“The Man of Sin”

BTW regarding the series I did on the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood at the Morley Farm…

You will remember that at least two people testified that the Prophet Joseph Smith had stated that the “Man of Sin” would be revealed during that special conference.

I saw Joseph Smith the Prophet when he first came to Kirtland, and was with him in the first conference held in that place, which was in a small school house. When he arose in our midst he said that before the conference closed there were those present who should see the heavens open and bear record of the coming of the Son of Man, and that the man of sin should be revealed. While he talked he laid his hand upon the head of Lyman Wight. He then laid his left hand upon the head of Harvey Whitlock. Lyman Wight stepped into the middle of the room and bore record of the coming of the Son of Man. Then Harvey Whitlock stepped into the middle of the room with his arms crossed, bound by the power of Satan, and his mouth twisted unshapely. Elder Philo Dibble

Apparently Joseph had prophesied of the revealing of the Man of Sin the previous day as well.

John Whitmer notes that “Joseph Smith Jr. Prophecied the day Previous that the man of Sin should be revealed


Obviously, God had revealed to Joseph what was going to take place at the special conference in advance.


In case it has not occurred to you, Joseph Smith was prophesying not only that the Man of Sin would be revealed, he was using the exact phrase that had been used by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament.


He was identifying a prophetic event that had been prophesied in the New Testament by the Apostle Paul.


The Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Thessalonians JST



CHAPTER 2

The apostasy, and the man of sin. [Summary provided by JS]

3 Let no man deceive you by any means; for there shall come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

9 Yea, the Lord, even Jesus, whose coming is not until after there cometh a falling away, by the working of Satan with all power, and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth;

In other words, Paul was explaining to the New Testament Saints that at a later time, in the latter days, the Man of Sin would be revealed. The ability of the Man of Sin to show forth his own power and signs and lying wonders would be manifest at the time of the beginning of the falling away, prior to the Coming of Christ. It would culminate many years later during the coming of Christ with the consuming of the Man of Sin who will be sitting in the temple of God

That amazing prophetic event of the Man of Sin being revealed, according to the prophetic utterance of Paul, would mark the beginning of the latter day “falling away” because of those who would not receive the truth at that time… they would rather believe a lie.

Instead of the pure and simple sanctifying endowment of the Holy Ghost, they would delight in take upon them signs and tokens of a false covenant. (see Mal 3:1)

Instead of becoming sanctified of the Spirit through the baptism of fire, the unbelievers received a strong delusion…

Just one more interesting fact about the mysterious special conference at the Morley Farm… it marked the prophetic time period of the revealing of the Man of Sin.. which was the beginning of the latter day “falling away”.

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17 Responses to “The Man of Sin”

  1. CaliMom says:

    I haven’t been able to see the Morely Farm series I keep reading about it elsewhere in your blog making me anxious to read it! Is there a secret entrance you can point me to? Thanks!

  2. NEPT says:

    Hey Watcher,

    Was BY at the Morley farm conference?

  3. I’ll bet I know where you wanted to go with that one… but NO… he was not.

    As I pointed out in one of the posts, it is interesting to note that Lyman Wight and Brigham Young both heard the gospel message at about the same time.

    Howeer, Brigham took TWO YEARS thinking things over.

    He did not join until after the special conference at the Morley Farm.

    I really think the term “man of sin” refers to Satan or Cain. It is at a later time after the revealing of Satans power during the 2nd watch that the Satanic possession of the “Son of Perdition” takes place during the 3rd watch.

    2nd Thess speaks first about the revealing of the man of sin.. it is at a later time that the Son of Perdition makes his appearance… who ever he is…

  4. CaliMom says:

    Thank you. I had found and scanned the later parts of the series, but not the beginning. I was thinking they were to be found in your blog that is password protected that I keep running into – that is why I asked! I should have kept searching 🙂

  5. NEPT says:

    I don’t read 2nd Thess as pertaining to two different entities. Verses 3 and 4 seem to say “that man of sin” is the very same “son of perdition.” I don’t get two different time frames out of that. Want to help me out?

  6. “I don’t read 2nd Thess as pertaining to two different entities. Verses 3 and 4 seem to say “that man of sin” is the very same “son of perdition.” I don’t get two different time frames out of that. Want to help me out?”

    Great point NEPT.

    Thank you for bringing that up and giving me the opportunity to clarify and provide more detail as to why I have said what I have.

    I agree with you that verse 3 and 4 seem to be talking about the same time period.

    Before I began studying about the special conf at the Morley Farm I certainly interpreted it the way you did. In fact, I assumed verses 3,4 and 8 all referred to the same event and time period!

    However, because I believe the revelation to gather to the Morley Farm for an endowment was a valid one and because I believe that Joseph Smith was inspired to announce that the “Man of Sin” would be revealed at that event and because I believe that he was making specific reference to the prophecy in 2nd Thes., I have been forced to study that prophecy much more closely to see if in fact it could be congruent with what Joseph Smith appears to have been prophesying.

    Let me share with you three observations and associated conclusions I have arrived at.

    First, lets review verse 7,

    “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work, and he it is who now worketh, and Christ suffereth him to work, until the time i[s] fulfilled that he shall be taken out of the way.”

    I believe this verse provides a great key to identifying who the Son of Perdition is and a great mystery about how he deceives people.

    We are told in this verse that the same Son of Perdition of end times prophecy was on the earth at the time of the apostles. It stands to reason that he could have been on the earth at the time when Christ called and ordained the apostles.

    It is because of this statement that some bible scholars speculate that Judas, the apostle that betrayed the Lord is the Son of Perdition that returns in the end times to deceive people.

    This is a logical conclusion since Judas is the only one called the son of perdition in the New Testament.

    However, I believe that is an incorrect interpretation and conclusion.

    In the 4th chapter of Luke we have the account of when Satan tempted the Savior and offered him the kingdoms of the world. Below is Christ’s response to Satan,

    “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

    Matt 16 and Mark 8 both record a fascinating and very surprising and shocking event when Christ prophesies about his upcoming death and resurrection and Peter rebukes the Lord and says,

    “Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee”

    Of course Peters rebuke is challenging the prophecy about the miracle that will bring to pass the atonement and redemption.

    At this point the Lord turns to Peter and says,

    “ Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”

    These passages reveal one of the great mysteries pertaining to how Satan operates and it provides a key to understanding the prophecy in 2nd Thes.!

    Christ was revealing that Satan can enter into the heart of a person! He was exposing how Satan inhabits mortal souls by the principle of POSSESSION!

    I believe Satan is the Son of Perdition that was on the earth during the time of the apostles and he continues to enter into the hearts of sinful people and to deceive people through demonic possession.

    Once this is understood, the event at the Morley Farm makes perfect sense. Joseph prophesied that the Man of Sin would be revealed..

    In fulfillment to Josephs prophecy, the Saints spent two days trying to cast Satan out of various people. Once he would leave one person, he would enter another. In other words, demonic possession was to take place to reveal a great mystery about Satans power and how Satan can inhabit people!

    One could argue that the phrase “son of perdition” and the phrase “man of sin” is referring to the same person. One could take it one step further and argue that the term “man of sin” refers to any sinful human being that becomes the embodiment of Satan by being possessed by Satan, the Son of Perdition as a result of their sinful state.

    One could even argue that during the two day period during which time one person after another was being possessed, those being possessed were in a state of sin, and therefore were being possessed, while Lyman Wight and others who were in a more righteous state at the time not possessed by Satan.

    (Of course, as Latter day Saints we also know that Cain was called a son of perdition and that at some point in time he will reign over Satan… and perhaps he is the one to replace Satan at some point in time, but that is a discussion for another time.)

    Having identified Satan as the Son of Perdition that deceives people and works iniquity by inhabiting them, lets move on to another great key in understanding this prophecy.

    Verse two speaks of a specific time period referred to as the “Day of Christ”.

    “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled by letter, except ye receive it from us; neither by spirit, nor by word, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

    Verse three then speaks of an event that will take place BEFORE the day of Christ arrives,

    “Let no man deceive you by any means; for there shall come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”

    Verse 8 tells us about a repeat and perhaps ultimate fulfillment of this event that takes place at the time of the Day of Christ,

    “And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.”

    Verse 8 provides another critical key because it reveals that two separate events having to do with the revealing of the Son of Perdition will take place in two separate time periods.

    The first “revealing” takes place in the sixth seal BEFORE the Day of Christ arrives. (verse 3)

    The second “revealing takes place at the opening of the seventh seal, when the Day of Christ arrives. (verse 8)

    Hence, the Son of Perdition was doing his mystical work through the process of demonic possession at the time the New Testament apostles were on the earth, he was be doing it when the great falling away (apostasy) of the second watch took place and he will be doing it in the 3rd watch right up until the seventh seal is opened and the Lord destroys him with the brightness of his coming at the Day of Christ.

    With the keys that are provided above, it really doesn’t matter whether verse 4 is referring to the same event and time frame as verse 3 or whether it is simply identifying a possessed person in verse 3 as the same one that will return in verse 8.

    I am actually comfortable either way because there is a fascinating event that took place during the 2nd watch having to do with the Lords temple that could be the fulfillment of verse 4.. but if I told you about it, I would have to kill you. LOL

    Therefore, let this explanation suffice.

  7. Ryan says:

    I’ve lived a good life Watcher. Feel free to share the secret of verse 4 with me 😉

  8. Ryan says:

    Also about Judas being a Sin of Perdition.

    President Joseph F. Smith made the following important assessment of the status of Judas:
    To my mind it strongly appears that not one of the disciples possessed sufficient light, knowledge, or wisdom, at the time of the crucifixion, for either exaltation or condemnation; for it was afterwards that their minds were opened to understand the scriptures, and that they were endowed with power from on high; . . .
    Did Judas possess this light, this witness, this Comforter, this bap- tism of fire and the Holy Ghost, this endowment from on high? If he did, he received it before the betrayal, and therefore before the other eleven apostles. . . .
    Not knowing that Judas did commit the unpardonable sin; nor that he was a “son of perdition without hope” who will die the second death, nor what knowledge he possessed by which he was able to commit so great a sin, I prefer, until I know better, to take the merciful view that he may be numbered among those for whom the blessed Master prayed, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” [Luke 23:34].

    Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1939), 433–35; italics added. See also John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1960), 212–14.

  9. I totally agree with Smith’s assessment.

    I have never understood why Judas would be a SoP.

    It seems to me that identifying Christ to the guards was no worse than what Peter did… and Judas seemed extremely remorseful about what he did. Some even think he performed blood atonement on himself. (one account says he hung himself and another says his bowels splattered when he fell from a cliff… as I recall… both could be true)

    Also, we are informed in Modern revelation that Jesus will return to judge with the 12 that were with him in Jerusalem… I am not sure any of the apostles called later on would qualify as “being with him in his ministry” ?!?!

    There was a time when the Lord called Peter Satan, “get behind me Satan”…. probably because he was temporarily possessed by Satan… It is possible that statements about Judas being a SoP are similarly lodged.

    I will not be surprised at all if Judas returns and is restored to his position..

    I feel like we just don’t have enough information..

    [I guess I should read the comments on the associated thread before I make comments… I have already covered all of this and I sound like a broken record!]

  10. It is precisely why I cannot tell you. You need to remain pure and innocent. 🙂

  11. Fusion says:

    Come on Watcher, open the door to the vault. ..!

    Btw I hope you got my two emails yesterday

  12. Ryan says:

    A little repetition is good. I learn better that way. 🙂

    In light of the Judas possibly returning with Christ to assist in the judgement of Israel, what is your take on the revelation Joseph received in the Kirtland temple after receiving his washings and anointings?

    It states that BY and the other 12, many who left the church after the Kirtland apostasy, shall find inheritance in the Celestial Kingdom.

    Here’s the quote:

    History of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 380-381, January 21, 1836:

    “The heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God, and the glory thereof, whether in the body or out I cannot tell….

    …I saw the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb, who are now upon the earth, who hold the keys of this last ministry, in foreign lands, standing together in a circle, much fatigued, with their clothes tattered and feet swollen, with their eyes cast downward, and Jesus standing in their midst, and they did not behold Him. The Savior looked upon them and wept.

    I also beheld Elder M’Lellin in the south, standing upon a hill, surrounded by a vast multitude, preaching to them, and a lame man standing before him supported by his crutches; he threw them down at his word and leaped as a hart, by the mighty power of God. Also, I saw Elder Brigham Young standing in a strange land, in the far south and west, in a desert place, upon a rock in the midst of about a dozen men of color, who appeared hostile. He was preaching to them in their own tongue, and the angel of God standing above his head, with a drawn sword in his hand, protecting him, but he did not see it. And I finally saw the Twelve in the celestial kingdom of God. I also beheld the redemption of Zion, and many things which the tongue of man cannot describe in full.”

    Thanks!

  13. I haven’t checked my Gmail account for a while, I’ll check it now.

  14. I’ll be perfectly honest with you about that vision.. with the exception of the appearance of the angel from hell that threatened to lop of Joseph’s head off if he did not agree to transgress against the law of the gospel and comply with the commandment to commit adultry, it is the only other revelation that gives me a little bit of indigestion, only because I have huge issues with brother Brigham.

    If it is a true vision, (and it probably is) it demonstrates the ineffable mercy of God. I need to repent of my feelings about Brig. He is probably covered by the atonement statute just like the first elders… I don’t know…

    I love what the revelation says about M’Lellin because I have read his journal and I firmly believe he will return and be valiant in the 3rd watch.

  15. Ryan says:

    I have to agree with you. This one, though not canonized in its entirety, shows the Savior’s love for his chosen apostles.

    Do we know how many of them had their calling and election made sure while in Kirtland before it all hit the fan?

    Did Brigham Young or Thomas B. Marsh?

  16. There is no documentation I am aware of within modern revelation, that anyone outside of the few High Priest/First laborers of the last kingdom addressed in sections 84 and 88 had the sure promise. I am of the opinion that most or all of the original quorum of the 12 never had it during mortality, although the Lord does mention that Davic Patten had been taken to the Lord

    “David Patten I have taken unto myself; behold, his priesthood no man taketh from him”

    Obviously, we probably would not know if someone had been given the promise.. I am basing my opinion on numerous contextual patterns pertaining to the rejection of the church, etc.

    Lyman Wight would be the only other highly likely candidate, of course he was not one of the original members of the 12.

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