Chuck Missler and John the Revelator are Mystics?

Some 30+ years ago I wrote a paper titled “A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement“.

It used keyword searching technology to unlock some hidden information in scripture that addresses the topic of where the real Jerusalem of end times prophecy is really located.

It also showed mathematically through the use of a numerical sequence that the Kirtland Temple and related events had been prophesied of anciently by the prophet Daniel. Several years later I would write a little more blatantly about who the real latter day Jews really are.

In essence, it showed that the LDS restoration movement was fulfilling many of the prophecies of the ancient prophets like Isaiah and Daniel:


I realized when I presented the first article that the information I was proffering would be diametrically opposed to the indoctrination that all Christians, including Mormons, as well as Protestants and Catholics had previously been taught.

This problem was further complicated by the fact that at the time I wrote the paper, it contradicted the teachings of an LDS Hebrew scholar who had gained a great deal of popularity from his books and lectures on Isaiah.

Even though much of what he was teaching was very inspired, including the fact that the Marvelous Work and a Wonder was a future event, his basic premise about who the Jews were and where the Jerusalem of end times prophecy is located, was completely wrong.

He implies that he can understand the words of Isaiah better than us Gentile Ephraimites because he has studied Hebrew and he understands how Jews think.

Sadly, he continues to this very day to teach the same false prophetic story-line about where the latter day Jerusalem is and the associated prophetic events. By doing so, he pretty much negates the truth points he brings out by directing peoples attention to a false paradigm.

Certainly we can learn from the Jews. This link is to a wonderful article written by Dr. James Tripp showing the four levels of meaning in scripture. It substantiates the belief that there are multiple layers of meaning in scripture.

But those of Ephraim should not discount their own spiritual gifts pertaining to understanding scripture and doctrine in favor of those that claim to be proficient in the learning of the Jews!

One passage of scripture that has been greatly misunderstood is in 2nd Nephi 25 which begins with the following passage

Now I, Nephi, do speak somewhat concerning the words which I have written, which have been spoken by the mouth of Isaiah. For behold, Isaiah spake many things which were hard for many of my people to understand; for they know not concerning the manner of prophesying among the Jews.

That passage by itself could be interpreted to indicate that one needs to have an academic understanding of the manner of prophesying of the Jews in order to understand the words of Isaiah.


It is not referring to the importance of the learning and traditions of the Jews and how they think. It is simply speaking about the prophesying of true prophets that took place AMONG the Jews. Nevertheless, the Jews had darkened minds.

If one continues to read the narrative, one gets a broader context of the point that Nephi really is making.

Nephi continues in the next passage to observe that the works of the Jews were in the darkness which is why he opted to not teach his children many things concerning the manner of the Jews.

For I, Nephi, have not taught them many things concerning the manner of the Jews; for their works were works of darkness, and their doings were doings of abominations.

He then makes an observation which explains why so many of the House of Israel that have been gathered into the church in these latter days have difficulty understanding the words of Isaiah and why they can only begin to believe in Christ

Wherefore, hearken, O my people, which are of the house of Israel, and give ear unto my words; for because the words of Isaiah are not plain unto you..

The words of Isaiah are not Plain unto the remnants of the House of Israel that began converting to the church and gathering to America during the Nauvoo period!!!

I have shown in previous posts that the knowledge of the gospel was taken from the restored gentile church and taken to the House of Israel after the gentiles rejected the gospel in about 1834. Remnants of the House of Israel began converting and coming to Nauvoo and then Utah from across the great waters.

Nephi informs us that the words of Isaiah are not plain to those of the House of Israel. This is in part why the Latter day Saint (Jews) struggle with understanding the words of Isaiah!

Ok then, what is the bottom-line to understanding the words of Isaiah (and the gospel of Jesus Christ for that matter)?

Here is the continuation of the above passage

… nevertheless they are plain unto all those that are filled with the spirit of prophecy.


The ultimate key to understanding Isaiah is not to study how the Jews think or prophesy. It is not from studying the words of Hebrew scholars who have been educated by the universities of Babylon and who don’t even  know where the Jeruslaem of end times prophecy is located or who the real Jews are.

The key that the scriptures and Joseph Smith taught, is personal revelation that comes while searching the holy word of God. It is the spirit of prophecy.

If you are one who receives personal revelation you can understand the words of Isaiah and also the fulness of the Gospel.

Following the above passage, Nephi then provides a commentary on the words of Isaiah in PLAINNESS not based on his learning of how the Jews prophesy, but rather on speaking while inspired by the spirit of Prophecy which was a spiritual gift that he had in him from the time he left Jerusalem!

But I give unto you a prophecy, according to the spirit which is in me; wherefore I shall prophesy according to the plainness which hath been with me from the time that I came out from Jerusalem with my father; for behold, my soul delighteth in plainness unto my people, that they may learn.

Those that have compared the spiritual gifts of the House of Israel to those of the newly converted gentiles of the restoration movement realize that the Gentile Ephraimites who convert to Christ have spiritual gifts pertaining to understanding things that are not given to the House of Israel.

That is why the Jews that began coming into the church during the Nauvoo period could only begin to believe in Christ and were not even preached to until after the fulness was taken from the church.

Unlike the remnants of the House of Israel, the believing Gentiles, once they have repented, have been given the spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost of understanding the differences of administration and the diversities of operations and the discerning of spirits..


gentile spiritual gifts

The listings of spiritual gifts above represent a comparison between the gifts of the spirit given to the House of Israel as contained in Moroni 10, and the gifts of the spirit given to the believing Gentiles in Section 46

The above comparison explains why so many Mormons and Mormon fringe groups have become obsessed exclusively with the simple gospel narrative in the Book of Mormon while virtually excluding the much more detailed explanation of priesthood and priesthood offices and principles of church organization and church administration that are contained in the Doctrine and Covenants.

This is why those remnant fringe groups often quote the following passage but on focus on the Book of Mormon part of it.

54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—

55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.

56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all.

57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—

Those FORMER COMMANDMENTS were canonized in the BOOK OF COMMANDMENTS. shortly thereafter and eventually most of those revelations were canonized once again into the DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS. 

An yet, the latter day Jews who call themselves the remnant have a huge bias and blind spot when it comes to the revelations that came through Joseph Smith.

Anytime it appears to them as if the revelations through Joseph Smith conflict with the Book of Mormon, they readily discard the revelations that came through God’s servant.

This is why the Snufferites have rejected Section 20 and have focused on Book of Mormon protocol and their own logic in creating their own articles and covenants pertaining to church administration.

Paradigm Changes to Not Come Easily

I knew that the information I was presenting in the article about the true location of the latter day Jerusalem that Isaiah speaks about would not be easily accepted by Mormons.

In an effort to prepare the hearts and minds of my readers for the paradigm shift they were about to experience, I began the article with my favorite definition of the word mystical:

mys·ti·cal having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent
to the senses nor obvious to the intelligence

Another great definition is found in the 1828 Websters:

MYS’TICAL, a. [L.mysticus.] Obscure; hid; secret. [.] 1. Sacredly obscure or secret; remote from human comprehension. [.] [.] God hath revealed a way mystical and supernatural. [.] 2. Involving some secret meaning; allegorical; emblematical

I began the paper with the first definition above because I realized that what I was about to present to my readers who were prophecy buffs was going to challenge parvery fiber of their being.

It would contradict many years of indoctrination that apostate Christianity had taught them.

They would have to unlearn virtually everything they had been taught about the events of the end times.

I wanted my readers to realize that the scriptures contain hidden treasures of knowledge that are not apparent from a cursory reading of God’s holy word.

Many years after writing the article I was invited to submit a post on the LDSAnarchy website. Realizing that the readership of that blog was use to thinking outside of the box, I posted that particular article, hoping that the information would fall upon fertile soil.

This is what the first commenter had to say after reading the article:

Hm, talk about a paradigm shift. You make an interesting argument, if it is true, it is back to the drawing board for most of my preconceived notions on end time events. I have enjoyed your blog and was surprised to see you post a topic here, but am glad you did. I enjoy your insights.

Chuck Missler is a Mystic

I have mentioned several times on this blog that I admire and appreciate Church Missler as a scriptural scholar. Although he will continue to have blind spots until he accepts the Book of Mormon and the commission of Joseph Smith, he is incredibly inspired in his studies of the Bible.

I noticed the other day while watching one of his youtubes that he referred to himself as a “mystic”.

This was interesting to me because several years ago I began considering myself and others who search the scriptures deeply for the hidden things to be mystics.

I found it interesting that he and I both found that term to be applicable to those who believe that the deeper truths contained in the scriptures are hidden and needed to be prayerfully searched for. They are not plainly manifest on the surface.

Missler also refers to John the Revelator as a mystic.

The following youtubes by Missler contain a wonderful summary of the distinction between the writers of the four gospels, showing how they each had a distinct contextual point of view and been prepared by God to provide the narrative of the Gospel that they each provided.

If you spend a few minutes listening to Chuck Missler you will get 1000% more light and knowledge and understanding about Christ and his gospel than you will by listening to any general conference put on by the LDS church.


The Scriptures are like an Onion

Students of the scriptures and the gospel would do well to realize that the scriptures are like an onion, having layers of meaning which cannot be mined through a cursory reading.

Cleansed by the Word

Another thing students of the Gospel need to realize about the holy and ineffable word of God in scripture is that it actually has the mystical ability to cleanse a person.

One of my favorite passages from the mystical gospel of John quotes Jesus as saying that the word of God can and does clean the hearer who comprehends and believes it.

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 

**Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.** 

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Imagine that. The spoken word of truth from Christ can actually cleanse a person. Clearly those spoken words of Christ in written form have the same effect on those that believe them when read by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps this is why the following protocol provided in Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants reveals that a person can receive the Spirit of Christ and a remission of their sins BEFORE baptism.

37 And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humblethemselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the nameof Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall be received by baptism into his church.

Some have concluded that the above passage is inconsistent with Book of Mormon and New Testament protocols which indicate that a person cannot become clean until after baptism. However our gospel dispensation and circumstances  are different from some of the others in the past.

The New Testament Saints only had the Old Testament as their guide with regard to trying to understand the prophetic contemporary events taking place around them.

The same if true of Lehi and his family.

The saints of the LDS restoration movement were bombarded with new scripture.

By the time section 20 was given, the Book of Mormon had been published and the Inspired Version was in process and the revelations in the D&C were on their way followed by the Book of Abraham.

God was giving us his word out of a fire hydrant.

No other generation we are aware of has had so much of God’s word to study and search.

After the gentiles rejected the fulness of the gospel and the KNOWLEDGE of the Gospel was taken to the House of Israel, God told the church that they must wait for a little season of learning and chastisement before they could once again attempt to live the laws of Zion.

A Little Season of LEARNING

We are in the unique position of having had a huge amount of God’s word to study and we have been commanded to study it and learn from it.

At the end of about four generations the keys of the kingdom and the fulness of the Gospel is to be returned to the earth with those having the commission to gather the elect to Zion.

Section 1, 29 and 101 & 103 mention very specifically who the servants are that will gather the elect to Zion. They testify that Joseph Smith and his brethren of the restoration have that commission and will return to complete it.

Our generation is responsible to study and search and ponder God’s word until the appointed time when the servants return.

This is because the holy word of God can cleanse us and prepare us for the true baptism of water, fire and the Holy Ghost that will be restored to the earth at the appointed time.

During the last few years I have pointed out several falsehoods that have been taught by an emerging false prophet who has authored historical content and scriptural interpretations largely high-jacked from  other authors and bloggers.

Very little of what he has said in his talks and books have come by way of his own personal revelation while reading the scriptures and studying the history of the church.

I have had several of his followers contact me and tell me they agree with what I have said as I have pointed out errors in his writings and claims. They can see the inconsistencies in his teachings and the scriptures. They can discern the false doctrine that he teaches. And yet they have chosen to follow him and discount my warning voice because he claims to talk directly face to face with God, while I do not make that claim.

In their minds, he is on a higher level of spiritual understanding than me because of his claim that he speaks face to face with God, despite the fact that he misinterprets so many historical events, scriptures and gospel principles. Because of his blindness and the visitation of a false Christ, he and his followers are currently in the process of transfiguring the holy word of God and entering into a covenant with death.

What they don’t seem to realize is that a person needs to be cleansed by the word of God BEFORE God would ever grant them a face to face audience. You can tell if someone who claims to have a commission from God is a true prophet, or a deceiver or a fallen prophet, or an atonement intercession prophet, by the doctrine he teaches.

Those that don’t first cultivate a relationship with God through an inspired understanding of his written word, and become cleansed by it,  through the spirit of personal revelation will never be permitted to enter into God’s presence to be taught the mysteries.

They can only be visited and deceived by false Christs. Furthermore, one would not continue to teach so many falsehoods and to deny and transfigure existing revelations in the D&C AFTER being taught by God face to face.

The cold hard fact of the matter is that the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is a mystical religion and only those that become mystics and learn through the spirit of personal revelation can comprehend and prepare themselves to truly repent and conform to the full law of the gospel once the appointed time arrives.





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