revelation, because they also have a legal right based on patriarchal-lineal descent.
39 It is the duty of the Twelve, in all large branches of the church, to ordain evangelical ministers, as they shall be designated unto them by revelation—
40 The order of this priesthood was confirmed to be handed down from father to son, and rightly belongs to the literal descendants of the chosen seed, to whom the promises were made.
Clearly, there is much about priesthood that we don’t understand.
We know that Joseph and Oliver both obviously had lineal priesthood. But where did they get the priesthood “keys” of the “gift” by which they were to identify Rigdon’s ministry?
It was not by hand!
Joseph and Oliver are told that they have the keys of a gift in Section 6 which was given in April of 1829.
This was before John the Baptist had revealed and restored the priesthood of Aaron by hand.
It was before the church was even organized.
Hence it can be said that even Joseph’s ministry and his work in bringing forth the kingdom of God was not initially set up by hand.
Apparently there has been a feminist power play to take the sealed portion hostage.
I wonder why the ancient prophets that saw and wrote about the coming forth of the Marvelous Work and additional books from the plates, didn’t mention this little bump in the road?
“I’m standing before you with a broken heart.. I am going to ask that you pray that the Lord will soften her heart, because she has just put a big bump in the road..
I said, “Well, Mauricio said we could do It, so let’s do it,” even knowing I was going against the words of Moroni, and I forgot what the Lord told my great grandfather, to “go not on the persuasions of men, but listen to My counsel,” (the Lord’s counsel.) And I allowed it.
Thursday afternoon I went to pick up the pen drive and Roberta said, “I go with the pen drive.” And I said, “No, the words of Moroni specifically say that the production of the book will be done by a selection of Elders.” I said, “I need that pen drive, so we can begin to work on it.” She said, “I go with the pen drive.” I said, “No, you don’t.” She said, ”You are cutting me off.” I said, “No, personally I believe you cut yourself off as far as I’m concerned..
I said well to Roberta, “We’ve got this one pen drive, and we are already ready to publish it.” I said, “We’ll just go ahead and publish that.” And she said, “No you won’t, I’ve got the copyright on both of them.”
I’m sorry I let you people down, because I didn’t stand fast like I said I would…”
Joseph F. Smith
Full version of the drama at the following link
I realize that very few of my readers care about or are following the events surrounding the Mauricio Berger Brazil Scam.
Thank goodness for that!
Everyone knows that the readers of this blog are among the most educated, sincere, illuminated, charming, good looking, athletic, prudent, illuminated, responsible, gracious, unassuming, stupendous, illuminated, brilliant, sophisticated, long suffering, diligent, illuminated, humble, penitent, and lovable people upon the earth.
Oh… and did I remember to acknowledge just how illuminated you all are?
Nevertheless, I do have a few readers from the RLDS tradition who have some degree of curiosity about the deception that is currently taking place in Missouri.
For the reason, I periodically provide updates about what is taking place.
The Price Publishing Company has recently published a very revealing article about the Brazil Movement. It is interesting for several reasons.
One is that it provides a view of the Brazil claims through the eyes of RLDS scripture (which includes revelations by Joseph Smith the 3rd.) to show inconsistencies. It is a very real challenge for an Ex-Mormon to become the religious leader of numerous RLDS factions and to produce doctrine that is consistent to their religious world-view. This is because he is not intimately familiar with accepted scripture in that religious construct.
Another is that it validates what we have all suspected, that Bob Moore has had a serious doctrinal and philosophical falling out with Joseph and Mauricio. It reveals that Bob Moore and Brad Gault have notified their congregation that they have serious concerns about the movement (that they were instrumental in getting lots of people involved in BTW.)
The article also shows how the revelations received by Mauricio have been changed and modified to make them conform to legitimate criticisms that people have had about them.. (the Mormon church would refer to these divine contradictions as “progressive revelation”)
Another possible response that Joseph and Mauricio may want to consider when responding to these contradictions is to simply deny making any changes. It has worked well for the LDS church in the past.
I am reminded of an event in the history of the restoration when a few elders were not sure if they could fully endorse all of the revelations that Joseph was presenting to be sustained by the church and canonized as scripture. The Lord invited the wisest among them to do his best to fabricate a revelation.
He made the attempt and he only embarrassed himself.
That is exactly what is happening to Joseph F. Smith and Maurico Berger, they are embarrassing themselves.
Welcome to the world of false prophets.
It is truly a pisser to speak in the name of the Lord when he has not spoken to you.
Those that search the scriptures and treasure up the word of God have no problem parsing the fabricated revelations of false prophets to discern a deception.
I am told that the following link does not work in certain search engines.