Miscellaneous Musings #17 “For it was the woman that sinned not the man”

Book of Mormon Geography

I noticed the folks over at Firm Foundation are having another conference. I have never been to one. I may attend this one. It has been nearly 30 years since I wrote A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement” and a few years since I did the blurb about Zarahemla.

The intellectuals over at MormonInterpreter are so insecure about their position regarding Book of Mormon geography that they are up to their shameful tactics again


Mormon Scholarship and Apologetics winning the Battle
Against Evangelical Scholarship and Apologetics?

Carl Mosser and Paul Owen are two evangelical scholars who are warning their fellow evangelical scholars that they are losing the battle against LDS scholarship. The article is really quite interesting and frightening. The thought that our highly educated scholars could actually use their worldly learning and sophistry to promote and justify occult temple worship and other heresies of modern day Mormonism is disconcerting.

Kerry: Rejection of Iran Deal Will Lead to U.S. Dollar Not Being the World’s Reserve Currency

Chinese markets down over 11% this week. World markets tumbling, and getting worse by the day. France (CAC 40) dropped more than 5% today!!!

Dow dropped over 350 points yesterday.
Dow futures heading south this morning.

CHINA – Shanghai Composite-4.27%

JAPAN – Nikkei-2.98%

FRANCE – CAC 40-3.23%


HONG KONG – Hang Seng-1.54%


As America is sleeping, (according to prophecy we are sleepy, blind, and drunk) war with China has already started. A currency war has been going on and the latest devaluing of China’s currency was followed by a mysterious explosion in China that many are claiming was a military response from the global Banksters in America

On August 11, China’s central bank devalued its tightly controlled currency, causing its biggest one-day loss in two decades. Gerald Celente of Trends magazine appeared on Ground Zero to announce that China has been rigging the game all along and that any kind of devaluing of currency or stocks or an economic sputter in China could plunge the United States economy as well.

The Chinese devalued their currency stating that the change would help drive the currency toward more market-driven movements. The move also signaled the government’s growing worry about slow growth.

In the past, we have seen the rigging of the system by the world’s flawed and fraudulent banking system at the expense of entire populations. Bank manipulations and money devaluing have sent economies into the bowels of hell, and poverty has been known to spark wars, fully funded by the banking systems that launder the money for criminal regimes.

A day later a terrible disaster struck China...”  Read entire article here and another one here

Urgent Message from Jonathan Cahn


Another American election cycle is upon us, and large numbers of people are lining up to pour their time and money into the sewer of politics, to be lost forever.

This system will not be fixed. Period. This is Rome in 460 AD. The rulers, as in Rome, are liars, mad, or drunk (these days, drugged)… or all three.

The “fall of Rome,” of course, was far more… Read the whole article


What Progressive Mormons Want with Julienna Viegas-Haws



John Dehlin’s latest interviewee calls herself a progressive. In an article in the SL Tribune, she provides the following ten things that she thinks progressives want in an ever changing church

1. Increase gender equality

2. Apologize for the racist past and mistreatment of LGBT members

3. Accept married gay couples at all levels

4. Permit members to openly question the authority, teachings and decisions of LDS Church leadership

5. Provide financial transparency in the use of tithes

6. Address the mistakes of polygamy and de-canonize Doctrine & Covenants 132

7. Teach the truth and troubling facts of church history (specifically surrounding Joseph Smith)

8. Speak openly of Heavenly Mother

9. Use tithes and offerings more to help the poor and needy and less on capital projects (temples, churches, commercial buildings, etc.)

10. Stop excommunicating people for openly questioning or expressing doubts

Number six is what caught my eye. Some time ago I stated in a comment on the MormonInterpreter that the Church needs to repent and de-canonize section 132. (because it contradicts the law of the gospel in section 42 and because it is a revelation from hell) I didn’t think anyone would take my comment seriously, however, I am beginning to see this theme being picked up in social media repeatedly. I LOVE IT! (of course the progressives want it removed for different reasons than I, but that is ok as long as it is removed)

Three Passages about Eve’s Transgression that are all Congruent?

In the New Testament as Paul was teaching the saints about the order that was to be adhered to in the church, he noted that it was Eve that sinned, not Adam:

“9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
” 1 Timothy 2:9-15

The Book of Moses 

The Book of Moses narrative characterizes the transgression as being a joint transgression and puts a positive spin on Eve’s transgression. Fittingly it is Eve that has the ah ha about the reason transgression needed to take place and the part she and Adam jointly played in the transgression in the garden:

10 And in that day Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God.
11 And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.
12 And Adam and Eve blessed the name of God, and they made all things known unto their sons and their daughters.

One could argue that Eve sinned first, forcing Adam to sin in an attempt to stay with Eve and obey other commandments that required them to be together, however, there is another way to interpret what is being said. Adam my have been referring to the sin of Eve as HIS own personal sin.

There is a passage of scripture in modern revelation that I think is very revealing and perhaps even more blatant with regard to how God views ADAM. It is found in section 29

34 Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given unto you a law which was temporal; neither any man, nor the children of men; neither Adam, your father, whom I created.
35 Behold, I gave unto him that he should be an agent unto himself; and I gave unto him commandment, but no temporal commandment gave I unto him, for my commandments are spiritual; they are not natural nor temporal, neither carnal nor sensual.
36 And it came to pass that Adam, being tempted of the devil—for, behold, the devil was before Adam, for he rebelled against me, saying, Give me thine honor, which is my power; and also a third part of the hosts of heaven turned he away from me because of their agency;
37 And they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his angels;
38 And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell.
39 And it must needs be that the devil should tempt the children of men, or they could not be agents unto themselves; for if they never should have bitter they could not know the sweet—
40 Wherefore, it came to pass that the devil tempted Adam, and he partook of the forbidden fruit and transgressed the commandment, wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation.
41 Wherefore, I, the Lord God, caused that he should be cast out from the Garden of Eden, from my presence, because of his transgression, wherein he became spiritually dead, which is the first death, even that same death which is the last death, which is spiritual, which shall be pronounced upon the wicked when I shall say: Depart, ye cursed.
42 But, behold, I say unto you that I, the Lord God, gave unto Adam and unto his seed, that they should not die as to the temporal death, until I, the Lord God, should send forth angels to declare unto them repentance and redemption, through faith on the name of mine Only Begotten Son.

Did you notice what the Lord said about Eve in the above narrative?


Was Eve’s participation so insignificant that no mention of her was necessary?

According to the above narrative by God himself, it was Adam that was tempted by the devil, and partook of the fruit and sinned and got kicked out of the garden. Eve is not even mentioned..

..or is she?

Is it possible that God views Adam and Eve jointly as ADAM?


 “In the image of his own body, male and female, created he them, and blessed them, and called THEIR name ADAM, in the day when they were created and became living souls in the land upon the footstool of God.”


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