The Curse and the Calamity- Final

Since Mrs Watcher is out of town visiting relatives, I will be alone by the campfire tonight pondering the prophetic possibilities of September and October of this year whilst waiting, watching and weeping for Zion as the feast of Trumpets is upon us.

I plan on having lots of these “Zion Watch” sessions during the next two months.

Will I be watching and weeping for Zion alone or will you be joining me in whatever part of the vineyard you find yourself in?

Phases

New moon:	12:30 Wednesday, 08 September
First quarter:	07:50 Wednesday, 15 September
Full moon:	11:17 Thursday, 23 September
Last quarter:	05:52 Friday, 01 October
New moon:	20:45 Thursday, 07 October

Full moon:

01:36 Thursday, 23 October

Although the above dates are found in a post on the internet, I have found conflicting interpretations as to whether the feast actually begins on the 8^th, 9^th or 10^th… and then of course, there is always the ominous date of September 11^th which is rooted deeply in LDS historicity and other historical events not the least of which are a) the date section 64 was given, b) the date Zion was to be redeemed by, in the 2nd watch, c) the Mountain meadows Massacre and d) the 9/11 attach of the twin towers in 2001..

But let us also not forget the significance of the two following feasts in this month and October, Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement (10 Tishri) and Sukkot or “Booths” the feast of Tabernacles.

And lastly, let us not forget the ongoing, annual prophetic significance of September 22^nd… more on that later.

This will be my third and final post having to do with, among other things, the curse that Malachi, Isaiah and other ancient prophets spoke about that I believe is associated with the global calamity mentioned in section one of the D&C and which I also believe is related to the current crisis in the gulf of Mexico.

This could be long winded so pop some corn, heat up the hot chocolate, stoke the fire and make yourself comfortable.

We live in one of the most remarkable prophetic times in the history of the world.

I believe we are not only living in the last generation spoken of by Christ in Matthew 24, but more specifically, I think we have already entered into a major seven year prophetic time sequence of the last days.

Now that most of the masses have been lulled back to sleep by the mainstream media and are under the delusion that the gulf crisis has been or is currently being resolved, this nation is set up for the great calamity mentioned in section 1 of the Doctrine and Covenant.

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword

You will recall that I quoted from and provided videos of Matthew Simmons warning about the gulf crisis in my last post.

Since then, he has died, supposedly of a heart attack ( see also this link. And also in a related topic, it is now legal for the President to have American citizens assassinated if he deems it necessary.

(Picture of the “heart attack gun” at congressional hearings. It shoots a poisonous dart into the victim without them knowing it, which mimics, or causes a heart attack and kills the victim while looking like the victim died of natural causes.)

Those of us who are tuned into alternative medias, realize that the PTB would not have orchestrated the death of Brother Matt Simmons if there was not some truth to the voice of warning that he gave concerning the desolating sickness that is in the process of coming out of the gulf.

My condolences to the family of Brother Simmons for his untimely death on August 8 2010.

Matt was a prominent of peak oil and an advocate of the policies of the Club of Rome.

Although he was part of the global elite, very good friends with the Bush family, having served as he served as energy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and was a member of the council on foreign relations, he was, nevertheless sounding the warning voice about the seriousness of the situation in the gulf.

My condolences also go to the family of Gareth Williams, A British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also known as MI6) spy who is believed by some to be part of the ‘hit team’
ordered to assassinate brother Simmons.

It is believed that Gareth had returned to London on August 11^th from the United States on a flight from Boston a little less than 36 hours after Simmons was believed to have been “murdered” in his Maine vacation home.

Gareth’s body was discovered murdered and stuffed into a sports bag in the bathtub of his flat on August 23^rd.

Some believe that Gareth was dispatched to his next assignment in the dark regions of the abyss by his counterparts from the CIA or the NSA for the deed he had done to Simmons.

Apparently the PTB were not in harmony as to whether Simmons should be silenced or not about the horrendous transgressions of BP and the serious threat to our health the gulf has become.

When secret societies are having their spy agencies assassinate members of other spy agencies controlled by sister societies, it is certainly a sign that Satan’s kingdom is divided.

The book of Mormon prophesies that at the time that the Lord God proceeds to make bare his arm in the eyes of all the nations, in bringing about his covenants and his gospel unto those who are of the house of Israel and begins to gather together his people out of obscurity and darkness for the final time, that the whore of all the earth would begin to war among themselves.

“… the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.”
1 Ne. 22: 13-14

Although the literal fulfillment of the above prophecy is yet a future event, the contention and division among Satan’s minions is increasing.

The long term effects of the gulf stream upon the bloodstream are as yet unknown to the majority of the sleeping American people.

According to project Impact, “the BP oil disaster will go down in history as one of the biggest catastrophies this planet has ever seen”

The media cover up of this amazing global crisis is not limited to the news media, ecosystem biologist Linda Hooper-Bui describes how Obama administration and BP lawyers are making independent scientific analysis of the Gulf region an impossibility.

From crabs filled with black substances, to “Tilt” the Mysterious Flu like illness and the The blue plague the Oil spill is an ongoing epidemic. (see also Steven Seagal speaks out against Oil Companies)

Other articles of interest may be found here.

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[link to www.nature.com]
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How the gulf disaster could kill millions

One of the fascinating curiosities of the LDS foundation movement is how Moroni met with Joseph Smith year after year on September 22^nd despite the fact that that particular date did not always fall mark the feast of trumpets in following years.

That begs the question of whether the start of the Marvelous Work will be marked by the New Moon and the actual feast of trumpets or if it will be marked by the annual trigger date of September 22^nd which seems to be linked with the fall, autumnal equinox (which falls on September 22 this year according to one site and September 23 according to another site)

I pose this question because the Marvelous Work and a Wonder is in fact a continuation or outgrowth of the “foundation of the Marvelous Work” that was laid in the 1800’s.

In other words, the LDS foundation movement represented the “dispensation of the last days” or “last time(s)” in the which is the “dispensation of the fullness of times”. D&C 112: 30

The point I am making is that even though the dispensation of the last times is not synonymous with the dispensation of the fullness of times, it contains it. It continues on even when the fulness of times comes in.

It is therefore not inconceivable that the feast of Trumpets trigger point was fulfilled during the foundation movement and the birthing of the fullness of times could be marked by the annual marker of September 22^nd as noted and kept by Moroni.

Just a possibility… something to ponder.

The Book of Mormon, September 22^nd and the Feast of Trumpets

As you know, Joseph Smith received the golden plates on the Israelite Day of Remembrance called Rosh ha-Shanah.

Known as the Feast of Trumpets which is followed in quick succession by the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles.

Some excellent articles regarding these feasts have been written by Lenet Hadley Read and John Pratt…

I strongly suggest you review them again. (keep in mind that neither of them seem to comprehend the doctrine of the third watch and therefore, their articles only provide a portion of the big picture, although, to Pratt’s credit, he does acknowledge that the coming forth of additional plates in the future plays an important event in all of this.)

For context of what I am going to speak about in this post I want to provide a brief summary of what the feast of trumpets represents and its interrelationship with the coming forth and translation of the unsealed portion of the golden plates during the start of the LDS foundation movement as well as its interrelationship with the coming forth of the rest of the ancient records when the Marvelous Work and a Wonder begins.

According to biblical references, Jewish tradition and yours truly, these three successive prophetic Jewish feasts represent-

The day the trumpet blasts signaling that God is once again speaking to his prophets
The day the voice of warning goes forth for Israel to repent
The sound of the gospel goes forth as with the sound of the trump
The day God remembers his covenants with Israel
The day God begins the process of gathering his people and bringing them out of exile
The day the final time of harvest begins

The first appearance of Moroni to the prophet Joseph occurred on the evening of September 21-22 1823 and Moroni’s visit was repeated every following year until the plates were received in September of 1827.

You probably already knew that.

But did you know that after the prophet Joseph sinned by allowing Martin Harris to take some of the translation manuscript, the plates were taken from him for a time and the angel Moroni told Joseph that he would not get them back until September 22 1828?

Here is his account of that conversation with the angel.’

“On leaving you, said Joseph, I returned immediately home. Soon after my arrival I commenced humbling myself in mighty prayer before the Lord, and, as I was pouring out my soul in supplication to God, that if possible I might obtain mercy at his hands and be forgiven of all that I had done contrary to his will, an angel stood before me, and answered me saying, that I had sinned in delivering the manuscript into the hands of a wicked man, and , as I had ventured to become responsible for his faithfulness, I would of necessity have to suffer the consequence of his indiscretion, and I must now give up the Urim and Thummim into his (the angels) hands.

This I did as I was directed and as I handed them to him, he remarked, If you are very humble and penitent, it may be you will receive them again; if so, it will be on the twenty-second of next September.”

I find this truly amazing.

Even the return of the Urim and Thummin for the purpose of resuming the work of translation, six years after the first visit from the angel Moroni had to take place on the annual date which began on a holy Jewish feast day.

We know however that time periods of prophet events often take place in 3 ½ and 7 year cycles. For that reason, it is not unlikely that on September 22^nd one year after Joseph was able to start translating again, that something profound might have taken place on that sacred date to bring the seven year cycles to completion.. and sure enough, we find that on September 22^nd 1830, Joseph Smith and six elders were promised that they would be the ones to declare the gospel and gather Gods people at the time that the voice of the trump takes place, and the other things that the feast of trumpets represents. (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/7#7 )

It has been observed that the day on which the angel Moroni delivered the plates to Joseph Smith, Sat 22 Sep 1827, occurred on the Hebrew Feast of Trumpets, also called Rosh Hashanah (1 Tishri).^[9] That timing seems significant because of the symbolism. According to Hebrew tradition, trumpets is the annual Judgment Day on which God judges each person for deeds of the last year and current state of righteousness. It is a day of warning and calling to repentance, because one then has nine days to repent before the judgment is finalized on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement (10 Tishri) which is followed by Sukkot or “Booths” the feast of Tabernacles.

Three Seven Year Prophetic Time sequences

Amazing…

I love seeing the signature of God in the exactness of his date sequences pertaining to his dealings with his people.

We know of events that took place on every annual date except the fifth year and also the midpoint date.

I have not taken the time to research these dates yet.

But lets not stop there.

Is it possible that another seven year sequence follows that one?

In section 29, given September of 1830, the Lord warns Joseph to “remember to sin no more, lest perils shall come upon you“.

Sure enough, seven years later in September of 1837 Joseph and his brethren find themselves in peril as a result of the failed Kirtland Safety Society. They are forced to flee Kirtland for their safety, ending the Kirtland era of the church and beginning the Far West era.

Of course, significant events undoubtedly continued to happen each year during the course of the 2^nd seven year cycle and possibly on the 3 ½ year midpoint as well.

I haven’t taken the time to research and document each of those dates either, although we have already reviewed, in previous posts, some of the significant events that happened on or within a week or two of these prophetic trigger dates, including section 84 which is also addressed to seven elders, just as section 29 was. It also promises them that God will use them to topple Babylon.

So… If indeed a second seven year prophetic cycle followed the first one, is it possible that a third set followed the second?

What exactly happens seven years from the end of the 3^nd seven year cycle?

If we go seven years from the perilous flight from Kirtland, it takes us to just a few months after the martyrdom and into the middle of the succession debate.

Although I have not taken the time to research this final date and many of the other ones contained in the seven year period, it may be possible that the “set time” when the temple needed to be completed before the church was rejected with their dead was on that date, bringing the ominous warning of God contained in section 124 into fulfillment.

Again, I have not done any extensive research to see what I can dig up on the sequence of trigger dates that take place between during this seven year period not can I provide hard documentation to prove that the climax of the seven year period does in fact fall on the acceptable time by which the temple was to be complete.

I am simply looking for trends and types and making speculations.

What is a “Sufficient Time”

Again, I don’t know for sure what is significant about the trigger date of September 22^nd 1844 but I have a hunch it marked the completion of the SUFFICIENT TIME that God gave the Saints to build the temple.

You will recall that the Lord announce to the Saints that the fullness of the priesthood had been lost and he gave them a mandate to build a temple with a baptismal font for doing baptisms for the dead that would make possible the restoration of the fullness of the priesthood.

He also gave them a warning to build the temple within a certain predetermined time, during which baptisms for the dead outside of the temple would be allowed and said that the consequences of not doing building the temple within the sufficient time would result in the saints being rejected as a church with their dead.

“…build a house to my name, for the Most High to dwell therein.

28 For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood.

29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—

30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.

31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me.

32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.

33 For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;

34 For therein are the keys of the holy priesthood ordained, that you may receive honor and glory.

35 And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord. (section 124 Jan 19, 1841)

From the above passages we learn the following things

The Saints are commanded to build a NEW temple in Nauvoo
The FULNESS OF THE PRIESTHOOD had been lost
The completion of the temple would restore the FULNESS OF THE PRIESTHOOD
The new temple would enable the holy work of baptisms for the dead to continue
The temple must be completed within a SUFFICIENT TIME
Baptisms for the dead were allowed outside the temple during the SUFFICIENT TIME
If the temple was not finished within a SUFFICIENT TIME, THE CHURCH WOULD BE REJECTED WITH ITS DEAD!

I am going to suggest that the SUFFICIENT TIME period mentioned by the Lord in section 124 ended on the trigger date of September 22 1844. I believe that is when the “Acceptable Time of the Lord” would have been announced by Rigdon had the Saints repented and obeyed the commandments.

It is when the MARVELOUS WORK AND A WONDER and the DISPENSATION OF THE FULNESS OF TIMES was to officially begin.

That would make perfect sense for that third seven year sequence to end at the opening of the Marvelous Work and a Wonder, subject to the completion of the temple… when additional records were to come forth and the proclamation would go forth to the kings and authorities of the earth, setting the stage for things..

Now I realize that this contradicts what Lyman Wight said. He said that the sufficient time ended in October of 1841 when Joseph Smith announced that the Lord would no longer accept baptisms for the dead outside of the temple.

HOWEVER let me explain why I think there is some confusion on this point.

First, lets look at the historical record from the official history of the church.

As shown from the revelation, the Lord had said that baptisms for the dead would be allowed outside until the sufficient time for the temple to be completed was finished.

You note from the following passages from the history of the Church and the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith that the Prophet publicly declared that baptisms for the dead would no longer be allowed –

“President Smith then announced; “there shall be no more baptism fo the dead, until the ordinance can be attended to in the Lord’s house; and the Church shall not hold another General Conference, until they can meet in said house. FOR THUS SAITHT HE LORD!” (October 3, 1841 DHC 4:424-6)

Ok… I realize it looks rather ominous and it could imply that the sufficient time had elapsed.

The Lord states very clearly in section 124, in January 19 1841 that baptisms for the dead can only be done outside the temple until it is completed… then, in a public sermon Joseph Smith says “thus saith the Lord…” the Lord will no longer accept baptisms for the dead until the they can be performed in the temple.

That certainly looks as if the Saints had failed to complete the temple within the SUFFICIENT TIME that the Lord had allotted.

The following declaration of Lyman Wight (someone I think very highly of) seems to agree with the above interpretation of the events-

“… We were to have a sufficient time to build that house, during which time our baptisms for our dead should be acceptable in the river. If we did not build within this time we were to be rejected as a church, we and our dead together. Both the temple and baptizing went very leisurely, till the temple was somewhere in building the second story, when Bro. Joseph from the stand announced the alarming declaration that baptism for our dead was no longer acceptable in the river. As much to say the time for building the temple had passed by, and both we and our dead were rejected together..”

“The church now stands rejected together with their dead. The church being rejected now stands alienated from her God in every sense of the word.” (ref )

Lyman Wight made the observation in a letter he wrote in 1851, several years after the martyrdom, as he was looking back retrospectively to try and figure out when things came to an end.

While I agree with Lyman that the refusal by the Lord to accept baptisms for the dead is an ominous omen that potentially implies that God was not happy with the Saints and possibly and an alienation between the Saints and God, I am not sure about his assumption that the predetermined time period for the completion of the temple had fully lapsed.

Here are the reasons I partially disagree with Lyman’s assessment of the situation.

First of all, Joseph Smith continued to admonish the Saints to keep working on the temple which they did, however leisurely, up until his death. If the Lord had revealed to Joseph that the Saints could no longer perform baptisms for the dead, would he have not revealed that they had been rejected with their dead and to stop working on the temple altogether in the same revelation? And would it not be announced in the same sermon?

It seems inconsistent for the prophet to stop the baptisms and yet continue to admonish the Saints to build the temple if they had been completely rejected.

In fact here is what Joseph said in late 1842 about a year after he declared that the Lord would no longer allow baptisms for the dead in the river-

“The building of the Temple of the Lord in the city of Nauvoo, is occupying the first place in the exertions and prayers of many of the Saints at the present time, knowing, as they do, that if this building is not completed speedily, “we shall be rejected as a Church with our dead;” for the Lord our God hath spoken it.” (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols., introduction and notes by B. H. Roberts [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1932-1951], 4: 472.)

Clearly Joseph and the Saints were still taking the warning from God seriously and were concerned about it.

Joseph was clearly still admonishing the Saints to continue on the temple long after he informed them that their baptisms for the dead in the river were not longer acceptable.

Secondly, The laying of the cornerstone for the temple did not even take place until April 6^th 1841.

That means that they had only been working on the temple about six months until the ominous declaration from the Lord took place.

I don’t hardly think that 6 months is a reasonable or sufficient time period in which to build such an edifice.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the Lord in his generosity and mercy would only give them six months time to accomplish such a task. It took three years to build the Kirtland Temple and seven years for Solomon to build that temple!

Obviously, the church membership was much smaller in Kirtland, but that temple was not as big a project as the Nauvoo Temple.

Keep in mind also that Joseph had let the Saints know that both the temple and the Nauvoo House had to BOTH be finished expeditiously according to Josephs interpretation of the revelation and/or additional revelation that he received!

“The building of the Nauvoo House is just as sacred in my view as the Temple. I want to the Nauvoo House built; It must be built. Our salvation depends on it.” (Restoring the Joseph Smith discourses ( Words of Joseph Smith ) pg 179-88)

“… and the first great object before us, and the Saints generally, is to help forward the completion of the Temple and the Nauvoo House- buildings which are now in progress according the revelations, and which must be completed to secure the salvation of the church in the last days…” (HC 4:449

They were currently working on the second floor of the building at that time of the announcement and while it may be true that they could have been working harder and faster than they did, I am not convinced that they could have had it completely finished in that amount of time without supernatural help.

I think the reason that the Saints had become alienated from God and prevented from doing baptisms for the dead, is because of something else.

In section 124 God utters the following prophecy-

“ 47 AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS that if you build a house unto my name, and do not do the things that I say, I will not perform the oath which I make unto you, neither fulfil the promises which ye expect at my hands, saith the Lord.

48 For instead of blessings, ye, by your own works, bring cursings, wrath, indignation, and judgments upon your own heads, by your follies, and by all your abominations, which you practise before me, saith the Lord.”

I think the above prophecy tells the real story.

It appears to be stating that because of abominations practiced among the Saints between January of 1841 , when the revelation was given and October of 1841 , when the announcement was made, the Saints had brought a cursing upon their own heads and God was no longer allowing them to resume an ordinance that pertains to the dispensation of the fullness of times that the Saints were attempting to usher in…

Hence, Lyman was right in his observation that God was angry with the Saints and that their actions had been cursed, however I believe it was related to the practice of abominations, not the failure to complete the temple in the appointed time.

I believe God, in his great mercy continued laboring with the Saints for a while after that point in time and would have allowed them to complete the temple and usher in the dispensation of the fullness of times and the marvelous work and a wonder had they repented of their abominations and finished the temple by the sufficient period of time which had been allotted.

Which I believe was on or about September 22 1844 or possibly September 11 1844 (September 11^th had been the appointed time in Kirtland to redeem Zion).

If indeed the appointed time for the Marvelous Work to begin had been September 11^th or 22^nd 1844, that would have given the Saints over three years to complete the temple and the Nauvoo house which would have been sufficient time based on how much they accomplished during the first six months, had they been united striving in the effort with all of their might and all of their resources.

Please don’t get me wrong.

I am not trying to minimize the serious consequences of not finishing the temple. Clearly, it was not ever finished in that generation despite what LDS apologists and historical revisionists say.

And regardless of what the actual “sufficient time” frame was, the church obviously failed to finish and dedicate the temple by the required date which resulted in the rejection of the church with their dead.

My point is simply that I believe the sufficient time period was not six months ending in October of 1841, it was obviously at least a few years later.

And I am speculating that it possibly came to an end on September 22nd 1844.

I believe the reason the Lord rejected baptisms for the dead in the river had to do with the abominations being practiced in Nauvoo.

I would elaborate on what I think those abominations were, but I have beat that poor horse sufficiently in previous posts.

The ultimate failure to complete the temple in that generation would result in the Saints having to flee from Nauvoo even though the Lord had promised that the Saints “would not be moved out of their place” if they would “hearken unto my voice..”

Interestingly, in a sermon given in March of 1841 Joseph prophesied that the Saints would not give heed and hearken to the voice of God and that they would be scattered and driven from Nauvoo.. unable to receive again the kingdom of God and its POWER until the Ancient of Days returns-

“I prophesy that the day will come when you will say, ‘Oh that we had given heed… the people will not hearken nor hear and bondage, death and destruction are close at our heels. The kingdom will not be broken up but we shall be scattered and driven, gathered again & then dispersed, reestablished & driven abroad and so on until the Ancient of day shall sit and the kingdom and power thereof shall be given to the Saints and they shall possess it forever and ever…” Words of Joseph Smith pg 67

But I digress…

Again, the main point I want to make is simply that it appears that there may have been three consecutive prophetic seven year sequences during the LDS foundation movement, the last of the three may very probably ended on September 22^nd 1844.

You might be wondering why these past time sequences are of worth to us. And you are probably really wondering what any of this has to do with the current crises in the gulf.

I’ll address this later in this post… be patient.

Using the Prophetic Past to Understand the Prophetic Future
Typological Templates

So, why is the feast of trumpets and these three consecutive seven years cycles of prophecy that uses the feast of trumpets trigger dates important to us who are living four generations later?

Because God repeatedly warned the Saints that his judgments would fall on the wicked of the 3^rd and 4^th generation and these seven year cycles may possibly provide us with a typological template by which to identify when the final feast of trumpets takes place, heralding the start of the Marvelous Work and a Wonder!

I have blogged several times about the 400 year prophesy in Genesis and how I believe the literal fulfillment had to do with the Israelite pilgrims from England that landed on the shores of America and 1607, planted the cross in this land and dedicated it to Jesus Christ.

Indeed latter day Israel has been wondering in this strange new promised land for 400 years up until 2007.

Is it possible that the year 2007 is the trigger date for beginning a seven year prophetic time sequence?

Is it a coincidence that 2007 was a Sabbatical Year in the Jewish Calendar and that a second Sabbatical year began in September of 2008.

After the completion of the seven year cycle beginning in 2007, the next Sabbatical Year is in 2014/15 according to some scholars.

Many prophecy scholars agree that the bible speaks of a seven year period of prophecy in the end times which is divided into two 3 ½ year periods, yet no one seems to be able to identify exactly when this seven year cycle begins.

There is no shortage of speculation on when the seven year prophetic cycle begins and ends.

Pastor Mark Biltz is a fascinating prophecy scholar that relies heavily on the feasts of Israel in interpreting the latter day signs of the times as well as the times of the signs… he has pointed out that Daniel’s seventieth week will be a seven-year Sabbatical cycle. Students of biblical prophecy have long compared Daniel’s seventieth week with the Tribulation Period as laid out in the book of Revelation.

Intrigued with the Scriptures that repeat over and over again that our Savior’s Second Coming will be heralded with signs in the heavens, in which the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, Pastor Mark Biltz went on the Internet, to a U.S. Government web site, to see if he could find any solar or lunar eclipses over the next few years that might be significant.

To his surprise, he found four lunar eclipses and two solar eclipses in the Sabbatical Year of 2014 and 2015. Also, he noticed that they all appear on Jewish Holy Days!

Lunar Eclipses

According the Biltz, the four lunar eclipses will occur on:

Passover, April 15, 2014
The Feast of Tabernacles, October 8, 2014
Passover, April 4, 2015 and
The Feast of Tabernacles, September 28, 2015

This is most unusual. It is a rare occurrence for four lunar cycles to happen on successive Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) observances.

It will not happen again for hundreds of years.

Identifying the Seven year Prophetic Sequence

Although it is possible that amazing things will happen on the above dates, my immediate concern has to do with identifying the beginning of the last seven year cycle. By doing so, I can identify the midpoint of that cycle which very possibly marks a major prophetic event as well as identifying the general time frame in which the Marvelous Work and a Wonder begins.

I have speculated for some time that the seven year prophecy cycle began immediately after the 400 years of the Genesis prophecy came to its completion, but I have not been able to find any hard scriptural evidence to back that feeling up… until now.

The prophetic time line I am about to present to you is based on an incredible prophecy in the controversial Book of Joseph.

I’ll get to that prophecy in a minute but first, a little context to help you see why the prophecy in the Book of Joseph provides may provide a compelling key to the time line…

Documenting the historical fact that 2007 marked the beginning of the current global financial meltdown, here is what Wikipedia has to say on the topic-

Financial crisis of 2007–2010

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The financial crisis of 2007 to the present is a crisis triggered by a liquidity shortfall in the United States banking system caused by the overvaluation of assets.^[1] It has resulted in the collapse of large financial institutions, the bailout of banks by national governments and downturns in stock markets around the world. In many areas, the housing market has also suffered, resulting in numerous evictions, foreclosures and prolonged vacancies. It is considered by many economists to be the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.^[2] It contributed to the failure of key businesses, declines in consumer wealth estimated in the trillions of U.S. dollars, substantial financial commitments incurred by governments, and a significant decline in economic activity.^[3] Many causes have been suggested, with varying weight assigned by experts.^[4] Both market-based and regulatory solutions have been implemented or are under consideration,^[5] while significant risks remain for the world economy over the 2010–2011 periods.^[6]

The collapse of a global housing bubble, which peaked in the U.S. in 2006, caused the values of securities tied to real estate pricing to plummet thereafter, damaging financial institutions globally.^[7] Questions regarding bank solvency, declines in credit availability, and damaged investor confidence had an impact on global stock markets, where securities suffered large losses during late 2008 and early 2009. Economies worldwide slowed during this period as credit tightened and international trade declined.^[8] Critics argued that credit rating agencies and investors failed to accurately price the risk involved with mortgage-related financial products, and that governments did not adjust their regulatory practices to address 21st century financial markets.^[9] Governments and central banks responded with unprecedented fiscal stimulus, monetary policy expansion, and institutional bailouts. (click here for the rest of the article)”

The best predictor of the future is the past

As you can see, it is a commonly accepted fact that the global financial crisis began in 2007.

Interestingly, the first year of the crisis culminated a week later in the week of September. 15-22, 2008 beginning with Lehman Brothers filing for bankruptcy and culminating on September 29, 2008 which was on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, also known as the Jewish New Year or The Feast of Trumpets.

“Because of this, I found it very much intriguing when the Dow Jones Industrial Average Index (DJIA being the most watched index in the U.S.A.) closed down -777.68 (and when rounded to the nearest tenth, this becomes 777.7). Now, this could be brushed on off as just merely a coincidence if it wasn’t for the fact that this -777.7 drop occured on the Feast of Trumpets. Not only this though, but what was not discussed in the recent write-up on GLP was the fact that this -777.68 drop made the DJIA @ 10,365.45. The 365 as the base number is intriguing because 365 is Days per Year. Now, this could be signalling a year(s) for the Gregorian calendar or for the Jewish calendar. For the Jewish calendar, this would be on a future Feast of Trumpets, such as like on 9/9/2010.”

The Plundering of the nations of the World

Although it is common knowledge that the global meltdown began in 2007, what many people don’t understand is that the melt down does not simply represent the loss of wealth, it represents the transfer of wealth!

You may be shocked to find out that during the last three years the wealthy elite have been robbing the nation of America and all of the nations of the world. They have been transferring wealth from the masses to themselves by manipulating currencies and the stock market and by using sophisticated investment vehicles.

The largest crime in the history of the world has been taking place during the last three years from 2007 to 2010.

Some of the wealthy elite have doubled their fortunes annually since the global financial crises began.

If you know what is going to happen before it happens, it is not hard to make the right investments and maneuvers and to accumulate an obscene amount of wealth.

Here is a portion of a commentary on the internet regarding this amazing event that we are currently witnessing by an astute person that recognizes this event in biblical prophecy.

The author notes that …”our coffers have been raided and our treasury has been plundered” and he associates it with the alarming prophecy in Isaiah 10 wherein Isaiah foresaw that America would have their treasures robbed like someone taking the eggs from a nest without moving the wing of the sleeping bird.

SURPRISE!!! During last year’s period of “economic crisis” the richest individuals of the world (it’s “Billionaires”), somehow, statistically, managed to become 50% more wealthy–while the Common Man lost his job and subsequently his home…

…this, in itself, is great cause for Revolution against the current World system–but we just sit on our intellectually lazy ars and abide by the old cliche’;–“Oh well, the Rich get Richer”–this statistic of 2009’s results makes my case here highly plausible within itself; in the midst of a terrible economic crisis the majority became less wealthy while the most wealthy increased their wealth by 50%–might they be the true “ruling portion of the community“??

…our coffers have been raided and our treasury has been plundered and now the (puppet-entity)Fed is considering taking our IRA’s and 401K’s and converting them–via legislation–into US Treasury bond backed assets–which means they might end up being worth less than toilet paper after their true value has been likewise transferred into pockets of the already most wealthy…

And you think that these things have not been foreseen!?!–“For he says, “By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds (=boundaries=Globalism) of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man; and my hand has found as a nest the riches of the people; and as one gathers eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped?” (Isaiah 10:13,14)… btw According to the Associated Press, experts believe that 2009 saw the largest single year increase in the U.S. poverty rate since the U.S. government began calculating poverty figures back in 1959 and yet, The 50 wealthiest members of Congress saw their collective fortunes increase from 85.1 million dollars to $1.4 billion in 2009.

Isaiah informs us that the reason that this great nation of America is being robbed and spoiled by the elite banksters is because this nation was not obedient to his law

Isaiah notes that in the last days, Gods people are robbed and spoiled because they were not obedient to the law!

This is a people robbed and spoiled

17 ¶ They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

19 For I will send my servant unto those who are blind

20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. (Isa 42)

Isaiah speaks of a time right before he destroys the wicked when the nation is robbed of its riches”

12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.

13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:

14 And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.

15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood. (Isa 10)

“The Wicked shall be Exceedingly Prosperous Seven Years”

Ok, having reviewed that the 400 year prophesy came to an end in 2007 and that 2007 was the beginning of the global financial meltdown as well as the global plundering of the nations by the wealthy elite, we are now ready to review the amazing prophecy in the Book of Joseph.

Remember, the huge increase in wealth by the wealthy began in 2007.

Here is what the Book of Joseph has to say-

2:10 For thou hast dealt deceitfully with Jacob. And hast made him serve thee unjustly seven years. And know thou this: that the Lord shall rescue the oppressed and judge the unjust in due season, to reward the righteous and to destroy the wicked.
2:11 Yea, the righteous shall inherit the wealth of the wicked and the fatness of all the earth: for the earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof.
2:12 The wicked shall prosper for a season, howbeit the Lord keepeth his eye on the righteous and on the wicked, and shall judge them in the time which he hath appointed for his own purpose.

I find the above prophecy in the Book of Joseph to be astounding.

It would appear, if this book is a credible and authentic translation of the words of Joseph of Egypt, and if the seven years of increased wealth of the wealthy is indeed referring to the beginning in 2007, that at the end of the seven year period, the Lords wrath will descend on the wicked!

That would seem to correspond with the Passover, April 4, 2015 and The Feast of Tabernacles, September 28, 2015 as pointed out by Paster Biltz.

When does the Marvelous Work Begin?

(the above speculative time line assumes that the beginning of the global financial crisis is associated with the feast of trumpets in September rather than the feast of Passover in April.)

Again, I am not as interested in the latter part of the seven year prophecy and the wrath of God that descends on the wicked at the completion of the seven years as I am with identifying the beginning, and midpoint of the seven years because that is where we appear to be right now!

If in fact the seven year time period began in 2007 at the close of the 400 year prophecy, they likely began in April or September of 2007 since those are the major prophetic trigger points of the year in which the ancient feasts of Israel and the LDS general conferences are held to this very day.

If in fact the seven year prophetic time period began in 2007… then the midpoint of the two 3 ½ year periods is upon us very soon!

If the time period began in April, then this October marks the midpoint. If it began in October of 2007, then the midpoint begins in April of 2011.

Either way, the midpoint is very close, within 2 to 8 months.

I believe that the midpoint very possibly marks the beginning of one or both of the 3 ½ year prophetic events mentioned by John the Revelator in the Book of Revelation.

If that is the case, then God needs to REMEMBER HIS COVENANT and send his servants to raise the warning voice and declare the gospel with the sound of a trump BEFORE the midpoint in October of 2010 or April of 2011!

That would mean that the marvelous Work and a Wonder and the dispensation of the fullness of times would be ushered in VERY SOON!

By the way, the seven year prophecy in the book of Joseph seems to be typological of the seven years of famine that Joseph of Egypt was instrumental in gathering wheat into the storehouses, for it mentions that event in the Book as well.

“The dream hath troubled me that sleep is fled far away from me; and I lay troubled on my bed. Therefore I pray thee, Joseph, shew me the meaning thereof, that I may have peace.
7:9 And Joseph, said, may peace be unto thee, O king. Thus saith the Lord who is the Most High God over all the earth:
7:10 It shall come to pass, there shall be seven years of bounteous harvest. And after the seven years are passed, a fearsome woe shall overtake the land.(Gen 41:26-30)
7:11 And Joseph fell on his face before Pharoah and cried, after the seven years of bounteous harvest are passed, there shall be seven years of famine; yea, even a sore famine which hath not ever been in Egypt nor in all the earth.
7:12 Thus saith the Most High God, take of thy bounteous harvest and lay up unto the seven years of famine, and the life of thee and those of thy kingdom shall not utterly perish.Gen 41:36)
7:13 And if thou heedest not, thy people shall become a great abborance unto the whole earth. There shall be death of man and beast such as there has never been on the face of the whole earth.
7:14 And so Pharoah took his seal and placed it upon Joseph.(Gen 41:42)
7:15 And there was not anyone in the land of Egypt who was greater than Joseph save Pharoah. Thus did the Lord bless Joseph.”

With that in mind, we shall now consider a prophecy found in the patriarchal blessing that Oliver Cowdery gave to Joseph Smith–

10. “The Lord do thee good, and bring peace and blessings among thy house as he brought them upon the house of Joseph the Seer, who was raised up of a choice vine from the stem of Jacob through the root of Joseph, even that Joseph who was separated from his brethren;”
11. For like Joseph of old shall he be; he shall save the just from desolation by the wise counsel of the Almighty;
12. For by his direction shall they gather into store houses and barns till they overflow with the richness of the fruit of the harvest;
13. And by this means shall the just be saved from famine, while the nations of the wicked are distressed and faint.
14. In due time shall he go forth toward the north, and by the power of his word shall the deep begin to give way; and the ice melt before the Sun.
15. By the keys of the kingdom shall he lead Israel into the land of Zion, while the house of Jacob shouts in the dance and in the song-

Realizing that many people would doubt this patriarchal blessing Oliver made the following statement;

“And accordingly I besought the Lord with prayer and fasting, who opened the heavens upon me, And thus, while in the heavenly vision, I wrote the following blessing, which is a part of that which was shown and declared should come upon my brother. Therefore, let no one doubt of their correctness and truth, for they will verily be fulfilled.” (signed) Oliver Cowdery.”

Unbe-freakin-believable!

BTW…. Want to guess what date Oliver gave that patriarchal blessing to Joseph?

You guessed it.. it was on September 22^nd.

Oliver gave Joseph Smith that patriarchal blessing on September 22, 1835 on one of the key dates of the second seven year cycle of the foundation movement!

It was interesting timing because the 3 ½ years during which the fullness of the gospel was ultimately rejected had just expired in late 1834 and so the Lord was providing comfort by foretelling that Joseph would be returning during the 3^rd watch to make preparations for the elect during the time of tribulation and famine.

So… if the past provides keys to the future and if the prophecy in the book of Joseph is authentic, this September could be a very significant prophetic time period… and if not this September, then possibly the next one.. or the next… LOL!

Now…

Please understand…

I am not claiming to be a prophet.

I have not been visited by an angel.

I have not had a vision or a dream.

I have not had the heavens open and the voice of God speak to me.

I am simply observing a few current historical facts in the context of an obscure prophecy from an apocryphal ancient document that very few people believe is authentic.

In short, my observation is total speculation by someone who is simply watching for the preparatory events that precede the Saviors return as a thief in the night, followed by his return in glory….

Those preparatory events have to do with Father Adam and the first laborers of the last kingdom returning to the vineyard to prepare us for the coming of the Lord.

I suspect that you are still wondering what in the world the feast of trumpets and any of this time line stuff has to do with the crisis in the gulf and the curse that ancient prophets have spoken about.

Please… BE PATIENT!

The Servant Returns with a Whirlwind and a Destroying Storm

If in fact the seven year period during which the wealthy elite become exceedingly richer did in fact begin in 2007 and if the midpoint of that seven year period is coming up shortly….And If the Servants much return before the midpoint…..And if they return in September, during the feast of trumpets…

Then we know, according to modern revelation that there is going to be a great whirlwind at the time of the servants return.

“Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.” (D&C 112: 24)

It is only fitting that the latter day Elijah would return to the earth with a whirlwind just as the ancient Elijah was carried away into the heavens in a whirlwind.

We also know according to Isaiah that his return is accompanied by a destroying storm.

“Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.”

Jeremiah calls it a destroying wind….

“Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;

2 And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about.

3 Against him that bendeth let the archer bend his bow, and against him that lifteth himself up in his brigandine: and spare ye not her young men; destroy ye utterly all her host.

4 Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans, and they that are thrust through in her streets.

5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the Lord of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel.

6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the Lord’s vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord’s hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.”

This destroying storm that Gods servant brings with him appears to bring a desolating sickness that will empty the land along with the other natural disasters and war that take place.

With this in mind, brother Simmons and others have warned that a hurricane could carry the toxic substances contained in the gulf across many parts of America which would cause a desolating sickness to cover the land!

THAT’S WHAT THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS AND THE SEVEN YEAR PROPHETIC TIME SEQUENCE HAS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT GULF CRISES WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CURSE THAT ISAIAH AND OTHER ANCIENT PROPHETS HAVE PROPHESIED OF.

So..

Is the trump is going to sound this September?

I don’t know.

Is the destroying storm coming off of the gulf going to materialize this September?

I don’t know.

Is the One Mighty and Strong and his fellow laborers going to return this September to raise the warning voice, declare the gospel as with (and at the time of) the sound of a trump?

I don’t know.

Am I going to be watching for it?

Yep

Cuz that’s what I do.

PS for those interested, I have posted the entire Book of Joseph below with highlighting in places I thought were extremely significant. Also contained is some background info on this document of questionable origin.

“Origin of the “Record of Abraham and Joseph”
From: The Personal History of a Modern Prophet
By Joseph Smith, Jr.

“The public mind has been excited of late, by reports which have been circulated concerning certain Egyptian mummies and ancient records, which were purchased by certain gentlemen of Kirtland, last July. It has been said that the purchasers of these antiquities pretend they have the bodies of Abraham, Abimelech (the king of the Philistines), Joseph, who was sold into Egypt, & c., & c., for the purpose of attracting the attention of the multitude, and gulling the unwary; which is utterly false. Who these ancient inhabitants of Egypt were, I do not at present say. Abraham was buried on his own possession “in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron, the son of Zohah, the Hittite, which is before Mamre,” (Genesis 49:29-31) which he purchased of the sons of Heth. Abimelech lived in the same country, and for aught we know, died there; and the children of Israel carried Joseph’s bones from Egypt (Genesis 50:25),when they went out under Moses; consequently, these could not have been found in Egypt, in the nineteenth century. The record of Abraham and Joseph, found with the mummies, is beautifully written on papyrus, with black, and a small part red, ink or paint, in perfect preservation. The characters are such as you find upon the coffins of mummies—hieroglyphics, etc.; with many characters of letters like the present (though probably not quite so square) form of the Hebrew without points.

The records were obtained from one of the catacombs in Egypt, near the place where once stood the renowned city of Thebes, by the celebrated French traveler, Antonio Sebolo, in the year 1831. He procured license from Mehemet Mi, then Viceroy of Egypt, under the protection of Chevalier Drovetti, the French Consul, in the year 1828, and employed four hundred and thirty-three men, four months and two days (if I understand correctly)—Egyptian or Turkish soldiers, at from four to six cents per diem, each man.
He entered the catacomb June 7, 1831, and obtained eleven mummies. There were several hundred mummies in the same catacomb; about one hundred embalmed after the first order, and placed in niches, and two or three hundred after the second and third orders, and laid upon the floor or bottom of the grand cavity. The two last orders of embalmed were so decayed, that they could not be removed, and only eleven of the first, found in the niches.

On his way from Alexandria to Paris, he put in at Trieste, and, after ten days’ illness, expired. This was in the year 1832. Previous to his decease, he made a will of the whole, to Mr. Michael H. Chandler, (then in Philadelphia, Pa.,) his nephew, whom he supposed to be in Ireland. Accordingly, the whole were sent to Dublin, and Mr. Chandler’s friends ordered them to New York, where they were received at the Custom House, in the winter or spring of 1833. In April, of the same year, Mr. Chandler paid the duties and took possession of his mummies.

Up to this time, they had not been taken out of the coffins, nor the coffins opened. On opening the coffins, he discovered that in connection with two of the bodies, was something rolled up with the same kind of linen, saturated with the same bitumen, which, when examined, proved to be two rolls of papyrus, previously mentioned. Two or three other small pieces of papyrus, with astronomical calculations, epitaphs, &c., were found with others of the mummies. When Mr. Chandler discovered that there was something with the mummies, he supposed or hoped it might be some diamonds or valuable metal, and was no little chagrined when he saw his disappointment.

“He was immediately told, while yet in the custom house, that there was no man in that city who could translate his roll: but was referred, by the same gentleman, (a stranger,) to Mr. Joseph Smith, Jun., who, continued he, possesses some kind of power or gifts, by which he had previously translated similar characters.”

I was then unknown to Mr. Chandler, neither did he know that such a book or work as the record of the Nephites, had been brought before the public. From New York, he took his collection on to Philadelphia, where he obtained the certificate of the learned, and from thence came on to Kirtland, as before related, in July.

Thus I have given a brief history of the manner in which the writings of the fathers, Abraham and Joseph, have been preserved, and how I came in possession of the same—a correct translation of which I shall give in its proper place.”
(“History of the Church”, Vol. 2, p 348)

Oliver Cowdery wrote about the Egyptian records in an 1835 letter to William Frye. In this letter, which was printed in the Messenger and Advocate in December 1835, we have Oliver’s impression of some of the unpublished contents of the books of Joseph and Abraham:

“The language in which this record is written is very comprehensive, and many of the hieroglyphics exceedingly striking. The evidence is apparent upon the face, that they were written by persons acquainted with the history of the creation, the fall of man, and more or less of the correct ideas of notions of the Deity. The representation of the god-head—three, yet in one, is curiously drawn to give simply, though impressively, the writers views of that exalted personage. The serpent, represented as walking, or formed in a manner to be able to walk, standing in front of, and near a female figure, is to me, one of the greatest representations I have ever seen upon paper, or a writing substance; and must go so far towards convincing the rational mind of the correctness and divine authority of the holy scriptures, and especially that part which has ever been assailed by the infidel community, as being a fiction, as to carry away, with one mighty sweep, the whole atheistical fabric, without leaving a vestage sufficient for a foundation stone.

Enoch’s Pillar, as mentioned by Josephus, is upon the same roll.—True, our present version of the bible does not mention this fact, though it speaks of the righteousness of Abel and the holiness of Enoch,—one slain because his offering was ac-cepted of the Lord, and the other taken to the regions of everlasting day without being confined to the narrow limits of the tomb, or tasting death; but Josephus says that the descendants of Seth were virtuous, and possessed a great knowledge of the heavenly bodies, and, that, in consequence of the prophecy of Adam, that the world should be destroyed once by water and again by fire, Enoch wrote a history or an account of the same, and put into two pillars one of brick and the other of stone; and that the same were in being at his (Josephus’) day.

The inner end of the same roll, (Joseph’s record,) presents a representation of the judgment: At one view you behold the Savior seated upon his throne, crowned, and holding the sceptres of righteousness and power, before whom also, are assembled the twelve tribes of Israel, the nations, languages and tongues of the earth, the kingdoms of the world over which satan is represented as reigning. Michael the archangel, holding the key of the bottomless pit, and at the same time the devil as being chained and shut up in the bottomless pit. But upon this last scene, I am able only to give you a shadow, to the real picture. I am certain it cannot be viewed without filling the mind with awe, unless the mind is far estranged from God: and I sincerely hope, that mine may never go so far estray, nor wander from those rational principles of the doctrine of our Savior, so much, as to become darkened in the least, and thereby fail to have that, to us, the greatest of all days, and the most sublime of all transactions, so impressively fixed upon the heart, that I become not like the beast, not knowing whither I am going, nor what shall be my final end!

I might continue my communication to a great length upon the different figures and characters represented upon the two rolls, but I have no doubt my subject has already become sufficiently prolix for your patience: I will therefore soon cease for the present.—When the translation of these valuable documents will be completed, I am unable to say; neither can I give you a probable idea how large volumes they will make; but judging from their size, and the comprehensiveness of the language, one might reasonably expect to see a sufficient to develop much upon the mighty acts of the ancient men of God, and of his dealing with the children of men when they saw him face to face. Be there little or much, it must be an in-estimable acquisition to our present scriptures, fulfilling, in a small degree, the word of the prophet: For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
(H. Donl Peterson, The Story of the Book of Abraham: Mummies, Manuscripts, and Mormonism [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1995], 128.)

I found the following alledged translation of the Book of Joseph on the internet about 6 years ago. After researching the origin of this document, the information and opinions I have received from various BYU professors and LDS Church archivists has lead me to the conclusion that it is most likely a forgery. Most are of the opinion that Joseph Smith never had time to translate the Book of Joseph. (See CLINT for more information)
However in light of what Oliver Cowdery related above, it is clear that there was at least some preliminary attempt at a partial translation, but nothing that was ever published. I present this alledged translation here only as a reference for anyone interested in such historical documents.
I have added related Bible references in parenthses at the end of each verse.
Joel Hardy
August 2006

The Book of Joseph

An account of Joseph, the son of Jacob, the son of Issac, the son of Abraham; which account was written by the hand of Moses by the word of the Lord while he dwelt in the house of Jethro the Midianite.

Chapter 1
1:1 And it came to pass, Rachel, the wife of Jacob, was drawing water from a well and suddenly two angels of the Lord with shining garments stood before her saying, Fear not handmaiden of the Lord, for thou art a chosen vessel to bear a choice branch unto the Lord. And Rachel said, I know not what ye say, my lord.
1:2 And one of the angels said unto her, Jacob shall be a tree of life reaching unto all the earth. Over the high walls shall his branches reach. Even unto the isles of the sea which are afar off. And his seed shall rule all lands and trample down all people, for the Lord God Almighty shall make strong his seed.
1:3 Rachel, thy reproach is taken away from thee and thou shalt bare a son, and thou shalt call his name Joseph, for the Lord thy God shall make him two great nations, yea, even mighty nations before him.
1:4 And immediately Rachel ran down unto Jacob and sayeth unto him, the Lord hath taken away my reproach, and openeth my womb, and I shall bare thee a son which shall be two great and mighty nations before the Lord.
1:5 And when Jacob heard this he rejoiced and did offer a burnt offering unto the Lord saying: O Lord God, yea, even the Most High God of heaven and earth, surely through my seed shalt thou show thyself faithful of the promises made unto my fathers.
1:6 And as the sweetsmelling aroma did ascend unto heaven which did fill the nostrils of the Lord. And the Lord did hear Jacob.
1:7 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto Jacob over the burnt offering and said: Jacob, Jacob, the Lord is well pleased with thee. Thou shalt be given a son and shalt call his name Joseph. For he shall be a great and mighty nation before the Lord. And out of the loins of Joseph shall the Lord bring many sons into His glory. (Gen 30:23-24)
1:8 And it came to pass Jacob said unto Laban, Suffer me to take my wives and my children for whom I have served thee and let me go down and dwell in own country. For I have served thee well and my time is at hand.(Gen 30:25)
1:9 And Laban said unto him, I beg thee abide with me, if I have found favor with thee. For I know of a surety that the gods have blessed me and my house for thy sake and for the sake of thy seed. (Gen.30:30)
1:10 And Jacob said, I am sore desirous to depart unto mine own land. And Laban said, what shall I give unto thee, that thou abide with me? (Gen.30:31)
1:11 And Jacob answered Laban, saying: If thou wilt suffer me this day to pass though thine herds and take of the spotted and speckled and striped cattle; and of the spotted and speckled and striped goats;Gen(30:32)
1:12 and of the spotted and speckled and striped sheep, yea, of any speckled and spotted and striped beast which liveth among thy flocks, I shall stay and serve thee. And Laban said, so be it as thou sayest.(Gen.30:33-34)
1:13 And so Jacob took possession of all the livestock which Laban had given unto him.

Chapter 2
2:1 And it came to pass, while Jacob was tending his flocks the angel of the Lord appeared unto him saying: take sticks of this tree which The Lord hath prepared and set them before the cisterns of which the livestock drinketh that they may conceive.(Gen.30:37-38)
2:2 And so Jacob set the sticks before the cisterns as the angel of the Lord had commanded. And when the flocks were come to drink, they conceived before the sticks.(Gen 30:39)
2:3 And it came to pass, the flocks brought forth speckled and spotted and striped offspring. And Jacob put his own flocks in a yonder place, and allowed them not to mingle with Laban’s flocks.(Gen 30:40)
2:4 And it came to pass, when the stronger cattle conceived, Jacob did lay the sticks before their eyes one each side of the cistern, that they might conceive between the sticks and bare speckled and spotted and striped offspring according to the word of the Lord.(Gen 30:41)
2:5 Now when Laban discovered this he was wroth, and came against Jacob saying, why hast thou dealt deceitfully with me, that thou mightest get gain deceitfully? Have I not been a gracious provider unto thee and all thine house? (Gen 31:1-2)
2:6 And in this manner did Laban severely accuse Jacob that he might persuade him to give unto him a portion of Jacob’s increase.
2:7 And lo, the angel of the Lord appeared unto them as they were speaking.
2:8 And Laban fell to the ground and hid his face for he was sore afraid at the sight.
2:9 And the Angel of the Lord said unto Laban, I have commanded Jacob to do this thing that thou mayest know that The Lord respecteth Jacob and not Laban.
2:10 For thou hast dealt deceitfully with Jacob. And hast made him serve thee unjustly seven years. And know thou this: that the Lord shall rescue the oppressed and judge the unjust in due season, to reward the righteous and to destroy the wicked.
2:11 Yea, the righteous shall inherit the wealth of the wicked and the fatness of all the earth: for the earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof.
2:12 The wicked shall prosper for a season, howbeit the Lord keepeth his eye on the righteous and on the wicked, and shall judge them in the time which he hath appointed for his own purpose.

And in the latter time, the wicked shall be exceedingly prosperous seven years. And then the Lord shall come suddenly and pronounce swift judgment upon them and destroy them all.

2:13 And in the latter time, the wicked shall be exceedingly prosperous seven years. And then the Lord shall come suddenly and pronounce swift judgment upon them and destroy them all. Yea, the God of heaven and earth shall smite them with the fury of his wrath which shall be poured out upon their heads without mixture. Then shall the wealth of those who do wickedly be given unto the the sons of righteousness who shall shine like the stars. And the sons of righteousness shall inherit the earth forever, yea, even shall they shine upon it forever and ever. And the earth shall not pass into the hand of another.
2:14 When Laban heard this he did heap dust upon his head and said, forgive me this wrong, my Lord. If there is anything which Jacob desireth, the same may he freely take. I pray thee, lord, spare my life and my house.
2:15 And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto Jacob and said, take thy wives and all thy possessions and return to thine own land. And take the gods of Laban that he may know that the Lord is the Most High God over all the earth. And so did Jacob as the Lord had commanded.
2:16 And when Laban had perceived that his idols were removed, he was hot with fury. And said to his kindred and slaves, who hath removed the gods from before the altar?
2:17 And none in Laban’s house knew whither they had been taken.
2:18 And Laban went to the place where Jacob had dwelt, and finding him not, Laban uttered cursings against him in the names of his gods.
2:19 And Laban and his kin and all of his slaves did pursue Jacob. And when they had found Jacob and his kin, Laban seized Jacob by the throat and said, I have offered thee that thou mayest take any of my possessions. Yea, even of my gold and silver, and mine own daughters mayest thou freely take.
2:20 Why didst thou dishonor me by taking my gods and thereby bring a curse upon my head and upon my house?
2:21 And behold the word of the Lord came unto Jacob and Laban in the midst of their disputation and said, the Lord hast commanded Jacob to take thine idols that the house of Laban might know that the Lord is the Most High God over all the earth, yea, even the Most High over the house of Laban.
2:22 Yea, the Lord is God even over all nations and kindreds of the earth. For the earth is mine, and the fulness thereof, sayeth the Lord. And there is no other. And I, the Lord, exalteth as many as I will, and debaseth as many as I will: for men are as grasshoppers unto me. And none can stay my hand. Who has an arm like unto the Lord’s? Who hath frustrated Him when he hath decreed his decree?
2:23 And Laban began to tremble exceedingly before the Lord. And his countenance became exceedingly fearful.
2:24 And the Lord said, Behold thy gods! And the idols of Laban did melt before the eyes of Jacob and Laban as they stood by.
2:25 And a chariot of the Lord did he cause to pass by. And the noise thereof was like the sound of mighty rushing waters. Awesome and terrible was the sound of it. And the chariot had the appearance of lightning and fire was in his mouth. Awesome and terrible was the sight to behold in the eyes of Jacob and Laban.
2:26 And the Lord did cause a violent whirlwind to appear which did scatter the ashes of the idols of Laban whereby they could be found no more at all. And Jacob and Laban fell to their faces and cried out: how marvelous and terrible is the hand of the Lord God!
2:26 And the Lord said unto Laban, Behold, thou and thine house also shall likewise perish if ye do not repent before the Lord this day, and forsake the gods of gold, and the gods of silver, and the gods of wood, and the gods of stone:
2:27 Gods which are fashioned by the hand of a man when he sayeth in his heart: I shall fashion a god and bring my hand upon it; and use my tools upon it. And I shall bow down before it.
2:28 Behold, they are gods which can neither see, nor can they hear; neither can they speak. They are gods that are no gods, for the Lord Most High is the one true living God who dwelleth in the heavens and who reigns over all the earth.
2:29 And He did make the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and yea, even all of the sons of men. And they are merely dust in his hand and breath from his mouth.
2:30 And Jacob and Laban were astonished at all the things which the Lord had said and done before them. And Laban made a vow that he and his house should serve the true and living God for ever.
2:31 And after the angel of the Lord had departed, Jacob offered a choice lamb unto the Lord for a sacrifice for the sake of Laban and his house. And Laban returned unto his house.

Chapter 3
3:1 And it came to pass, Rachel did bring forth a son. And she called his name Joseph.(Gen 30:24)
3:2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto Jacob in a dream saying, Joseph shall be two great and mighty nations in the hand of the Lord.
3:3 These nations shall be greater than any nations upon the face of the earth. Howbeit, only a remnant shall see my face and live.
3:4 Behold, wisdom shall increase in the latter time. And men shall make weapons of war; yea, even terrible weapons which shall touch the power of the Most High.
3:5 And the seed of Joseph shall believe a lie, wherein the terrible weapons shall be for the protection of their lands. And wo unto them, for the people shall be deceived.
3:6 And the Lord showed Jacob a vision, and said: behold, the mighty men of the earth shall lay an awful scheme by the word of their god, that they should destroy the Lord when he shall visit men at the appointed time when he shall reward the sons of men according to their works.
3:7 And all nations shall gather together in the heart of the earth to make war with the Lord, even the almighty king of heaven and earth. Wo, wo, wo unto the chief princes of the earth, even unto the seed of Dan, who hath made gold their god and a lie their refuge:
3:8 Who have said among themselves: the Lord is no god wherein we should fear him, for by our mighty power have we become gods ourselves and have spread abroad ourselves over all the earth. Yet shall they be judged and cut off from among the sons of Jacob.
3:9 Thus sayeth the Lord: The wicked plot in vain. And they shall drink from the cup of vanity which they have grasped: for the Lord himself shall utterly destroy them all by the brightness of his terrible presence.
3:10 And lo, those who plot in vain have over them a king; even he whose name is the liar from the beginning, even Azaziel, he who was a guardian of the presence
3:11 Yea, Azaziel shall be bound; even he who hath granted them their great authority and their seat and who hath whispered lies into their ears like a cunning serpent which lieth in the dust. The Lord himself shall come and bind him with cords which cannot be loosed, and seal him up with a seal which cannot be broken.
3:12 For Azaziel hath led them astray by his corrupted wisdom which hath become folly in the sight of heaven. Wo unto him for he hath laid waste the cities of the garden of God and made the inhabitants of the earth stumble exceedingly, causing them to be drunk from the cup of blindness, yea, even to feast from the table of rebellion.
3:13 Comfort thyself with these words, thou beloved Jacob. For verily, the Lord reigns supreme over all the gods and shall swiftly mete out justice which cannot be overthrown. Amen.
3:14 And Jacob was astonished at all the Lord had shown him: for weak was his understanding, and without strength was his soul in the presence of the Lord.

Chapter 4
4:1 And it came to pass, Joseph, the son of Jacob, grew in stature unto a man. And Joseph was a peculiar child, full of knowledge and wisdom.
4:2 And is came to pass the angel of the Lord appeared to Jacob and said, make a tunic for thy son Joseph, and place on it the holy emblems of the priesthood of the Lord thy God.
4:3 And lay thine hands on him and grant unto him to be a priest unto the Most High God. And instruct him in the hidden wisdom of the Lord, even the hidden treasures of knowledge which have been known among thy fathers:
4:4 For I shall cause Joseph to go down into the land of the sun, a land full of idolatry and iniquity, and I shall cause him to be a savior among the people for the sake of thy seed.
4:5 And he shall bare the priesthood of the Most High, and become a mighty ruler among the Egyptians. And the Lord shall bless whomsoever he shall bless, and curse whomsoever he shall curse: for my name shall be in him. And great shall be his name in the land. Wherefore Pharaoh shall know that he is a prince with God.
4:6 And behold, he shall seal up the blessings of the priesthood for the generations which are afar off, that the Most High may have witness for Himself in the latter time, before the great and final day when the Lord himself shall come and reward the sons of men according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. Even so. Amen.
4:7 And so Jacob made a tunic according to the word of the Lord. And he did place it upon his son Joseph. And blessed him with all of the hidden blessings of wisdom.(Gen. 37:3)
4:8 And Jacob instructed him in the hidden wisdom of the Lord, whereunto Joseph should be a priest of the Most High God.
4:9 Now when the brothers of Joseph had discovered that Jacob had made Joseph a priest unto the Most High God they were filled with the spirit of jelousy. (Gen. 37:4)
4:10 And they gathered unto their father Jacob saying, why hast thou given that Joseph should receive a tunic and become a priest unto the Lord and not us also?
4:11 And Jacob rebuked them saying, Joseph is a chosen vessel whom the Lord hath chosen, and it is according to his purposes. Who are ye that ye dare accuse God?
4:12 Verily, the Lord hath chosen him for his own purposes and ye shall well abide under it. For this is the word of the Lord.
4:13 And when Jacob had finished speaking, his sons murmured among themselves.
4:14 And it came to pass, Joseph dreamed a dream, wherein he saw all of the flocks of his brothers bowing down to his flocks. And Joseph boasted of this before his brothers.(Gen 37:5)
4:15 And his brothers mocked him saying, shalt thou become a prince over us? And his brothers murmured among themselves.(Gen 37:8)
4:16 And it came to pass, Joseph dreamed another dream. And said unto his brothers, I have dreamed a dream wherein the sun, and the moon and the stars did bow low before me.(Gen 37:9)
4:17 And his brothers mocked him saying, as the Lord liveth and as we live, thy blood shall be spilt on the ground before we fear thee.
4:18 And his brothers murmured among themselves how they might kill Joseph. And a servant of Jacob secretly spied them.(Gen 37:18)
4:19 And when Jacob heard of this he said unto Joseph: do not fear my son: as the Lord hath decreed his decree, thou shalt be a prince over me and all mine house.
4:20 Yet pride hath filled thine heart. Let no boasting be found at all in thy mouth, yea, neither in thine heart, lest thou fall under condemnation: for the Lord God doth hate a proud and boastful heart.
4:21 Thou didst come into this world naked and thou shalt leave it naked.
4:22 And remember this, my son, the Lord exalteth whom he will, and the Lord abaseth whom he will. Therefore thou shalt keep thine heart humble before him all the days of thy life.
4:23 And Joseph was pierced in his heart, and durst not open his mouth again for to boast.

Chapter 5
5:1 And it came to pass, Joseph was in the desert seeking his brethren and they seized upon him, and mocked him, saying: behold, our prince is come unto us. Mayest thou live long, and may thy kingdom be forever!
5:2 And they worshipped him in mocking fashion, saying, have mercy on us O king! Save us, O mighty one!
5:3 And they seized upon Joseph to kill him. And Dan drew his sword and thrust it into the side of Joseph, howbeit it pierced not his flesh.
5:4 And all who stood by were astonished. And Reuben said, Verily, the Lord hath surely chosen him, and the power of the Most High dwelleth with him.
5:5 Suffer not our hands to shed his blood, for his blood should surely cry up to the Lord against us, and great would be the curse against our children unto seven generations.
5:6 Yea, rather, let us cast him into a pit wherein he may perish for lack of meat or may be eaten by wild beasts, and thus shall our hands be free of his blood. And so they seized the tunic which Jacob had made for Joseph and cast Joseph into a pit naked for to die.(Gen 37:24)
5:7 Now, after Joseph’s brothers had departed from the pit into which they had cast Joseph, a band of Midianites came nigh unto it.
5:8 And Hanok, the chief of the Midianites, said unto Joseph, I perceive that a great evil hath befallen thee. What shalt thou give unto me that I remove thee from this pit.
5:9 And Joseph said unto them, I shall serve thee all the days of my life if thou removest me from this pit. Therefore, I pray thee, go unto my Father’s house and tell my father whereunto thou shalt take me, for it is the will of the Most High God that I should go with thee.
5:10 And Hanok said, so shall it be. And so Hanok commanded his sons to remove Joseph from the pit.(Gen 37:28)
5:11 And Hanok sent one of his servants to Jacob that Jacob might know of the thing which had befallen Joseph. And after the servant had spoken the thing which had befallen Joseph, Jacob said unto him: this thing is by the hand of God.
5:12 And Jacob wept bitterly. And Jacob bade the servant of Hanok to stay with him.
5:13 And while Joseph’s brothers were eating the evening meat, Reuben said, let us not suffer our brother to die. For the Lord shall surely avenge his death upon our heads and our children.
5:14 Therefore let us sell him to that yonder band of the sons of Ishmael that his blood be not upon us. And so they were agreed as one and bound themselves by an oath.
5:15 Howbeit when Reuben returned to the pit whereunto they had cast Joseph he saw that Joseph was not there.(Gen.37:29)
5:16 Then Reuben rent his tunic and said, what hath befallen our brother Joseph? May the Lord forgive us this evil which we have done unto our own brother whom the Lord hath chosen! And Reuben was bitterly sorrowful.
5:17 And the brothers of Joseph took a goat and slew it. And they took of the blood of the goat and put it on the tunic which Jacob had made for Joseph.(Gen 37:31)
5:18 And when they had returned to their father, they said unto Jacob that Joseph had been overcome by a wild beast. And when Jacob heard this he rent his tunic, and put on sackcloth, and cast ashes upon his head for many days crying out, O my son, O my son!(Gen 37:32-34)
5:19 Howbeit Jacob knew that Joseph had not suffered the evil. And he kept the matter in his heart.
5:20 And Jacob took Joseph’s tunic and folded it up in a cloth and gave it unto the servant of Hanok and said:
5:21 Deliver unto Joseph this tunic and all shall be well with thee and thine house: for the Most High God hath ordained it so. And the servant of Hanok said, I shall surely do it.
5:22 And Joseph(Jacob?) said, thou must swear an oath that thou keepest the matter in thine heart. And thou must not suffer thine eyes to gaze upon the tunic lest thou be cursed: for it is holy unto the Most High God.
5:23 And so they took a ram and made an covenant to keep the matter secret. And Jacob said unto the servant of Hanok: so shall it be unto thee if thou shalt break this covenant.
5:24 And so the servant of Hanok departed and delivered the tunic unto Joseph.

Chapter 6
6:1 And it came to pass, Hanok the Midianite sold Joseph to an Egyptian whose name was Potifar.(Gen 37:36)
6:2 And Potifar had respect for Joseph seeing that he was a stout man and full of knowledge and wisdom. And so Potifar made Joseph the master over his whole house.(Gen 39:4)
6:3 And Joseph served Potifar well. And the Lord greatly blessed the house of Potifar on account of Joseph.(Gen 39:5)
6:4 And Joseph taught wisdom unto Potifar, yea, even in all the ways of the Lord. And Potifar did forsake the gods of Egypt to serve the living God, even the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6:5 And Joseph taught Potifar the hidden wisdom of the Lord, even of the holy priesthood of God. And Potifar became a priest unto the Most High God at the hand of Joseph.
6:6 And it came to pass, Shinmin, the wife of Potifar, did set her eyes upon Joseph. And Shinmin said unto Joseph, come and lie with me.(Gen 39:7)
6:7 And Joseph said unto her, I shall surely not lie with thee, for I have made a oath unto the Lord. Who art thou tempt the Lord?(Gen 39:8-9)
6:8 Howbeit Shinmin relented not. And so Shinmin said unto Joseph, if thou liest not with me, I shall cause thee to be cast into the prison until thou repent.
6:9 And Joseph said, by my head and by the Lord of Hosts, I shall never lie with thee.
6:10 And it came to pass, one day while Joseph was walking in Potifar’s house, Shinmin seized his garment, saying, I beg thee, lie with me. For my master hath utterly forsaken me.(Gen 39:12)
6:11 Howbeit Joseph refused to lie with the woman, that he fled naked out of the house.(Gen 39:12)
6:12 And after Joseph had fled, Shinmin called for Potifar. And when Potifar had returned to the house, she cried unto him saying:
6:13 The Hebrew which thou didst bring into this house, seized me saying, lie with me. Howbeit I lied not with him, and he became wroth and did struggle against me; and I seized his tunic that he hath fled naked out of the house.(Gen 39:17-18)
6:14 So Potifar commanded his slaves to seek after Joseph and deliver him up.
6:15 And when Joseph was delivered unto Potifar, he said, I have given thee to be the master over my whole house. Yea, there is save I alone over thee. Why hast thou dealt with me in this manner, to bring shame upon my house?
6:16 And Joseph said, I have done no evil unto thee, my lord. The wife of thy youth did seize my tunic and did plead with me to lie with her. And for righteousness sake and because of mine oath, I lied not with her.
6:17 And Potifar said unto Joseph: of a surety, I know that the thing which thou speakest is true.
6:18 And Potifar said, Of a truth, thou hast not sinned. Yet for the sake of reproach, I must deliver thee to prison for a little season, for thou art an Hebrew slave in Egypt, and Pharoah shall be sore displeased if he heareth of the matter, and lest he take away my name and my house I must do this thing.
6:19 So Potifar delivered Joseph to the prison saying to the master, fear him as thou fearest me, for he is full of the spirit of the living God over all the earth.(Gen 39:20)
6:20 Inasmuch as thou entreat him like a brother, the living God shall bless thee and thine house.
6:21 And so the master of the prison feared Joseph. And when the master had perceived that Joseph was full of wisdom he made him chief over all the prisoners.(Gen 39:22)
6:22 And Joseph became known unto the house of Pharoah.

Chapter 7
7:1 And it came to pass, Pharoah sent for Jacob(Joseph?): for he had become renown in Egypt as one having the spirit of the gods, and an interpreter of dreams.
7:2 And Pharoah said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and in all of the land of my kingdom neither my wise men nor my watchers have been able to tell the meaning thereof.(Gen 41:15)
7:3 Howbeit I perceive that thou, Joseph, art filled with the wisdom of the lofty ones.
7:4 I pray thee, tell me the meaning of my dream and thou shalt be greatly rewarded, for verily, all of Egypt lieth in mine hand.
7:5 And Joseph said, mayest thou live forever, O king. Verily, I am dust and ashes, and there is no wisdom in me. Howbeit the Spirit of the Lord Most High who is with me can tell the meaning thereof.
7:6 And Pharoah said, this is the dream which I have dreamed:
7:7 There were seven fatted heifers drinking from a brook. And behold seven sickly heifers appeared and did devour the seven fatted heifers. And thus were the seven fatted heifers no more.(Gen 41:18-21)
7:8 The dream hath troubled me that sleep is fled far away from me; and I lay troubled on my bed. Therefore I pray thee, Joseph, shew me the meaning thereof, that I may have peace.
7:9 And Joseph, said, may peace be unto thee, O king. Thus saith the Lord who is the Most High God over all the earth:
7:10 It shall come to pass, there shall be seven years of bounteous harvest. And after the seven years are passed, a fearsome woe shall overtake the land.(Gen 41:26-30)
7:11 And Joseph fell on his face before Pharoah and cried, after the seven years of bounteous harvest are passed, there shall be seven years of famine; yea, even a sore famine which hath not ever been in Egypt nor in all the earth.
7:12 Thus saith the Most High God, take of thy bounteous harvest and lay up unto the seven years of famine, and the life of thee and those of thy kingdom shall not utterly perish.Gen 41:36)
7:13 And if thou heedest not, thy people shall become a great abborance unto the whole earth. There shall be death of man and beast such as there has never been on the face of the whole earth.
7:14 And so Pharoah took his seal and placed it upon Joseph.(Gen 41:42)
7:15 And there was not anyone in the land of Egypt who was greater than Joseph save Pharoah. Thus did the Lord bless Joseph.

Chapter 8
8:1 And it came to pass, the angel of the Lord appeared unto Joseph in a dream saying, Joseph, thou art a chosen vessel from among the children of men and a great blessing unto all the earth.
8:2 Thou shalt become two great and mighty nations in the hand of the Lord: for the Lord exalteth whom he will, and the Lord abaseth whom he will. And who can stay his mighty hand?
8:3 And the Lord performeth this that he may richly reward his faithful among the sons of men with the riches of the earth. For the Lord delighteth in the righteousness of his children, that he may prosper them with all blessing.
8:4 Therefore walk humbly before thy God; for this day I have ordained thee to be a savior in the land of Egypt, wherein the Egyptians shall bare thee on their shoulders and call thee blessed; Moreover, thou shalt preserve thine house and the holy wisdom of the Lord from destruction.
8:5 And when many days have passed, thy seed shall be cause for a great work of the Lord in the sight of the heathen unto the glory of the Lord.
8:6 And when Joseph did awaken from his sleep, he was astonished at all the Lord had said unto him.

Chapter 9
9:1 And it came to pass, the Lord gave Asenath the daughter of Potifar to Joseph. And Asenath became the wife of Joseph at the hand of Potifar.(Gen 41:45)
9:2 And the Lord placed his seal upon them.
9:3 And it came to pass, Joseph knew his wife and she conceived. And Asenath bare Joseph two sons. And they named the first Manasseh and the second Ephraim according to the word of the Lord.(Gen 41:50-52)
9:4 And the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream saying, thy sons Manasseh and Ephraim shall be two mighty nations before the Lord.
9:5 And they shall be as two stiffnecked and rebellious goats which runneth away when they heareth the voice of the shepherd. In the latter time they shall be a scourge and a terror and shall fight the Lord when he comes to reward the sons of men.
9:6 Howbeit, a remnant shall be faithful unto the Lord. And the He shall give them the earth as an inheritance with thee after I have raised up thy bones from the dust.
9:7 And the Lord spake again unto Joseph saying, Behold, the famine which shall overtake the land is at hand. When the famine hath become a sore burden on thy kindred, thy brothers shall appear unto thee. Be thou merciful unto them, as I am merciful unto thee, and all shall be well with thee and thy masters house.

Chapter 10
10:1 And it came to pass, according to the word of the Lord, that a famine fell upon the land of Egypt and upon the lands of Jacob.(Gen 41:54)
10:2 And the sons of Jacob said among themselves, we have little to eat; wherefore shall we suffer ourselves to perish with hunger in this place which hath been forsaken by the Lord?
10:3 And thus they did murmur against the Lord their God.
10:4 Howbeit Jacob knew of the honor which the Lord had given unto his son Joseph at the hand of Pharoah.
10:5 And it came to pass, Jacob said unto his sons, make haste and go down unto Egypt for the Lord hath made known unto me that there is a ruler among the Egyptians who is full of wisdom and knowledge of the Lord.
10:6 He shall have mercy on our souls, and shall sell grain unto you, that we live and not perish. This hath the Lord provided.(Gen 42:2)
10:7 And so Jacob sent all of his sons, save the youngest, from their lands; and they went down to the land of Egypt.(Gen 42:3-4)
10:8 And when the brothers of Joseph were come to Egypt, they sought to buy grain.
10:9 And a man by the way said unto them, go and seek ye Joseph the prince, for he selleth grain.
10:10 And when the brothers of Joseph did find Joseph, they bowed down low to the earth, and said, we beg thee, O prince, sell thy servants grain that we may live and not perish.(Gen 42:6)
10:11 And immediately Joseph knew that they were his brothers who had left him for to die in the pit.(Gen 42:7)
10:12 Howbeit the brothers of Joseph knew him not for his appearance and language was according to the Egyptians.
10:13 And Joseph answered coarsely unto them saying, are ye of the land of Egypt?(Gen 42:9)
10:14 And they said, no lord, we are twelve brothers save the younger who are come out of the land of Canaan to buy grain at the word of our father, lest we die.(Gen 42:13)
10:15 And Joseph said unto them angrily: wherefore do you come unto me? Are ye spies come to spy this land? What shall I do with you?(Gen 42:14)
10:16 And they answered, not so, lord; we have need of grain that we perish not, for this great famine hath reached unto our land, and hath become a scourge unto us.
10:17 And Joseph was bitter in his heart, yet he remembered the commandment of the Lord.
10:18 Therefore Joseph had pity on his brothers, and forgave them in his heart of the evil which they had done unto him, yet spake he coarsely unto them saying: bring unto me your younger brother and I shall sell you grain.(Gen 42:15)
10:19 And the brothers counciled among themselves that they might bring the younger brother unto Joseph. And Joseph heard it, howbeit the brothers knew it not, for Joseph had spoken unto them by his interpreter.
10:20 And when Joseph beheld them counciling among themselves, he had compassion on them.
10:21 And so Joseph said unto them, go unto thy land and bring thy father and thy brother. Yet Joseph kept Simeon and bound him hand and foot that he should remain.(Gen 42:20)
10:22 And Joseph commanded his servants that they should bring unto him sacks of grain for to give his brothers.(Gen 42:25)
10:23 And after they had mounted the sacks of grain onto their beasts, he sent them on their way.(Gen 42:26)

Chapter 11
11:1 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto Joseph saying, Here I Am!(Gen 46:2)
11:2 And when Joseph turned he beheld the angel of the Lord standing in a flame of fire. And Joseph cried out saying, I am a dead man. For mine eyes have seen the glory of the king of heaven!
11:3 And immeadiately the strength of Joseph left him and he fell to the ground as a dead man.
11:4 And the angel of the Lord touched Joseph saying, Joseph, Joseph, stand up on thy feet as a man and fear not.
11:5 For thou hast been chosen from among all thy brethren; yea, even from all the sons of men which dwelleth on the earth, to be a chosen branch unto the Lord.(Gen 46:3)
11:6 And through thy seed all the nations shall be blessed with the fruit of bounty: where the wine shall overflow the vats; and where the milk shall overflow unto the dung hills.
11:7 And after Joseph had arisen to his feet the Lord said: Behold the handiwork of the Lord!
11:8 And suddenly a strange and marvelous vision appeared before Joseph. And Joseph began to quake exceedingly, for marvelous and terrible to behold was the vision which the Lord had opened unto him. “marvelous work”
11:9 And the angel of the Lord said unto Joseph: This is the kingdom which I have created for mine own purpose and it is very great. Is it not marvelous to behold?
11:10 And the vision multiplied before Joseph eyes. And Joseph said: what is the meaning of this, my Lord? It is great to behold and marvelous in mine eyes.
11:11 And the Lord said, these are lands upon which my seed abide. The land on which thou standest is one land among all of the lands which I have created by mine own my hand. And I set them on nothing, for I the Lord am the foundation of them.
11:12 Behold, the lands which number more than the sands of the sea. And this is my work and my great glory: to give unto my children that which I have prepared for them, yea, even all I possess.
11:13 And Joseph said, how great and mighty is the Lord, full of wisdom and strength and mercy: for I have never at any time considered that this could be.
11:14 And Joseph fell down and worshipped the Lord.
11:15 And the Lord said, Joseph if thou art faithful to the Lord all the days of thy life, and walk circumspectly before my face, thou shalt be lifted up, even to the throne of God, and thou shalt be a master workman in all wisdom, yea, even in all of the hidden wisdom which is the Lord’s.
11:16 And thou shalt inherit, with thy faithful seed with thee, the glory of the Lord. And thus shalt thou have great joy. For the Lord delights to give his children the works of his hands.
11:17 And thou shalt sit in my throne, yea, even the throne of God. And thou shalt be my son, and I shall be thy father, forever. Yea, even forever and ever.
11:18 And Joseph fell on his face and cried out, depart from me Lord, for I am not worthy to be called to such a great and marvelous honor.
11:19 And the Lord said unto Joseph, the Lord hath seen thy great faithfulness. Thou art more faithful than any of the sons of men upon on the face of the whole earth:
11:21 For the Lord casteth the proud to the dust and exalteth the humble. The power of the wicked shall be completely destroyed, yet the Lord delights in the throne of the faithful.
11:20 And the Lord said: look up. And when Joseph had looked up, he beheld a great multitude which had the appearance of the sons of men. And they did shine like the sun.
11:21 And every one of them had a golden crown on his head. And they were singing and praising God around his glorious throne. And there was one in the midst of the throne which had a name written on him: and his name was ……., which intepreted means Wisdom of God.
11:22 And the Lord said unto Joseph: Joseph, my son, these are those who have glorified my name. They shall be my sons forever. And at the latter time thou shalt rise from the dust and take thy inheritance in the midst of mine holy congregation forever. Even forever and ever. Amen.

Chapter 12
12:1 And it came to pass, Joseph was reasoning with the priests of On.
12:2 And the priests said unto him, surely hast thou communed with the gods, for there hath never been a wiser man in all of Egypt.
12:3 And Joseph taught the priests the knowledge of the Lord. And Joseph continued to gain favor in their eyes because of his exceedingly great wisdom which the Lord given unto him.
12:4 And some of priests secretly worshipped the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and said, if the Lord would have us be an ensample to the people, so be it, for we know that the Lord is God over all the earth.
12:5 And Joseph said, see that thou do it not. For the time is not fully come. Not many days hence shall you and your children openly serve the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Nevertheless, the time is not yet.
12:6 And Joseph taught unto those faithful to the Lord the hidden wisdom of the fathers saying: of a truth, this wisdom was given to Adam, and it has come down to us by the hands of my fathers. And many things did Joseph teach unto the faithful which cannot be written.
12:7 And, yea, it is not to be had among the wicked and unbelieving. For the Lord shall not suffer his holy wisdom to be defiled.
12:8 And Joseph taught them all things pertaining to the priesthood of the Most High.
12:9 And Joseph taught them knowledge concerning the sun, the moon, and the stars, saying, they are nothing save merely the works of hands of the Lord God.
12:10 And they were astonished that the sun was not a god, saying: if the sun being so marvelous is not a god, then surely how strong is the Lord Most High who hath formed it.
12:11 And Joseph said, not many years hence there shall arise a Pharoah which hath not respect for my people. They shall be treated with contempt and become slaves unto the people of Egypt. They shall become a stench and an abhorrance in the nostrils of the Most High.
12:12 And when the oppression becomes a burden too hard to bare, the Lord God will have mercy on them; and one shall arise at the word of the Lord who shall lead his people out of this place.
12:13 He shall be a prince in the king’s house notwithstanding he shall spring from the loins of my father.
12:14 When he opens his mouth he shall roar as a lion roareth. And when he standeth up, he shall speak with the voice of God almight.
12:15 And he shall shew forth the mighty wonders of God unto you. And he shall confound all of the wisdom of Egypt. And he shall lead you to a land which the Lord shall give unto you as an inheritance.
12:16 Him must you hear.
12:17 And there shall be great weeping and wailing in that day, for the Lord shall visit the iniquity of the fathers in Egypt upon the heads of the sons except they repent.
12:18 And when you are led out of this place, you must bare my bones on your shoulders. For I desire not to stand before the Lord in this place when He shall visit the earth and reward the sons of men according to their works in the great last day. Amen.(Gen 47:30)

Misc Notes

The reason that this nation is being robbed and spoiled by the elite banksters is because this nation was not obedient to his law

17 ¶ They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

19 For I will send my servant unto those who are blind

20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

22 But this is a people
robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. (Isa 42)

Isaiah speaks of a time right before he destroys the wicked when the nation is robbed of its riches”

Here is a portion of a commentary on the internet regarding this prophetic topic

SURPRISE!!! During last year’s period of “economic crisis” the richest individuals of the world (it’s “Billionaires”), somehow, statistically, managed to become 50% more wealthy–while the Common Man lost his job and subsequently his home…

…this, in itself, is great cause for Revolution against the current World system–but we just sit on our intellectually lazy ars and abide by the old cliche’;–“Oh well, the Rich get Richer”–this statistic of 2009’s results makes my case here highly plausible within itself; in the midst of a terrible economic crisis the majority became less wealthy while the most wealthy increased their wealth by 50%–might they be the true “ruling portion of the community“??

I believe the seven year prophecy contained in the Book of Joseph matches up perfectly with many other historical event happening before our eyes, including the robbing of the treasures of this nation by the wealthy elite.

What Mark Biltz also discovered, was that beginning seven years prior to 2015 the sun will become darkened three years in a row on the same day on the Biblical calendar: the first day of Av. A solar eclipse usually speaks of judgment on the nations, and exactly two months after the first of these solar eclipses, on the Feast of Trumpets, which is also called the Day of Judgment, God judged the world economy. The Dow Jones index on Wall Street fell 777.7 points, a 7% drop and a 700 billion dollar loss on a failed 700 billion dollar bail out package on the first day of the 7th month on God’s calendar, 7 years before the final blood red moon in 2015!

Pastor Bengt Berggren, a Swedish friend of ours, has pointed out that this financial crash on Wall Street on the Feast of Trumpets, was undoubtedly a clear message from God. It was written on the wall on the banquet hall of finances, just like it was in the banquet hall of King Belshazzar in Babylon. A small detail is that when Wall Street opens there is always a sound from a clock on the wall. This day for some unknown reason it never sounded. We read in Daniel 5:25-28,

“This is the inscription that was written:
MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN
“This is what these words mean:
Mene : God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.
Tekel : You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.
Peres : Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”

Pastor Berggren points out that according to David Flynn in his bookTemple at the Center of Time, the words that were written on the wall are also measurements of money. You can see this as well in the notes of the NASB Bible. Mene is a mina, which normally equaled 50 shekels of silver.Tekel is another word for a shekel. And Parsin is half a mina. A shekel is 20 gerah. Together Mene, mene, tekel, parsin equals 2520 gerahs, which is the number of days in one prophetic week of years, or seven years!

Well known author Bill Koenig, has pointed out that ten days later, the last day of the Ten Days of Awe leading up to Yom Kippur symbolizing the time of God’s judgments over the earth, the Dow Jones index fell another 678.910 (6,7,8,9,10) points. Notice the sequence of the numbers! The chances that this is a coincidence are less than 1 in 99,999. Koenig interprets this to mean that God has begun to judge all nations according to the commandments number 6 to 10 of the Ten Commandments. When the G20 nations met last November in London, to deal with the global
financial
crisis, the text portion from the Torah for that day was about the flood of Noah. It is too late! The judgment has already begun.

The Biblical Holidays are found in Leviticus 23 and spell out the Plan of YHVH (God). There are seven Festivals divided into two main seasons; 4 Spring Festivals and 3 Fall Festivals. The first four Festivals revealed the First Coming of the Messiah and the last three Festivals will be fulfilled by the Messiah’s Second Coming.

The end of Ephraim’s scattering judgment (Fullness of the gentiles) shown Ezekiel (390 years X seven
for continued disobedience and worship on pagan dates of winter solstice sun god day worship (Dec
25) and goddess of fertility easter (Astarte) worship= 2730 years of scattering Ephraim- the lost
northern tribes of Israel) I believe that scattering judgment ended Aviv 1, 2010 based on YHWH’s
astronomical and Biblical calendar; which now requires us to repent or face a greater judgment. If I
understand correctly, the next judgment now comes on the harlot church first (harlotry based on
keeping pagan feasts and refusing to repent and come out of her my people or receive her plagues); 6
months later at the Feast of Trumpets 2010 which is the September/October time frame of 2010. (The
Feast that no man knows the day or hour of which is a Hebrew idiom for this shadow picture) Rockets
fly (Zech 5 and Ezekiel 38-9) to lands of liars and thieves as judgment falls on His church first. (Those
that claim they love Him but will not obey Him- claiming the “Law” is done away with wrongly assuming
ALL has been fulfilled. There will be civil unrest and financial collapse and even martial law along with
famine and sword before “rockets fly”.

Daniel 11:43, “Antichrist will capture the treasures of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians

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Rock Waterman says:

September 9, 2010 at 3:37 am

Watcher,

I confess to only skimming the piece above, with the intention of returning later to read the whole thing more carefully (You an I both share a propensity for not being able to write short essays, do we not?). Meanwhile, I’m wondering what you believe are the abominations that kept the Nauvoo Saints from being in full fellowship with the Lord? Could it be the polygamy introduced by the Cochranite faction that I wrote about on Pure Mormonism a couple of months ago? That’s what comes to my mind. What is your theory?

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  September 9, 2010 at 5:01 am
  
  LOL Yes we share that in common, although you can get away with it as your writing style is more entertaining and engaging.
  
  And YES… I believe it has to do with breaking the law of monogamy as contained in the Law of the Gospel given in section 42 (in the context of the atonement/scapegoat doctrine in Lev 16.)
  
  Although I am open to the possibility that the gospel of Abraham that was restored in the Kirtland Temple in 1836 after the fulness of the gospel was rejected, may have allowed biblical polygamy as a cursing under a lessor law, I think that making a celestial law out of it and requiring multiple wives in order to receive the highest salvation is an abomination in the eyes of God.
  
  The doctrine of “Celestial Marriage” cannot be documented in the Old Testament, New Testament or Book of Mormon no matter how hard one tries to wrest the scriptures, and in fact, with the exception of the very questionable revelation known as section 132 which Brigham Young used to replace the original section on monogamous marriage in the D&C, modern revelation confirms what the other standard works have always taught on the issue.
  
  I believe that once a people have had the opportunity to consecrate and live the fulness of the gospel but fail to do so, abominations creep into the fold… as clearly prophesied in section 124. It seems to be an “axiomatic verity” as McConkie would say… LOL
  
  Section 132 is problematic IMHO. New revelation never contradicts previous revelation. Higher laws are never introduced when previous laws are rejected.
  
  That nine month time frame between the commandment to build the temple in section 124 and the announcement that BFTD were no longer accepted by the Lord, appears to be the same time period when the spiritual wife doctrine and the concept of being “sealed” to multiple wives for eternity surfaced in the church. A possible case can be made for the practice of biblical polygamy in the church before that time, but not the spiritual wife doctrine of sealing wives for eternity for a higher salvation.
  
  Based on some of your writings, I realize you and I differ in our interpretation of LDS history regarding JS’s involvement in it… but the most important thing that we seem to have in common is that we are both madly in love with our wives, (singular in each case) we are both loyal to our wives, and we both seem to understand the importance of fidelity and monogamy in the marital covenant in the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
  
  I think the JS issue will work itself out in the wash in short order, but my take on it is as follows-
  
  Four Steps in Losing Your Naiveté- Part 6
  
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onewhoiswatching says:

September 9, 2010 at 4:08 pm

Perhaps another thing that should be acknowledged, that I did not include much about in the article is the significance of the “autumnal equinox”.

Wiki says this-

“An equinox happens each year at two specific moments in time (rather than two whole days), when there is a location on the Earth’s equator where the center of the Sun can be observed to be vertically overhead, occurring around March 20/21 and September 22/23 each year.”

D. Michael Quinn writes in Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, p.120-121:

“Smith’s prayer “to commune with some kind of messenger” on 21 September 1823 occurred once the moon had reached its maximum fullness the previous day and just before the autumnal equinox.”

In “Joseph Smith: America’s Hermetic Prophet”, Lance S. Owens writes:

“In this light, the visit of the angel Moroni took on unusual aspects. The angel had appeared on the night of the Autumnal equinox, between midnight and dawn–hours auspicious for a magical invocation. On the day of the equinox Joseph had subsequently made his four annual visits to the hill. When finally he retrieved the plates, it was the eve of the equinox, in the first hour after midnight.”

One person makes the following declaration on the internet-

“He was directed to return to the site at each Autumn Equinox for four years, until 1827”

I have not researched this to see if the Autumn Equinox did in fact fall on the same date each of those years…

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm

Here is another interesting twist regarding the real meaning of the “new moon”

Philo was a prominent Jewish leader who lived in Alexandria from about 20 B.C.E. to about 50 C.E. and was a contemporary of both Yahshua the Messiah and Paul. He was aware of what the Savior and His followers considered was the new moon. In his Treatise on the Special Laws, Book II, XI (41), Philo discusses the Biblical observances. Note how he describes the new moon:

“[It] is that which comes after the conjunction, which… [is] the day of the new moon in each month.” In his detailed discussion of the new moon, Philo describes what constitutes a new moon: “…at the time of the new moon, the sun begins to illuminate the moon with a light which is visible to the outward senses, and then she displays her own beauty to the beholders.”

As Philo noted, the new moon follows the conjunction but it is not the conjunction itself. His observation reveals to us what was considered the new moon in Yahshua’s day and what the Savior Himself also observed as the new moon. That is all we need to know to realize what still constitutes the Biblical new moon today.

Does ‘New’ Mean ‘Full’?

Some read Psalm 81:3 and conclude that the new moon is a holy feast day, and also (because of mistranslation) that the new moon is the full moon and not the first light of the moon. The KJV reads, “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.” Time “appointed” is the Hebrew kacah and means “to plump, i.e. fill up hollows” (Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words). This appointed time is a full moon totally filled with light and on which a solemn Feast day occurs. Does that mean that the new moon is the full moon?

The New King James and some other translations add to the confusion by not translating Psalm 81:3 precisely enough: “Blow the trumpet at the time of the New Moon, at the full moon, on our solemn feast day.” One immediate problem we note is that nowhere in Scripture is the regular monthly new moon referred to as a Feast day, nor is it a full moon, as we shall see.

Other translations clear up the problem by showing two completely different and separate observances in this verse: “Sound the ram’s horn at the new moon, and when the moon is full, at the day of our feast” (NIV).

In Psalm 81:3 Yahweh is speaking of a new moon as well as another observance or appointed time that comes at a full moon. During each of these separate times the trumpet was to sound.

The Hebrew in fact reveals two distinct clauses in this passage, making a definite division of thought. The first is the trumpet as applying to the new moon. The second is the trumpet as it applies to a solemn feast day, which is by Biblical definition different from a regular monthly new moon.

From the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, one would translate Psalm 81:3 this way: “Blow the trumpet at the new moon, and in the fullness of our festival day.”

The Interlinear NIV Hebrew-English Old Testament also makes a differentiation between the two clauses of verse 3: “Sound the ram’s horn at the New Moon, and when the moon is full, on the day of our Feast.”

The Complete Jewish Bible reads: “Sound the shofar at Rosh-Hodesh [new moon], and at full moon for the pilgrim feast.”

The Psalms for Today: A New Translation from the Hebrew into Current English translates the verse: “Sound the trumpet at the new moon, and at the day of our festival, when the moon is full.”

These Hebrew-based translations show that the new moon is different from the full moon and different from a Feast day. The Hebrew shows that the new moon and the full moon are not synonymous. The first is barely visible, the second totally visible. Different words are used for each.

The Hebrew word levanah meaning white, occurs three times in the Hebrew text and poetically refers to the white brilliance of the full moon (see Song of Solomon 6:10; Isa. 24:23; 30:26). And the Hebrew word kehseh, meaning fullness, is twice translated full moon (Ps. 81:3; Prov. 7:20). Chodesh, on the other hand, refers to the new moon and is never used for full moon.

http://www.yrm.org/whatisbiblicalnewmoon.htm

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Another interesting tidbit I found online…

“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.” STOP RIGHT THERE! WOW! That is just filled with implications, and for our day! Let me explain it to you. Let me explain on one simple verse in the Torah and get you pumped up! In the 7th month (what does it typify). The 1st day of the 7th month of the Lord’s calendar is the Fall Equinox….. It just so happens that 2011 is the only year in this decade when the Fall Equinox falls on September 23rd. On every other year the Fall Equinox is September 22nd. Why is it the year 2011? ”

The more I study and ponder this, and view the typological message embedded in the seven year cycles of the LDS foundation movement, the more it appears that the Autumnal Fall Equinox may possibly be more significant than the commonly accepted dates for the feast of trumpets….

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Rock Waterman says:

September 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm

Man, Watcher, you remind me of Ogden Kraut as to the depth and breadth of your knowledge. Something you said in your response to me got me thinking:

“A possible case can be made for the practice of biblical polygamy in the church before that time, but not the spiritual wife doctrine of sealing wives for eternity for a higher salvation.”

Are you saying that it’s possible that God didn’t care so much that some of the Saints were adopting plural marriage, but that what he didn’t like was the doctrine requiring it?

I actually would find that acceptable, as it is consistent with God allowing mankind to live as they prefer as long as they are doing no harm to others (the doctrine of free agency). On the other hand, the minute the church leadership claimed it to be a requirement from on high, that constituted taking the Lord’s name in vain; i.e. claiming God’s voice in a matter where none existed. What think ye, my friend?

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 9, 2010 at 6:51 pm

“Man, Watcher, you remind me of Ogden Kraut”

I take that as a great compliment as I personally knew Ogden and had some interesting discussions with him.

I had him and Anne over to my home once and also spoke with him at a Sunstone conference shortly after the flood.

He put it all on the line and sacrificed a lot for his beliefs and for his perception of what the Savior wanted him to do.

While I don’t agree with his stance on the spiritual wife doctrine I have immense respect for the guy and for the tremendous amount of research he did.

“Are you saying that it’s possible that God didn’t care so much that some of the Saints were adopting plural marriage, but that what he didn’t like was the doctrine requiring it?”

I think it is hard to deny that God allowed the children of Israel to practice polygamy, as well as some of the other patriarchs.

Of course the children of Israel had rejected the higher law (which I believe would have required monogamy) and thus they were given a lesser law to live that allowed for polygamy.

It makes sense to me that once the latter day saints rejected the higher law, they were allowed to live a lesser law which very possibly allowed the agency to live polygamy.

“Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols. Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live… to the end that they might know that I am the Lord” Ezek 20:24-26

( I may be a little biased in hoping polygamy was an acceptable practice of the lesser law since I come from the polygamous BY on my Dads side and the polygamous Romneys and Bunkers on my Moms side)

Of course the children of Israel were not teaching or practicing “celestial marriage”, nor were any of the patriarchs… biblical polygamy always seemed to have the raising up of mortal seed as the motivating agenda, as the Book of Mormon seems to indicate.

The “spiritual wife doctrine” is a completely different topic than “biblical polygamy” imho.

“On the other hand, the minute the church leadership claimed it to be a requirement from on high, that constituted taking the Lord’s name in vain; i.e. claiming God’s voice in a matter where none existed.”

I think your characterization is rather profound Rock.

I was raised to think of the phrase “taking the Lords name in vain” in a different way, one having to do with cussing, but frankly, I think the way you are using it is much more accurate and congruent with how the scriptures use it and I think that it fits like a glove in this particular instance.

It is a very serious abomination for anyone to produce a false revelation and teach a false doctrine and attribute it to God if in fact God did not give it…

This is why it is so important to “prove all things” and “hold fast to that which it true” as Paul says.

(It seems to me that the council given by Paul has resulted in the creation of your fine blog. I love the way you fearlessly question things and don’t take anything for granted just because the man behind the curtain in the great land of OZ has put his holy water on it)

I challenge people to critique section 132 verse by verse and compare the doctrines, terms and phrases in it to the remaining scriptures in the four standard works as I have done.

I believe they will find numerous problems with it.

I think the outcome of doing such a project will be troublesome for those who think they need multiple wives to gain the greatest inheritance.

Analysis of Section 132

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cds says:

September 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm

Watcher, Great post as usual! I’m an Investment Manager at a local CU here in Vegas. Yes, I’m a moneychanger working in Babylon, but of course I did not know that when I graduated from BYU in 1986. At this point I’ve been trying to keep people out of the market, not a good practice for making money but my conscience is better off for it. I have been following Matt Simmons for years, especially on the financial sense newshour podcast. http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/archive

He always confused me whether he was for the people or for the PTB. But I have to think he was definitely on our side at the end. Not only his honesty about the Gulf but also what he was currently involved in which probably made the PTB even angrier.
As providing cheap energy is not in their agenda, you can see it here… http://www.oceanenergy.org/
I don’t know where you got that information on the possible events of his murder but that is what I suspected.
A few other notes/questions:In Joseph 7:12 do you feel that’s a reference to Food Storage. I’ve been leaning more to trust in the Lord is what is meant than to trust in a food supply. I know Egypt is used as reference to the USA in prophecy, would Pharoah in verse 15 be in reference to Jesus? I think it’s amazing how these verses match up so seamlessly with Oliver Cowdrey’s blessing, there is just no way this could be made up or done without God being involved in that blessing.
Can’t wait for things to start unfolding. Here in Vegas I have a first hand view of how the elite, have just raped and pillaged us. Don’t know if you ever listen to the Watchman’s Cry but I believe he’s sincere and a man of god and he is saying the same type of things about the Gulf, the worst is yet to come. http://www.watchmanscry.com/
cds

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 9, 2010 at 9:24 pm

“I’m an Investment Manager at a local CU here in Vegas. Yes, I’m a moneychanger working in Babylon, but of course I did not know that when I graduated from BYU in 1986. At this point I’ve been trying to keep people out of the market, not a good practice for making money but my conscience is better off for it.”

What you said at the end of the quote above is almost word for word what my son says. He is a financial planner for a chain of credit unions in Utah and he is passing up the big commissions by keeping his clients out of the more risky investments… because he, like you, was endowed with a conscience.

When Babylon bites the one, you and he are going to need to take your phones of the hook and go fishing..

There are very few jobs in Babylon that don’t present a conflict of interest to the moral and spiritual dimensions of our lives in one way or the other.

As I have said before, this is what we get because we have chosen the economics and ethics of Adam Smith instead of the law of consecration revealed by Joseph Smith!

Those that think they have left Babylon are pissing in the wind imho.. there will be a specified time when God calls us out of Babylon, until then, all we can do is let our conscience be our guide and do the best we can to survive and provide for our family.

“A few other notes/questions:In Joseph 7:12 do you feel that’s a reference to Food Storage. I’ve been leaning more to trust in the Lord is what is meant than to trust in a food supply.”

Although I have a fairly good food storage, I have felt that the oil in our lamps is the HG and we are ultimately going to have to live by faith and by trusting in the Lord.

The blessing seems to indicate that JS will be directing the gathering of food directly from the fields rather than from each of us that have kept a personal storage.

I love the part of the blessing that tells how Joseph will direct the filling up of the storehouse… although that seems to indicate that our first years in Zion will not be in a spiritual/metaphysical dimension but rather a real life temporal one.

Your question about the typological significance of Pharaoh is a fascinating one that I have not pondered. I love how you think.

I have listened to Watchmans Cry from time to time and have enjoyed it.

thank you for the links

It is good to hear from you again cds, keep the faith in the city of sin and remember, that which is done in Vegas, stays in Vegas…

or something like that.

Watcher

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 15, 2010 at 5:17 pm

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/censored-gulf-news-gulf-coasters-trail-of-tears-evacuees-flee-for-health-and-safety

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 18, 2010 at 10:39 am

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 20, 2010 at 10:12 am

The smart money says there is going to be a huge drop in “RED OCTOBER”

Another round of wealth transference is coming-

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Rock Waterman says:

September 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm

Well, what a surprise!

A government commission created ostensibly to get to the bottom of things seems to actually be trying to cover up and whitewash the truth.

Unheard of!

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 24, 2010 at 11:08 am

Wednesday 22nd September, 2010
A force in space is hindering the journey of a NASA spacecraft.

Scientists have been baffled by a mysterious phenomenon that has prevented the craft from moving further into outer space.

Described as a force that defies all laws of nature, they have said gravity laws may eventually need to be changed.

Defying all previously-known theories about the universe, the strange force that gently pushes spacecraft away from outer space was discovered last year when the spacecraft Pioneer 10 was stopped in its path by the unknown phenomenon.

Researchers for NASA have said the force could be a totally new phenomenon that does not fall under familiar titles such as gravity or electromagnetic power.

Strange how its not reported in western media news..

[link to http://www.zambianews.net]
[link to http://www.alarabiya.net]

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James Steven Graham says:

September 28, 2010 at 12:53 am

OWW,

Can you give the links for the spacecraft story?

Thanks, Steve

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  September 28, 2010 at 2:19 am
  
  Try one of these Steve-
  
  http://story.argentinastar.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/c08dd24cec417021/id/688472/cs/1/
  
  http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/mystery-force-in-space-baffles
  
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onewhoiswatching says:

September 28, 2010 at 2:23 am

My wife found this three part series of a guy that is speculating the same timeline with something happening in or before October…

Interestingly, you uses the 400 year prophecy as a prophecy cycle which applies to America even though he does not acknowledge that America is literal Israel

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 28, 2010 at 1:13 pm

The Gulf of Mexico is a biological time bomb that is undoubtedly evolving into a chemically induced breeding ground for mutating viruses. All the aspects exist in the Gulf right now and have been established for over three months. Their ongoing manipulated evolution into a viral plague or viral epidemic is evident, yet has been ignored…

But far more important is that Corexit is mutagen when in the presence of bacteria, for which the Gulf of Mexico is a primary aquatic source…

The Gulf of Mexico is a breeding ground for a pandemic viral plague primarily because of the chemical mutagens being dumped into the water in vast quantities that we may never be able to properly verify. The use of Corexit is no different than adding gasoline to a small fire. The explosive result is the same…

The Blue Plague may not just be evolving any longer. It may have already started to mature and replicate in immeasurable amounts…

All it takes for the Blue Plague to become a worldwide epidemic is for a minuscule cluster of viral infected bacteria to be immersed in a chemical mutagen, such as Corexit. The potential results could easily make the 1918 Spanish Flu look minor in comparison…

While those of us living on the Gulf Coast go about our daily lives, a time bomb is ticking louder and louder in the Gulf of Mexico. It’s not a matter of if there are mutant viruses present: It’s a matter of when that first cluster will spread – if it hasn’t started to already – and how fast it will become a pandemic of astronomical proportions…

The entire article is posted at

http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=958

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onewhoiswatching says:

September 28, 2010 at 6:50 pm

11 ¶ For thus saith the Lord God; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.
12 By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.
13 I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.
14 Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God.
15 When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I am the Lord.

Ezek 32

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm

The Green COMET can be seen with just a pair of 7 x 50 BINOCULARS as it heads towards Planet EARTH.

This will be a CLOSE ENCOUNTER.
The COMET will come as Close as 11 Million Miles from Earth.

The Moon is about a Quarter Million Miles and the SUN is about 93 Million miles from Earth.

WHAT if Something just pushes the Comet slightly.!!!!

The Comet is expected to ARRIVE on OCT. 20th.
Which is 3 Days before a FULL MOON.

APPROACHING COMET: Green comet 103P/Hartley 2 is approaching Earth for a close encounter on Oct. 20th. At that time, the comet will be only 11 million miles from Earth and should be dimly visible to the naked eye from dark sky sites. It already looks great through backyard telescopes. Italian amateur astronomer Toni Scarmato took this picture on Sept. 29th using a 10-inch reflector:

http://www.spaceweather.com/

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 2, 2010 at 11:22 pm

Interesting quote from a chat board

“First off, I apologize for my thread yesterday that had to do with October 6. The data I used in that article was not researched by me. I took that info from another source that obviously did not know what he was talking about…. however, the actual date of October 6 2010 for a market crash is actually an excellent call when you read what I have researched over the last day. I will provide my research links at the bottom of the page.

I have made a list of the top 10 daily market crashes, in terms of percentage drop, for the DOW JONES over the last 100 years. Basically since 1929.

Here is what I have gleaned from this information.

-60% of the top 10 crashes occurred in OCTOBER

-100% of he top 3 crashes occurred in the Jewish month of TISHREI

-60% of the top 10 crashes occurred in the month of TISHREI +/- 3 days.

-50% of the top 10 crashed occurred on a MONDAY.

-100% of the top 3 crashes occurred during the NEW MOON period.

-70% of the top 10 crashed occurred during the NEW MOON period.
Basically +/- 3 days (on average) from the New Moon!

The NEW MOON PERIOD falls between the Last Quarter and the First Quarter of the moon. The New Moon is between these quarters.

From this information I will now state that there is at least a 50% chance that a MAJOR STOCK MARKET CRASH will occur at any time starting Monday October 4 to Monday October 11.

So what seperates this October from any other October when the Dow Jones did not crash?

The answer is the August 12 2010 manifestation of the HINDENBERG OMEN. Read about the Hindenberg Omen and then take a look at the facts I gleaned from the top 10 crashes and you will see the crash should very well occur this next week, or the following Monday at the latest. The month TISHREI ends this Friday October 8th.

The smart money is all out of the market right now. They’ve been getting out for a few months now. Why do you think gold and silver have done so welll lately?

Lastly, the greatest weekly crash of the Dow Jones occurred almost exactly 2 years ago ( in the month of Tishrei ) which saw the DOW lose something like 19% in value! This crash occurred the week of October 6-10 2008.
Guess what?
On October 1st 2008 the DOW closed at approx 10, 830 points.
Believe it or not, on October 1st 2010 the DOW closed at approx 10, 830.

The New Moon this October falls on Thursday the 7th. BTW, out of the top 10 crashes… none occurred on a Thursday.

Now, if you were a smart investor with lots of money would you leave your money on the table when the odds are 50/50 that you could lose big time? That’s why the smart money has been quietly exiting the game. They know the markets like the back of their hands. They play the odds. They know what to expect at this time of year and when certain fundamental technical chart patterns occur.

Not to scare you but it might be even too late to escape the stock market carnage that is coming. Things could really fall apart hard and fast on Monday.

One more thing. Many people think the markets will be defended ‘tooth and nail’ till after the upcoming November elections…and then after the elections they crash. However, the markets usually do the unexpected, right?

Oh well. Life goes on.
What do ya think of them apples?

Sources:
[link to http://www.hebcal.com]
[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to http://www.youtube.com]“

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Kindra_Arnesen_Suffering_Health_Problems_From_Life_In_Southern_Louisiana

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 7, 2010 at 4:18 pm

As we near the opening of the Marvelous Work, strange things are going to be happening in the earth as well as the heavens.

The earth is groaning.

It is also beginning to expand and contract and open up in some areas…

..Particularly around the great lakes area by where the mound builders were located as well as Kirtland, Jackson and Nauvoo, early LDS places identified as places of future refuge.

Those that have read this article and or similar ones, realize that some of the early LDS gathering places match up closely with some of the ancient Book of Mormon cities, including some that got destroyed at the coming of Christ to North America-

A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement

During the last year numerous sink holes have been appearing as well as cracks in the earth.

These things are only the beginning.

As time goes on, the earth is going to be opening up in various places revealing ancient cities, providing further witness to the Book of Mormon (not that it needs any further witness)

Here is one of the more recent cracks in the earth that mystically appeared in Michigan

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=522312

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Rock Waterman says:

October 7, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Ay, yi yi!

Yesterday I heard Jesse Ventura on the Alex Jones show tell how volunteers had come to offer their assistance with clean up of the gulf. They were turned away by the Powers That Be. Jesse said they don’t know how lucky they were not to get in there and get contaminated.

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 7, 2010 at 4:29 pm

It is truly amazing to me how well the beginning of this global calamity has been kept under wraps.

Yes it is true that alternative media has leaked a lot of information and those who are paying attention do have lots of resources to find this stuff out, nevertheless, I find it amazing how the mainstream media seems to keep the general masses lulled into thinking that all is well.

It will be fascinating to see where, when and how the tipping point will be reached when people begin to flee for their lives from the gulf.

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm

The US Fed is now the second largest owner of US Treasuries.

That’s right, this week we overtook Japan, leaving China as the only country with greater ownership of US Debt. And we’re printing money to buy it…The US will Default on its Debt… either that or experience hyperinflation. There is simply no other option. We can NEVER pay off our debts.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/three-horrifying-facts-about-us-debt-%E2%80%9Csituation%E2%80%9D

Tickerguy On The Dylan Ratigan Show… The Government Has Stolen Our Savings! MASSIVE FRAUD AT HIGHEST LEVELS!

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=168528

Uh, Wee Problem Here On Grains…..

I hope you’re not stuck short on these….

Oats….

Soybeans

Corn

Wheat

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=168582

That’s bad news – those are all lock-limit up.

For those who have never traded commodities, there is a maximum daily price move. When that limit is hit trading stops.

What this means is that it is entirely possible for exactly one trade to go off at the limit price and lock trading. You’re stuck with whatever position you have at that point.

If you’re short and you lock-limit up the good news is that the damage stops (for that day) there.

The bad news is that there’s nothing you can do about the damage, up to and including being driven into a margin call, which can bankrupt you.

This is just pure ugly…… anyone who thinks this is “good news” in some way needs their head examined. This isn’t a single crop, it’s across-the-board.

“Here it comes” in the grains….. and your food prices……

(Report on the wire relating to corn production expecting a poorer harvest… but man, the reflection everywhere else? I don’t think this is that simple.)

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 10, 2010 at 11:28 pm

It looks like this could be the straw that breaks the camels back in the second leg of the global financial meltdown

Absolutely incredible just how deep and intentional the fraud really is!

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Fraud_Factories_Rep_Alan_Grayson_Explains_the_Foreclosure_Fraud_Crisis

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 14, 2010 at 5:44 pm

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/navy-suspended-exercises-over-gulf

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 20, 2010 at 5:45 am

Magnitude 5.9 – GULF OF CALIFORNIA

MAP 4.7 2010/10/20 04:30:38 24.282 -109.266 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.5 2010/10/20 04:15:37 24.532 -109.104 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.9 2010/10/20 04:09:44 24.602 -109.100 13.2 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 3.4 2010/10/20 03:55:43 18.210 -68.726 141.0 DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
MAP 4.9 2010/10/20 03:53:42 -19.344 -174.032 61.4 TONGA
MAP 4.7 2010/10/20 03:39:29 24.764 -108.864 8.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usa000423a.php

“The HAARP facility in Alaska is NOT ALLOWING anyone to see the current day’s Induction Magnetometer’s activity plot!

This is a first! I’ve never been unable to see the current data.

I am not able to view Induction Magnetometer activity data for October 14 through the 20th!!!

The most recent Induction Magnetometer data they are allowing to be seen is for 12-13 October, 2010.

THAT activity is the greatest I have ever seen.”

So… we got a few earthquakes, a comet passing close(ish) to Earth tomorrow, Solar flares acting up, rioting in france, china raising interest rates as their latest move in the currency wars, a major drop in the nekkei, hyperinflation, foreclosuregate and a Full moon on the way.

Other than that, all is well.

oh, ya, and the white house is in crisis

http://theintelhub.com/2010/10/15/wayne-madsen-white-house-in-crisis/

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Rock Waterman says:

October 20, 2010 at 6:05 am

I recall Gerald Celente predicting that after the disastrous Christmas season, there will no longer be any doubt in anyone’s mind that the expected “recovery” ain’t gonna happen. By the first of the year everyone will be forced to acknowledge that the jig is up.

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Great point Rock. I remember Celente saying that.

I also remember him saying that people will be giving food instead of presents for Christmas. I don’t know if things will deteriorate that quickly, but we don’t have long to find out.

Speaking of Celente, I understand he has an interesting rant about the federal reserve on his website.

And speaking about the Federal Reserve, here is an interesting article entitled, “Will the Federal Reserve Cause a Civil War?”

http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2010/10/19/will-the-federal-reserves-next-meeting-lead-to-civil-war/

And speaking about civil war…

Here is a recent speech that is somewhat extreme but thought provoking

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Rock Waterman says:

October 20, 2010 at 7:16 pm

I see nothing extreme about Larken’s speech. He is spot-on about American’s being conditioned to respect and obey any authority that claims rule over them. Look at the average member of the church(TM). What good Mormon would not willingly follow our leaders straight into the New World Order if told it was his patriotic duty by the president of the church.

Mormons don’t even stop to ask if what the Corporation’s “leaders” tell them came by way of revelation. The fools just do whatever they’re told.

That’s why I have long held that the false doctrine of “follow the prophet” is the most insidious heresy present in the church today.

Oh oh. I just got back on my soapbox. Alright, Reign it in, Rock. Take a deep breath.

I need some soup.

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 20, 2010 at 7:23 pm

I am with you brother… pour a cup of soup for me while you are at it.

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 21, 2010 at 12:56 am

Retiring CFTC Judge: We Covered Up Market Manipulation
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NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CFTC SCANDAL:

On September 17, 2010, CFTC Administrative Law Judge, George H Painter, issued a “Notice and Order” announcing his retirement from his position.

In this notice Judge Painter wrote of a conspiracy at the highest levels of the CFTC (within the ENFORCEMENT DIVISION) where a long time judge of 20 years has been conspiring with past CFTC Chairs to RIG THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW by NOT finding ANYONE guilty of market manipulation. Here are Judge Painter’s own words:

“There are two administrative law judges at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission: myself and the Honorable Bruce Levine.

On Judge Levine’s first week on the job, nearly twenty years ago, he came into my office and stated that he had promised Wendy Gramm, then Chairwoman of the Commission, that we would never rule in a complainant’s favor.

A review of his rulings will confirm that he has fulfilled his vow. Judge Levine, in the cynical guise of enforcing the rules, forces pro se complaints to run a hostile procedural gauntlet until they lose hope, and either withdraw their complaint or settle for a pittance, regardless of the merits of the case”

http://www.thedailybell.com/1461/Retiring-CFTC-Judge-We-Covered-Up-Market-Manipulation.html

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1620334658&play=1

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onewhoiswatching says:

October 28, 2010 at 12:00 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/heres-roundup-some-gulf-oil-headlines-last-4-days

There is a flood of information coming out on the Gulf oil spill.

Why?

The reappearance of huge plumes of oil is making it hard to pretend that it has all gone away.

Here’s a roundup of some of the Gulf oil headlines from just the last 4 days:

* More Independent Scientists Report “Vast Volumes of Oil Present on Seafloor”; Independent Research AGAIN Directly Contradicts NOAA/Coast Guard Findings

* EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Confirmed Fish Kill on Grand Isle; “Overpowering Stench of Death and Decay” Coming From BP “Death Mounds”

* Coast Guard Claims That Miles-Long Expanse of Oil on Gulf Surface Is Algae; Boat Captain: “I’ve never seen algae that looked orange, that was sticky, smelled like oil and that stuck to the boat and had to be cleaned off with solvent”

* “They are dying” says registered nurse working in Florida — I’m seeing “people who have been chemically poisoned”

* Valdez Toxicologist: “People are dropping dead now” — “I don’t think we’ll have to wait years to see the effects like we did in Alaska”

* State officials admit: “Worried about FISHERY COLLAPSES, based on the collapse of the herring fishery” after the Exxon Valdez

* “I’m scared of what I’m finding” says chemist — Corexit combines with oil to generate new compounds, many with “double bonds”

* Fishermen Report Louisiana Bays Filled With Oil

* NEW TEST RESULTS: 8 out of 8 Blood Samples from BP Cleanup Workers Test Positive For Toxic Chemicals Found in BP Oil

* Feds Are Allowing BP to Leave Oil on Gulf Beaches

* Chemist: Women more at risk — “Bleeding from their vagina and anus. Small kids are bleeding from their ears. This stuff is busting red blood cells”

* Submerged oil surfaces: Fishermen say 10 MILE patch of brown foam “5 INCHES THICK with red swirls of oil”

* “They are literally shrimping in oil” says eyewitness — “It’s criminal” that officials keep waters open

* Catfish in lagoon “suffering burns across their heads and bodies” (VIDEO)

* Researchers discover oil plume drifting 300 miles from Macondo well (VIDEO)

Go to the link for links and all the other news….

BP LIES AGAIN, THE MSM IGNORES IT… THE GULF DIES… BP CONTINUES MAKING MONEY…

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onewhoiswatching says:

November 18, 2010 at 8:04 pm

Eric Cantona, ” Kill the Banks!”

Some people feel that Eric Cantona is one of the greatest soccer players of all time.

In this interview he proposes a rather extreme way to protest.

Kill the Banks!

He is suggesting that we are not insignificant powerless dupes that have to put up with all the nonsense

He points out that there is a non violent way to have a revolution…

There is an organized event planned for Dec 7 in France that could begin to go viral globally…

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rockwaterman1 says:

November 18, 2010 at 10:46 pm

Great idea, but if this catches fire, I’d advise withdrawing your money before the big day, as the banks don’t have anywhere near the money on hand that they claim to.

Of course, this assumes, I believe, that people intend to withdraw their savings. Anyone who still has anything in the bank more than necessary to conduct a little ATM business or grocery shopping is not very well informed. I keep just enough money in the bank to use to pay the bills online. Anything more than that does not make sense.

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  November 18, 2010 at 10:58 pm
  
  You are absolutely right… the amount of actual paper and coinage in the system is only a fraction of the digital currency that has been created. A run on the banks would be disastrous for a lot of people who would be turned away.
  
  I agree it is a great idea if it forces the powers to be to repent and reform, however, if they don’t, and if it catches fire, it will bring Babylon down and our fiat paper will be worthless… followed by riots in the streets.
  
  I guess I am really lucky to live in abject poverty and not have any money to worry about LOL
  
  I am afraid divine deliverance is our only hope.
  
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rockwaterman1 says:

November 19, 2010 at 1:03 am

You’re in abject poverty too? Why doesn’t somebody pay us to maintain our blogs?

Just to clarify, I would really like to see a sudden run on the banks take place on one day, not a gradual one. I’m just saying the smart folks won’t be waiting until the set date, because they’ll be left holding nothing. But it certainly will wake them up.

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onewhoiswatching says:

November 19, 2010 at 9:45 pm

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onewhoiswatching says:

December 18, 2010 at 12:43 am

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/For_The_World_Press

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onewhoiswatching says:

December 24, 2010 at 5:14 pm

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/RED_ALERT

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onewhoiswatching says:

January 3, 2011 at 5:35 pm

Malachi pointed this out to me for those interested in the topic of Nibiru, you might find this interesting

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Waiting says:

January 4, 2011 at 4:07 am

Regarding the last video posted, I certainly don’t doubt planet nibiru’s existence. I do question the claims about aliens on it and stuff. But I certainly don’t doubt the possibility of it passing by the earth and causing all sorts of natural phenomena. I don’t doubt that it could be the grand sign spoken of by Joseph Smith saying the world will say its a planet or comet, etc.

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onewhoiswatching says:

January 28, 2011 at 6:19 pm

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1017.html

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deej says:

January 31, 2011 at 8:11 am

Again, I’m coming into this late, but I am reading the sealing the testimony posts regarding the evil gift and section 76. I can’t seem to get into the evil gift link. I click on it and it says I need to be invited. If this is the case, can i be? Also, I can’t find the final entry in that series. The one regarding the explanation of the evil gift and how to discern between true and false prophets. I’d like more information on this please. Thanks

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  January 31, 2011 at 10:10 pm
  
  deej-
  
  That other blogsite and the last blog of the series you are referring to are somewhat time sensitive.
  
  I am waiting for the right time to present the concepts within them.
  
  I apologize for the delay in posting the last part of that series and also making the other site available, it is just that some type of an event is going to need to take place to jult people and change their paradigm before most people will accept the information presented therein.
  
  Thank you for visiting
  
  Watcher
  
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Sunlight says:

March 4, 2011 at 6:08 pm

onewhoiswatching,

Just because God allows people to do something, doesn’t mean it’s ok & he condones it & they won’t be damned for it.

I appears you feel that people can/could live polygamy anciently or in modern times, & not receive severe eternal consequences for it.

There doesn’t appear to be any evidence that God commanded polygamy in the Bible. Rather it appears men & women were weak & fell for it, for it was rampant back then & they learned the hard way that it wasn’t the right thing.

Polygamy has always been the natural carnal desire of most men. It is just one more way they can abuse, control & collect women & not have to have ‘true love’ & respect & honor woman’s true equality in marriage or society.

If people are not willing to live the high law of monogamy & true love, then anything lower will exclude them from Exaltation & the Celestial Kingdom.

Lower laws are not commandments, it was God’s way of trying to keep wicked people from becoming even more wicked. Living lower laws are not going to get anyone to the Celestial Kingdom.

Polygamy in any form or for any reason is & always has been, one of the most vile abuses to women ever known. And just because a woman agrees & goes along with polygamy & says she likes it, doesn’t mean it’s not abuse or that God is ok with it since she gave consent. It is still a great sin for a woman to ‘allow’ a man to abuse her by polygamy & thus teach their children to do the same.

As unthinkable as it is, most women now & throughout history appear to prefer to be abused by their husbands rather than to expect respect & equality from them. For asking for respect & being equal requires too much work & responsibility for most women, so they usually would rather be treated like a slave then a queen. Go figure.

It’s hard to believe I know, for me too, for I’m a woman, but that seems to be true reality for almost every women I know. Trying to get them to expect respect from their husbands is like asking them if they want to go to hell. Most fight it & become angry that they would have to take on so much responsibility in marriage.

When you understand the doctrines of ‘true love & women’s total equality’ you can see clearly through any form of polygamy as just another form of spouse abuse & control by men that most women are weak & desperate enough to go along with.

God never authorizes or condones spouse abuse, in any form, though he will allow men to damn themselves by doing it & he will allow women to go along with it, so they hopefully eventually learn if even by pain, which seems to be the only way most people will learn anything.

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  March 4, 2011 at 8:13 pm
  
  “onewhoiswatching, Just because God allows people to do something, doesn’t mean it’s ok & he condones it & they won’t be damned for it. I appears you feel that people can/could live polygamy anciently or in modern times, & not receive severe eternal consequences for it. There doesn’t appear to be any evidence that God commanded polygamy in the Bible.”
  
  Sunlight-
  
  You can talk about the evils of polygamy all day long and you won’t get any argument from me. I have no use for it. All of the fruits I have observed from it appear to be evil, at least as far as the dynamics of the marital relationship are concerned.
  
  I have taken a strong doctrinal stand, showing from the scriptures that it does not constitute the higher law of marriage. Clearly, celestial law requires a monogamous marriage when the fulness of the gospel is on the earth.
  
  Clearly polygamy is NOT a required practice/ritual/ordinance for entrance into the celestial kingdom.
  
  By the same token however, I cannot, in good conscience, categorically condemn everyone who has ever practiced it.
  
  To make such a claim, I would need to find scriptural justification to do so.
  
  In the case of Abraham, for instance, who apparently may have practiced some form of it in ancient times, the scriptures speak very favorably of his relationship with God.. during his mortal life and in the hereafter.
  
  Abraham obtained a promise from God that has blessed countless people, including you and me. Abraham was ultimately faithful to God. He became a friend of God, which probably means that he became a Son of God…. making his calling and election sure.
  
  I have every reason to believe that Abraham will be saved in the highest kingdom of God.
  
  I feel the same way about Moses, who took a mans life and eventually, after leading the children of Israel out of bondage, he sinned again before God and was refused entrance into the promised land. He sinned, but he did not fall from grace. He is one of the great ones of the kingdom.
  
  I believe people like Moses and Abraham and others lived during a different time and possibly a different dispensation than the one I live in. I am not going to pass judgment on a man as great as Abraham was. If you are aware of some scriptures I am unaware of that prove that Abraham fell from grace and will be damned for eternity, please enlighten me.
  
  I feel your anger and pain. You are probably justified in feeling passionate about this topic based on your life experiences. Possibly you have been the victim of polygamy and/or other forms of physical, emotional or spiritual abuse, but you need to temper your anger with the facts and with the word of God and with compassion for your fellow beings
  
  I am hoping for the same grace and compassion from God that he bestowed upon Abraham and Moses and I suspect you would like to obtain it as well.
  
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Sunlight says:

March 4, 2011 at 10:32 pm

I do appreciate the things you post in defense of women & there is much that I agree with you on. I can tell & appreciate that you are not a real supporter of polygamy.

But we must remember that ‘allowance’ of evil or ‘excusing’ some sort of loop hole for it, is also a type of support & encouragement to do evil.

Righteous men protect women 100% in every instance & have zero tolerance for any form of abuse, like polygamy. Think of Moroni & how strongly he felt about protecting women & children & he had ‘perfect’ understanding about it all. If he were here today I’m sure he would be filled with righteous indignation at what is going on & what has gone one, even with polygamy, far more than he ever was before.

Polygamy is always abusive to women & children, in every single instance, no matter what man is doing it. A Prophet, of all men, would be the least likely to live polygamy & for he would rather die than hurt his wife so. To be a Prophet one must 1st have true love for his wife or he would never be worthy of such a position or even the Spirit.

Even if God were to authorize polygamy in some rare instance, which I do not believe he ever has, it would not change the abusiveness of it. And it would definately not be handled like anything we have ever seen or heard done. A man would have his wife do all the choosing & deciding of how it would be done. I do give Abraham credit, that he did handle his short experience with polygamy right, having Sarah choose & end it at her will.

But if God ever did command polygamy it would just mean that he would be asking men to abuse their wives.

Which goes against every doctrine ever taught by Christ. So it seems to me it is impossible for God to ever ask such a thing.

Compassion does not include allowance for or minimizing of abuse. Everyone born upon this earth must eventually come to know & live the same laws & commandments to receive the same blessings, no matter what time period they lived in.

Everyone born on earth has had the same ability to pray & receive revelation from God as anyone else. It is no easier today to find & live the truth then it was in any other time period.

If true love & faithfulness for a spouse is required of me to receive Exaltation, it is required of Abraham or any other Prophet or person through the ages. God is no respector of persons.

But it appears Abraham & Sarah repented of living polygamy with Hagar. So Abraham could have very well went on to receive all the blessings God had for him. We must remember that we must take the Bible with a huge grain of sale, for much during the ages has been left out, altered & added that isn’t correct. Only the Holy Spirit can fill in the blanks for us.

Moses also could have repented from his sins & gone on to receive his Exaltation.

Polygamy, like most everything else, is possible to repent from, if done in this life.

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onewhoiswatching says:

March 5, 2011 at 10:24 am

“We must remember that we must take the Bible with a huge grain of salt”

Sunlight-

I find myself somewhat perplexed that you have brought your polygamy diatribe to this blog.

You have been preaching to the choir.

Nobody I am aware of in the bloggernacle has addressed the polygamy issue from a scriptural point of view as passionately or in such detail as I have, in an effort to demonstrate that it is not part of the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I have absolutely dissected the topic from top to bottom to show that the spiritual wife doctrine is a false doctrine and that the practice of polygamy cannot be considered a celestial principle from the viewpoint of God’s holy and infallible word.

I can only assume that you have not even read the four or five lengthy and detailed articles I have written on the topic.

That being said, I am so disturbed by some of your recent comments that I am going to be compelled to make a detailed response to them in my next blog, rather than in this comment section.

Some of the statements you made in your last comments are so incredibly false and repugnant that I simply cannot abstain from providing a detailed response to them.

After reading your last remarks I tried to just let them go and not keep responding to you… but you have hit a nerve with me and you have challenged the very foundational purpose and premise of this blog.

You came to the wrong place to spread you unfounded disdain and disrespect for the holy word of God.

More on this in my next post.

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Steve says:

March 5, 2011 at 8:34 pm

While I believe in the principle of plural marriage, despite the failures of so many to live it in a manner that would bring joy, I join with watcher in opposing the words of the poster who presumes to judge all of those who have ever lived it. You are my sister and I am sorry if there have been men who brought you anguish in your relationship with them. But there is little wisdom in setting yourself up as a judge to condemn those you have known and the millions you have not known. Did the Lord call you to this position? If not, I would advise you to let God judge His sons and daughters.

In the latter days we will see 7 women — presumably of their own volition — seek after a man, not for food and clothing, but to take their shame away. And if this is of God, will you decry that too?

Steve

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thechiefinspector says:

March 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm

A little sobering reality regarding china

http://www.youtube.com/user/cruiseshipjobsguru

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onewhoiswatching says:

May 31, 2013 at 7:56 pm

http://www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/Star-BW.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,0,1229

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Ryan says:

October 20, 2013 at 6:28 am

Did you know that Gordon B. Hickley used Gen. 41 and Pharaoh’s dream in the Oct. Priesthood session of 1998 and then again 7 years later in the October 2005 Priesthood session?

I find that interesting.

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  October 20, 2013 at 7:01 am
  
  I suppose it is interesting in the context of the prophecy in the Book of Joseph and the fact that the seven years of famine is brought up and also how the seven year transfer of wealth may take place at the same time and also appears to have begun in 08.
  
  I also find it interesting because it is so unusual for him to quote scripture.
  
  Most of the current General Authorities now prefer to quote famous poets, business leaders and philosophers and past general authorities of the Utah church.
  
  Another interesting thing about his 08 talk is that he used his common disclaimer to make sure that people understood that he was not acting under the spirit of prophecy. He said, “Now brethren I want to make it very clear, that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future..”
  
  I appreciate his honesty in frequently clarifying that he is void of prophetic inspiration and revelation.
  
  One of his favorite statements that peppered many of his talks was the declaration that “We” and “I” “don’t know what the future holds”
  
  Exactly the oposite of what Joseph would have declared….. Very revealing.
  
  Lord God please return your prophets to this generation!
  
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JennyP1969 says:

October 22, 2013 at 9:46 am

Steve mentioned above the prophecy that in the latter-day seven women will cling to one man. I read where Avrahim Gileadi explains this as seven women symbolize wards and one man symbolizes stakes. Seven wards will cling to one stake and say, we will provide for ourselves, but please let us cling to you and take your name to take away our reproach. He says it’s part of the cleansing and repentance of the church. Thoughts?

Also regarding this same prophecy from Isaiah, recently I was studying this blog about the Morley farm experiences and was pondering on that for the rest of the evening. As always I prayed for the Spirit to help me discern truth, and for further truth to be made known. While I was pondering the events at the Morley farm my mind suddenly “saw” the phrase “seven women shall cling to one man” and I “heard” the thought “this is when women go to a sperm bank to conceive a child.” Such an idea never occurred to me before. These women earn their own money, pay their own bills, buy their own clothes, etc. But for whatever reason they haven’t found someone to marry or who will marry them. So they go to these places, look through pictures and backgrounds for suitable donors and begin the process of in vitro fertilization to take away their sorrow (reproach) for not becoming mothers. Though many men are donors, not many are chosen. Women tend to pick among a relatively choice few–seven women cling to one man. Calling themselves by his name is not literal, but symbolic of claiming his seed to conceive a child. It foretells of this time when women no longer have to marry to become mothers. Upon further pondering and prayer I have seen where men will be with many different women–several women seeking the same popular and charismatic man, have children by him, but bear them out of wedlock and raise them on their own. So many children are raised without their fathers now–40%, I recently read. I used to think this prophecy was all about polygamy, but now I think that’s not the case.

Watcher, I would appreciate your insights.

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  October 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm
  
  Jenny
  
  You said
  
  “I read where Avrahim Gileadi explains this as seven women symbolize wards and one man symbolizes stakes. Seven wards will cling to one stake and say, we will provide for ourselves, but please let us cling to you and take your name to take away our reproach. He says it’s part of the cleansing and repentance of the church. Thoughts?”
  
  That interpretation simply doesn’t resonate with me. It seems very strange. Of course Gileadi is coming from the perspective that the organized LDS stakes today are legitimate in the eyes of God. I don’t agree with that, I believe that when God rejected the church with its dead, it basically reverted to a tribe of believers that had Levitical priesthood and the common belief in the Book of Mormon, etc.
  
  You also said:
  
  “So many children are raised without their fathers now–40%, I recently read. I used to think this prophecy was all about polygamy, but now I think that’s not the case.”
  
  You bring up a fascinating observation. Women come into this world with the innate desire and need to bring forth life. This desire that God puts in them has to do with one of their main priesthood callings. Godly men desire to have posterity while worldly men just desire to spread their seed far and side for lustful reasons.
  
  It is truly a sign of the times that so many women are finding ways to continue fulfilling their priesthood assignments even though there are fewer and fewer men that have the desire to participate in parenthood.
  
  There certainly could be something typological about what is taking place. Nevertheless, I do tend to be a literalist. I suspect that Isaiah is identifying a time when anarchy is taking place and women are negotiating a temporal agreement with a man for their own safety.
  
  Thank you for your insightful observations and thoughts
  
  Watcher
  
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JennyP1969 says:

October 22, 2013 at 9:55 am

By the way, this post on The Curse and the Calamity is completely riveting! Will we know Joseph and Sidney have returned? How do you see things today, compared to when you wrote this in 2010? Does the lowering of missionary age in 2012 mean anything regarding the seven-year cycles?

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Ryan says:

October 23, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Watcher,

You said…

“That interpretation simply doesn’t resonate with me. It seems very strange. Of course Gileadi is coming from the perspective that the organized LDS stakes today are legitimate in the eyes of God. I don’t agree with that, I believe that when God rejected the church with its dead, it basically reverted to a tribe of believers that had Levitical priesthood and the common belief in the Book of Mormon, etc.”

In light of that comment it doesn’t resonate with Jospeh’s prophecy in March 1841:

Joseph to be Vindicated – Saints to be Scattered

“¶ And I prophecy that the day will come when you will say Oh that we had given heed … And bondage Death and destruction are close at our heels The Kingdom will NOT be broken up but … we shall be scattered and driven gathered again & then dispersed reestablished & driven abroad and so on until the Ancient of days shall sit and the kingdom and power thereof shall the be given to the Saints and they shall possess it forever and ever, which may God hasten for Christs sake Amen.”

http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1841/21Mar41.html

That the kingdom (Church) would be scattered yes, but broken up, no.

Isn’t it because we are now scattered (D&C 115:3) that we are now led by the Q of 12 (D&C 107:33)?

If all we had was the Levitical priesthood, then baptism is the only ordinance that we would have a right to perform.

I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t know all there is to know about this topic, which is why I’m here 🙂

What does that say about the Gospel of Abraham and the Patriarchal priesthood?

Do we not have that now either? When was it lost?

I might need to re-read some of your blog posts.

Which reminds me, is there a place where I can get a list if them all? I have the PDF from 3 watches and then a few are listed here from LDSA’s site and the then there are a few listed on you homepage here, but that’s not all of them. I keep finding links to ones I haven’t read in the comment section of some of your blogs.

Thanks!

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  October 23, 2013 at 9:00 pm
  
  I beleive the fulness was lost in 1834 or earlier when gospel law was rejected and the fulness of the priesthood was rejected.
  
  I beleive the priesthood offices within patriarchal priesthood (which is always on the earth) were lost when the Lord rejected the church with their dead.
  
  To be rejected as a church by the Lord, in my opinion, is to not be acknowledged as a church, with the associated rights and full saving ordinances.
  
  The good news is that the saints continued as a tribal identity that continues with the mandate to take the word of God to all nations and to witness of the name of Christ. We have successfully taken the KNOWLEDGE OF THE FULNESS OF THE GOSPEL to the house of Israel. The fact that we have packaged and presented ourselves as a church, is secondary to the fact that we have continued to take the Book of Mormon to the world.
  
  The fact that we call ourselves a church and call ourselves by his name, does not mean that he looks at things that way. I would love for someone to show me why His unconditional promise to reject the church did not come to fruition.
  
  I suppose if he was the same kind of parent that I am where I continually make threats and seldom make good on them, then, perhaps we could take comfort in the possibility that he just decided to not follow through, however, everything I read about Him seems to indicated that he keeps his word.
  
  Two things for you to consider about the quote you used in your response.
  
  #1 It is after the church was “reestablished” that they are driven abroad. We know that Brigham reestablished the church by requiring everyone to get baptised under his direction and authority. Hence, that is not very comforting with regard to current church being the true church. Secondly, the church was under condemnations when they entered Nauvoo. We need more than just the continuation of the Nauvoo church, even if God hadn’t rejected them.
  
  #2 If you will go to the passage in Daniel that Joseph is paraphrasing, you will see that the horn “makes war with the saints and prevails against them” UNTIL that ancient of days returns.
  
  #3 “The Kingdom will NOT be broken up but…” A contextual understanding of the kingdom not being broken up is provided in several places. One is the book of Daniel which makes it clear that the kingdom is not possessed by the saints until AFTER the Ancient of Days returns.
  
  Another great reference is the prophetic dream in section 65 which describes how the kingdon will return in the 3rd watch. It informs us that the kingdom will come down with one sent down from above whose is mighty and powerful uttering similar words to John the Baptist saying, “prepare ye the way of the Lord…” It is at this time that the keys of the kingdom of God are committed again to men on the earth.
  
  Probably the best current option for finding articles is at this link
  
  “http://thechiefinspector.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/blog-listing.pdf
  
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Wanderer says:

February 11, 2014 at 6:52 am

I hate to ask because I am sure this has been argued by academics numerous times; I just have not seen the explanation. Why does the marriage of Adam and Eve before the fall not have value in portraying the principle of celestial marriage?

Also, I knew many people were re-baptized during BY time but your above comment appears to indicate that every member did. Would you elaborate? Thank you

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- onewhoiswatching says:
  
  February 11, 2014 at 10:13 am
  
  “I hate to ask because I am sure this has been argued by academics numerous times; I just have not seen the explanation. Why does the marriage of Adam and Eve before the fall not have value in portraying the principle of celestial marriage?”
  
  Incredibly insightful my friend.
  
  “Also, I knew many people were re-baptized during BY time but your above comment appears to indicate that every member did. Would you elaborate? Thank you”
  
  I don’t have the documentation handy but my recollection is that EVERYBODY had to get re-baptized when they came to Utah
  
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