“there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh”

There are numerous people in the Snufferite movement, the corporate church, and other factions that are obsessed with getting what they refer to as the “second comforter”.

I have pointed out in previous blogs that one categorically cannot get the second comforter until AFTER one gets their calling and election.

One cannot get their calling and election made sure until after they have received the fulness of the gospel (which is currently not on the earth as evidenced by the fact that the spiritual gifts that always accompany the fulness are not longer present.)

In these last days, God has provided clarification for the information in the New Testament and shed light on the practice of having all things in common. He has revealed that one must enter into the true law of consecration and received their inheritance once that law has been given.

Obviously, one must receive the true, full, baptism of fire and the holy ghost BEFORE one can successfully enter into the fullness of God’s law.

I believe that was the downfall of the restoration saints.

While many of us have experienced the manifestations of the spirit that accompany belief in God’s word and gospel, none of us have had the full baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost that is only available when the fulness is on the earth.

One of the sections of scripture that these people who are obsessed with getting the second comforter often quote to substantiate their claims that we should be seeking a personal visitation from Christ, in the flesh, is contained in 2 Nephi 32

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray, ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.

9 But behold, I say unto you that ye must pray always, and not faint; that ye must not perform any thing unto the Lord save in the first place ye shall pray unto the Father in the name of Christ, that he will consecrate thy performance unto thee, that thy performance may be for the welfare of thy soul.

I believe these people who are obsessed with getting the “second comforter” are misinterpreting the following snippet from the above passages

“..there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh..”

I don’t think the prophet was stating that no more doctrine will be given to the individual until after they individually have a “second comforter” visitation from Christ in the flesh.

I think he is referring to Christ’s future appearing in the flesh to the Nephites after his death and resurrection.

That account is contained in 3rd Nephi.

A careful reading of 3rd Nephi clearly documents that additional doctrine besides the necessity of entering into the gate through baptism was indeed given at that time as to what a person needs to do AFTER being baptized, following the resurrection of Christ.

It has to do with another offering that incorporates the ingesting the blood and flesh of Christ.

This additional doctrine could not be revealed and appreciated, in its fullness, until AFTER Christ had suffered and been crucified and resurrected.

You will note that the sacrament was offered TWICE in those chapters when Christ was visiting the more righteous portion of the Nephites.

The first time it was offered in chapter 18 it appears to have been a preparatory, symbolic, ordinance, similar to what Christ and his apostles did just BEFORE his death and resurrection.

The first time it was offered, Christ had his disciples get the bread and wine for the offering

1 And it came to pass that Jesus commanded his disciples that they should bring forth some bread and wine unto him.

In this first offering, the bread was obtained through earthly means by the disciples and it was symbolic of his body to remind them of his body and the wine was symbolic of his blood to remind them of his blood that was shed:

“And this shall ye do in remembrance of my body..”

“..in remembrance of my blood, which I have shed for you”

The second time the sacrament was offered, in Chapter 20 it was a mystical event. The bread and wine was not just symbolic of his body and blood, it was literal.

This time the disciples did not need to get the bread and wine for the sacrament. Christ mystically provided it.

6 Now, there had been no bread, neither wine, brought by the disciples, neither by the multitude;

7 But he truly gave unto them bread to eat, and also wine to drink.

This second time the sacrament was given, Christ promised the partakers that they would never hunger nor thirst. They were then “filled with the spirit” and “gave glory to Jesus” with “one voice”.

8 And he said unto them: He that eateth this bread eateth of my body to his soul; and he that drinketh of this wine drinketh of my blood to his soul; and his soul shall never hunger nor thirst, but shall be filled.

9 Now, when the multitude had all eaten and drunk, behold, they were filled with the Spirit; and they did cry out with one voice, and gave glory to Jesus, whom they both saw and heard.

Why was the sacrament given two times in a row?

Why was the first offering symbolic while the second offering was literal?

Why did the second offering appear to fill the body of believers with the spirit and unite them in one accord while the first one did not?

It is worthy to note that during the interim between the two offerings, Christ ascended to the Father. Before ascending he had declared:

“Behold, my time is at hand..  I go unto the Father”

Was his ascension to the father integral to the power in the second offering?

With this context in mind, one might get a deeper appreciation for the additional doctrine that was provided after Christ appeared to the Nephites in the flesh, as documented in 3rd Nephi.

All of this was prophesied about many years earlier in 2nd Nephi 32

“there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh”

When Christ appeared to the Nephites in the flesh, he did indeed give additional doctrine.

I suspect that the specifics of what Christ said to the Nephites in 3rd Nephi as well as the chronology in which these things occurred might have greater significance than we realize.

I plan on doing a bullet point chronology of what took place between Christ and the Nephites in 3rd Nephi.

You might want to do the same thing in one of your scripture study sessions.

You can then compare notes with me and let me know what I missed that you think is significant.

 

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One Response to “there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh”

  1. ryannickelco says:

    Wow! I do have read that verse in second Nephi along with many commentaries on how that deals with the second comforter.

    Sometimes I forget that I can treat the Book of Mormon as a book of scripture with promises fulfilled later on in the book. As you pointed out here.

    I’m going to have to read it 3 Nephi and take note of the chronology.

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