When the Floods come and the Winds Blow and the Rains Descend

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It has now rained off and on for over three weeks where I live and it is supposed to continue right up to the New Moon on June 22nd!

In the 16 years I have lived here I don’t remember this much humidity during such a prolonged time. It reminds me of the prophecies that speak of the rain and storms, literal and figurative that will hit just before the great test hits. Joseph Smith made the following statement. “It is in the order of heavenly things that God should always send a new dispensation into the world when men have apostatized from the truth and lost the priesthood, but when men come out and build upon other men’s foundations, they do it on their own responsibility, without authority from God; and when the floods come and the winds blow, their foundations will be found to be sand, and their whole fabric will crumble to dust.”
At the time of the floods and winds, those who have built their foundations on a sandy foundation will crumble. Joseph Smith seems to be giving one of the signs to look for when it is time for the new dispensation to come in after the existing dispensation has apostatized and lost the fulness of the priesthood.

You may feel like the reference to the time when the floods come and the winds blow is speaking metaphorically, not literally… but I believe it is referring to both. Part of Joseph Smith’s statement was paraphrasing passages from section 90;

Thus saith the Lord, verily, verily I say unto you my son, thy sins are aforgiven thee, according to thy petition, for thy prayers and the prayers of thy brethren have come up into my ears. Therefore, thou art blessed from henceforth that bear the akeys of the kingdom given unto you; which bkingdom is coming forth for the last time. Verily I say unto you, the keys of this akingdom shall bnever be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come; Nevertheless, through you shall the aoracles be given to another, yea, even unto the church. And all they who receive the aoracles of God, let them beware how they hold them lest they are accounted as a light thing, and are brought under condemnation thereby, and stumble and fall when the storms descend, and the winds blow, and the brains descend, and beat upon their house.” D&C 90: 1-5

Again, you could interpret section 90 as simply speaking metaphorically about when those who have taken treated the scriptures that were brought forth by Joseph Smith as a “light thing” are finally brought under condemnation and stumble and fall during the time of storms, winds and rains. And yet, if you look at this concept of the storms in the context of how Isaiah describes the return of the One Mighty and Strong, the same theme is found in Isaiah as well;

Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a atempest of hail and a destroying bstorm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand. The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet… Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a afoundation a bstone, a tried stone, a precious ccorner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Anyway, I strongly suspect that wind, rain and storms are signs associated with the great test that accompanies the return of the one mighty and strong. I have no idea as to whether those statements are simply to direct us to the season of the year when rain storms are common, or whether it is revealing to us that there will be an unusual wind and rain storm that will accompany the return of the one mighty and strong and the great test that will accompany it’s return.

Signs in the Heavens

What exactly constitutes a sign in the heavens that should be taken seriously? We know that everything that takes place is ultimately done under the direction of God. All things bear witness of him and his mighty works in the earth. What about the lightning that struck that recently struck agraven image of an angel on the top of a building? Is something like that a sign or is it a random event that means nothing? http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12595131

 

I believe most of us that are products of latter-day Mormonism, including myself, have no clue what we are to be watching for in the position, phase, color and other aspects of the planets, in fact few of us really think much about how important the positioning of the planets and related signs in the heavens are even though our father Abraham and the righteous Magi at the time of Christ’s birth were master star-gazer, planet watcher, astronomists.

Equinoxes, Solstices and Feast Days

LDS Church history is pregnant with incredible key dates based on Equinoxes, Solstices and Feast Days. One LDS author points out the significance of Joseph Smith birth date and death dates;

Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark world.[Note 12] Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went “like a lamb to the slaughter” (D&C 135:4), was one of four Hebrew “days of atonement.” The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of the 24-hour Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the day. The morning sacrifice appears to have represented Jesus Christ, who would come in the meridian of time, and the afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did “more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it” (D&C 135:3).

He reminds us of Joseph’s prophecy regarding the coming sign of the Son of Man; “The Prophet Joseph Smith described another sign: “[T]hen will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc.” ( Teachings , pp. 286-287). Thus, we should be aware that eclipses and comets are not just random events, but are sometimes given as signs of the times.”

The TIMES of the Signs

To me the importance of specific dates and reoccurring dates falls under the category of astronomy and planet watching since our ability to reckon time is interdependent with the signs in the skies and the various planets that we see and that are currently existing in time rather than in eternity.

Although the article did a good job of pointing out that section 88 speaks of planets and admonishing us to watch them, it did not give any useful information on how or what to watch for.

How does one keep their eyes on the planets?

What are we to be looking for?

Some Christians and Mormons in particular who are watching for signs in the heavens and in the times that are reckoned by the planets, categorically reject any of the signs and or dates that are being identified by the New Age Movement and other aspects of the occult, including hardcore Satanism as being significant to us.

I disagree with this. I think that the forces of light and darkness often celebrate the same signs in the heavens and the same dates although these signs and dates have a very different meaning and significance to the children of light vs the children of darkness.

Years ago I wrote an article showing how the Lord had revealed to Joseph Smith that the appointed date for the redemption of Zion was to be on September 11th 1836. Obviously this date should have great significance to us since God appointed that date for such a great event. (see The Bridegroom Tarried)

When the Saints failed to redeem the land of Jackson county by that appointed date and therefore failed to prepare themselves for their appointed meeting with the Bridegroom, September 11th continued to be a very significant date for the forces of evil.

It is no coincidence that the infamous Mountain Meadows Massacre or the tragedy that took place in 2001 known now as 9/11 both took place on September 11th! (Numerous other events in history that occurred on this date as well.)

The movements in the planets and the various occurring key dates designated by them definitely have significant to the God of this world and our God that reigns in the heavens above. Keep your eye on this date in the future. More key events will undoubtedly happen on this date.

April 6th is another significant reoccurring date. According to Joseph Smith, the birth and crucifixion or resurrection (depending on which account you read) both took place on that date. The legal establishment of the latter day Church and other key historical events also took place on that date.

Is it a coincidence that President Obama chose April 6th in 2009 to announce that America is no longer a Judeo-Christian nation?


New Moons & Full Moons

I am currently studying the “holy order” that was rejected at the time of Moses and how it was re-instituted for a very short time at the time of Joseph Smith. I have mentioned in previous articles how important the new moon is in prophecy. I have pointed out that section 59 was given on a New Moon Sabbath. That section was given after 23 men were given the “High Priesthood” at the Morley Farm and commanded to go to Jackson County to begin the first holy organization pertaining to Gods kingdom on earth.

Shortly after Joseph Smith and many of these 23 men and their missionary companions fulfilled their assignment and began the holy organization in Jackson County, Joseph smith returned from Jackson county with those who had not been commanded to participate in the holy order in that part of the vineyard.

Section 72, which also just happens to fall on a New Moon Sabbath commands Joseph Smith and others of the newly ordained “High Priests” who had not been commanded by revelation to plant themselves in Jackson County, to begin the holy order of consecration in Kirtland.

Is it a coincidence that those two very important revelations pertaining to the holy order and the laying of the foundations of the future Zion just happened to come on New Moon Sabbaths?

Will New Moon Sabbaths play an important role in the future?

Thus said The ETERNAL CREATOR, ‘The gate of the inner court which faces East shall be closed on the six working days; it shall be opened on the (weekly) Sabbath day, and it shall be opened on the day of the new moon (Ezekiel 46:1
H2320 Chodesh (kho’-desh)- New Moon OR New Month).‘”

I frankly love full moons. I sit and stare at the full moon every chance I get. I feel light and energy coming into my soul when I do that.

Recently I have been reading some interesting articles about the significance of the full moon in prophecy. I had previously discounted it as a significant sign in prophecy since the term does not appear to show up in the King James version of the bible, however, some scholars are claiming that the term “time appointed” is synonymous with “full moon”;

“Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.”  But if you look at the Hebrew, which you can check for yourselves at http://www.blueletterbible.org, the word for “in the time appointed” (“kece”) means “full moon.”  And the Hebrew word for “on our solemn feast” (“chag”) also refers to the Feast of Tabernacles in the Talmud, 2 Chronicles 5:3 and 1 Kings 8:2.) “take up the song sound the timbrel the melodious lyre and harp blow the horn on the new moon on the full moon for our feast day for it is a law for Israel a ruling of the Mighty One of Jacob” (Psalms 81:3-5 Tanakh)


It is interesting how some other religions put a huge emphasis on the full moon. I found the following about Buddha interesting; “The Buddha was born on a full moon day. His renunciation took place on a full moon day. His Enlightenment, the delivery of His first sermon, His passing away into Nibbana and many other important events associated with His life-span of eighty years, occurred on full moon days.”

Signs during the Foundation Movement

It is interesting how the Saints of the foundation movement were very much aware of the signs around them and in fact were viewing and experiencing amazing signs in the heavens.

There are two instances in particular I am aware of, having to do with amazing signs in the heavens, that took place during the 14 year ministry of Joseph Smith. They took place about 3 ½ years apart.

The first took place in November 13th 1833 and the other took place in 1836

The first one was preceded by a prophecy from the Lords Anointed;

Philo Dibble said:

“On one occasion Joseph [Smith] was preaching in Kirtland sometime in the fall of 1833. Quite a number of persons were present who did not belong to the Church, and one man, more bitter and skeptical than others, made note with pencil and paper of a prophecy uttered on that occasion, wherein Joseph said that ‘Forty days shall not pass, and the stars shall fall from heaven.’ Such an event would certainly be very unusual and improbable to the natural man, and the skeptic wrote the words as a sure evidence to prove Joseph to be a false Prophet.

On the thirty-ninth day after the utterance of that prophecy a man and brother in the Church, by the name of Joseph Hancock…and another brother were out hunting game and got lost. They wandered about until night, when they found themselves at the house of this unbeliever, who exultingly produced this note of Joseph Smith’s prophecy, and asked Brother Hancock what he thought of his Prophet now, that thirty-nine days had passed and the prophecy was not fulfilled.

Brother Hancock was unmoved and quietly remarked, ‘There is one night left of the time, and if Joseph said so, the stars will certainly fall tonight. This prophecy will all be fulfilled.’

The matter weighed upon the mind of Brother Hancock, who watched that night, and it proved to be the historical one, known in all the world as ‘the night of the falling of the stars.’

He stayed that night at the house of the skeptical unbeliever, as it was too far from home to return by night, and in the midst of the falling of the stars he went to the door of his host and called him out to witness what he had thought impossible and the most improbable thing that could happen, especially as that was the last night in which Joseph Smith could be saved from the condemnation of ‘a false prophet’.

The whole heavens were lit up with the falling meteors, and the countenance of the new spectator was plainly seen and closely watched by Brother Hancock, who said that he turned pale as death, and spoke not a word.

After that event the unbeliever sought the company of any Latter-day Saint. He even enticed Mormon children to keep him company at his house. Not long afterwards, too, he sent for Joseph and Hyrum to come to his house, which they did, but with no noticeable results, for I believe he never received the gospel.” (Juvenile Instructor, 27:23, May 1892)

Here is the account of this event given by Parley P Pratt;

Parley P. Pratt wrote:

“About 2:00 the next morning [in November 1833] we were called up by the cry of signs in the heavens. We arose, and to our great astonishment all the firmament seemed enveloped in splendid fireworks, as if every star in the broad expanse had been hurled from its course, and sent lawless through the wilds of ether. Thousands of bright meteors were shooting through space in every direction, with long trains of light following in their course. This lasted for several hours, and was only closed by the dawn of the rising sun. Every heart was filled with joy at this majestic display of signs and wonders, showing the near approach of the coming of the Son of God.” (Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt, 103)

Joseph Smith’s account of this event is as follows;

November 13 About 4 o clock am I was awakened by Brother Davis knocking at my door and The stars calling on me to arise and behold the signs… I arose and to my great joy beheld the stars fall from heaven like a shower of hailstones a literal fulfillment of the word of God as recorded in the holy Scriptures and a sure sign that the coming of Christ is close at hand.
In the midst of this shower of fire I was led to exclaim How marvelous are Thy works O Lord i thank Thee for Thy mercy unto Thy servant save me in Thy kingdom for Christ’s sake Amen. The appearance of these signs varied in different sections of the country in Zion all heaven seemed enwrapped in splendid fireworks as if every star in the broad expanse had been suddenly hurled from its course and sent lawless through the wilds of ether. Some at times appeared like bright shooting meteors with long trains of light following in their course and in numbers resembled large drops of rain in sunshine. These seemed to vanish when they fell behind the trees or came near the ground. Some of the long trains of light following the meteoric stars were visible for some seconds these streaks would curl and twist up like serpents writhing. The appearance was beautiful grand and sublime beyond description and it seemed as if all the artillery and fireworks of eternity were set in motion to enchant and entertain the Saints and terrify and awe the sinners of the earth. Beautiful and terrific as was the scenery it will not fully compare with the time when the sun shall become black like sack cloth of hair the moon like blood and the stars fall to the earth ((Documentary History of the Church, 1:439 see also Rev vi 13)”


Interestingly, the above mentioned signs in the heavens were later published in the Times and Seasons suggesting that this display may have been either a literal or typological fulfillment of the prophecy of the “falling figs” as contained in Matthew 24;

The appearance of these signs varied in different sections of the country: in Zion, all heaven seemed enwrapped in splendid fireworks, as if every star in the broad expanse, had been suddenly hurled from its course, and sent lawless through the wilds of ether: some at times, appeared like bright shooting meteors with long trains of light following in their course, and in numbers resembled large drops of rain in sunshine. Some of the long trains of light following the meteoric stars, were visible for some seconds; those streaks would cut and twist up like serpents writhing. The appearance was beautiful, grand and sublime beyond description; as though all the artillery and fire works of eternity were set in motion to enchant and entertain the Saints, and terrify and awe the sinners on the earth. Beautiful and terrific as was the scenery, which might be compared to the falling figs or fruit when the tree is shaken by a mighty wind.” (Times and Seasons, 6[9]:898
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The second event having to do with signs in the heavens took place in September of 1836. It was mentioned by Parley P Pratt in his autobiography;

“In July, 1836, while lodging at the house of brother Joseph Fielding, the voice of the Lord came unto me in a dream, saying:

“Parley!”

And I answered:

“Here am I;”

for I was in a vision of the Spirit and knew that it was the Lord who spake unto me. And he said:

“When did I ever reveal anything unto you in a dream and it failed to come to pass?”

And I answered:

“Never, Lord.”

“Well, then,”

He continued,

“go unto this people and cry unto them with a mighty voice that they repent, lest I smite them with a curse and they die; for, notwithstanding the present fruitfulness of the earth, there shall be a famine in the land; and not only a famine for bread, but a famine for the Word of the Lord; for I will call my servants out from their midst and send them to the nations afar off.”

Having heard these words I took courage, and I continued to lift up my voice in the congregations, both in town and country, testifying of the gospel and warning the people of things to come. Many repented and were baptized, while many hardened their hearts and were filled with a contentious and lying spirit. But the Saints were filled with faith, joy, and love; and they met together oft, and had great union and peace, and were happy in the society of each other. In the autumn of the same year — I think in September — I had preached on Sunday in the chapel, on the subject of the coming of the Son of Man and the signs which would precede his coming. I prophesied that they would see signs in the heavens very soon, such as were spoken of by Jesus Christ in the New Testament; and that when they should begin to see them they might know for themselves that His coming was nigh at hand. After thus preaching I returned in the evening to the house of brother and sisters Fielding, at the hour of 9 p.m. ; we sat up for an hour or two conversing on these important things and rejoicing, when, on going out at the door and looking abroad, we beheld a most wonderful scene in the heavens, and, as it continued for some time, we finally went to some of the nearest neighbors and called them out to behold it. A wave of white light extended like a rainbow from east to west over the entire horizon, a little south of the meridian. It was in appearance about twenty feet wide, and seemed agitated in its motions like a wave of the sea; at length it removed like the motions of a great swell of the sea towards the south and disappeared; when lo! another similar light appeared immediately in the place of the former, and, after remaining stationary with agitated motions for some time, it rolled away to the south and disappeared like the former, and was replaced by a third. Thus the
same scene was renewed and continued for hours. We finally all retired to rest, while it yet continued to be exhibited.”

I believe the signs in the heavens shown on these two occasions were very significant signs from God.

I will not go into detail as to their full significance, in fact I am sure I do not comprehend their full significances, however, it is interesting to note that according to the analogy given in the Times and Season referring to the first meteor shower, in context of the three watch doctrine and the understanding that the laying of the foundation in the 1830’s was a preparatory act to be followed by the Marvelous Work just four generations later, it really could have been a fulfillment of the falling fig prophecy in Mathew 24.

Regarding the signs seen in September of 1836 spoken of by Parley P. Pratt, I find his preliminary prophecy that ” there shall be a famine in the land; and not only a famine for bread, but a famine for the Word of the Lord; for I will call my servants out from their midst and send them to the nations afar off” very interesting and profoundly noteworthy.

In previous posts I have spoken about how the gentiles rejected the fullness of the Gospel and failed to redeem Zion by the appointed date of September 11 1836. I have spoken about how the preparatory gospel then went to the Jews.

Notice in the above quote how Parley P. Pratt prophesied not only that signs in the heavens would take place shortly but that they were associated with the act of God withdrawing his servants from the midst of the American Nation by sending them to foreign nations, causing the beginning of the famine of Gods word in the land as prophesied by the Prophet Amos;

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a afamine of bread, nor a bthirst for water, but of hearing the cwords of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall arun to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. They that aswear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O bDan, liveth; and, The manner of Beer-sheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.” http://scriptures.lds.org/en/amos/8/11#11

Amos saw that in the latter days God would send a famine of hearing the word of the Lord upon this, e the hypocritical nation of America for rejecting the fulness of the gospel. From other prophecies and statements from Joseph Smith, it is apparent that after the gentile nation rejected the fullness of the gospel, the preparatory gospel was then sent to the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah scattered among the gentile nations. Shortly after the prophecy and associated signs by Parley P Pratt, section 112 was given declaring that

darkness covereth the whole earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face

During the last few years the Saints lived in Kirtland, particularly after they failed to redeem Zion on September 11th 1836, at the appointed time, there was a very gross darkness that overcame the Saints! Many members and even some leaders of the Church apostatized. The Church seemed to be passing through a time of crisis.

In this state of things,” the Prophet wrote, “God revealed to me that something new must be done for the salvation of His Church.” This “something new” was a revelation to send missionaries to England to preach the gospel. http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:HtZCMDAqCMMJ:www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp%3Fvgnextoid%3Dda135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD%26locale%3D0%26sourceId%3D1028b00367c45110VgnVCM100000176f620a____%26hideNav%3D1%26contentLocale%3D0+%22something+new+must+be+done+for+the+salvation%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us It is interesting to me that the two grand signs that shown in the heavens during Joseph Smiths ministry seem to happen just as the Saints are getting expelled from Jackson and just as they are failing to meet the appointed time for the redemption of Zion.

Contemporary Signs

So what about the signs in the heavens in modern times?

As mentioned earlier, I think we can learn from those who are watching the planets even if they are not Latter day Saints.

I have previously given multiple scriptural reasons why 2009 is the huge transitional year when great things are going to happen. It is very possibly the year that the Marvelous Work and a Wonder begins.

Perhaps it has already begun.

I am reminded of the Saviors declaration that one cannot even see the Kingdom of God until AFTER they have been born again;

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be aborn
b
again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Indeed, only those born of the spirit will see the kingdom of God coming!


When Jupiter aligns with Mars?



If in fact non-Christians and those involved in the occult also often times identify the same signs and dates as being significant, even if for other reasons, it seems worthwhile to me, to see if those in the new age movement and the occult also view 2009 as being a significant year. Do they see signs in the planets that might set this year apart?



You might find it interesting to know that about four decades ago a popular song was written that possibly identifies the year 2009 as the year that a new age would be ushered in based on the signs in the heavens.


Perhaps some clues are in “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In” a song sung in 1969 by The 5th Dimension which was written for the musical ‘Hair’. The single held the number one position on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 for six weeks and was certified Platinum. The song listed at #57 on Billboard’s Greatest Songs of all time.

The song was based on the astrological belief that the world would be entering the Age of Aquarius, an age of love, light and humanity, unlike the then current Age of Pisces. This change was presumed by some, to occur sometime close to the end of the 20th century, however astrology is not an exact science and major astrologers differ over this.

It is claimed by some that the song was inspired in part by a Nostradamus prophecy:

‘Mars and Jupiter will be in conjunction, Soon after a new king anointed Who for a long time will bring peace to the Earth.’ (Nostradamus Prophecies C6 Quatrain 24)

Here are some of the words of the song;

When the Moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, then peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius The Age of Aquarius Aquarius! Aquarius!”

Apparently some astrologers believe that 2009 is the target year to begin the Age of Aquarius. The events in the transition to the Aquarian Age, according to some astrologer include:

) The Feb 17 th stellium in Aquarius, ‘Jupiter aligns with Mars’

2) Simultaneous Spring Equinox on Earth, Saturn and Uranus

3) New Venus Mar 27, ‘Morning Starshine’ beginning April 1st

4) The ‘most powerful solar eclipse of the century’ on July 22nd

5) The heliacal rising of Sirius, Venus and Orion in mid-August

6) The Saturn Ring Plane Crossing / Saturn Equinox on Sept 4 7)

The appearance of the 7 th Moon in the 7 th House Sept 19 – 20 According to some planet watchers associated with the belief that the age of Aquarius is being ushered in, the last time Spring Equinox happened on Saturn and Uranus at the same time was over 2500 years ago!

They claim this is particularly meaningful at this time because Saturn and Uranus are the planetary rulers of Aquarius, the New Age we are now supposedly entering. Also, Saturn and Uranus will be in an opposition tango all this year while their equatorial planes align with each other, with the Sun and the Earth they tell us! This dynamic opposition alternately highlights and eliminates the rigid forms of the past while building anew the forms of the future world.

The Aquarian Equinox continues while Saturn and Uranus align throughout 2009. Another comment I found on the net is as follows;

On February 17th 2009 the Moon appeared in the 7th House as mars and Jupiter were conjunct in Aquarius with the north node, a symbol of our evolutionary direction. Five planets and the Sun gathered in Aquarius for this new world beginning. In addition, Mercury in Aquarius was in ‘mutual reception’ with Saturn in Virgo while Neptune in Aquarius was in mutual reception with Uranus in Pisces so the energies of the twin rulers of Aquarius were drawn into the mix. The February gathering of planets in Aquarius signaled the beginning of a New Age that begins to flower as Venus rises before the Sun.

I am frankly clueless as to what any of the above alignments of the planets and astrology chat means.

Notice how in the listing of astrological events mentioned above involves the 7th moon in the 7th house which possibly takes place September 19-20 2009. This is very close to and brings up another important reoccurring date in LDS church History.

“…on the evening of the above-mentioned twenty-first of September, after I had retired to my bed for the night, I betook myself to prayer and supplication to Almighty God for forgiveness of all my sins and follies, and also for the manifestation to me, that I might know of my state and standing before him; for I had full confidence in obtaining a divine manifestation, as I previously had one.”

It was on the evening of September 21st and the morning of September 22nd that Joseph Smith had a three visitations from the Angel Moroni.

When he attempted to retrieve the plates after the first visit he was told;

“the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would it until four years from that time. But he told me I should come to that place precisely in one year from that time, and that he would there meet with me…”

This visit from Moroni happened four years in a row on the same date! (Is it a coincidence that section 84 was also given on that date?)

The declaration that the time for bringing forth the plates had not yet come and would not come for four more years is an incredible insight and testimony to the exact time line of God. Everything is exact in his time line of events.

For an incredibly insightful read pertaining to the significance of the September dates associated with the receipt of the plates as they pertain to the “Feast of Trumpets” I highly recommend the following article by Lenet Hadley Read. (http://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=2&num=2&id=35 )

The alignment of Jupiter is of significance also in light of the fact that Joseph Smith wore a Jupiter Talisman and believed that Jupiter was a very important sign having to do with his mission.

It is interesting to me that many of the dates, time lines and astrological signs in the skies have as much significance to those involved in witchcraft and the occult as to the children of light.

I have spoken in a previous past about how the scriptures identify America and her leaders, in the end times, as being heavily involved in witchcraft and the occult.

It is no secret that the Reagans and others who have inhabited the Whitehouse and other political positions were up to their eyeballs in superstition the occult and astrology.

Recently there have been some who have keyed in on an interesting recent statement made by President Obama, which was given in jest;

I would like to talk about what my administration plans to achieve in the next 100 days. During the second 100 days, we will design, build and open a library dedicated to my first 100 days. I believe that my next 100 days will be so successful, that I will complete them in 72 days – and on the 73rd day I will rest.”

According to one observer;

” The inference of deity here is obvious, but why the 73rd day? The 100th day of Obama was April 29th, 2009. Seventy-two days added to that brings us to July 10th, 2009. Obama intends to rest from his creative labors on Saturday, July 11th…. What is this man planning? Time will tell! It is also interesting to note that on March 31st, 2009, the Traverse City Record-Eagle reported a story out of Washington stating that a new $3.5 billion laser has just been completed and is now ready for use. The word laser is an acronym for Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation. This laser was developed by the National Ignition Facility of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. This laser is capable of simulating the energy force of a hydrogen bomb and the sun itself! (5) I am reminded of Revelation 13:13, regarding the second beast, which reads as follows: “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

Some are calculating July 10th as the beginning of the 3 ½ year period leading up to the end of the world as we know it according to the Myan calendar which they calculate to be December 3 2011; “Three and a half years (3.5 x 360, or 1260) days after summer
solstice 2008 is 3 December 2011, not winter solstice 2012 (p.329), and it seems to have been this timing that led to the placing of 2008 as the impact of Leviathan, working back from 2012; working back from the winter solstice of 2012, would put the impact at 10 July 2009.

[Editorial Note: It is now confirmed that Obama will be meeting with the Pope on July 10th http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jun/09062315.html ]

Speaking of signs in July, here is an interesting blurb about a new book that points out that we have a triple eclipse coming up;

The book titled `Will History Repeat Itself? Triple Eclipse of July 2009. Ominous? Promising?’ takes a look at the possibilities that could follow astronomical event of a lunar eclipse on July 7, 2009 followed by a solar eclipse on July 22, 2009 and another lunar eclipse on August 6, 2009.

Talking to media, the authors DK Hari and D Hema Hari, a couple, founders of Bharath Gyan (that attempts to collate and disseminate information on India over the ages) said “The first recorded triple eclipse in 3067 BCE (Before the Common Era) coincided with the Kurukhshetra war”.

Another triple eclipse in 3031 BCE coincided with the destruction of the ancient city of Dwarka. More recently, the first half of the 20th century saw the occurrence of a series of triple eclipse between 1910 and 1945, which coincided with the World Wars I and II, the holocaust and the nuclear bombings in Japan”, said Hari.”

Others however who believe that the Mayan Calendar is pointing to December 21, 2012 as the time of the end are targeting June of 2009 as the beginning of a significant 3 ½ year period’

In the above it is said that the judgment is over as Saturn rises on December 21, 2012. There is another option. One of the ancient documents suggests there is to be three and a half years of “tribulation.” This would be the period of judgment. For this to be over on December 21, 2012, the tribulation needs to start in June of 2009″.

Another interesting observation pertaining to July of 2009 is the solar eclipse that is scheduled to take place on July 22nd;

The solar eclipse that will take place on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 will be a total eclipse of the Sun with a magnitude of 1.080 that will be visible from a narrow corridor through northern India, eastern Nepal, northern Bangladesh, Bhutan, the northern tip of Myanmar, central China and the Pacific Ocean, including the Ryukyu Islands, Marshall Islands and Kiribati. Totality will be visible in many cities such as Surat, Varanasi, Patna, Thimphu, Chengdu, Chongqing, Wuhan, Hangzhou and Shanghai, as well as over the Three Gorges Dam. A partial eclipse will be seen from the much broader path of the Moon‘s penumbra, including most of South East Asia and north-eastern Oceania. This solar eclipse is the longest total solar eclipse that will occur in the twenty-first century, and will not be surpassed in duration until June 13, 2132. Totality will last for up to 6 minutes and 39 seconds, with the maximum eclipse occurring in the ocean at 02:35:21 UTC about 100 km south of the Bonin Islands, southeast of Japan. The North Iwo Jima island is the landmass with totality time closest to maximum.”

[editorial note and update: Over 2000 members —  the political, corporate, cultural and military elite of the world — will be gathered for Satanic rituals, possibly including human ritual sacrifice. They have been meeting here since the 1880’s.

According to “Treee,” a young Las Vegas woman who claims to have contacts inside the secretive club, a ritual sacrifice of Mary Magdalene takes place Tuesday July 21; and the ritual sacrifice of Jesus Christ takes place Wednesday, July 22.

A corresponding D&C date would be July 23 which is the date that section 112 came on, warning of the time when the wrath of god would begin at his house]

I have rambled now long enough… Is any of the above information accurate or relevant?

Possibly.. but only to those who are being led by the spirit and are watching.

They say that “liars figure, but figures never lie.” It is not my intent to pass on lies as if they are truth. I am only watching and observing and trying to understand how to watch and understand the significance of the planets and the associated signs in the skies. As a watcher, that is what I do, I am always watching and figuring, I openly acknowledge I am not speaking as a prophet, I am simply trying to pay attention and understand to the best of my ability what many of the past and future signs mean… and which ones are important. I am making no predictions and telling no lies.…

Keep Watching

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32 Responses to When the Floods come and the Winds Blow and the Rains Descend

  1. TruthSeekerToo says:

    Can I just say that we have had hail and rain and tornado’s here off and on for a couple weeks. It is very strange indeed! I haven’t seen so many days of hail showers ever.

    Now, I’m gonna be singing “Age of Aquarius” for the rest of the week. LOL

    This was a fascinating read. Thanks!

    I am curious how you distinguish between the occult in the scriptures and Joseph Smith and the negative occult you refer to. In other words, when you use the term occult, what is your meaning?

  2. TruthSeekerToo

    That is a great question.

    I guess I view two general groups that I would consider the occult, neither of them would be the same as an inspired prophet of God reading the signs in the heavens or prophesying about a future sign or declaring an existing sign in the heavens one as being a valid sign.

    The first occult group would be the really sinister, evil people who are knowingly doing Satans bidding, such as those involved in secret combinations, and people like the BOHEMIAN GROVE group, etc.

    The second group I view as occult would be people who simply delve into astrology white witchcraft and other related practices with no intential wicked purposes.

    I think both groups potentially have the ability to identify significant alignments in the planets and dates, etc.

    For that reason I am always interested in what they are seeing as signs in the heavens and significant dates.

    Regarding Joseph Smith, obviously, he spoke prophetically quite frequently as the spirit rested upon him.

    I am also aware of some of the other stuff he was involved in, primarily the type of stuff addressed in Mike Quinns “Early Mormonism and the Magic World View”.

    I am withholding judgment on those things. I think that Gods ways are not our ways and it is probably difficult for us to understand where to draw the line between true Godly spiritual phenomena and the physics of the universe that may be used to bring it into play vs. the dark side of spiritualism.

  3. […] some thoughts and information I had been collecting during the last few weeks regarding the signs of the times and I posted some info on that topic on my other blog site for those who might be […]

  4. Bolivian says:

    Where can I find the quote from Obama about his resting on the 73rd day?

  5. Bolivian

    That statement was supposedly made at a White House Correspondent’s dinner about 4 weeks ago wherein some political satire was taking place.

    At that particular event it is traditional for Presidents to poke fun at their political rivals and themselves.

    Most do not take his comments seriously, however, some feel there could be some underlying information worth taking note of.

    Simply Google a key phrase search from the quote I provided and you will see numerous references to the event and the comments.

    Here are two links that i just found from a random search-

    http://obama.wsj.com/quote/08wq59VeSog0s

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/reply.php?messageid=802920&page=2&quote=12381460

  6. TruthSeekerToo says:

    I just recalled that 72 is a significant scriptural number as well. I believe it represents completeness. It is 3 sets of 24.
    I believe there are some people in the BoM who were promised to live to be 72-the age of man?

    24 also represents something complete. A day is 24 hours. Many of the books in the BoM say they are from 24 plates.

    The day has 3 watches. The Godhead is symbolized by a trinity. Could also equate with body, mind, spirit?

    So, all these numbers are symbolic and meaningful with many layers to them.

  7. Lizzie says:

    One is Who is Watching, have you read John Pratt’s articles in the Meridian Magazine about astronomy and signs in heaven? He has many fantastic articles (Constellations Testify of Christ”, “Feast of the Trumpets”, and many, many others with valuable information. Those of you who find this subject of worth, would enjoy his articles.

  8. Yes Lizzie

    I have read many of Pratt’s articles and have referred to him in previous posts.

    Here is a previous post wherein I highlight an article of his relative to a prophecy in Daniel;

    http://threewatches.blogspot.com/2008/09/seventy-weeks-are-determined-upon-thy.html

    For those interested in reviewing Pratt’s articles you can find a listing of them here;

    http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/index.html

    Thanks for reminding us about the articles by John Pratt Lizzie-

    Watcher

  9. Bolivian, you can also see the video of Obama giving the speech on YouTube:

  10. Rob says:

    The things you have written of in all your observations has absolutely astounded me. I had no idea that the things that I have been observing and building upon intently for the past 20 years has been so cleary displayed by yourself and others.

    It sort of reminds me of the huddled Elect refered to in the Dead Sea Scrolls where is says they are digging the Well and are like blind men groping through the darkness for 20 years until the Teacher of Righteousness arrives. (The One Mighty & Strong)

    I’ve been groping in lone darkness trying to dig my own portion of that Well.

    As far as signs of every make and model, I have been searching them all for a long time and am especially versed in Planetary signs, for they along with the Feast Days of the Lord, contain the “TIMING” element.

    I have knowledge of this far beyond any observations I have come accross on the Net or in the Library.

    And believe me, I have done alot of searching…I’ve retired at a young age and have spent the past 20 years putting in some very long and worth while hours in this quest.

    What I could share with you is too lenghty and visually complex for me to post it on the Net. Not that it can’t be done, it’s that it can’t be done by me…As mch time as I spend looking for stuff like yours on the Net, I know nothing about computers beyond Surfing and entering simple comments like this.

    The explanation requires mainly visual aids and diolouge that are better suited to class room instruction than printing it up in a book. I know it could be done that way but I lack the skills to translate my thought into something like that.

    But what I know…I KNOW and I can very well verbalize my understanding of things.

    The things I’ve gained an understanding of are very simple yet very unique, even by the standards of uniqueness you guys display.

    Beyond observing the Planetary signs in a much,much more comprehensive way than anyone, I also more importantly could show you a Layered Level to the ENTIRE spectrum of reveiled Gospel knowledge that NO ONE else knows…and is so simple that you would wonder in amazement as to how anyone who searches dilligently for TRUTH would miss it.

    It is very similar to the “Three Watches” Doctrine in that the Three Watches Doctrine is modeled on this very CORE understanding of ALL the Scritures.

    I hope I don’t sound as though I am touting my brillance or that I’m trying to be cryptic. To the contrary…If it were LITTERALY not for our Father in Heaven and our Brother, I wouldn’t stand a snowballs chance in the exhaust of the Space Shuttle, to ever know what I DO.

    I’ve shared some of this stuff with a few close friends in and out of the Church. It sure seems to resonate with anyone opened to “Old Wine” being replaced with “New Wine”. “A NEW THING” as Isaiah describes it.

    After Prayrfully discovering your work a few weeks ago, your Work and the Work of some of your friends was the Personal SIGN that I was seeking from God to let me understand that the TIME is indeed very, very close for the sound of the STARTING GUN.

    I would love to share with you what I know and let you decide for yourself if it sounds right to you.

    This understanding would take you personally(from some of what you have written about)to a different view concerning your observations by not necessarily taking you to a different place in your overall concept of Three Wathches. I feel the things I could tell you, may give you some additional insight in regard to pulling up one of your personal Doctrinal Stakes and moving to another spot. The stake you have based part of your understanding on is not inccorect, it has just been placed out of it’s correct positon.

    I could begin to open a NEW vista for you and your friends by starting with some Planetary observations that parralell a secret contained in the overall Gospel Plan that many have grazed the EDGES of but have failed to make certain connections.

    Of course none of this would come to offical light until Heavenly Father gives the GREEN LIGHT, but I have been so anxious to share what I know with those seeking the Truth and are also axiously awaiting the sound of the Trumpet. I have crossed many observations and oppinions of others that if they were collectively pieced together, they do form the TRUE BIG PICTURE with the exception of ONE crutial element…”THE KEY” to it’s IMAGE.

    You and some of your friends on these Blogs are the ONLY ones to have amassed enough of the understanding of the Gospel to get you within spitting distance of the REAL BIG PICTURE. Even much more so than my friends and Family because you have done the research.

    I would love to share the KEY with you guys and leave it with you to prayerfully ponder. Yet there is no way for me to place it on the Net, as even my typing speed is only about 25 words a minute.

    I don’t even know how to E-Mail after all these years.

    The one I gave on this comment section is not real. It’s just something I have seen my Sons do so I copy it so that I can make these commnets.

    What I will do, is leave my address so that if you should maybe want to meet in person…I can explain things better in speak than I can in writing. Besides I could use the company of those who are Watching as INTENTLY as I am.

    It’s a GREAT DAY in which we live. Life to this point of my 55 years of wandering and STRUGGLING through Lifes DRY WILDERNESS, has me in dire need of GREAT LATTER RAINFALL.

    I can certainly understand why you guys communicate using penn names. I never do that as it’s not necessary for me to do that nor would I anyway…It’s just not me.

    I have always stood on visably clear ground when it comes to bold truthfulness concerning Principles of truth, regarless of the consequences, and the consequences have come in the form of GREAT PERSECUTION and being cast out from what I LOVE. I’m not critisizing any of you for doing this. Joseph and friends felt the need for penn names, but it just isn’t me.

    I hope you at least write me. You can use a fake return address if it makes you feel more comfortable but I would really like to hear from a Brother who I know is TRULEY WATCHING and WAITING as I am.

    Sorry I don’t have a real E-Mail address. Maybe one day I will…but that day better come soon because ther won’t be much time to use it.

    Robert John Donahue
    260 Yumas Dr.
    Titusville, Fl. 32796

  11. Rob says:

    PS As I’ve reread my previous comments many times to try to sort out my spelling errors I can see I haven’t done so well.

    I’m sorry for these errors. They sometimes imbarrass me but I hope my comments can be found useful.

    Joseph Smith and I are kindred Spirits when it comes to Formal Education.

  12. Rob says:

    And a few other things…

  13. Rob says:

    I am well aware of the many nuts that grace the branches of the TREE, but somewhere therin, must lie the ROOT that will shake the nuts from the branches.

  14. Rob

    I am always seeking additional knowledge and further enlightenment.

    I am also very curious about the signs in the heavens and the timeline. I would love to learn from your vast knowledge on the subject.

    Unfortunately, driving from Idaho to Florida to meet with you is not an option right now.

    It seems like 25 words a minute typing can’t be much slower that writing by hand…

    If you can send me some tid-bits via this reply box, I will not publish them, thus keeping the information private, until the Lord dictates that it is time for you to reveal it.

    Perhaps another option would be by phone.

    Thank you for visiting the site.

    Hope to hear from you.

    Watcher

  15. Rob says:

    Truthseekertoo made a comment regarding the sinister side of cultish knowledge of signs and referenced the BOHEMIAN CLUB. As Einestine and Mufasa once proclaimed…All things are relative and related in the Great Circle of Life.

    For every TRUTH proclaimed by God there is a Counter False illusion of that same truth presented by the MASTER MAJICIAN.

    It’s ablity to manefest itself as a mirror image of truth is related to EVERY ASPECT of life as we know it.

    The GRAND ILLUSION being perpetuated by members of the Bohemian Club are targeting ALL the children of the Earth at this time and more specifically those at the CENTER of the circular PLATTER of life.

    Being so clever as to make a DEAL with the DEVIL may be clever, but not very smart, according to Isaiah.

    The Lord NEVER makes deals with the Devil. He only affords the Devil a certain degree of Latitude to serve His(the Lords) own purposes.

    If we think we can out smart the Devil by bargaining with Him, then that is to infer we are smarter than Him to begin with.

    I think the prexistent understanding of Him that we have in the Scriptures,suggest that that assumption is a shakey one at best.

    Grand illusions of the “THIRD DEGREE”, mirrors the wonderful reality of another THIRD DEGREE.

    As far as the mixing and matching of signs or Doctrines, of both the light and dark sides of truth, in order to comprehend the truth as God knows it…Joseph said it best when he said that he would accept 99 truths the Devil uses to coax us in and reject the one lie that traps us into accepting the illusion and being led astray.

    Knowing and living true doctrine and listening to our Spiritual Friend when we aren’t so sure what true doctrine is, is the ONLY means of staying on the strait and narrow.

    I’m a retired Marine and I know the value of knowing the enemy. Not by being pals with him, but in recognizing that same enemy within myself and trying my best to whip his butt first.

    The most beneficial aspect of understanding this life comes in knowing who the real enemy is. And as long as we walk this Earth as Mortals and HAVE to sit at the feet of the schoolmaster that the Temple Edowment is, to bring us into the presence of the Lord…we have proven to ourselves that we are not really sure who the enemy is.

    Once we gain that COSMIC perspective of ourselves from above the fray of self delusion, there is no reason to be here, unless of course, Heavenly Father desires many more of His children to aquire that understanding.

    That may be one of the reasons why Heavenly Father may need to AWAKEN some of us in order to build Zion based on the Priciple of Righteousness by raising the Man He feels Opitomizes RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    That should be the SIGN we first look for, as that will mean the GRAND SIGN of the Lord will soon follow.

    According to my understanding of Planetary SIGNS, the Sign of the coming of the ONE MIGHTY & STRONG was given in June 2004 in the form of the Transit of Venus which has the same Sign manefesting itself in a preliminary GRAND SIGN of Christ in the year 2012.

    Just as John the Baptist was sometimes confused with Christ…So too the ONE MIGHTY & STRONG (The Final John the Baptist/Elijah/SERVANT/Man like Moses/Escape Goat/ect…), will be indicative of ONE planet representing the Missions of TWO ETERNAL BROTHERS that are so much alike, yet very different, that one may confuse the TWO.

    And when all is said and done, the TWO of them will coexist and rule in Peace in the manner in which Moses(type for Christ), and His Brother Aaron (TYPE FOR the Holy Spirit),is described by Zechariah.

    An understanding that the GRAND SIGN of the structure and movement of the Planets of our solar system, is a simple narrative from it’s creator, of the ENTIRE PLAN OF SALVATION and it’s relative sequence of it’s events in TIME and ETERNITY, can prove to be useful to the Man needing such a sign.

    It’s the COSMIC WATCH that takes a “LICK’N and keeps on TICKI’N.

    All Righteous Men will soon gather beneath the “VINE & FIG TREE” to learn these things. But rest assured that some of us will know before others.

    Sound hard to decern this reality? You would be very surprised at just HOW SIMPLE it is.

    It just takes someone who is VERY FAMILAR with it’s intended design to teach us these Truths.

    Dose anyone wish to learn them before we rest in the shade of the Fig Tree?

  16. LittleMissie says:

    …hey, I am just a newbie to you all and this site…I will just read and listen for a while, but you have another in your midst that has felt like an outsider when I express similar beliefs as I read here tonight (((this morning? is it 4am???))) to my family and friends. Glad to find you!

  17. Welcome aboard LittleMissie!

    I suspect it is not mere coincidence that you find yourself here.

    If you have not already read ALL of the numbered posts contained at http://www.threewatches.blogspot.com I hope you do so before reading additional posts on this blogsite..

    …things will make much more sense if you do.

    Again,welcome aboard!

  18. CaliMom says:

    Brother Anthony Larson’s studies about the planets at Mormonprophecy.blostpot.com are amazing and I recommend you spend some time examining them. It was thru reading his and LDS Anarchy’s blog that I discovered you. I really think that an understanding of cosmology that you will get from his site will help you understand all prophesy regarding the heavens, stars, planets, etc. It is wonderful stuff!!!

  19. CaliMom

    Can you provide links to the 2 or 3 articles on the topic that you feel are the best?

  20. Ryan says:

    Did you ever connect with Rob? What about his time line as we now approach 2014?

    Also, who’s the mighty and strong one referred to in Isa. 28? I feel ignorant not knowing much about it.

  21. I can’t even remember much of my conversation with Rob… sorry.

    I am of the belief that the one mighty and strong in Isaiah 28 is the same one mentioned in D&C 85. I believe the servant in verse 2 is among those who had previously “erred” in verse 7. The priest (Rigdon) and the prophet (Smith) erred in vision and stumbled in judgement after their eyes were covered from their part in the atonement statute, but they later return and repent and go forth in power (See Section 1:25-27)

    Gileadi claims the person in verse one is an evil dude, not the righteous one mentioned in section 85.

    Pick you poison or find an even better interpretation 🙂

  22. Ryan says:

    I can see how Isa. 28:2 and D&C 85:6 refer to the same person.

    Especially since Isa. 28:2 says the Lord HATH a mighty and strong one.

    D&C 85:7 says that The Lord will send one mighty and strong clothed with light to set in order his house.

    Resurrected?

    Also who is verse 8 referring to? Joseph? I get lost in all the commas.

  23. Ryan says:

    I can see how Isa. 28:2 and D&C 85:6 refer to the same person.

    Especially since Isa. 28:2 says the Lord HATH a mighty and strong one.

    D&C 85:7 says that The Lord will send one mighty and strong, clothed with light, to set in order his house.

    Does the reference to being “clothed with light” have to do with being resurrected?

    Also who is verse 8 referring to? Joseph? I get lost in all the commas.

  24. Verse 8, in my opinion is referring to the state of the apostate church after all of the true teachings have been corrupted (verse 7)

    verse 13 takes the “line upon line” narrative that Latter day Saints associate in a very positive context of how things should be learned (see D&C 98:12 and 128:21) but it results in the Saints falling backwards, broken, snared and taken.. which leads them into being seduced into a covenant with Death *Satan* (Isa 28:15), etc. , etc., etc.

  25. Ryan says:

    Sorry for not being clear.

    I was asking in reference to D&C 85:8 that the man called and appointed of God shall fall by the shaft of death for putting forth his hand to steady the ark.

    Does that verse have reference to Joseph? If not, who?

  26. It does not have reference to Joseph.

    It has reference to someone who had been called of God to a high priesthood position, but did not have the right to intervene and steady the ark. It had reference to one who had not properly come in at the gate and been properly called and ordained per the instructions given by God. Such a person does not have the right to steady the ark. (see section 43)

    I could tell you who it has reference to, but then I would need to kill you! LOL

    So.. let us look the other way for now and just let things play out when the servants get back.

  27. Ryan says:

    Phew. Dodged that bullet. Thanks for clarifying.

    On another note, I’m not sure if you saw this buried in the other post.

    D&C 85:7 says that The Lord will send one mighty and strong, clothed with light, to set in order His house.

    Does the reference to being “clothed with light” have to do with being resurrected?

  28. Fusion says:

    Funnily enough I was laboring with this thought last night like Ryan. Was Joseph the one who called and apointed of God tries to steady the ark and is thus killed? The only one else that it could be is Sidney but he didn’t get killed. This leaves us with Hyrum who after Joseph quit as prophet of church, tries to steady the ark but is pretty much rejected and falls to his death ( although joseph did literally ‘fall’ to his death).

    Watcher you won’t need to kill anyone if u reveal thisas you’re already killing me with this suspense!!

  29. There is an interesting quote from Joseph somewhere, I think in Teachings of the PJS where Joseph said something to the effect of “I shall someday return and shine with the brightness of the sun” or something like that…

    They say that anytime you get two Jews together talking about one doctrine you will get three opinions.

    That would be me in this case. I have several speculations going on that topic. I don’t know what state Joseph will be in.

    A couple things to keep in mind-

    1- He may return without being clothed in light first, and then become clothed in light during the later part of the Marvelous Work.

    2- It is possible that even though he is clothed in light, most of the world will not discern it. Note the following statement from the Book of Mormon that seems to indicate that the Lord was walking around in power and great glory during is earthly ministry but the masses apparently did not comprehend the light

    27 And I looked and beheld the Redeemer of the world, of whom my father had spoken; and I also beheld the prophet who should prepare the way before him. And the Lamb of God went forth and was baptized of him; and after he was baptized, I beheld the heavens open, and the Holy Ghost come down out of heaven and abide upon him in the form of a dove.
    28 And I beheld that he went forth ministering unto the people, in power and great glory; and the multitudes were gathered together to hear him; and I beheld that they cast him out from among them.

  30. I am just having a little fun with you guys. I don’t know for sure who it is… I would suggest, however, that there are numerous other potential candidates that could fit the scenario.

    If the passage is referring to a past event where someone fell by the shaft of death in the 2nd watch, one cannot discount JS as a possibility, since he continued to teach and practice forbidden doctrines after being removed from his calling.

    I frankly believe the falling by the shaft of death is referring to an event in the 3rd watch and I associate it with 2 thes 2:7-8

    Also, don’t forget that the first laborers of the last kingdom may not be the only ones that return from the dead. There could be prominent laborers from the second watch that return to oppose the true servants.

    If in fact there are people from the second watch that return and then are struck down for trying to steady the ark, that opens a host of possibilities, including

    James, Strang
    David Whitmer
    Brigham Young
    etc., etc., etc. (did not each one of them step forward to steady the ark?)

    Lastly, it could be someone new from the 3rd watch that did not return from the 2nd watch… someone who is being critical of the modern church and providing another option to correct the situation. Perhaps someone claiming to lead the people to Zion, etc.

    That is why we all need to watch our P’s and our Q’s and not get to full of ourselves as we whine about the current state of things. We must patiently wait upon the Lord to return those who have been properly commissioned to take down the large tents of this circus.

    BTW,

    Speaking of those that have been ordained to disassemble the circus tents, I don’t think we have seen the last of JtB. I don’t think the following prophecy has been fulfilled yet (Section 84:28)

    How is that for taking this random discussion and relating it to the current topic of 110?

  31. Ryan says:

    Very interesting. So many possibilities.

    I agree, the best thing to do is take the spirit as our guide, wait and watch.

    I sense that things are going to be coming to a head between the LDS church and its members with its doctrine and policies.

    This whole new polygamy being legal now in Utah might also be another stumbling block. Especially since the only real reason that President Woodruff gave for not continuing the practice was that it was illegal and if continued the church would lose its property.

    Now that that hurdle has been removed and members begin to pressure the church to lift its ban on polygamy they will have to draw a hard fast line in the sand about the truth about polygamy and salvation in the highest kingdom of the celestial kingdom.

  32. David says:

    My dear brother Watcher and quests, I praise the Lord for all of your time and diligence in allowing further light into the darkness of this wilderness, thank you.

    The more in tune that we are to reading, searching, digging, meditating, seeking, knocking and asking, the more that we are able to see and hear the messages of truth within our own lives. Verifying and Validating (Vav) in my own conflicted world by constantly prayer and communication with God is the only way that I can understand this crazy world!

    I have been preaching all truth to my three witnesses (the last 3 boys of my 7) as I discover it. I chose to let my family discover on their own as I was moved by the Spirit to do so upon arriving here in Saltless Lake City in 10/93, so that I could be a front row seat witness as to the state of “the church!”

    One thing that I always told the whole grout was to never believe a word that I said or that any man says until the Holy Spirit verifies and validates those words. I was warned numerous times by members to not move to Utah and that I could lose my testimony as to how things really go down there/here! That sealed my desire as I received my witness to one day raise my family here when I first came here in 2/78 to attend the first temple marriage in my family who converted in ’68. I can dispell the lies that the Spirit cannot speak to those who are doing things that are not in alignment with “the word of wisdom” as I was quite the rebellious partying spirit from Motown!

    Dreams and promptings of the Spirit have guided me to build my faith and testimony on “The Patience of God!” I have been blessed with an ability to discern very clearly who created and is in control of the Unverse and not get caught up in the controversies of man so that I miss the real opportunity to gather and get “caught up!” we are so blessed to communicate the profound truth and wisdom oth the Holy Word of God! I am in awe as I choose to live in a state of gratitude always! I love spending great amounts of time “walking and talking to God, the Savior and the Holy Ghost, it is and has been imperative in my spiritual development as I communicate to them as if they are in my audience of spirits. I communicate to the audience of spirits that are attracted to me because I feel it is my mission to “speak all truth” in private to hear our thoughts to clarify and discern our realities pertaining to this magnificent experience of the return of Gods chosen ones to bring the needed light of truth to our consciousness.

    We all have specifics in our existence that we can attribute to Gods way of communicating with us if we are coherent to the Spirit and are willing to believe that they are present for our edification as we need everything we can get in gaining greater faith, exhibiting greater hope and immersing ourselves in the pure love of Christ In always being charitable by exchanging in kind with one anther in honor!

    To be one is to be equal with one another as equality is the foundational principle in attaining a pure heart. In equality is iniquity and those who are not willing to impart of their substance and consecrate “all things” unto the Father do not trust the Father and therefor cannot be found worthy to come unto Zion!

    Watcher, you and your blog are one of the most incredible finds of my existence as you have and are imparting greatly of your substance by sharing and teaching many like me who do not have word crunching software. My scriptures are a testimony to my ability to word crunch as they look as though they have been crunched by a semi truck and have more ink on the pages than the ink of the Word! Ha ha! I received them from my wife in the mid eighties, truly the greatest gift one could receive from another! I had used the separate books issued by the church prior and loved them so much!
    I share this node n other reason than my testimony is unshakable as long as I dedicate my learning first and foremost to the Holy Word of God! Holy Ghost, Jesus(Word)Christ and God is in the Holy Word of God! Beautiful!!! The Rock that one must build faith upon! I love that there is a town here named Sandy! No conciseness in this realm!

    I have been blessed to see many things as they really are pertaining to our existence in this realm and the realm of our nation and the world, as I have been a student of the Laws o the land and how everything associated with our being has been counterfitted by the ruler of this world that we live in! I am amazed at the similitude of the state of the church and the state of the union as both have been polluted to the highest degree! Just like in ancient times in Judah and Israel!!! Fascinating!!! The drunkards of Ephraim is contextual to both the church and the government hence “the Kingdom!” Joseph’s last dream is crystal clear as to where things are and what is directly upon us!

    I am a nobody, but I like you and many of your guests have received personal revelation that is SIGNificant in my own realm as I seek not for signs for confirmation of truth because signs follow those who are attuned to the events unfolding. I came to this blog in 7/13 and have been choosing to read it in its entirety to gain greater truth, knowledge, understanding and wisdom. It has been edifying to my soul to learn many details of dots I have sought and discovered on my journey! I too believe that a major shift has taken place since ’09 and that many many signs and wonders are in play! This blog is truly one of the signs that I prayed for as I am just barely(D-GPA) twelfth grade educated human with an incredible thirst for reading and seeking “the truth in All Things=the Power of the Word!”

    I have a birth date of 7-11-59 and have a son born on my birthdate, my numbers reveal how many that are in my family and many other facts. My wife has a birthdate that is peculiar to our family and she too has a son born on her birthday. The other five children each have signicant birthdates and the timing of their births are significant to Gods glorious blessings in our lives. It’s like we have two distinct families because we had four children then had a five year break and then had three more. I am sharing this personal information with the world because are the not the richest blessings along side of the Word of God that one can receive upon this existence??? Material things have no life in them! Zero! We will not even take the lint from one of our pockets upon leaving this place! Intelligence, attitude and condition of ones heart are it! Period!!! I have always felt that my birth into this world was significant as I truly believe that the ’50’s were the end of innocence and I have sought to live to see the unfolding of the Marvelous Work and a Wonder! And God has allowed me that opportunity! Praise God! I have found many fascinating pecularities in my scripture study as to the days, months and years that we are in in comparison to the books, chapters and verses. I believe the significance of seven is in all of Gods work and find it interesting that we are in a year divisible by seven and adds up to seven! I also have another son born on 7-15 and one on 8-7 and one has servers a mission and has been sealed in the temple and the other has discerned the condition of the church on his own volition. Again, this is just observations and things that have triggered my interests as to what the Father is showing me in my personal life, not to be taken as any other thing period.

    I just find it very interesting in my own life that my family is in similitude of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel as I have been sent away from my tribe since ’09 and have not nor do my wife and I intend to divorce and I have seven children that are split 3-1-3 for me and the truth that I stand for, 3 for, 1 neutral and 3 against that stand with my wife. 313 just happens to be the area code from where my wife and I came into the world! Ha ha! My mothers name is Mary and my birthday son named his son Co(h)en! I have a father and brother with the same names that have tried to destroy me, with three loving sisters who stood by me along with my mother in my choosing to serve God!

    I have been on the precipice of death more than a cat has lives and can assure you that we do not die!!! We just move on in our eternal existence! This is eternity people! For we do not pass again through a veil like the one we passed through from our presence with the Father!!! I choose to live in poverty because I am able to focus more on my Fathers plan for me as I could have been taken out by events that were both self inflicted and brought upon myself. Never once wanting to take the selfish exit, just purposes brought upon to bring me into the bosom of Christ our Savior. Live and love today! Faith in God is the essential key, Trust in God is what we must become as we can and will allow out will to be swallowed up in His will by taking upon the name of the Savior in our hearts and Doing the Will of the Father, by of and through His Infinite Atonement.

    Praise God all day in all things and you will find peace in this craziness! It is the only way to truly find peace! Do not excite yourself with the condition of the church and the precepts of men! It is all in Gods majesty!!! We conflict ourselves with a left brain mind that speaks because the ego resides there, and we have the laws written in our right brain heart with a mind of its own that cannot speak unless we understand the unrighteous jurisdiction of the left brain overruling the righteous jurisdiction of the Up Right Heart! Two think twice is subtle! (Two supreme Beings, Think, Holy Ghost, mind of God, think alike) by two or three witnesses, as the Godhead is a contract, surety and witness in its Being One! Patience is truly a virtue as we have arrived to the year of Wonderful and Marvelous Works to shine further light!!!

    The Atonement Statute/ Scapegoat Doctrine had to be revealed to the world prior to these mostamazing events unfold so that the discerners of Gods infallible word could be understood in its Fulness pertaining to unveiled truths and there importance to our understanding and receiving additional truths revealed! How can one expect the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon and other records of revelations if one is not willing to immerse ones self into the enormity of what we have already received!?!? The trail from Jerusalem (Kirtland) to the Saltless dust of es-El-see is manifest in all of Watchers work!

    I have always known from my own spiritual witness that where I came to the world represents the all giving and chastising Hand of God, surrouded by the Living Bodies of Water(micHIgan) that Signify to the world the sustaining hand over the heart(oHIo) where the HIgher Law was restored, broken and taken up until. . .? 2016??? 180 years, 180 degrees is what one must do to turn from sin, forsaking it and to face God to see the face of God! Which is what we are commanded to do while in the flesh! May turning from the false traditions and fables of those who have pre-seeded us be our full effort as we REPENT and prepare our HEARTS for increased TRUTH and LIGHT in the NAME of our Redeemer, our LORD JESUS, The CHRIST,our SAVIOR Amen

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