The Mystery was revealed for the first time in the New Testament

[Editorial Note: This post has been updated and modified.  NEPT brought up very important information that has been integrated into this post]

I was up doing things on my computer early this morning when I got an email from Mrs Watcher who had been listening to a lecture by Church Missler.

She was down stairs in the bedroom listening to Chuck Missler.

Her message was short and to the point along with a link to one of his fabulous sermons:

The fact that the gentiles would also be saved as well as the Jews was a mystery revealed for the first time in the New Testament.  The mystery is that they would be fellow members of the body.. fellow heirs

start at 13 min. and 36 min. insight of 24 elders

 

The Old Testament does in fact allude to the Gentiles (heathens) coming to Christ. This is one of many examples,

Malachi 1:11

11 For from the arising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my bname shall be great among the cGentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

but as Chuck explains, there was a mystery about this fact that was not revealed until the New Testament times.

I love to glean deep insights from a formidable Bible scholar like Missler.

Obviously Chuck doesn’t get everything right because he is limited to the KJV of the Bible and does not have the additional canons of scripture that Joseph Smith brought forth.

My goodness it would be fun if we could hear a discourse from him after he accepts the further light from the other canons of scripture that Joseph Smith brought forth.. perhaps we will some day.

If you are an (LDS) “Jewish Christian”, listening to Chuck for the first time, it will seem strange because he is a “Gentile Christian”, so his terminology and religious worldview will differ from what you are familiar with because there is a greater blindness upon Jewish LDS Christians. This is because those who have the light of the restoration scriptures yet deny the truth and practice idolatry have rejected the higher light and therefore have fallen much further than the gentile Christians. In essence the Jewish Christians have become a cult.

BTW when you get to 35:01 listen to what he is saying about the “24 elders” that sit around the throne of God.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

This is what Joseph Smith said about the 24 elders:

5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.

I would submit that the seven churches spoken of in the Book of Revelation might have been referring to a later time rather than the New Testament Churches.

There are several reasons why I make this speculation. One of them is because John had his vision many years AFTER the events mentioned in the New Testament and everything in the BofR is speaking of events to take place in the future of when he is writing his vision.

Rev 1:1 The revelation of John, a servant of God, which was given unto him of Jesus Christ to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, that he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John,

We have documented in previous posts and articles that the “seven spirits of God” spoken of above in Revelation Chapter 4, (and referenced in JST Rev 3:1, 4:5), probably match up with the seven shepherds prophesied in the Book of Micah, the seven eyes of the Lord who run to and fro in the whole earth in Zechariah and with the “seven elders” who were given promises of great things to accomplish during the third watch in Section 29 and 84.

That being the case, it stands to reason that the “four and twenty elders“, mentioned in the above passage in Revelation 4 appear to be contemporaries of the seven servants living during Joseph Smith’s first ministry and returning in the third watch.

This begs the question, was there a quorum of twenty four elders ever called to a ministry and given a commission during Joseph first ministry?

It is a little known fact that on February 17th 1834 a general council of “twenty four high priests” were called by revelation to meet at Joseph Smith’s house.

This quorum of high priests organized a “high council of the Church of Christ” that was composed of “twelve high priests” See D&C 102 (Since a high priest is also an “elder” the council of twenty four high priests could also be called a council of “Twenty Four Elders“)

All of this was done according the “law of heaven

That is important to keep in mind when reading about the 24 elders in Chapter 4 of the Book of Revelation.

The High Council of 12 high priests could also be called a “high council or quorum of elders“. Also, the high council of twelve high priests could also be called a “Quorum of Twelve Apostles

This is true because all high priests are also apostles:

63 And as I said unto mine apostles, even so I say unto you, for you are mine apostles, even God’s high priests; ye are they whom my Father hath given me; ye are my friends;
111 And behold, the high priests should travel, and also the elders, and also the lesser priests; but the deacons and teachers should be appointed to watch over the church, to be standing ministers unto the church. Doctrine and Covenants 84:63,111

As you can see, High Priests called by the Melchizedek priesthood when the fulness was on the earth, are also “Apostles“.

Interestingly later on in the same revelation (Section 102) the “traveling high council of  of the Twelve Apostles” is mentioned:

30 There is a distinction between the high council or traveling high priests abroad, and the traveling high council composed of the twelve apostles, in their decisions.

This begs the question, is the above passage referring to the quorum of twelve high priest which the content of the revelation has been about, or, is it referring to the Twelve Apostles that would be called almost exactly one year after the revelation was given?

The preface of the revelation points out that verses 30-31 were added by Joseph Smith after the revelation was given. I have not been able to accertain whether the change was made before or after Brigham Young and his brethren of the patriarchal quorum of the Twelve were called.

Here is the chronology I have been able to find, but I don’t know when Section 102 was edited.

Feb 19 1834 The revelation known as Section 102 was given.

September 24, 1834 (HC 2:165, 243-44) Joseph Smith and a committee appointed to the task on edited the revelations that had formerly appeared in the Book of Commandments. They corrected scribal and printing errors and occasionally clarified the text. They added explanations of the duties of officers that were new in the Church organization since the earlier revelations were received. They also combined some of the revelations to simplify publication and corrected grammatical problems.

January 3-5 1835 Joseph was editing Lectures on Faith for insertion into Doctrine and Covenants
(my guess is that all of the revelations had been edited prior to working on Lectures on Faith but I cannot prove that)

February 14 1835 Evangelic priesthood quorum of Twelve apostles were called

August 4th 1835 Doctrine and Covenants was presented for publication

I can see it being argued either way as to whether that verse is referring to the high priest apostles or the patriarchal apostles.

Regardless, we have established the fact that high priests holding the melchizedek priesthood that have proven themselves worthy, are also God’s apostles. Hence:

The VERY FIRST QUORUM OF TWELVE APOSTLES IN THE RESTORED CHURCH OF CHRIST was called by revelation and given their assignment only about nine months prior to the Lord pronouncing condemnation upon the leaders and members of the church and after the fulness of the gospel and priesthood was suspended for a little season.

Very little is ever heard about the administration and ministries of these 24 high priests  which included the first quorum of the Twelve Apostles that were called.

This is because their ministries were suspended shortly after they were called when the church fell under condemnation.

During the following year (1835) the witnesses of the Book of Mormon called and ordained twelve apostles to witness of the “Name of Christ“. This was in accordance to the commission the Lord had given the witnesses several years earlier.

Very few people realize that the quorum of the Twelve apostles called and ordained by the witnesses of the Book of Mormon were the second quorum of the Twelve to be called during Joseph’s ministry.

Further, their calling and priesthood differed significantly from the first.

The second quorum called by the witnesses was called according by the authority of the “keys” of the patriarch/Aaronic priesthood that had been restored by John the Baptist.

Conversely, the first quorum was called according to the keys of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

The second quorum was called for the purpose of taking the knowledge of the gospel to the dispersed of Judah and the outcasts of Israel.

The Melchizedek Quorum of the Twelve will return with their other Twelve brethren of the general council in the third watch to complete their ministries. They will accomplish amazing things and it appears as if they are mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

 

One more observation. When the 24 High Priests met at Joseph Smith’s house, the meeting began by reading chapter three of Joel.

Is that just a random chapter to read to begin a meeting, or was it prophetically inspired. It seems like a strange chapter to read to open a meeting of the high council.

The chapter speaks of events to take place in the end times, in the third watch.

Could it have been referring to events relating to their future calling when they return to the earth?

Praise God

10 Responses to The Mystery was revealed for the first time in the New Testament

  1. Josephina says:

    I like how you always make everything about the LDS and the BOM. But to be honest, you don’t need either in order to have a close relationship with God and Jesus. In fact, there are so many prophets on the earth right now and they ARE NOT LDS and have so many amazing experiences beyond the veil. Why do you think everything has to be about Mormons? God is no respecter of persons – including Mormons … we are not his only covenant people and neither are we “Chosen”. We have been given this narrative to stay in the church, pay tithings and increase the Babylonian church. There are only save 2 churches – the church of God and the church of the devil … those who belong to the church of God are those from all races, kindreds, tongues, nations who love Jesus, are baptized by authority from God (not authority by keys of our supposed chosen church). Until we all wake-up to the fact that we are not segregated chosen people, we will never understand God’s love for all his creation.

    • “I like how you always make everything about the LDS and the BOM.”

      This post was not just about the Mormons. I am one of the few bloggers from the LDS tradition that blogs about the broader scope of Christianity and speaks about how they all fit in.”

      “But to be honest, you don’t need either in order to have a close relationship with God and Jesus.”

      I have never suggested that a person could not have a close relationship without the Bible or Book of Mormon. In fact, Chuck Missler and the countless Christians like him demonstrate that you can have a close relationship with God and Jesus… probably closer than most latter day saints have.

      “In fact, there are so many prophets on the earth right now and they ARE NOT LDS and have so many amazing experiences beyond the veil. Why do you think everything has to be about Mormons?”

      Each person needs to discern for themselves who is a prophet and whether their experiences beyond the veil are valid or if they are given and predicated on how much light the person has.
      Again, you must not have read this post very carefully. I am praising the sermon of a nonMormon who does not believe in the mission of Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon or anything pertaining to the LDS restoration. How can you accuse me of only blogging about Mormons?

      My audience and background is primarily Mormon and that is why much of this blog deals with Mormonism.
      Feel free to not read this blog if you don’t like the general topics.

      “God is no respecter of persons – including Mormons … we are not his only covenant people and neither are we “Chosen”.”

      Forgive me for being direct, but your comments are irrational and illogical in light of this post and others that I have written. They would indicate that you did not read the post or others I have written.

      I am claiming that the invitation to come unto Christ is given to all. Those that repent will not need to suffer like the unrepentant.

      God has a covenant with both Jews and Gentiles.

      ” There are only save 2 churches – the church of God and the church of the devil … +

      I see this passage quoted i ad nausea. You are misinterpreting that passage in 1 Nephi 14. Please do a contextual, chronological reading of the whole chapter to fully understand the prophetic narrative about the future instead of focusing on only one verse and assuming that the passage always applies. You will find that the narrative is saying that AFTER the great and marvelous work begins there will be only two churches on the earth because of the great global polarization that it will create:

      For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken….

      And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

    • “I like how you always make everything about the LDS and the BOM.”

      This post was not just about the Mormons. I am one of the few bloggers from the LDS tradition that blogs about the broader scope of Christianity and speaks about how they all fit in.

      “But to be honest, you don’t need either in order to have a close relationship with God and Jesus. ”

      I have never suggested that a person could not have a close relationship without the Bible or Book of Mormon. In fact, Chuck Missler and the countless Christians like him demonstrate that you can have a close relationship with God and Jesus.

      But thanks for being honest.

      “In fact, there are so many prophets on the earth right now and they ARE NOT LDS and have so many amazing experiences beyond the veil. Why do you think everything has to be about Mormons?”

      Each person needs to discern for themselves who is a prophet and whether their experiences beyond the veil are valid or if they are given and predicated on how much light the person has.

      Again, you must not have read this post very carefully. I am praising the sermon of a nonMormon who does not believe in the mission of Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon or anything pertaining to the LDS restoration. How can you accuse me of only blogging about Mormons?

      My audience and background is primarily Mormon and that is why much of this blog deals with Mormonism.

      Feel free to not read this blog if you don’t like the general topics discussed.

      “God is no respecter of persons – including Mormons … we are not his only covenant people and neither are we “Chosen”.”

      Forgive me for being direct, but your comments are irrational and illogical. They would indicate that you did not read the post or were not coherent when you read it. I have never said Mormons are the only chosen people.

      The invitation to come unto Christ is unto all. He has a covenant with both Jews and Gentiles.

      “There are only save 2 churches – the church of God and the church of the devil … ”

      I have heard this scripture misinterpreted by fringe groups ad nausea.

      You are misinterpreting that passage in 1 Nephi 14. Please do a contextual, chronological reading of the whole chapter to fully understand the prophetic narrative about the future instead of focusing on only one verse and assuming that the passage applies to our time. It does not.

      You will find that the narrative is saying that AFTER the great and marvelous work begins there will be only two churches on the earth because of the great global polarization that it will create. At that time, the true church of the Lamb of God will be restored to the earth. The servants will go forth warning the people and everyone will need to make a decision. Things will be black and white at that time. We live in a sea of dark gray right now right up until the Marvelous Work begins:

      “For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken….

      And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

      The cold hard fact of the matter is that there is only ONE church on the earth right now and everyone is in it, including you and me.

  2. JN says:

    Never a dull one, thanks for sharing this!

    Interesting to note that in the new “Church History” book that the church just released, “Saints”, it fails to speak about or mention that the Morley farm conference even occurred, let alone any details about it. There is a brief mention of section 52 and the “next conference” but that is it. Sad that such a major event is still not acknowledged or given the proper light it deserves. Why do you think they are so blind to this important event? Just keeping with the narrative?

    • Interesting that you bring that up.

      Myself and a few readers and bloggers are getting ready to make an exciting announcement about a corroboration project that all readers will be invited to participate in. It involves integrating the really significant events of church history into the standard works and Lecture and JST

      Anyone interested can contact me at onewhoiswatching [at] gmail dot com

  3. JN says:

    Watcher,

    Who are the “seven” (Joseph plus six)? Can we identify them by name?

    • It is difficult to know for sure who each of the seven was from historical sources. One of my readers shared this snippet from the historical recollections of David Whitmer which speaks of the state of the young church at the time that section 29 was given. It probably identifies six out of the seven:

      -from david whitmer’s ‘an address to all believers in christ’

      “In this month I was baptized, confirmed, and ordained an Elder in the Church of Christ by Bro. Joseph Smith. Previous to this, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery had baptized, confirmed and ordained each other to the office of an Elder in the Church of Christ. I was the third person baptized into the church. In August, 1829, we began to preach the gospel of Christ. The following six Elders had then been ordained: Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, Samuel H. Smith, Hyrum Smith, and myself. The Book of Mormon was still in the hands of the printer…

  4. NEPT says:

    Hey Watcher–If you look at the original meeting minutes from 17 Feb 1834 (JS Papers), they do not contain the reference to the 12 apostles made in verses 30-32. So, it is true that they must have been inserted afterwards, probably before publication of D&C in 1835. I get what you’re trying to say, but the fact that they were not mentioned explicitly in the original meeting suggests that they were added as an afterthought.
    NEPT

    • Great catch!!!!

      Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

      I meant to check that but get distracted.

      I will alter the post to reflect that.

      I would still argue that when Joseph inserted it, the flow and intent of the insertion is still referring to the topic of the post and the leading high council, not to the patriarchal Twelve. But I can see how it can be argued both ways.

      The point is still valid that the high council of Twelve high priests were still apostles and therefore they constituted a quorum of Twelve Apostles. One reason I find this important is because in the NT there does not seem to be one person or three people at the top of the ecclesiastical structure, rather it seems the church was being governed by a group consisting of twelve traveling apostles. ( am not suggesting that the Twelve did not have a presiding officer)

      I have often wondered why the restored church was not patterned similarly. I think this sections shows that it might have been.

  5. G.azelem says:

    Hey Watcher,

    I always thought Section 18 mandated Oliver and David to ORDAIN the Twelve Apostles… but now I realize that they were only told to SEARCH for them…

    I was never able to understand how Section 18 spoke so highly of the Twelve Apostles when church history has proven otherwise if you look at the twelve in which David and Oliver called. I now see that the TRUE twelve apostles– under the Melchizedek Priesthood!– have been snubbed from history. Luckily Section 102 proves their existence.

    I thought Oliver and David would return to the earth as part of the marvelous work and ordain the Twelve who would be living on earth today, but now I realize that this was a wrong misunderstanding of Section 18. This makes so much more sense.

    However, it does leave one question in my mind. Is Section 112 referring to the apostate Twelve, or the Melchizedek Twelve? I now need to review that section with this paradigm shift.

    -G.azelem

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