Notable Emails Part 8 “Who are the Jews and Gentiles?

I just recently got the following email:

“Dear One who is watching, I need some help.  Who are the Jews and Gentiles? 

What I have been taught… A) we separate them based on lineage, i.e. Christ was a Jew  or B) I hear a lot in church them separated by members and non-member?????? 

I just want to know when I am reading the book of Mormon who is who? 

I have tried to read your post on this subject a number of times, but I just get so confused. Is there a simple way to understand who the Lord is speaking to (me, them, the LDS church, the non Lds members) or how I can better understand this as I read?? 

My mind is so mucked up from growing up LDS, any help would be awesome!!!! 

Thanks you so much for time and help, 



“A”, It really can be confusing…

The Book of Mormon refers to the native Americans as “Jews”, “House of Israel”, Nephites, Lamanites, etc.., while referring to the American pilgrims from England that settled in America and their decendents, the American settlers that accepted the gospel at the time of Joseph Smith’s early ministry, as “Gentiles”. However, what many Mormons don’t realize is that Christ makes reference to those LDS converts that would migrate to Nauvoo from oversees, after the early Kirtland years, as the “House of Israel”. Few people catch that because they don’t understand the prophecy given by Christ in 3 Nephi 16 .

Most of the prophecies in the book of Mormon about the problems with the restored gentile church are referring to the restored Gentile church at the time of Joseph Smith’s ministry. They are not referring to those of us living four generations later. For instance in Mormon 8, when the Gentiles are reprimanded for transfiguring the holy word of God and of polluting the Holy Church of God, it is the Kirtland Saints living during Joseph Smith’s ministry that is being referred to, not us. The holy Church of God has not been on the earth during our life time. It has not been on the earth for four generations.  The term “Holy Church of God” refers to the “true and living Church” that has the fulness of the gospel and priesthood.

The Holy Church of God Fled back into the Wilderness

The timeline chart shown below illustrates that the holy Church and kingdom of God came forth out of the wilderness for 3  1/2 years, just as John the Revelator and the Book of Daniel prophesied that it would. Following that, the Saints would be overcome until the ancient of days returns.


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The 3 1/2 year period that the fulness would be offered and ultimately rejected by the Saints, began in June of 1831 when the fulness of priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm and 23 high priests were called by the voice of God out of heaven. It then fled back into the wilderness as soon as the saints cumulatively broke the everlasting covenant as foretold in Isaiah 24.

Exactly 3 1/2 years after the Melchizedek priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm, the Lord gave a revelation declaring that the saints and their leaders were under condemnation and needed to have a reformation in ALL THINGS. Shortly after that, the Lord announced that the covenant of consecration had been broken and that the Saints must wait for a little season to live the law of Zion and the heavens began to close.

Contrary to what LDS apologists tell us about the heretical teachings that infiltrated the church during the Nauvoo  period, that contradicted the early teachings during the revelatory period during the early Kirtland years, Joseph was not more illuminated and revelatory in Nauvoo. The eyes of the seers were being covered just as Isaiah had prophesied. Progressive revelation builds upon and complements previous revelation, it does not contradict it.

Brigham Young’s use of the term Gentiles

Further complicating things for Mormon’s trying to make sense out of all of this Jew and Gentile lingo, is the fact that Brigham Young referred to non-members of the church categorically as “Gentiles” and members of the church categorically as Israel, which is not congruent with how the terms are used in the Book of Mormon.

Christ  informs us in 3rd Nephi 16, that many white Caucasian people that migrated to America after 1836, and after the Gentile church rejected the fulness of the Gospel, were actually referred to as the “House of Israel”

They actually represent different tribes from the House of Israel than most of those Caucasian settlers in America prior to that time.

The Kingdoms of Judah and Israel = Jews and Gentiles

To provide a little broader context for the use of these terms and for better understanding the prophecy in 3rd Nephi, I am going to need to get into a little bit of history.

BTW I believe the Lord intended this topic to be confusing so that prophecy can take place.

You see, there is a reason why most latter days saints don’t really understand who they are, because in order for things to play out they way they are going to, these people need to be oblivious to the fact that most of the major last days prophecies about “Jerusalem” and “Babylon” are going to take place in America, not the Old World. Because of this, they will not understand the prophetic events that are taking place around them until it is too late.

In modern revelation the word Babylon is used about nine times. Sometimes it is referring to spiritual Babylon which is a perverse and pervasive worldwide spiritual sickness that worldly people have, other times it is referring to a geographical area referred to in other scriptures as Babylon the Great, which the elect are commanded to flee from at the appointed time. Obviously it is not talking about the Old World. Clearly, America is the center place that is referred to in end times prophecy as Babylon the Great. America is the great latter day kingdom that pollutes and oppressess all other kingdoms and America is the most evil war mongering empire in the entire world ( which is secretly governed by the Vatican). Those that are still looking to the Old World as the Babylon of the end times simply don’t understand prophecy. And rightly so. God has covered the eyes of the people.

Historical Background of the two houses of Israel

I will not elaborate further on that, but with regard to your question, let me try to provide some background leading up to the prophecy in 3 Nephi.

Please remember that this is just my own interpretation, and I reserve the right to change my mind without notice at any time.. LOL

You will need to do your own searching to verify the truth as it is revealed to you.

Anciently there was the kingdom of Israel which included all of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Eventually the kingdom split into two kingdoms after the death of Solomon. They were called the “kingdom of Judah” (2 1/2 tribes) and the “Kingdom of Israel”. (the remaining tribes)

During Old Testament times, the kingdom of Judah sinned and God dispersed them among the nations but they retained their tribal identity.

They later gathered back to the Old World Jerusalem and reconstituted their tribal kingdom prior to New Testament times. These are the Jews Christ dealt with during His ministry in the meridian of time

The Kingdom of Israel also sinned and was cast out of the Lord’s sight during Old Testament times, mingling among the gentile nations. Unlike the remnants of the kingdom of Judah, they did lose their tribal identity and they did not reconstitute their kingdom like the Jews did..

After the Jews rejected Christ during the meridian of time, they were once again “destroyed” as a kingdom and “dispersed” and  “scattered among the nations”.

The scriptures (and Joseph Smith) referred to these two tribal divisions of the original house of Israel as the “the outcasts of Israel” (kingdom of Israel) and “the dispersed of Judah” (Kingdom of Judah)

In modern times the remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel (outcasts of Israel) are generally referred to “gentiles” because they have been scattered among them and have mingled their seed with them. Many of these gentiles ended up in America prior to the LDS restoration. There are generally two classifications of Gentiles according to the book of Mormon, 1) the believing Gentiles and

2) the unbelieving Gentiles.

Avraham Gileadi has written excellent articles talking about the “gentiles from the house of Israel“. He points out that the believing gentiles actually originated from the house of Israel but then mingled among the gentile nations, losing their tribal identity).

The book of Mormon reminds us that as many of the Geniles as believe, are the covenant people of the Lord:

“For behold, I say unto you that as many of the Gentiles as will repent are the covenant people of the Lord.”

The kingdom of Judah (Jews) in the New Testament were scattered after they rejected Christ. At this time, they also finally lost their tribal identity, just as the kingdom of Israel did., Nevertheless, it appears as if they have largely reproduced within their tribal heritage which enables them to continue being referred to as the “Jews” and the “House of Israel”. They are white and delightsome and look like the Gentiles, but they are clueless about their tribal heritage.. The scriptures still refer to them as the “Jews” and as the “house of Israel” or variations thereof even in these modern times..

The Real Jews Begin to Believe Before Being Gathered

The Book of Mormon informs us that the Jews will begin to believe before they are gathered in the last days. This is one of many reasons we know that those unbelieving folks that have gathered to the Old World Jerusalem, claiming to be Jews, are not the Jews spoken of in prophecy.

When the LDS restoration movement began, most of the American settlers that responded to the call of the restored Gospel during the Kirtland era, were “Gentiles” even though they originate from the kingdom of Israel. Hence the Lord revealed in February of 1834 (D&C 103) that these gentiles saints of the restoration were the latter day Children of Israel:

For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham

In section 109, the Lord referred to Joseph Smith and the first elders of the church as the “sons of Jacob

“That from among all these, thy servants, the sons of Jacob, may gather out the righteous to build a holy city to thy name, as thou hast commanded them.”

But in the same section, he also acknowledged that they are “Identified with the Gentiles” or called, gentiles, because their tribal ancestors had been mingled among the nations:

“Now these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee, concerning the revelations and commandments which thou hast given unto us, who are identified with the Gentiles.”

The Secret Re-establishment of the House of David and Judah

In that same dedicatory prayer, an amazing thing took place that has largely remained a secret to this very day.

An intercessory prayer was offered up by Joseph and others petitioning that “Jerusalem” (referring to the scattered remnants of the kingdom of Judah would begin to be redeemed from their scattered condition and that the yoke of bondage would “begin” to be broken off of the  “house of David”, and that the “children of Judah” would begin to return to the lands of the Abrahamic land covenant (America)

We therefore ask thee to have mercy upon the children of Jacob, that Jerusalem, from this hour, may begin to be redeemed; And the yoke of bondage may begin to be broken off from the house of David; And the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father.

The above passages have nothing to do with the land of Jerusalem in the Old World or with the Ashkenazi Jews that are claiming the Old World Jerusalem as the lands of their inheritance. The smokescreen gathering that took place in the Old World in 1948 that was financed by the Rockafellers, did not begin in 1836. Nothing happened “from that very hour” in the Old World..

What was happening from that very hour was the restoration of the keys of gathering followed by the establishment of foreign missions to take the message of the gospel to the remnants of the House of David and the Children of Judah and to gather them to the land of America that God had promised as the Abrahamic land covenant land to ALL of the tribes of Israel.

The Secret Prophecy and Vision

In fulfillment of the secret petition documented in section 109, the Lord secretly appeared to Joseph and Oliver on the eighth day after the dedicatory prayer and accepted the temple, followed by angelic messengers who secretly ushered in the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, which opened up the way for the petition in the dedicatory prayer to be fulfilled. Additionally, Joseph and Oliver were given the keys of the gathering of Israel by Moses so that the scattered remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah could “begin” to believe, and to gather.  (one of the trademarks of modern Mormonism is that they only “begin” to believe. They have not been able to accept the fulness of the gospel, they can only accept a preparatory gospel)

The history of the church provides documentation that Joseph did organize the Twelve apostles and sent missionaries to Canada, and Great Britain, etc., to begin this amazing gathering of the House of David and the Children of Judah, in fulfillment to the petition offered in section 109, as well as the prophecies in the OT. This event also fulfills the prophecy of Christ in 3 Nephi 16.

Following the 1st and 8th day events that took place in the Kirtland Temple, where in the petition was offered and granted, the message was taken to those of the House of David and the Children of Judah, as well as remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel. Many of the converts that began flowing into Nauvoo from across the ocean are remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah as well as some of the scattered remnants from the ancient kingdom of Israel. These remnants are sometimes referred to as the “Jews” and as the “house of Israel”. (The Book of Mormon sometimes uses those two terms interchangeably)

Below I am going to break down the prophecy of Christ into three distinct historical events. The first two have taken place. The last one is about to take place.

The prophecy of Christ in 3rd Nephi details this exact sequence: 

Part 1- The Gentiles Reject the fulness that is offered for 3 1/2 years between June 1831 and December of 1834

“And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles (Latter day restored church of Christ) shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Part 2- The “knowledge” of the fulness of the gospel is taken from the Gentiles to the House House of Israel: Joseph Smith declares that the Lord has revealed to him that “Something new must be done for the salvation of the Church”. He then established foreign missions to take the “knowledge of the gospel” to the “Outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah”. Thousands of converts began flowing into Nauvoo and eventually to Utah. Following the succession crisis, the Jewish members of the Church overtook the leadership positions of the church and the Gentiles no longer had priesthood power over the remnants of Judah. The kingdom of Judah was secretly re-established in the last days and is now disguised as the C_u_ch   o_   J_s_s   C_r_s_   o_  l_t_e_ d_y  S_i_ts.

11  And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12  And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Part 3- In the third watch, the original servants of God will return and repent at the conclusion of the acceptable atonement offering. The fulness of the gospel will then be restored and the dispensation of the fulness of times and the Marvelous work will be ushered in and the righteous and repentant among both houses of Israel during the last four generations will be reunited in fulfillment of prophecy.

13  But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.


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