God’s holy and infallible word assures us that God has given the saints the kingdom.

I got a fascinating email from a fellow watcher the other day.

He had read an article by a Snufferite claiming that the kingdom of God has finally been ushered in.

This birth of the Kingdom supposedly took place on September 3rd 2017 when the Snufferites held a conference and entered into covenant in Boise Idaho.

The Snufferite star gazer opined that the September 23rd 2017 sign in the heavens was the one spoken of by John the Revelator and that it was somehow pointing back to the previous Snufferite meeting to validate that it represented the birth of the kingdom:

“Thus, it appears that the prophecy in the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled when the covenant from God was accepted, resulting in the birth of the Kingdom of God.”

Here is the email that my friend sent me,

Good morning Watcher,

I continue to devour the podcasts of the  “three tenors” and found the last one with the historical documents identifying Sidney Rigdon’s commission as nearly as important as the Morley farm conference in 1831. I had just re-read your articles on Sidney a week or so before this podcast and was extremely grateful for that added substance.

But, once again I note that the RLDS restoration groups seem generally unaware of Sidney’s commission, and certainly I was. So this is another great addition to the teaching needed among those groups.

I read this morning John Pratt’s 1/5/19 article, entitled “Kingdom of God Born.” In it he identifies the event with the 2017 Snuffer Covenant Conference. This problematic for me because I have been somewhat “put off” by Snuffer’s writings.

I am really excited about Pratt’s exegesis on the meaning of the constellation alignments in September of 2017 and I agree with him that the birth of the Kingdom of God will most likely go unnoticed by the World and even by most persons. (This is the reason why I go to the Kirtland newspaper, at the beginning of each month and look to see whether there is any report of “suspicious” activity involving the Temple or those servants who might be in the process of finishing the work started previously. So far, the Temple seems unmentioned.)

I am also questioning whether Bro. Pratt has a correct handle on the location of the New Jerusalem and Zion. He seems to believe that they are located in Independence, Mo while I have adopted the notion that both Independence and Kirtland are significant locations.

Anyway, if you have not seen his latest article, I’m sure you will find it of interest and I just wanted to alert you to it.

As always, I so appreciate the tremendous work you have done in plowing the fields of our history and the searching of the written words. I pray for your continued strength and ministry from the Holy Spirit.



This was my reply to my friend (with a few clarification added):-

Great to hear from you XXX

In the opening declarations of the article John Pratt says this:

“Joseph’s first attempts to found the Kingdom of God failed“.

 Never does he say that Joseph later was successful or that he would later be successful at some time I the future. Only that Joseph Smith failed and that the kingdom was never established during Joseph’s ministry.

In other words, all of Joseph’s attempts ended in failure prior to his death, requiring a new servant and a new work of restoration.

        That belief is a trademark belief of the Snuffer Movement.

They don’t believe that the kingdom was given to Joseph and the restoration saints nor do they believe that Joseph laid the foundation for a future work.


They think the LDS restoration failed to establish the kingdom and that Joseph Smith categorically failed in his mission to lay the foundation of the kingdom that would come forth in power at a later time.

They don’t accept the unconditional declarations from God that the kingdom had been given to the saints nor the unconditional prophecies about Joseph returning to complete his commissions and lead the kingdom forth in power.

Therefore according to their paradigm, another Davidic servant (namely Denver Snuffer) needs to come and clean up the mess that is left of the failure. 

This basic premise that Joseph failed and the kingdom was never established is believed by virtually all of the fundamentalist offshoots and all of the emerging false prophets.

The followers of Mauricio Berger and Joseph Frederick Smith have the same false paradigm.

They also believe that Joseph failed to establish the kingdom. Hence, they think they need Mauricio Berger and Joseph Frederick Smith to clean up Joseph Smith Jr’s mess and to fulfill the commission of establishing Zion that the Lord had initially given to the restoration saints. 

The narrative that Joseph failed and the kingdom was not established is not congruent with prophecy and scripture.  

All you need to do is do a keyword search on the word “kingdom” in the D&C and you will find unequivocally (from the mouth of two or three witnesses) that the kingdom WAS established during Joseph’s ministry and that the keys of that kingdom were to remain with Joseph and his associates while they were in this world and even into the next world after they die.

They needed to retain the keys of the kingdom that had been given until they return to complete the unconditional promises given to them.  

Lets do some keyword searching and look at the holy word of God to see if they failed to bring forth the kingdom, or if in fact the kingdom was established in preparation for the fulness to shine forth at the appointed time after the gentiles stumble and eventually repent.

Here are some notable snippets about the kingdom in chronological order- 

1- In Dec of 1830 (Section 35) the Lord told the first elders that the kingdom had been given to them and would be theirs until he comes “quickly” ( A keyword search on “come quickly shows that it is referring to his last coming to judge the nations) .

 26 Lift up your hearts and be glad, your redemption draweth nigh. 27 Fear not, little flock, the kingdom is yours until I come. Behold, I come quickly. Even so. Amen. 

2- In Jan of 1831 (Section 38) The Lord again verified that the kingdom was theirs and that the enemy would not overcome the kingdom (even though the saints would stumble and the emergence of the kingdom in power would be delayed) 

9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome. 

3= In October of 1831 (Section 65) a revelatory prayer revealed that in a future time, one would be sent down from heaven who is mighty and powerful, warming people to prepare for the way of the Lord. It informs us that the gospel will roll forth to the ends of the earth from the keys of the kingdom that had been committed unto man on the earth, a clear reference to the LDS restoration work of Joseph Smith’s ministry. 

1 Hearken, and lo, a voice as of one sent down from on high, who is mighty and powerful, whose going forth is unto the ends of the earth, yea, whose voice is unto men—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

 2 The keys of the kingdom of God are committed unto man on the earth, and from thence shall the gospel roll forth unto the ends of the earth, as the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth.

3 Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.

 4- Then in December of 1832 (Section 88) the Lord informs Joseph and his associates that they are the first  laborers in the LAST KINGDOM!!!!!

It was later explained that Brigham and his brethren of the Twelve were not the first laborers and that they were responsible to tarry in the mission field and take the knowledge of the gospel to the dispersed of Judah and the outcasts of Israel until it was time for Joseph and the first elders to complete their work. .

..And I give unto you, who are the first laborers in this last kingdom, a commandment that you assemble yourselves together, and organize yourselves, and prepare yourselves, and sanctify yourselves; yea, purify your hearts, and cleanse your hands and your feet before me, that I may make you clean..

..that ye may be prepared in all things when I shall send you again to magnify the calling whereunto I have called you, and the mission with which I have commissioned you..

..Therefore, tarry ye, and labor diligently, that you may be perfected in your ministry to go forth among the Gentiles for the last time, as many as the mouth of the Lord shall name, to bind up the law and seal up the testimony, and to prepare the saints for the hour of judgment which is to come;..

..Verily, I say unto you, let those who are not the first elders continue in the vineyard until the mouth of the Lord shall call them, for their time is not yet come; their garments are not clean from the blood of this generation..

5- In March of 1833 (Section 90) the Lord informs his servants, that the kingdom they had been given was coming forth for the LAST TIME and that the keys of that kingdom would not be taken from them in this world or the next.  

2 Therefore, thou art blessed from henceforth that bear the keys of the kingdom given unto you; which kingdom is coming forth for the last time. 

3 Verily I say unto you, the keys of this kingdom shall never be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come; 

Notice that the keys they had been given were to the LAST kingdom that was coming forth. 

6 And again, verily I say unto thy brethren, Sidney Rigdon and Frederick G. Williams, their sins are forgiven them also, and they are accounted as equal with thee in holding the keys of this last kingdom;

As you can see, the narrative being given in the revelations joseph received is consistent in saying that the LAST kingdom had been given and established among Joseph and his brethren and that those same men would retain the keys to the kingdom that they had been given so that they can eventually see it to its final conclusion.

Did the fulness of the last kingdom flee from the earth with those that held its keys when the holders of those keys were killed?

It appears as if the answer is Yes.

But the kingdom was still established, the keys were given, the stewardship was established, and that kingdom that was given to Joseph Smith and the saints will return and go forth in power as prophesied.

It is difficult for people to comprehend the fact that even though the saints were temporarily overcome, the kingdom wasn’t! .

The book of Daniel documents this narrative in the 7th chapter but first, lets look at an amazing observation provided in Section 109.

 6- In March of 1836 (Section 109) it is revealed that the Kingdon that God had established among the saints was the kingdom set up “without hands” that is prophesied of in the Book of Daniel: “

Remember all thy church, O Lord, with all their families, and all their immediate connections, with all their sick and afflicted ones, with all the poor and meek of the earth; that the kingdom, which thou hast set up without hands, may become a great mountain and fill the whole earth; That thy church may come forth out of the wilderness of darkness, and shine forth fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners; (verse 72-3)

Section 109 uses the exact language from the Book of Daniel to establish the fact that the kingdom Daniel prophesied of that would be set up “without hands” was the same kingdom that was restored to the earth through Joseph Smith. According to the Book of Daniel, this kingdom would eventually smite the image of Babylon with is composed of iron and clay and break it in pieces.

The book of Daniel observes that the kingdom would be established among the saints and “shall not pass away” and “shall not be destroyed“.

Yet it notes that after the kingdom is given to the saints, “the ..horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them UNTIL the ancient of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the most high..”

As you can see from the “kingdom” scriptures in the D&C as well as the prophetic narrative in Daniel, there was not a complete failure to establish the kingdom. The kingdom was established and it will eventually go forth. There is no need for a completely different servant to be called so that he could start everything all over again. We are simply awaiting the appointed time when the ancient of days will return and judgment will be given to the saints of the restoration so that those holding the keys of the kingdom can finalize their work.

What is the significance of the Dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham?

With all of this in mind, one might ask how all of this relates to the ushering in of the dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham in 1836 (Section 110)  and the commission to the quorum of the Twelve to “send forth my word to the ends of the earth” (Section 112) and to the message of the gospel across the great waters (Sections 118). C

Clearly, God was moving forward in having his word taken to the nations of the earth regardless of the fact that the saints of the restored church had stumbled and were in a state of apostasy.

This begs the question, what authority were the Twelve functioning under if the fulness of the priesthood had been taken?

Section 112 informs us that-

“the keys of the dispensation that ye have received , have come down from the fathers , and last of all, being sent down  from heaven unto you”

As you can see, the missionary responsibilities of the Twelve during their interim missionary assignment did not require the fulness of the priesthood which had been lost, rather, their priesthood assignment at the time was based on the patriarchal, evangelical priesthood.

Even though the fulness of the priesthood was taken and the keys of the kingdom stayed with Joseph when he died, there was a remnant of “authority”  that would remain on the earth after Joseph was killed.  It was held by the quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

Interestingly, the authority that they held was not just patriarchal. It was a “written” authority with power of its own as we shall see.

7- In January 1841 (Section 124)  the Lord declares that the Twelve held the “Keys” to open up the “authority of my kingdom” upon the four corners of the earth and to every creature. 

 128 Which Twelve hold the keys to open up the authority of my kingdom upon the four corners of the earth, and after that to send my word to every creature. 

It is really remarkable that the church had been pronounced to be under condemnation back in 1834, then in 1841 (Section 124) the Lord acknowledges that the fulness of priesthood had been taken from the saints and that they were practicing abominations before him, and yet, the Lord was providing provisions for an ongoing missionary work that would continue to this present time.

The missionary work continues to be conducted under the direction of the quorum of the Twelve. 

 So what exactly is meant by the word “authority” and the phrase “authority of my kingdom” in the above passage?

I am going to suggest that it is not referring to a priesthood ordination.

It is referring to something different than you might suppose.

I would suggest that definition #7 in the 1828 Websters reflects the meaning of what was being said.


In essence, “authority” as used in the above passage, is a “written authority“.


It refers to books that contain written precedents” and “official declarations”  which influence the opinions of others.
In other words, it is referring to the written precedents and official declarations contained in the scriptures that joseph Smith brought forth as well as the existing scriptures that he had corrected. The Book of Mormon and revelations that Joseph brought forth represents the oracles of God and the written “authority of God’s Kingdom”.

That is the authority that the Twelve were supposed to take to the world.

There is power and authority in the written word of God.

A prophecy contained in Section 43 informed the saints that although Joseph would take the keys of the kingdom into the next life when he dies, the “oracles” of God (which constitutes the written authority of God’s Kingdom) would remain on the earth:

 Verily I say unto you, the keys of this kingdom shall never be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come;

Nevertheless, through you shall the oracles be given to another, yea, even unto the church.

And all they who receive the oracles of God, let them beware how they hold them lest they are accounted as a light thing, and are brought under condemnation thereby, and stumble and fall when the storms descend, and the winds blow, and the rains descend, and beat upon their house.

These oracles or scriptures that the Twelve were to take to the house of Israel is also what was being referred to in the prophecy in 3rd Nephi 16:10-13.
It says the knowledge of the gospel (authority in the written oracles of God) will be taken to the House of Israel after the Gentiles sin against the fulness of the gospel.
Eventually, the Gentiles will repent and the fulness will return with the kingdom that had been established four generations earlier.

The narrative about the LAST kingdom all throughout scripture testifies against Denver Snuffer  or Mauricio Berger or anyone else being a new Davidic servant that is sent to clean up Joseph Smiths failure.

You can cry and moan and complain all you want to about how the modern church is conducting the affairs of their little kingdom, but you cannot get around the fact that they have continued on in the original commission given to Brigham Young and the Twelve, to take the written authority of God’s kingdom to the world. Don’t take the written authority of God’s Kingdom lightly.

13 Responses to God’s holy and infallible word assures us that God has given the saints the kingdom.

  1. Navy says:

    Your interpretations here are about as reliable as the National Enquirer. It’s too bad that your pride gets in the way, and your faulty understanding prevents you from seeing the work that Denver has undertaken and will be the work that leads a small group to establish Zion. While you’re waiting around for Joseph to be resurrected, Denver will be establishing New Jerusalem and preparing Zion for the Lord and for Enoch’s return.

    • You said

      “Your interpretations here are about as reliable as the National Enquirer”

      Anyone can throw out insults. But that is not very compelling. My criticisms of how the Snufferites have arrived at their paradigm are backed up by scripture. If is fine if don’t interpret scripture like I do, but provide an intelligent explanation as to why your don’t believe the unconditional promises and declarations of God.

      • Navy says:

        “Unconditional promises” right there is not in Gods wheel house. D&C 82:10 “I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say, but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.” Resurrection is the only guarantee that doesn’t take effort to get. Everything else God offers comes with a requirement. Living a commandment results in a blessing, while not living it results in a cursing or lack of blessings.

      • You have taken the passage out of context.

        It is referring to the promise of salvation. The Lord is telling them that if they do not keep the law and his commandments, they do not have the promise of salvation.

        That is a different topic than prophecy.

        When it comes to prophecy sometimes the proclamation has an “if” in it and the fulfillment is predicated on certain conditions and responses of the people. That is a conditional prophecy.

        Sometimes God will rescind a previous proclamation. It happens rarely but it is within his providence to do so.

        However, the Lord has made it clear that when he makes unconditional promises about future prophetic events without rescinding them, they will always come to pass.

        “37 Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.

        38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.”

  2. ric says:

    “You can cry and moan and complain all you want to about how the modern church is conducting the affairs of their little kingdom, but you cannot get around the fact that they have continued on in the original commission given to Brigham Young and the Twelve, to take the written authority of God’s kingdom to the world.”
    Watcher, I really question whether the leadership of this church is “continuing on the original commission to take the written authority of God’s Kingdom to the world” given that they preach for doctrine the commandments of men. For instance they preach that “committing suicide is not a sin” and “same sex attraction is not a sin.” They teach we should include Muslims “into our circle of friends” when the Book of Mormon forbids other gods like “Allah” form superseding the God of this land, even Jesus Christ. Three so-called apostles got up in Oct. 2016 general conference and blatantly taught the false doctrine of conflating nationalism with racism and sexism. Then they change the temple endowment from a patriarchal context to a gender equality context. Then they don’t teach the scriptural view of common consent the result of which non-members correctly label us a cult or a prophetocracy.
    Then the church is gaslighting its members. How? By psychological manipulation, sowing seeds of doubt in members by making them question their perception. For instance the church puts out the Gospel Topic essays on the church’s own web-site, a move by the leadership that creates the impression in members that the church is giving them church apologists views on different aspects of the gospel to help them answer difficult questions of our history and doctrine posed by non-member challengers. The truth however is that these essays confirm and authenticate the arguments put forth by the non-member challengers because they are indisputable. In other words they don’t refute or provide evidence contrary to what was considered anti-Mormon lies before the essays were written and posted on the church’s web-site in 2013. The church doesn’t want the members to know that they have posted pre-2013 anti-Mormon literature on its own web-site but when the general authorities mention the Gospel Topics essays it’s spoken in terms of a resource for members and as rebuttal material to help answer difficult questions they have so they can straighten-out their misinformed non-member friends. The implication here is that members are made to perceive that the Gospel Topics essays are pro-Mormon truths not the anti-Mormon lies they were purported to be before 2013.

    The church’s web-site tells us that the essays have the endorsement of the First Presidency and the Twelve which again implies in the minds of members that the essays are pro-Mormon when the reality is that pre-2013 they were considered anti-Mormon lies. Is the leadership of the church betting on the false perception they have created and on the loyalty the members have in the prophet and apostles that the members won’t recognize the flip-flop from anti-Mormon to pro-Mormon history and doctrine? Is the leadership betting the members won’t read the essays? This conclusion seems bankable because many members have not had the interest or time in their busy lives to read what they perceive to be a recent rehash of Mormon doctrine and history. This is a gargantuan deception by the leadership of the church on members! Church doctrine is that the “prophet will never lead the church astray.” Yet, here is a gargantuan example that that doctrine is not true! But there is a truism according to D&C 121:36-37, that if the prophet and apostles are intentionally leading the church members astray then it is “amen” to the priesthood or authority of that church. It follows then that the ordinances and service of the members are dead works and non-binding if the priesthood has been withdrawn since it has no efficacy without the conditional requirement of the righteousness of its practitioners.

    Many members that do read the Gospel Topics essays feel a sense of betrayal, resentment and treachery by the leaders for teaching the sugar-coated version of church history and doctrine that they learned in Sunday School, primary and seminary all in the name of “promoting faith.” It seems that all the general authorities of today have and are following the lead of Elder Paul H. Dunn, a former general authority, in stretching the truth in an effort to gain a loyal following. History repeats itself!

    Some members are angry enough to leave the church by resigning their membership; however others have called out the leaders as liars, hypocrites and deceivers and thus are excommunicated on the basis that they are “apostates” that “speak evil of the Lord’s anointed” after they have been warned by Dallin H. Oaks “not to criticize the leaders of the church, even if the criticism is true.” Talk about a catch-22 situation! This is classic gaslighting when the manipulator in charge can get the innocent party to question his/hers worthiness, sanity and be the bad guy resulting in being ostracized by his/her ward and family members. The church leaders consider these disgruntled former members as collateral damage and acceptable losses as long as they can replace by attrition old tithe paying members exiting the church with the new tithe paying members entering the church.

    You might ask yourself why would the leaders intentionally mislead the members and post pre-2013 anti-Mormon literature on its own web-site? Isn’t that like shooting yourself in the foot? The reason is that dissident ex-communicated members have filed a class action law-suit against the church for fraud, if found guilty the feathers will hit the fan in publicity on a world-wide scale. The Church’s good name and reputation will be ruined, hence end of missionary work, work for the dead and members left with cognitive dissonance—end of The Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To prevent that scenario from happening the church leaders have had to gaslight the members into believing that this is a new era of church transparency—by telling the ugly truth about our church history and doctrine, albeit a euphemized version of the ugly truth so as not to “shock” the members so drastically that they all up and leave the church in the millions in one today. By the First Presidency and the twelve endorsing the pre-2013 anti-Mormon essays on said web-site. By church historian, Steven E. Snow, saying the church curriculum department is in the process of disseminating these euphemized (so as to make them palatable) ugly truths in future church teaching manuals, seminary manuals and primary manuals in a “slow roll-out” over an extended period of time (years?). Yes, Snow says, we want to “inoculate” the members with small doses so they are as inconspicuous and subliminal as possible.

    This is why the church doesn’t herald, advertise or publicize the essays. They are not mentioned in General Conference, they are not mentioned in the Ensign and the missionaries are not allowed to teach these things to investigators.

    • ric, you said:

      “Watcher, I really question whether the leadership of this church is “continuing on the original commission to take the written authority of God’s Kingdom to the world” given that they preach for doctrine the commandments of men.”


      I think you are missing my point.

      I am not saying all is well in Zion.

      I am not saying that false doctrines and practices have not infiltrated the church.

      I am not saying that the leaders and members of the church are not in a full blown apostasy.

      Clearly they are!

      But the leaders and members of the church were in a state of apostasy when the commission was given also!

      God can use a condemned people to fulfill his purposes and that is why the commission was given despite the fact that the law had been broken and the fulness had been rejected.

      God still wanted his word to be taken to the nations of the earth even though the fulness was no longer on the earth in actuality.

      God still wanted the authority of his written word to be published and made available to the world .

      It has been!

      Not exactly as would be preferable. But enough of the truth has been published that a sincere person can begin to find their way toward the path of eternal life and to know the servants when they return in spite of the static in the background of the modern church.

      I have been blessed by having the written word of God preserved from the LDS restoration movement. Countless others have been blessed by the efforts of the church to publish the word.

      The Josephsmithproject is a huge effort in allowing people to search and seek the revelations as they were originally recorded and to review the true historical events that are so integral to understanding the revelations that came forth

      The fact that false teachings and priestcraft has been intermingled into the commission by uninspired men does not negate the fact that the Book of Mormon has been made available to the world. although it is not necessarily formatted in the best way and some minor changes have been made, the spirit can guide a person to get what they need to get from the book.

      Other aspects of the written authority such as the original doctrine and covenants and JST of the Bible have been preserved from the original restoration.

      The pure in heart that take God’s word seriously can seek all of this out and discern the evil that is taking place among those that hold the commission.

      God will deal with them with justice and mercy as he sees fit. Our responsibility is to seek out the truth from the written authority that has been preserved.

      • Navy says:

        You said “God still wanted his word to be taken to the nations of the earth even though the fulness was no longer on the earth in actuality.

        God still wanted the authority of his written word to be published and made available to the world .

        It has been!”

        Yet the scriptures clearly tell us that the Lord prepared the Book of Mormon for 3 particular people. Do you know who they are?

        1- The Jews
        2- The Gentiles
        3- The Lamanites (native Americans)

        So then, why are we sending missionaries to hundreds of different countries, yet not really focusing so much on the 3 groups that the Book of Mormon is meant to convert?

      • Everyone on the earth is either a Jew or a gentile.. that is why God’s invitation goes to the whole world

      • Tulan G says:

        The only reason that I stay in the church is because of Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph Smith Jr. was called of God to bring forth the Book of Mormon and do many other great things regarding the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I keep going by reading and studying everything by Joseph Smith.

        The church leaders today have submitted to the world and evil. The leaders have gone far alt left…… Socialism / Communism….which are in direct conflict with God and His Son Jesus the Christ.

  3. TruthSeeker says:


    I’m a disaffected member of the LDS church for the very reasons you mention in the comment above. I read Denver’s literature and that, combined with scripture study and prayer, helped opened my eyes to the tragedy that is the modern LDS church. God confirmed to me that the church is in gross apostasy. I’m still in pain from the experience. I can barely stomach the LDS church any longer. I’m still angry. I still feel betrayed. But something inside me compels me to keep going, to keep seeking Jesus. Yet, for years I’ve been left with the question “what now Lord?”. At this point I’m just looking for reasons to continue believing.

    I’ve poured over Denver’s books and lectures. I was rebaptized but never received the promised blessing of the Holy Ghost or the Baptism of Fire. I was part of a Remnant fellowship for a while but it didn’t seem like it was going anywhere. Too much bickering. I’ve read Rob Smith’s books on seeking Christ. I’ve read the anonymous “purerevelations” books and tried his methods to no avail. I’ve only now found your blog via Rock’s site.

    Now I have your book and I feel like it’s giving me a better perspective on Joseph Smith and why I couldn’t reconcile his later life with his earlier accomplishments. I still don’t quite know what to believe at this point yet I press on. It sounds like you have more in common with, for lack of a better term, the “Snufferites” than you have differences. I don’t think he’s claimed to be the Davidic Servant, thought it may have been implied.

    At this point I’m just begging the Lord to send someone to fix all of this. To fix this church and this nation. If it’s Joseph (your case is pretty compelling to that effect) then fantastic. If Denver has things to do before that happens then good on him too. Maybe he’s Sidney Rigdon reincarnated? I really don’t know.

    I really hope you’re right that something is going to happen soon to fix all of this. I yearn to be a part of it. To finally be a part of something real. To finally be free.

    I’m not sure why I wrote this. I guess I just wanted to let you know that there’s someone out there that is grateful for your efforts.

    • I read this comment a couple of nights ago and felt both sadness and excitement for you. You need not feel angry. I sincerely doubt that your experience of not receiving a baptism of fire was a result of personal inadequacy but the lack of priesthood authority involved. Praise God you were not bestowed by a false gift. We are all deceived in one area or another, but you are seeing your way through. The “bickering” you’ve observed is the evidence that Zion is not being realized. The Remnant does not see eye to eye and they have had plenty of time to achieve this. God’s work goes forth quickly, in power…

      When the endowment of the baptism of fire returns to the earth we will share the mind and will of God to bring about the successful establishment of Zion. I encourage you to put your mind to rest on these matters by deciding whether or not the absence of receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost was a fault of your own or a result of your spiritual integrity. Has the word of self-proclaimed prophets not come to pass as promised? Does this not qualify them as false prophets?

      Joseph Smith (March 10, 1844) remarked that when the apostle Paul encountered certain disciples in Corinth, Paul knew that they had not been rightfully baptized/prepared. These disciples even claimed that John had baptized them, but Paul knew that whoever had baptized them was an imposter because John the Baptist, “did his work right.”

      Denver is not a preparatory servant, because he has not done the work right like the great prophets will always do.

      In the case of John the Baptist, Joseph said, “If he had been an imposture he might have gone to work beyond his bounds & undertook to have performed ordinances that did not belong to that office & calling.”

      The second comforter prophets have over-stepped the bounds of what a preparatory work might entail. So let me tell you this: you ARE part of ‘something real’. You are the opposite of 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11 … You have not received a strong delusion that you will believe a lie. You may feel despair, but your experiences are evidence to me of God’s favor. The Lord is watching out for you TruthSeeker– for your love of the truth even when it seems to only bring you further down or set you further outside a faith community you wish you could feel comfortable belonging to. Trust in God that your perception is wrong, and that all your pain and despair is in fact leading you to the place you righteously desire.


      • TruthSeeker says:

        Thank you for your encouraging words. It is appreciated.

        I’ve been devouring your blog. I wish I’d found it sooner. It’s helped me realize that I need to study more. I just need to keep waiting on the Lord and preparing for Him to move again and not lose heart.

  4. Jessi H says:

    TruthSeeker, I know just how you feel. Summer 2016 was when I began earnestly searching for only truth, when I asked the Lord sincerely (and in desperation) for truth, no matter what. (I had watched Jake Hilton’s many hours of scripture teachings, and that was where I first encountered the idea that church leaders can and do lead people astray.)

    Funnily enough, God led me to Rob Smith’s “Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men”, which opened my eyes to the apostasy of the modern corporate lds church. I remember how much that hurt, how much I cried over the church being rejected with their dead, how sick I felt about the misuse of tithing money.

    But, feelings pass, while knowledge stays. I kept reading and praying, and I found Rock’s blog and learned lots of history that I didn’t know, and in the comments section, I read Watcher’s words. Then I read his Three Watches blog and this one. I began doing word searches and the scriptures just opened up for me. They made so much sense! I understood that what happened in the 1830’s was always going to happen; the Lord was not surprised. The events had been prophesied.

    I began to develop a real relationship with our Creator. He blessed me with discernment. He has spoken directly to me through the mouths of people who don’t even know they are instruments in His hands. He showed me who Jesus really is. And we don’t even have the fullness right now! Imagine how awesome it will be when the marvelous work begins as the third watch is ushered in.

    Amazing things are in store for you if you humbly and sincerely search the scriptures. Pray always. Be ready to let go of long-held beliefs and false doctrines and traditions. Be prepared for truth to be stranger than fiction. Be prepared for a little discomfort and indigestion.

    Above all, trust God. He’s the greatest. He knows everything. He knows you. He led you here. Keep searching.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: