Miscellaneous Musings #3 Kingdom of the Jews (3/7/2014)

are you in the wrong placeWARNING: This blog documents the truthfulness of the restored gospel and the validity of the LDS restoration movement and the ministry of the prophet Joseph Smith, HOWEVER, it also contains very controversial material about LDS Church doctrine and history and it is often critical of modern Mormonism.

I have been pondering lately how important transparency is.

I will probably be providing the above graphic (or something similar) and disclaimer at the top of all future posts that have extensive criticism, or something similar thereto.

Although I have had disclaimers in posts and on the side panels, I have decided to make a more concerted effort to be as transparent as possible about the fact that I do belief in the LDS restoration BUT I believe there has been a latter day apostasy and I am often critical of the Modern Church and their leaders.

The Miscellaneous Musings Format

I like the “miscellaneous Musings” format from time to time because it works well with my short attention span and the fact that I often have multiple thoughts on my mind.

Historical Essays

According to some anti-Mormon sites, the primary person that has been hired and compensated by the Mormon Church to write the historical essays is a person named Jed Woodworth. Apparently, he has written for BYU Studies and was the co-author to the book, ‘Rough Stone Rolling. Although I have never heard of the guy before, I am sure he is well qualified to act as voice for the prophet of the church in demystifying all of the disconcerting historical and doctrinal dilemmas that confront members of the church. I would love to know how much he is getting paid… I would have done it for much less!

Bait n Switch Internet Sites

I feel that certain sites such as Mormonstories, MormonThink and even Blogs that promote books like Denver Snuffer and Daymon Smiths, whether intentional or not, are somewhat disingenuous on how they portray their doctrinal agenda, on their main page and in their public persona. I feel they seduce readers into a surface narrative that appears to be pro-Mormon, by an active, believing, card carrying Mormon or Mormons, and then slowly lead the reader into a deeper narrative that is not faith promoting, and not historically or doctrinally accurate.

Using Faithful Membership to Establish Credibility

People often use their “active membership” and “supportive of the Church”  status as a badge of credibility to promote whatever they are promoting, be it a book, an idea, or even a claim of personal enlightenment.

When people claim to have special information to share or want testify that they have had some miraculous pentecostal experience they will often want to reassure their readers that they are a credible and believable source by making sure that people know that they are an active member of the church that submits to the “authority” of the true church.

If a person were to state on their blog that they are a normal lay member of The Church  and that they respect the authority of those presiding authorities and that they served an honorable mission and married in the temple, and have a current temple recommend and have been and remain an active member of the church and that they have no intentions of leaving it… I would personally see those credentials as a questionable resume for informing people how to see God, are sharing a vision, etc.

Those that know the truth about how the restored,true and living church, with fulness of priesthood, fled back into the wilderness as quickly as it came out of the wilderness, can see a huge red flag in such a testimony. The fact that a person is pointing people to the modern church as God’s true church and encouraging them to put their trust in that authority, negates veracity of their claim that they are having conversations with God IMO.

Nobody that has been allowed into the presence of God, IMO, would be encouraging people to put their trust in the apostate church.

The old, humble, self depreciating, “I am nothing special” disclaimer that people often provide and how they are ” not any more righteous than anyone else”,  just because they have had the heavens opened and saw the father and the son is questionable.

The problem with such nonsense of course is that 99% of the seekers out there that have desperately been exercising faith to have the heavens opened, haven’t been able to and they are extremely frustrated and insecure about it.

Being assured that any “normal lay member” that is not anymore virtuous than anyone else can have the experience, only frustrates the poor ssouls even more.

MormonThink

The folks over at MormonThink provide this declaration at the top of their main page

MormonThink has been produced primarily by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who are interested in the historical accuracy of the church and how it is being taught to its members and portrayed in the media.

There is a lot of misinformation on the LDS Church that is presented by both critics and defenders of the faith – particularly on the Internet. We present both viewpoints fairly and let the reader decide.

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These purveyors of truth, knowledge, fairness, and objectivity, have also responded to the new history essays in an open letter to President Monson, and, in an attempt to objectively provide both view points, began purchasing billboards along HWY I-15 back in 2011. In November of 2013 their website hits went from 1500 to 170,000 as a result of the billboard marketing campaign:

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The above sign seems intriguing.

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Saving 10%? Hmm these folks are offering both views?

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There’s an objective snippet leading you to both views on the issue!

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Yep, if you are feeling confused, mormonthink is surely the place to go because they are prepared to present two fair, unbiased views for you to consider. LOL

Moral Dilemma of News Reporters

The Ukraine

Dennis Kucinich Tells Bill O’Reilly the Truth about US involvement in destabilizing Ukraine

Monster Putin — Could Ukraine standoff have been avoided by Obama?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/06/monster-putin-could-ukraine-standoff-have-been-avoided-by-obama/

New York New York

Speaking of the Ukraine, I couldn’t help but see some typology in the following video relating to how well Babylon (America) has seduced the people of other nations into wanting the “good life” and the quest for fame and stardom. We have not only seduced the other nations into the false fiat currency that is easily manipulated by the secret cabal that runs this world, which has brought the nations to the brink of global financial disaster, we have affected their entire world view.

I have never seen so much personality packed into one song. The look on the judges face shortly after the song started compared to his face at 1:13 was priceless. During the first 15 seconds I thought the girl was possessed. By about 1:04 it become apparent this girl can actually sing!

Mrs Watcher claims she missed a few notes in the early part of the song, but this country boy was rather mesmerized by the performance. Since Fusion is a skilled musician, I’ll need to get his input as to whether this girl sang off key or not. It was fun to see how she won the audience and the judges over.

She won me over!

I couldn’t help but wonder what percentage of the audience (and even the judges) speak English.. LOL

I’m sure old “blue eyes” was impressed as he watched the performance from the other side.

The Danger of Conspiracy Theories

A Harvard Law professor wrote a very long paper about the danger of conspiracy theories and on page 14 he offered solutions for dealing with conspiracy theorists:

II. Governmental Responses
 What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do, what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).

Daymon Smith and his Cultural Book of Mormon Bullshit

In my last post I shared my belief, after reading the majority of his first two free pdf’s, that Daymon Smith questions the revelations Joseph Smith received in the BofC and the D&C. I have since had two sources verify that my suspicion was correct.

I also questioned whether Daymon even believes the historicity of the Book of Mormon.

I have had two people assure me that he does. One of them recently attended a fireside in which Daymon spoke.

I also speculated that those that accept many of the suppositions contained in Daymon’s writings would end up going down the rabbit hole presented in the jsfellowship site that I provided which postulated that Joseph was never commanded to do anything other than translate the Book of Mormon. That theory of course was just an old David Whitmer invention after he became disenchanted with the church organization

I have now had it confirmed that in fact, that is largely the foundational premise upon which  Daymon’s thesis rests upon, however he has added much more historical detail and gone to great lengths to assassinate the character of people like Parley Pratt and Sidney Rigdon to support his point.

I got a few more emails from the friend that had originally suggested that I read Daymon’s stuff. The confusion of mind and cognitive dissonance that he is experiencing is incredible. IMO He has been thrown into a state of crisis primarily because of the Daymon Smith BS. I am going to share some of his statements and my responses, for those that want to get to the bottom-line  of what Daymon teaches in his writings about the BofM.

I don’t want to clutter this post with the content so you need to click  on the link below to view the dastardly details conjured up from Daymons demons..

daymon smith BS222

Anyway, if the information I have gleaned from my friend is accurate, I believe Daymon Smith has been seduced by an evil spirit and that the same spirit is buffeting my friend. I hope those of you that have obtained a witness that section 1:37-38 is true, and that the revelations in the BofC and D&C that were originally sustained by the church and God, are true, will join with me in mighty prayer that both of these individuals will be released from the spirit of delusion that they have been inflicted with.

The New USA? Secession Movement Gains Steam

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2014/March/The-New-USA-Secession-Movement-Gains-Steam/

Don’t Seize Guns from Idaho Citizens

February 19th, 2014:
The Idaho Senate passed a bill today without any objection to affirm the 2nd amendment by punishing cops who would obey federal orders to seize the guns of Idaho citizens:

Earth Changes

15 Sinkholes open within a 24 hour period

Four Blood Moons

blood moons

We live in crazy freakin times.

We havein our midst false teachers and prophets that Christ has warned us about.

Well over 20 Bankers have committed suicide( or have been suicided.)

A global financial calamity is being predicted by many between now and the first of four blood moons that  takes place on April 14th or 15th depending on whether you are a Jew or a Gentile.

Some think that war with Russia and China is in the cards.

This is a time to watch even harder than usual.

We are getting ready to start the 13th year of what appears to be a 14 year judgment that followed the completion of the 400 years of affliction prophesied in Gen 15:13-16

Pole shift, sink holes, dramatic climate change, jet stream shift, radiation poisoning the oceans, mass animal die offs, increased volcanic activity, oh my!

Need I say more?

I am going to be turning off my comments functionality or just not moderating and responding to questions as frequently as I used to, from time to time as we approach the first of four blood moons coming up in April. This is because I have some projects I am working on and because I don’t want to be distracted as I WATCH.

Hope you fellow watchers will join me as we WATCH.

I absolutely love all of the comments I get on this blog but I just can’t spend as much time conversing with people as  I used to. Don’t be offended if the comment feature is turned off or I am not as responsive, from time to time.  🙂

Here is the next part of the current series.

The Kingdom of the Jews

BTW
If you are a Mormon, there is a good chance you are a Jew 🙂

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13 Responses to Miscellaneous Musings #3 Kingdom of the Jews (3/7/2014)

  1. Ryan says:

    What is your current religious world view of the battle of Armageddon or Gog and Magog given that the Jerusalem spoken of at the end of times is in America?

  2. Ryan says:

    What is the start date that you’re using for the beginning of the 400 years?

    December 21st 1620: Mayflower Pilgrims land at Plymouth Rock.

  3. Ryan says:

    Thank you for exposing Daymon. I do not like his work and you’ve helped me to see more clearly his error from the word of God.

    Thank you and praise God for your work and effort!!

    I have a question about section 20:8

    “And [Moroni] gave him [Joseph] power from on high … to translate the Book of Mormon”

    What power did he give him?

  4. Ryan

    Thank you so much for taking the time to read the expose. When Mrs Watcher read it she gave me a scotch blessing for burying it in a link where few people would bother to view it. She said it was ridiculous that I was blogging about some of the nonsense I was blogging about and then hiding that diatribe on a link. She feels that everyone needs to see it. I just felt that I didn’t want to defile my post with some of the accusations being made against two of God anointed servants and the denial of the Holy Word of God.

    The battle of Armageddon is too lengthy a topic to adequately address in a comments section.. I don’t think it matters really since the Saints will be gathered out and possibly even caught up into the cloud by the time it happens.

    Regarding the passage in section 20, my understanding is that God gave Joseph Smith the power to translate the BofM.. if I have stated differently, please let me know where so I can make a correction and speedily repent of my iniquity.

    My speculation regarding the 400 year timeline is that I believe the literal fulfillment had to do with the Israelite pilgrims from England that landed on the shores of America in 1607. At that time, they planted the cross in this holy land and dedicated it to Jesus Christ. Since that time, latter day Israel has been wondering in this strange new promised land as servants to foreign tax collectors just as the ancient Israelite before Moses delivered them.

    (People misinterpret 2 Nephi 10:10-13 to mean that American has been a land of liberty since the pilgrims got here. The is not true. There has not been true liberty here to date. We have virtually always been under the rule of others and we are about to have foreign troop invade our land. The passage is clearly referring to the time of the 3rd watch when the servants will return and break all of the bonds (bondage) that we are currently shackled with. At that time, the land of Zion will be fortified against all nations and those that fight against Zion shall perish)

    400 years from 1607-8 brings us up to 2007-8, the time of the first financial Crisis and the middle of the 14 year judgment we are currently in.

    There are numerous timelines that all fall in line.

    The stars are lining up.

    According to Lyman Wight, the Lord rejected the church with their dead at or about September of 1841. four generations later (160 years) brings us to September 11 2001 and the crisis of the Twin Towers. (which Kaun does a great job of detailing in the Prophecies of Isaiah).

    September 11th is a reoccurring date in history when ominous things have taken place…. and it has particularly significance in LDS history and prophecy. Section 64 was given on September 11th 1831 and the Lord promised that Kirtland would be a “strong hold” for the Saints for five years (September 11 1836) Joseph understood that if the Saints were faithful in redeeming Zion in that generation, it would need to be by that date. He told the saints to gather around the land of Zion in preparation to the reclaiming of the land, (to meet the bridegroom when he comes) but the saints failed to redeem the land of Zion and apostasy hit the land of Kirtland and the Saints were foreced to flee the Holy Land of Kirtland (Jerusalem). This fulfilled the parable of the ten virgins about the “bridegroom tarried” and did not come at the appointed time (because of the failure of the Saints to repent and consecrate)

    The mountain Meadows massacre also happened on September 11th! (1857) and many other significant events..

    It appears as if there is a “two week” 14 year judgment of this nation that started in September 2001. In the middle of the week, the first financial crisis hit. We are now looking at the beginning of the second financial crisis that is about to take place, possibly on or before the upcoming blood moon.

    Shortly after the 14 year judgment of America is completed, we are within about one year of 2016.

    When I presented the general timeline of the earth on the LDSanarchy website several years ago, I speculated that the end of the sixth seal and beginning of the seventh, would take place either in about 2016 or 2033 depending ob whether the “meridian of time” is based on the time of Christ’s atonement, or based exactly half way between his birth and atonement…

    I was leaning toward 2033 at the time and the anarchist was leaning toward 2016. I have since changed my mind on that but would certainly never admit that to him! LOL

    http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/we-have-found-the-messias/#comment-3164

    http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/we-have-found-the-messias/#comment-3185

    Anyway, this is all pure speculation, the only thing I know for sure is that I am a sinner that needs to be redeemed and that I need to WATCH for I believe the time of deliverance is nigh.

  5. Ryan says:

    I think Mrs. Watcher might be right on this one. But then again some mysteries that need to be sought for. The price has to paid to know that they’re true.

    I’ve read enough, not all, of your work and have prayed about it to know that certain things are true and that I too need to WATCH and be prepared for what is about to come.

    I await for the healed servants to return.

  6. Ryan says:

    Oh and my question about Moroni was:

    Was Jospeh set apart by the laying in of hands as a way of giving power? Was it just word of mouth or was it the act of giving him the Urmin and Thummin that have him the power to translate?

  7. Ryan says:

    Watcher (Brother Edmonds),

    Thank you for posting the Saxton and Jew documents. I now have to go back and mark up my scriptures accordingly. Especially Daniel in relation to D&C 110.

    So will the latter day kingdom of the Jews be overthrown by JtB?

    I can’t wait for the rest if the story.

  8. “by the way if you are a mormon theres a good chance you are also a Jew”

    absolutely love it all watcher. thanks for all of your work on this front! The first elders’ blood will be answered by on the heads of a single generation of Jews. May that time come. They kingdom come, thy will be done. In HIS way and in HIS time!

  9. “In HIS way and in HIS time!”

    Amen bro

  10. Ryan says:

    As we watch are your eyes in Russia (Magog)?

  11. LDSDPer says:

    I am beginning to see so many schisms in the “church”. It is reminding me of Judaism.
    I don’t accept, “if you are a Mormon, you are a Jew.”

    I believe in Jesus Christ, and the Book of Mormon leads me to Him.

    I am not a Jew; I don’t want to be a Jew; I don’t respect Jews more than any other people.

    Much of what goes beyond that (the Book of Mormon) is questionable, because it is not easy to find sources; in fact, it is very difficult. Those who make the attempt (such as Daymon Smith) become targets..

    I don’t believe Daymon Smith is a super hero. I don’t believe Joseph Smith was one. I am not really even sure what a prophet is–
    and though the word is mentioned in the Book of Mormon, it is mentioned much more in the Bible.

    The one thing for which I truly appreciate Daymon Smith is his pointing out that the early saints really did not accept the Book of Mormon, but had the Bible almost as an idol. I am very familiar with the Bible; I spent years studying it. But the Book of Mormon does warn us about it. I knew that years before I read anything by Daymon Smith; he only confirms what I already knew.
    What I didn’t know, that he makes more clear, is how confused our LDS ancestors were about what they believed. I knew that, too, before Smith pointed it out, but now I really understand it.
    I guess that only those who saw the evil that was polygamy and the confusion that is the path many current LDS academics (and others) take in trying to justify it because of Joseph’s ‘sealings’ to so many people, especially women–
    can feel released from that confusion by realizing that the Book of Mormon is, as Joseph Smith said,

    “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

    Perhaps, because I had had the same basics beliefs when I began reading Smith (Daymon) I wasn’t terribly upset. I have stopped spending time confusing myself by reading Revelations and Bible commentaries and focused on the Book of Mormon. So Daymon Smith doesn’t upset me. I also don’t think it’s necessary to ‘leave’ the church, but I do think it is necessary to be wise. A person doesn’t have to lie not to say everything he/she feels/believes.
    If a person has not already dealt with what is being popularly called a ‘faith crisis’, then he/she, perhaps, might not be safe reading much of anything–
    I will continue to bear testimony of Jesus Christ and the Book of Mormon, Daymon Smith or not–
    anyone else or not–

  12. LDSDPer says:

    Referring to the above, I just realized I may have sounded flippant, if not arrogant.
    If a person has not resolved a faith crisis, perhaps he/she should remain solely with the Book of Mormon. I really mean that. My ‘faith crisis’ began decades ago, and I felt pulled to the Book of Mormon. I didn’t read anyone else, and sometimes I had to avoid conference talks, but I never stopped reading (at least daily) the Book of Mormon.
    My ancestors ‘followed’ Brigham Young, but cautiously, had little, if any, association with him–and were never ‘leaders’–
    many of them were not even polygamists, so I have a familial history of being cautious about leaders. A number of them were very fond of Joseph Smith, however.
    I believe they took the best way, in spite of all the problems the church would face and the rampant apostasy–
    Those who remained behind seem to have forgotten more about the Book of Mormon than many who went West.
    I really think that it is important for *us* to understand our culture (in and out of the church) in order to be able to find the truth.
    For this reason, even though he is only human and does not write perfectly, what Daymon Smith is trying to do can be important.
    If someone is in the middle of a ‘faith crisis’, however, as a veteran, I strongly recommend reading the Book of Mormon.
    2 Nephi 25:20 talks about the ‘serpent’ (Moses), and how the people just had to look.
    After years of reading the Book of Mormon during my crisis and watching other people struggle and not read it, I am convinced that something as simple as reading the Book of Mormon can help *us* keep perspective, even as we see our church culture crumbling.
    It’s not necessary to make a statement over the pulpit about *our* struggles; it is necessary to read the Book of Mormon.

  13. LDSDper

    You misquoted me.

    I said. “If you are a Mormon, there is a good chance you are a Jew :)”

    Being a Jew is not a choice, it has to do with heritage. It is not necessarily a bad or good thing. There are positive and negative references to the Jews in the scriptures. My statement is referring to the fact that even though there is a mixture of Jew and Gentile in the church, the narrative, as I read it implies that most are probably Jews at this point.

    I don’t really care whether you believe the statement or not if you cannot back up your beliefs with scripture.

    If you actually clicked on the link and read my responses and still feel like Daymon offer a credible characterization of the Book of Mormon, there really isn’t anything I can do or say to help you out of you current fog.

    The interpretation of the Book of Mormon that the early saints had of the Book of Mormon was light-years more accurate than the one Daymon provides. BTW the distinction between the “restoration” of the church and the “restoration” of the house of Israel and other uses of the term restoration that Daymon makes a federal case out of was fully understood by the early restoration saints.

    Daymon does have a few brilliant observations about snippets of text here and there, but his characterization of the restoration movement and his blatant denial of modern revelation is beyond wrong. It sounds like you have pretty much bought into the same general belief (which pretty much seems to have originated with DW who also pretty much rejected the fulness and just limited his belief to the BofM

    You quoted this

    I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.

    I think that many people greatly misinterpret that statement.

    In my opinion, a contextual reading of Joseph Smith’s words reveals that “Most Accurate” does not mean “most accurate doctrine” or “deeper mysteries“. He was making specific reference to ancient scriptures that had endured a translation process. He was saying it was the “most accurately translated”

    He was continuing to belabor the point that the Bible had gone through a less inspired translation process (including a some intentional tampering) and was therefore not as accurate as the Book of Mormon if one was to compare the original source with the translated source. This is because the BofM was translated by the gift and power of God

    That is the simple point being made in the first part of his statement.

    Clearly he was not saying the doctrines were of deeper significance than those found in the Bible or in modern revelation. If he had meant that, then why did he focus his sermons to the Saints 90% out of the Bible for the decade and a half following the publishing of the BofM?

    The Book of Mormon itself claims that it contains the “lesser part” and does not contain the “greater things“.

    For the most part, the Book of Mormon deals with basic tenants and precepts to enhance ones personal relationship with Christ, which is what the later part of the statement alludes to “a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book

    Again, he was not saying the Book of Mormon was the only credible scripture or that only it should be read. Each of the books of scripture have their strong points. Those wanting the mysteries or protocol for how the restored gentile church was to be conducted, or specific prophecy about the end times, etc. should have the D&C as a high priority. Those working on their relationship with Christ are best facilitated by reading the incredibly beautiful precepts about faith and charity contained in the BofM.

    According to the BofM the greater things and deeper doctrines with greater clarification would come forth in the later parts of the sealed portion at a later time. In my opinion, the D&C also contains some of the greater things with greater clarifications than the book of Mormon, ie, section 76, 84, 88, etc., etc.

    I am guessing from your remarks that you pretty much dismiss the Bible and deny much or all of modern revelation and the fulness that Joseph brought forth after translating the BofM. If this is the case, you have a rude awakening ahead of you.

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