The Vision of Gail Smith – and the Dilemma of the Remnant Movement

A few days ago I got a comment from someone responding to my post about Trump tweeting that we should not allow the cure to be worse than the disease.

She referenced a vision of Gail Smith:

Trump tweet 23 March 2020

Interpreted as

The 15 days from 1st Utah quake 18 March 2020 that made Moroni drop trumpet to 2 April 2020 next big quake 15 days latter as Interpreted in Gail Smith Vision.?

She appears to be providing an inspired declaration (speculation) that the first earthquake in Gail’s vision of many years ago just took place on March 18th.

It appears as she feels the dropping of the trumpet is some kind of sign that this is the specific earthquake was the first in the two part sequence mentioned in Gails vision.

Further, she points out that 15 days later the second great earthquake will take place on April 2nd, if in fact Gail’s vision is correct and if in fact the first earthquake in the vision is the one that took place on March 18th.

I don’t have a speculation to offer as to whether we will have a major earthquake in Utah on April 2nd.

Obviously, it won’t take long to see if her interpretation of the prophecy comes to pass.

I must admit that the dropping of the trumpet by Moroni seems somewhat providential.

After all, according to the revelations that Joseph Smith brought forth, the “sound of a trump” is used both literally and figuratively in scripture to represent and identify the exact time when God’s earthly servants and heavenly angels will declare a multitude of things.

Included in the sounding of trumps narratives in scripture is the time when God’s servants will return to declare the gospel message, cry repentance, give the voice of judgment and mercy, declare the truth of the revelations and commandments given to Joseph Smith, and deliver the VOICE OF WARING.

Yet we have a dilemma.

The men who own the statute of Moroni and the temple it sits one, and are responsible to take the Book of Mormon to the world and claim to be God’s authorized servants, do not deliver the voice of warning in power the way that the scriptures detail that they should.

Because of this, they seem to have dropped the ball in their supposed claim of being God’s authorized watchmen on the wall. In other words, the implication is that the trumpet that represents the sounding of the gospel and the voice of warning has been dropped.

Was the dropping of the trumpet by Moroni a message to us from God or just a random event?

I don’t know.

There are countless interpretations that could be superimposed upon the dropping of the trumpet.

Isaiah looked at our day and the modern church and exclaimed that:

His watchmen are blind, They are all ignorant; They are all dumb dogs, They cannot bark; Sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.”

The time when the final voice of warning goes forth to the entire world for the last time is clearly delineated in the following passages in section 1:

4 And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.

5 And they shall go forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded them.

6 Behold, this is mine authority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.

7 Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled.

8 And verily I say unto you, that they who go forth, bearing these tidings unto the inhabitants of the earth, to them is power given to seal both on earth and in heaven, the unbelieving and rebellious;

9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—

10 Unto the day when the Lord shall come to recompense unto every man according to his work, and measure to every man according to the measure which he has measured to his fellow man.

11 Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear:

12 Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh;

13 And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth.

14 And the arm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people;

As you can see, when the final voice of warning is declared it will be done with POWER.

So much POWER that nobody can stop them.

No Godless political regime will be able to stop the voice of warning and prevent them in any way from delivering their message of warning and gathering God’s people

Ruthless communist dictatorships will not stop them.

Not even the mandates from so-called democratic government officials and healthcare professionals enforced by law enforcement and the military.

However it is possible that when the servants first return, they will not go forth in power at the beginning of their final ministry. It could start out slowly before the fulness of power is manifest as a test, to see if people will believe their claims and the scripture they bring forth.

By the way, if Satan and his minions knew in advance when the true servants of the Lord were about to make their appearance, don’t you think they would engineer some kind of pretext for taking away civil liberties and limiting gatherings and having public meetings?

Back in the days of Joseph Smith, public gatherings were instrumental in getting the word out quickly. In our times the Internet and other technologies enable the word to spread much quicker, however, all of those technologies could be shut down overnight.

It is interesting however that the D&C implies that when the marvelous work begins, the message may go forth discreetly from neighbor to neighbor:

let your preaching be the warning voice, every man to his neighbor,..” and “and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.”

The last voice of warning by the true servants of the Lord will ultimately sober people up and get their attention. It will cause people to fear and tremble.

The true servants will be sealing up both the righteous and the wicked when they go forth. That is not being done by the current missionaries or the current leadership of the church who claim apostolic authority.

But enough about Moroni dropping his trump. Read into that anything you will or even just consider it to be a coincidence that it happened during this time of great fear of a plague.

Let us turn our attention to the significance of the prophecies and visions given by Gail Smith and other similar self proclaimed visionaries.

I have previously blogged about the so-called remnant movement that follows the teachings and claims and visions of the following self proclaimed luminaries:

1- The writings of Avraham Gileadi
2- Podcasts, talks and writings of Mike Stroud
3- Selected writings and talks of Ezra Taft Benson
4- The Book titled “Visions of Glory” by John Pontius
5- The dreams, visions and writings by Sarah Menet
6- The dreams, visions and writings of Julie Rowe
7- The dreams, visions, writings and lectures of Mechelle (Shelle) McDermott
8- A collection of hundreds of other visions which have been collected and published by Roger K. Young.

I suppose I could have included Gail Smith in the above listing when I wrote the article because I consider Gail Smith’s revelatory spirit to be classed among the same spirit as the people listed above.

However, Gail is in a sub-category of her own because she is no longer a member of the church and is no longer using her revelatory mantle to tell people to put their faith in the arm of flesh and follow the leaders of the church. Nevertheless, I see the same problem with her visions as I see with the visions of Sarah Menet, Julie Rowe and Mechelle McDermott.

What is the problem I see with their visions of earthquakes, famine, pestilence, disease and wars?

The problem I see is that none of their visions incorporate or interrelate with or even acknowledge the coming restoration and the return of God’s servants as spoken of in scripture. All of them assume that the last restoration and marvelous work began about 200 years ago. None of their visions of destruction inform us that we are all in apostasy and need to prepare ourselves to repent.

Let me ask you a question.

Which is more important and essential to being spiritually prepared for the events of the last days, the knowledge that great temporal calamities and tribulations are coming, or the knowledge that we need to repent and prepare ourselves to received the fulness of the gospel and priesthood when God’s servants return?

The answer should be obvious.

Anyone can claim to have had a vision of coming tribulations and they will probably be right since those things have already been declared in scripture.

This is why it really has very little significance to me as to whether or not there will be an earthquake on April 2nd. That knowledge does not prepare people for the most important end times event that is about to take place.

After the commenter her comment about the Gail Smith prophecy, she later returned and made the following comments:

“I read Gail Smith Vision in 2001when i left the church.

It now fits the Spring early morning Quake March timeframe of 2020 Economic Collapse on 8 March. Gregory Mannarino youtube confirmed collapse with 2 video on 9th March

8th March Economic Collapse to 18 March Quake Utah is 10 days. 18 March to 2 April Quake is 15 day period.

Take Care. And God Bless The Latter Day Saints. May God bring you through the Storm in safety


Gails Smiths Vision Website Ref Nofearpreps

“Within 10 days of the economic collapse we have the first earthquake affecting Utah which takes place early in the morning, about 4 or 5 am.”

“The second earthquake affecting Utah takes place about 15 days after the first and also takes place in the early morning around 4 or 5 am. This earthquake is like the world has never seen and affects a much larger area than just Utah.”

What exactly is someone expected to do with the above information? How does it help them to repent and prepare themselves spiritually for what is about to take place?

From a temporal perspective, are Utahn’s supposed to flee from Utah on April 1st to avoid destruction? Are they supposed to seek cover under the kitchen table at 4 AM on April 2nd ?

Is that the significance of the vision?

Why would the Lord warn of impending doom if no instructions are given?

From a spiritual preparation perspective, Gail has apparently left the church (or been excommunicated from it) so her message does not really direct people to follow the brethren nor does it give any spiritual guidance as to what to do.

In the case of any fulfillment of prophetic visions and dreams of Sarah, Julie, and Mechelle, their advice is to follow the prophet of the LDS church because they seem to be oblivious to the fact that we are all in apostasy and that the Marvelous Work has not started yet and that when it does, the true servants of God will return to the vineyard to cry repentance and gather the elect.

So here is the $64 question, should a person gain credibility as truly having the spirit of prophecy and truly being a servant of the Lord if in fact they have a prophetic vision that comes to pass, even if it only causes confusion and distress, or worse, causes people to put their faith in the arm of flesh and false prophets rather than the true servants?

I don’t think so.

Scripture informs us that there will be people who give prophecies that will be fulfilled even though they are not true servants of the Lord. Hence the sobering reminder in JST Matthew 7:

“And many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name; and in thy name cast out devils; and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I say, Ye never knew me; depart from me ye that work iniquity.”

PS I want to thank the commenter for referring to Gregory Mannarino.

I really enjoy his commentary on the economy and think he is quite informed about it. He obviously knows something since he liquidated his stocks just before the recent 30% drop in the stock market.

The following YouTube of his contains some really good information about the economy.

BTW his very last bit of advice during the last few minutes of the youtube contains the most important advice that he gives and it is not financial advice.




8 Responses to The Vision of Gail Smith – and the Dilemma of the Remnant Movement

  1. CG says:

    I personally traveled over 2,000 miles to meet “Spencer”, the man in John Pontius’ book who had the visions. A close friend of mine just happened to be one of “Spencer’s” clients, for 2 years previous to “Spencer” meeting John Pontius and all during the publishing of the book. My purpose to request the meeting was to meet him in order to discern whether or not his visions were of God. I met together with 3 close women friends, at “Spencer’s” office in Salt Lake City and after an hour and half, I left the meeting knowing this humble man was speaking truth regarding his visions, and felt assured that his visions were of God. In the book, he describes the soon to occur return of the servants, including Joseph Smith Junior, resurrected beings and dignitaries from former days.

    • Frankly I had a really bad feeling as I tried several times to read the book. I felt it was not scripturally based and had a strange spirit to it.

      I just couldn’t force myself to read very much of it although I tried several times.

      I then began to look at the fruits of the book and the type of people that were attracted to it.

      I would describe them as those who go strictly by their “feelings” who are not seasoned in the scriptures and do not seriously search the scriptures. (Just my perception, I could be wrong)

      I am guessing that you think you have received the full baptism of fire and the holy ghost and therefore feel that you cannot be deceived in the impressions that you get when you meet people and read things.

      I personally do not believe that the fulness is on the earth nor to I believe that you are I have received the full baptism of fire and the holy ghost.

      Hence testimonies like yours do not have the credence you probably feel that it should have.

      Having said all of that, I appreciate your passion and your willingness to take the risk of sharing your beliefs.

      Further, I don’t remember hearing that the book foretold the return of Joseph Smith and I would like to read it and get the full context of what was said.

      If you can refer me to the pages in the book where that is covered I would appreciate it.

      Thank you for visiting the blog and sticking up for what you believe in. 😉

      • Mike Ross says:

        you wrote: “I then began to look at the fruits of the book and the type of people that were attracted to it.

        I would describe them as those who go strictly by their “feelings” who are not seasoned in the scriptures and do not seriously search the scriptures”

        I got a chuckle out of that… I do not want to sound disrespectful to you at all however, I am aware that Avraham Gileadi happens to be one of Spencer’s biggest fan. John Pontius as well as Shane and Terri and a whole host of other well read (too many to list here), well versed in the scriptures.

        The exciting thing about all of this is we are all passengers on board a speeding freight train heading full steam ahead into the unknown. None of us can get off this train so one way or another we will all soon find out the depth and breadth of VOG, and all the various Prophecies of person x, y and z.

        God bless you my friend,

        p.s. do you happen to have any spare toilet paper

        I am kidding 😀

      • Mike-

        IMO there is a difference between someone who has read the scriptures a lot, vs someone who actually seems to understand them because they have searched them under the influence of the holy ghost.

        I really appreciate very much some of the stuff that Gileadi has done, in fact his observation that the marvelous work is a future event played an import role in my awakening years ago.

        Nevertheless, generally speaking, I don’t consider him to be very seasoned and credible as a scriptural scholar.

        As you no doubt are aware, Gileadi has rejected the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible .

        He has refused to incorporate any of Joseph Smith’s inspired revisions, corrections and clarifications of Isaiah into his own Isaiah translations and commentaries.

        Additionally he has rejected the inspired revisions of Isaiah passages contained in the Book of Mormon.

        He does not necessarily publicly admit how he feels about these issues this for obvious reasons, however I know someone that used to be somewhat close to him who pressed him on these issues and got a very revealing response in an email which I am personally aware of..

        Because of Gileadi’s rejection of these things, he makes some serious mistakes in his Isaiah translations and commentaries.

        Further, Gileadi rejects the literal unconditional promises and prophecies in the D&C and has challenged the idea that Joseph is going to return to finish his calling.

        Because of this, Giliadi has been a huge stumbling block to many people regarding their understanding of the three watches doctrine.

        I have had numerous people tell me that they have approached him after his seminaries and asked him about the possibility that Joseph and the other first laborers of the last kingdom could return and he has tried to dissuade them.

        For these reasons, Gileadi is actually a text book example of the kind of person that feels that the work of John Pontius is inspired.

  2. Bellamy Brown says:

    I almost never agree with Watcher but I do on the point.One of many problems with Spenser’s vision was that the Savior returns during a priesthood conference in SLC dressed like everyone else. ie suit and tie. That is of course completely contrary to the multiple accounts concerning his return as set forth in the scriptures

  3. Bellamy Brown says:

    I do have to ask why when you mentioned the “remnant movement” and listed the people you did you failed to mention the one guy who agrees with you on the apostasy issue at least Denver Snuffer. It seems an odd omission. Can you explain why?

    • Sure-

      There are at least two very different and distinct movements that call themselves “the remnant”.

      The first remnant movement is the one I referenced in the blog post and the previous post that I did.

      The second remnant movement is the Snufferite movement. They also like to refer to themselves as the remnant.

      The two movements are differentiated one from another by the fact that the Snufferites follow Denver Snuffer as their prophet and most of them accept Denver’s admonitions and authority over that of the LDS Church leaders.

      Conversely, the folks in the other remnant movement who believe in the dreams and visions of people like Gail, Smith, Sarah Menet, Julie Rowe and Mechelle McDermott, claim that they are active faithful members of the church who sustain President Nelson as the prophet, seer and revelator of God’s true church. They do not accept Denver Snuffer as their leader and prophet.

      As you can see, there was no omission. They are two very different movements suffering from different delusions.

      As you pointed out, Snuffer would agree that the church is in apostasy. Most of the folks in the other group publicly claim that the LDS church is still the true church.

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