Miscellaneous Musings #12 Are the Nauvoo Discourses True?

are you in the wrong place

[WARNING: This blog documents the truthfulness of the restored gospel and the validity of the LDS restoration movement and the ministry of the prophet Joseph Smith. HOWEVER, it also contains very controversial material about LDS Church doctrine and history and it is often critical of Modern Mormonism and the actions and decisions of the leaders thereof.

This particular series of “Miscellaneous Musings” addresses current events and the random thoughts and observations of the author.

At times the author uses a tone of irreverence, cynicism and sarcasm as therapy to help himself and some of his readers cope with the absurd, alternate reality that we live in.

Although many of the Latter day Jews (Mormons)  are convinced that we have the fulness of the Gospel on the earth, I am of the belief that we actually live in the prophesied time of “hidden darkness” when God’s apostate people think they are righteous but they are not..

You should be at least 18 to view this site or have parental permission and a note from your Bishop.

Comments, complaints, accusations and threats can be directed to OneWhoIsWatching [at] gmail dot com. ]

Aaron Weiss Speaks Very Articulately

Deputy Slaps Citizen for Not Allowing Car Search

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XExqABO4kc

Update

“Saratoga County Deputy Shawn Glans had no idea he was being recorded as he tried to intimidate a man into allowing him to search his car, which is why he slapped him on the back of his head while yanking the keys out of his hand, tossing them to another deputy who searched the man’s car and found nothing illegal.

But he does know now after Adam Roberts uploaded the video to Facebook where it began going viral Friday.

Deputy Shawn Glans has been fired!

Update on the deputy that slapped the citizen.

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/saratoga-deputy-arrested-slapping-citizen-video/

Ebola Infographic

Does Jacob 2 Teach that God Sometimes Commands Polygamy?

There is a fellow that has tried to convince me that Jacob 2:30 was really not saying what most people think it is saying. I have stated repeatedly that section 132 is a revelation from hell and that I do not believe in the spiritual wife doctrine. I have written numerous articles to that effect:

I told this fellow that nobody would be happier than me if he was correct about Jacob 2:30 being misinterpreted, however, the wresting of the scriptures that he offered me to prove his point was not compelling to me. I felt that I needed to accept the interpretation at face value until someone could show me a compelling reason to assume a different interpretation.

I noticed the other day that someone came to his website and provided a fascinating explanation of how the meaning of the passage may have been corrupted by the misapplication of punctuation.

http://gregstocks.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/polygamy-vs-the-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-1

I do find that explanation with the differing punctuation to be more persuasive, particularly in light of the condemning text that precedes and follows the declaration. 🙂

Notice the reverse meaning when the punctuation is used differently:

“For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people otherwise; they shall hearken unto these things.” (referring to the things mentioned before and after the verse, condemning the practice of polygamy)

I am still not totally convinced. It seems to me that the passage is probably referring to the Levirate Law.

Just something to ponder..

Obama and the Democrats got a Thrashing..
..to no avail

It was interesting to watch the interview with Obama after the huge thrashing that his policies and the democrats got. He spun the message that he got from voters to mean that people simply want him and congress to “get something done”.

That, of course, was not the message being sent from voters. The messages was, “quit doing what you are doing! You are destroying this nation!”

Obama then proceeded to tell reporters that he was not going to compromise on anything. Either Congress would pass bills that he likes and that promoted his agenda, or he would continue to use Executive Orders to promote his agenda.

I used to get serious heartburn watching him dismantle this nation, however, I keep reminding myself that God has put this latter day Pharaoh in power as a chastisement to this Godless nation. Obama is just one of many judgments that God has sent against the “hypocritical nation”.

Congressman Calls on Americans to
“Surround the White House”
to Stop Obama

Quo Warranto

From time to time patriot groups attempt to reverse the damage being done by the secret combination that is destroying the freedom of all nations.

The Line in the Sand – Breaking News November 10, 2014 Unified Common Law Grand Jury in every State files writ of quo warranto in every Federal District Court, United States Supreme Court and served upon every Federal Judge and all 9 US Supreme Court Justices. Information in the nature of a quo warranto.

Of course we know from prophecy that it will take an intervention from God and His servants to break the bonds that have us in bondage. Nevertheless, for those of you who are just waking up to a sense of our awful situation, this video provides a significant summary of many of the issues at hand.

 The PDF is found here

The   Secret History of the Mormon Church

Over the years, I have been uncovering what I refer to as the secret history of Mormonism. The true history of the LDS Restoration has been hidden and sanitized by well meaning people.  I have shared my findings regarding the history of the restored church, in light of prophecy.

I have taught that after the Gentile church rejected the fulness of the gospel (3rd Nephi 16:10, D&C 124:28) which was on the earth from June of 1831 to November of 1834, by taking lightly the Book of Mormon and the commandments given through Joseph Smith, including the law of consecration, an intercessory offering needed to be made.

The Lords anointed servants of the restoration needed to make this intercessory offering to prevent the Latter day Saints from being swept off of the face of the earth.

Following this 3 1/2 year period and the rejection of the fulness, Joseph and Oliver entered into a “covenant of tithing” for the “continuance of blessings“. This enabled the Saints to complete the Kirtland Temple so that the secret vision and transferring of dispensational keys could take pace behind the veil in the holy of holies.

At that point, the fulness of the Gospel of GRACE, was taken from the Gentiles and replaced with the preparatory gospel of MERCY. The Gentiles then took this preparatory Gospel, which contained the KNOWLEDGE of the fulness of the Gospel to the House of Israel.

Many Mormons are JEWS

In Christ’s prophecy about this event, he said that after the Gentiles sinned against the fulness of the gospel, (in 1834) the gospel would be taken to “His People” the “House of Israel” (This began in about 1839 when Joseph Smith had the Twelve Apostles establish foreign missions ) :

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth..

..I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Throughout the scriptures when referring to “his people” “Israel”, the Lord is usually referring to the “Jews”. Sometimes the word Jews is used synonymously with the term “house of Israel”, while, at other times, it is referring primarily to the “Tribe of Judah” or the “kingdom of Judah”.

It is therefore not surprising that embedded in modern revelation, we are told that the foreign missions that Joseph set up following the secret ushering in of the “dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham”, would be gathering in the Jews:

“That through your administration they may receive the word, and through their administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews.” (Section 90)

“Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children;

And again, the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews; lest I come and smite the whole earth with a curse, and all flesh be consumed before me.” (Section 98)

The Twelve being sent out, holding the keys, to open the door by the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and first unto the Gentiles and then unto the Jews.” (section 107)

All three of the above passages, in conjunction with the prophecy of Christ in 3rd Nephi, inform us that directly after the gospel goes to the Gentiles, it went to the House of Israel, otherwise referred to as the Jews. Clearly, the Twelve Apostles were commissioned to take the gospel to the Jews. Other sections of scripture that show forth the commission to the Twelve Apostles in taking the gospel to both the nations of the earth, to the Gentiles and then the Jews, are Sections 112 and 118.

Those converts that began flowing into the church from Great Britain during the Nauvoo era, were of the House of Israel or Jews, in contradistinction to the Gentiles members of the church from the Kirtland era.

Although some may assume that the preaching of the Gospel to the Jews has not yet begun and is a future, 3rd watch event, the following passage of scripture given during the dedication of the Kirtland Temple proves that from the very hour in which the Temple was dedicated, the ancient city of “Jerusalem”  was redeemed, the “yoke of bondage” began to be broken off of the ancient “house of David” and the literal “children of Judah” began to return to the land of America which is the land of the Abrahamic Covenant!

We therefore ask thee to have mercy upon the children of Jacob, that Jerusalem, from this hour, may begin to be redeemed; And the yoke of bondage may begin to be broken off from the house of David; And the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father.” (Section 109:62-64)

A contextual reading of modern revelation and study of LDS church history, in conjunction with the prophecies contained in the Old Testament, verify that the early Gentile Saints from the Kirtland era, from pilgrim heritage, descended from the ancient “Kingdom of Israel”  that had mingled among the nations of the Gentiles during Old Testament times.

Conversely, the converts flowing in from Great Britain during the Nauvoo era, included the “Children of Judah” who were descendents of the ancient “Kingdom of Judah”, many of which had gathered back to the Old World Jerusalem prior to the Savior’s earthly birth. After rejecting Christ, the kingdom of the Jews was destroyed and dispersed among the nations until they were to be gathered again in the last days and called Latter day “Saints”.

The terms “House of Israel” and “Jews” are often used interchangeably in the scriptures because there is a broad definition of the word Jew. However, within this general group of Jewish LDS converts, was a remnant from the literal “house of Judah“. IMO, the Fielding family was a text book example of descendents of the tribe and kingdom of Judah. When Hyrum Smith’s posterity intermingled with remnants of the house of Judah and were given positions of presidency among the Saints, it enabled the latter day Saints to re-establish the Kingdom of Judah in the latter days!

Despite how corrupt and apostate the modern Latter day Saint Church is, it is still composed of the “Jews” who are the Lord’s people. Traditionally, the Jews have been a rebellious people so it is not surprising that the modern Mormon church is totally apostate and completely out of the way. Nevertheless, they have the standard works which contain the knowledge of the fulness of the Gospel which is being taken to the nations of the earth.

We know that in the 3ed watch, when the last RESTORATION takes place,  the two witnesses that will come with a voice of warning will come to the Latter day Saints that represent the “Jewish nation”  and “Kingdom of the Jews”:

They are two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews after they are gathered..” (D&C 77:15)

Will the latter day Jews listen to the message of the two witnesses and repent when the last restoration begins?

Despite the fact that Brigham Young and the twelve wrested the leadership of the church away from the rightful person who had come in at the gate (See D&C 43:7) and been anointed as a prophet seer and revelator, they still had the authority, according to the law of common consent, to lead the apostate church that did not want to be led by a true prophet, seer or revelator.. it appears, from sections107, 112, and 118, that although Brigham and his fellows were not prophets and seers, they held the keys of taking the scriptures containing the fulness of the gospel, to the Jews, which they did!

President Monson, truly sits in the latter day seat of Moses over the kingdom of the Jews. There is reason to believe that the latter day Saint JEWS are as corrupt and blinded as their ancestors were at the time that Christ came into the world and was rejected by His people the Jews.

From about April 4th, 1836, the period of time that the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham was secretly ushered in, things went downhill as the church fell into yet another time of apostasy. Instead of the law of consecration, the saints tried to create a Babylonian banking entity that ended in disaster. As they fled from Kirtland to Far West, the Saints began warring against the enemies of the church and a secret society called the Danites was established by members of the church who felt that they were now justified in plundering the unbelieving Gentiles and taking the spoils of war.

The next episode brings us to Nauvoo where the Saints continue practicing abominations that led to the martyrdom.

Nevertheless, during this time of apostasy, the message of the gospel was taken by the apostate apostles to the nations of the earth.

The Book of Mormon informs us that because of the abominations of the believing Gentiles, and because they would rejected the words of the prophets, the eyes of the seers would be covered. It informs us that AFTER the eyes of the prophets and seers are covered because of the iniquity of latter day Israel, the sealed book containing the revelation from God from the beginning to the end would come forth in the 3rd watch:

4 For behold, all ye that doeth iniquity, stay yourselves and wonder, for ye shall cry out, and cry; yea, ye shall be drunken but not with wine, ye shall stagger but not with strong drink.

5 For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep. For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets; and your rulers, and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity.

6 And it shall come to pass [after the covering of the eyes of the prophets and seers] that the Lord God shall bring forth unto you the words of a book, and they shall be the words of them which have slumbered.

7 And behold the book shall be sealed; and in the book shall be a revelation from God, from the beginning of the world to the ending thereof.

History verifies that the eyes of the Lord’s prophets and seers, Joseph, Oliver, Hyrum, and Sidney were covered and they erred in doctrine.

Joseph Smith’s eyes were covered by the Lord as a result of his intercessory atonement offering, in which he was used by the Lord to deliver His people over to Satan for a little season. (See section 105)

Because the eyes of the prophets and seers were covered, it is obvious that they taught some false doctrines. This brings up an interesting question regarding the Nauvoo discourses that Joseph Smith gave.

Years ago when I did my series on Sidney Rigdon, I realized that it was his responsibility to prove the revelations brought forth through Joseph Smith, according to the Bible. That is why most of the significant doctrinal discourses during the early days of the church were given by Rigdon. He was one of the greatest doctrinal scholars and preachers of the day.

It seemed odd to me that Joseph began doing the discoursing during the Nauvoo era instead of Rigdon and it got me wondering about the credibility of the doctrinal content of those discourses, in light of the Lord covering Joseph’s eyes.

Are the Nauvoo Discourses True?

I recently got the following email from someone:

“Watcher,

In your opinion, how useful and/or valid are Joseph’s sermons and teachings in the Nauvoo years as compiled in Andrew Ehat’s “Words of Joseph Smith” considering the state that he was in by that time?

I know that you/we accept section 124 as valid and being a true revelation, indeed. However, haven’t you concluded that much of the doctrine brought forth in the period from 1839 until his death is “questionable”?

Just wondering how you view the talks compiled in Ehat’s compilation?

thanks,

XXXX”

This was my response to the above email:

“I have really labored over this question. Early in my quest for truth I obtained a document that contained all of the Nauvoo discourses, very similar to the content contained in Ehats book. At that time I assumed everything Joseph had taught during the Nauvoo era was the gospel truth.

One of the things that modern Mormonism indoctrinates us into thinking is the black and white belief that a person is either a prophet or they are not. If they are a prophet, everything they say is true. If they are not a prophet, nothing they say can be relied upon.

I think this belief creates a stumbling block at two different levels.

The first level of confusion is in the belief that a prophet of the church is infallible in what they teach and that they dont’ have personal opinions that can be wrong (nor is it possible that their eyes have temporarily been covered by the Lord, etc.)

The second level of confusion comes with the belief that we must rely on the prophet of the church to receive revelation for us and interpret the scriptures for us. Yes, at first we may need guidance, but the whole goal of the saving ordinances and the spiritual rebirth is to become revelatory vessels ourselves.

The purpose of receiving the spiritual rebirth and taking the Holy Ghost as our personal guide is to become prophets and revelators for ourselves.

The great key that was revealed to Peter and later expounded by Joseph Smith is that the “rock of personal revelation” is the foundation upon which the true church is built and upon which the gates of hell cannot prevail:

“And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (PERSONAL REVELATION)  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock (THE ROCK OF PERSONAL REVELATION)  I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Notice how the modern paraphrasing of the concept also establishes personal revelation as the rock:

“Yea, repent and be baptized, every one of you, for a remission of your sins; yea, be baptized even by water, and then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. (PERSONAL REVELATION)

 Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, this is my gospel; and remember that they shall have faith in me or they can in nowise be saved;

And upon this rock I will build my church; yea, upon this rock ye are built, and if ye continue, the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.”

Joseph reiterated the truth that the rock spoken of is the rock of revelation:

“The plea of many in this day is, that we have no right to receive revelations; but if we do not get revelations, we do not have the oracles [prophets] of God; and if they have not the oracles of God, they are not the people of God. . . . Jesus in His teachings says, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.’ What rock? Revelation.”

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith (1976), 272, 274.

Joseph also taught that “salvation cannot come without revelation; it is in vain for anyone to minister without it. No man is a minister of Jesus Christ without being a Prophet”.

One of the most liberating and revelatory things I have come to realize is that EVERY SERMON ever given by ANYONE must be measured against the four standard works and PERSONAL REVELATION.

There is no mortal man that is always right and probably no mortal man that is always wrong. This puts the burden on each Saint to discern truth for themselves.

Paul was one of the most revelatory apostles in the New Testament and yet we find the Lord correcting some of his statements in modern revelation.

I make no bones about my disdain for some of the things Brigham Young did and taught, and yet, I sometimes come across things he ways that are profoundly true and revelatory. In fact one of my favorite Brigham Young teachings states that faithfully following the prophet will not save a person if they never learn to become a prophet themselves.

Likewise, I love and admire Joseph Smith, and yet, I can find teachings of his, such as the spiritual wife doctrine and the teachings found in the King Follett sermon that clearly contradict the word of God in the revelations that Joseph Smith himself brought forth, not to mention the Old and New Testaments.

When I finally discovered and began to understand the prophecies contained in 2 Sam 7, Lev 16, and other related passages detailing the true mission of Joseph Smith and the fact that he would eventually have his eyes covered, I began to take everything out of my wheelbarrow of beliefs and begin re-evaluating everything before putting them back into the wheelbarrow.

I began to place the scriptures and the Holy Ghost as the lens through which I studied and verified the gospel instead of categorically accepting everything that Joseph Smith supposedly taught and using his teachings as the lens through which I judged everything else, including the scriptures.

Realizing that Joseph had to have his eyes covered because of the transgressions of Latter day Israel, provided the perfect explanation as to why many of Joseph’s Nauvoo teachings and actions were not congruent with the early Kirtland teachings and revelations that he brought forth.

After revisiting the Nauvoo discourses and dissecting them, I have come to the conclusion for myself that the majority of what he publicly taught during that time was true, although certain things like the King Follett discourse has falsehood in them.

I absolutely love what the Lord says about the apocrypha because I believe it contains the answer to your question about how we should approach the Nauvoo sermons and ALL of the sermons given by ANYONE:

 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning the Apocrypha—There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly;

 There are many things contained therein that are not true, which are interpolations by the hands of men.

 Verily, I say unto you, that it is not needful that the Apocrypha should be translated.

 Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand, for the Spirit manifesteth truth;

 And whoso is enlightened by the Spirit shall obtain benefit therefrom;

 And whoso receiveth not by the Spirit, cannot be benefited. Therefore it is not needful that it should be translated. Amen.

Again, we are directed by the Lord to call upon personal revelation and learning by the spirit, in discerning which parts of the apocrypha are true and which are the interpolations of men.

I believe the same is true when reading the Nauvoo discourses and all other discourses. We must learn to identify and discern truth by the spirit.”

Miscellaneous Musings #11 Six Year Anniversary of OneWhoIsWatching

Miscellaneous Musings #10 Ferguson is Close to the “Center Place”

Miscellaneous Musings #9 The Mystery of the Shemitah

Miscellaneous Musings #8 Sunstone Symposium 2014

Miscellaneous Musings # 7 The Kinderhook Plates were Authentic

Miscellaneous Musings # 6 Jeremy Runnells

Miscellaneous Musings # 5 Phineas Young

Miscellaneous Musings #4

Miscellaneous Musings #3 Kingdom of the Jews (3/7/2014)

Miscellaneous Musings #2 (2/28/2014)

Miscellaneous Musings #1 (2/11/2014)

Advertisements

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: