Peace and Safety

I feel like rambling for a while about some random prophecy concepts and then I will share some thoughts and speculations I have about events that will take place in the near future.

I may intentionally withhold some of the corresponding scriptures that pertain to the events I am going to discuss.

In some cases I have already provided these scriptures in previous posts.

As you know, I am a heretic, so don’t expect everything I say to be congruent with what you have heard from the pew or studied in books and manuals. My observation regarding prophesy need to be weighed in the balance of scripture, not lesson manuals conference talks and faith promoting rumors.

First let me say that just as the VAST majority of God’s people of the Jewish nation completely misinterpreted prophecy and the signs of the times, and ultimately failed to recognize the savior of the world in the 1st watch and just as his people among the Gentiles did the same thing and failed to realize his hidden, spiritual presence was in their midst during the 2nd watch, the same will thing will be true with the vast majority of God’s people among the Gentiles during the 3rd watch. The difference is, there WILL be a remnant that are redeemed and victoriously bring forth Zion.

If your prophecy paradigm is based on the common teachings taught in any religion of this day, including ALL of the branches of Christianity and the LDS restoration movement.. be prepared for some real surprises during the next few years.

Let me review some basics.. that many people are not familiar with.

1- The Savior visits the earth three separate times, in three separate and distinct dispensations, in secret, as a thief in the night BEFORE he returns in glory. This makes for four distinct periods that he comes in. He has already come in secret during the 1st and 2nd watches.

The majority of Christians only acknowledge two of the above mentioned visits and most LDS  remnants only comprehend two or three visits and therefore most of the above mentioned sects are now thinking about and waiting and watching for his return in Glory. A very small remnant which we shall refer to as the elect are actually looking for the events of the 3rd watch referred to as the Marvelous Work and the final Restoration. The elect realize that the 3rd visit in the 3rd watch must precede the Second Coming in Glory. The elect, who have accepted and searched the additional light and knowledge contained in the additional scriptures that have come forth as a result of the LDS restoration movement are looking forth for his return in secret.. (he may have already returned)

The 3rd watch begins when he comes in secret, like a thief in the night and it culminates when he comes in great glory.. as a robber in broad daylight.

It begins when he returns to the vineyard with his primary servant who gathers together other servants and reclaims at least a portion of Zion.

2- If you are hoping to be on the earth watching him when he returns in his glory and descends to earth then you must be hoping for a terrestrial inheritance because the elect will not be on the earth when he descends… they will be descending with him. The elect will be gathered and will be caught up to meet him in the cloud and will descend with him when he returns in his glory. Zion from above meets Zion from below in the clouds and they descend together.

3- The Savior will spiritually be in our midst during the 3rd watch and, through the power of divine possession the Lord will go through the earth as a mighty man. Just as the Lord laid his hands on the head of Edward Partridge through the hands of Sidney Rigdon,  the Lord will also do variously things in like manner through other beings during the 3rd watch. This will make for a real test because there will be deceivers and imposters who will be making great claims and showing forth great power as well.

4- The Kingdom of God must be established on the earth before the Kingdom of Heaven can return. That will necessitate people  claiming to have the priesthood right to reign in behalf of Christ. There will be true prophets and false prophets.

5- The elect of God which is an extremely small portion of people compared to the total population base of the US and even a very small percentage compared to the “outer church”, will be gathered to an interim gathering place while God wipes the remainder of the inhabitants of this land from off of the face thereof. He will do this through rioting, war, plagues, etc. If you believe this is a choice land that will always provide a safe haven for “honorable people” you have been deceived… Death and destruction is in store for the inhabitants of this land.

6- If you feel that all you need to do is to follow a PROPHET and he will guide you through the maze of last days events, you are practicing a form of Idolatry that will cost you dearly. The key is personal revelation. Only people who are prophets will overcome scratch and get the highest crown.

7- Once the land has been cleansed, the New Jerusalem will be built and established with the center place being just exactly where God said it will be established. Missionaries with the fulness of the gospel will then go out into all the world and as Zion grows it will spread out into stakes of Zion.

8- The key to passing the test and not being deceived in the ultimate sense is in taking the Holy Spirit as your Guide and being sealed up by the Holy Spirit of Promise. If that does not take place there is no amount of knowledge you can get that will help you and there is nobody that you can follow that can save you.

9- Virtually all of the major events spoken of in the scriptures about the end times including those using the term Jerusalem are referring to the land of America.

Ok, Now lets look at the following scripture-

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief

Some translations say “peace and security” instead of “peace and safety” … they mean pretty much the same thing.

Again, virtually all prophecies have multiple fulfillments. The above scripture had a fulfillment in the lives of the people living in the meridian of time. If you are not familiar with the events of Pella, you need to become familiar with them because we are going to have a latter day Pella…. of sorts.

Another fulfillment of the above scripture is about to take place here in America.

With regard to it’s application in the end times, I used to think that the scripture was speaking about a time of peace and safety that is interrupted by sudden destruction, perhaps a military strike from an invading army or terrorist group, However, I would like to suggest that the scripture is not referring to a time of peace and safety but rather a time when there is no peace and safety and the wicked politicians are saying peace and safety.

Here are a few examples of some of the buzz taking place by our political leaders..

In 2007 Obama said;

Our job is to renew the United States’ efforts to help Israel achieve peace with its neighbors while remaining vigilant against those who do not share this vision. . . . That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point. And when we see all of the growing threats in the region: from Iran to Iraq to the resurgence of al-Qaeda to the reinvigoration of Hamas and Hezbollah, that loyalty and that friendship will guide me as we begin to lay the stones that will build the road that takes us from the current instability to lasting peace and security.

On the Obama website the propaganda goes like this;

“Work towards Two States Living Side by Side in Peace and Security: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe in working towards a two-state solution, with both states living side by side in peace and security. To that end, Senators Obama and Biden are cosponsors of the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006.

Our new Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton recently made the following declaration;

Israel’s right to exist, and exist in safety and peace, must never be called into question,”

In his inauguration speech President Obama said;

Our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down – we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security – we support you.”

So here we are, at the end of the 400 year prophecy and at a time when, thanks to 911 and the “war on terror” the buzz is about peace and safety.

I am going to suggest that perhaps one of the next big prophetic events coming up has to do with a sudden destruction.

I would also like to suggest that there will at some point in time be a sudden destruction that takes everyone by surprise that will not be a terrorist group (although the powers that be may spin it that way) but rather the servants of God who have returned to reclaim Zion and to rend the kingdoms of the world will create the sudden destruction. It will be a military strike of sorts… however they will have previously have put our a proclamation and warning to the government.

The sudden destruction will have to do with the “desolation” of “abomination“.

In a general sense the coming forth of the kingdom of God will result in the desolation of wickedness and all wicked people.

That their souls may escape the wrath of God, the desolation of abomination which awaits the wicked, both in this world and in the world to come. D&C 88: 85

Then shall they know that I am the Lord, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed. Ezek. 33: 29

So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. Jer. 44: 22

However, there may be a more specific event being referred to as well.

It may have to do with the destruction of a physical structure that is an abomination in the sight of God. It is a structure that is sitting in a holy place and it ought naught be sitting where it is because it is very offensive to God and it needs to be removed in order for the Kingdom of God to replace it and roll forth.

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains Mark 13: 14

I wish I could go into more detail but it is important to use prudence at this time.

If you are one of the ones that understands what I am speaking about from past posts, please do not make comments to this post that would give this away at this time. If you are curious please don’t submit questions about it at this time, if you are supposed to understand this you will… if it is not time for you to understand this.. you won’t.

Some of you might be thinking what a curious thing this would be for the kingdom of God to begin rolling forth this way before the last warning goes out to all nations, kindred’s and peoples… but this is what is described by Daniel. First the toe of the image representing all of the nations of the world is smashed, then the stone rolls forth to fill the earth.

The reason for this is that before the gospel can go forth to all people, God needs to rend the kingdoms of the world and create chaos in order to begin to reestablish the Kingdom of God on earth. There is no need to gather people until there is a place prepared for people to be gathered to… even if it is for an interim gathering.

God will use his servants to rend the kingdoms of the world.

It appears that the servants of the Lord God of Israel send a proclamation to the kingdoms of the world inviting them to repent and submit themselves to the Kingdom of Zion at a set time.. Many of the kingdoms of the world will not respond with love and affection. Once the destruction takes place and the holy place is reclaimed by God’s servants, the kingdoms of the world will gather to fight against Zion… they will respond to the invitation to come to the feast and the sacrifice but they gather to destroy instead of gathering to submit to the new kingdom. Hence they become the the sacrifice, they become the feast for the fowls of the air.

The following verses in section 58 are very cryptic. They appear to be describing a happy gathering of both the rich and the poor;

Behold, verily I say unto you, for this cause I have sent you—that you might be obedient, and that your hearts might be aprepared to bbear ctestimony of the things which are to come; And also that you might be honored in laying the foundation, and in bearing record of the land upon which the aZion of God shall stand;

And also that a feast of fat things might be prepared for the apoor; yea, a feast of fat things, of wine on the blees well refined, that the earth may know that the mouths of the prophets shall not fail; Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all anations shall be invited.

First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the apoor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the bmarriage of the Lamb, and partake of the csupper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.

Behold, I, the Lord, have spoken it. And that the atestimony might go forth from Zion, yea, from the mouth of the city of the heritage of God—

Have you ever wondered why the rich, learned, wise and noble must come to the feast of fat things first in a separate group at a separate time?
To the casual observer one might speculate that perhaps they are getting a nicer inheritance than the poor lame, blind and deaf.. or at least their wealth and nobility allows them to be seated first, etc. but I would submit that if you do an in depth key word search it will take you to the feast of the Lord mentioned in parts of EZEK 21 & 39, ZEPH 1, ISA 25 & 34 etc.

This first feast brings forth the wicked nations that don’t want to submit to the power of Zion. They declare war against Zion.. they are destroyed by Zion and by the fact that God turns them against themselves.

The exact same subliminal message contained in section 58 is embedded in the President Elect prophesy in section 124. To the casual reader, it appears that the Kings of the Earth will all come submit themselves to the light of Zion… NOT!

The stage is set for a show down. The kingdoms of the world are not about to submit to the kingdom of God and they are getting ready to gather together against Zion.

And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.

Now for some speculation…

The other night while randomly surfing the net I came across an interesting clip of a talk given by some guy named Jay Weidner. In it he speaks of some guy names “Cliff” who is some kind of futurist techno-visionary.

Apparently Cliff, has been making predictions with an amazing degree of accuracy. If Jay is referring to Cliff High, he appears to predict things using Webbots (a spyder program which tracks all trends bases on words spydered from the internet)

Some of his previous predictions pertained to 911; “late summer, high rise buildings, airplanes, bombs, terrorists, many die“. With regard to Katrina he had said “flood, southern city, many die, big storms, high winds...”

He also predicted Oct 6 2008 which was the height of the financial crash…

Anyway, when asked in an interview what the the next big date is he said “January 26th 2009 …. US will default on its debt… will result in a world wide revolution

He goes on to speak about 2012… “economic collapse.. revolution… we are reduced to tribal communities and growing your food will be 80% of your time etc...”
He also makes some interesting comments about the sun.

Listen to what this guy is saying about Jan 26th 2009

So one of the things that caught my attention was his comment about January 26th 2009. As I was looking at my day planner I noticed that the 26th falls on a “new moon.”

I remembered that the new moon is a significant sign pertaining to prophecy.

Let me share three interesting prophetic observations about the New Moon;

1- the new moon marked the time anciently when the king and his court would attend the feast. This could be prophetically significant regarding the Feast of Fat Things coming up.  “And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat..” 1 Sam. 20: 5, 18, 24

2-  The “appointed time” begins with a New Moon; “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. Ps. 81: 3 This is referring to the time mentioned in section 88 when the first laborers of the last kingdom return and call their solemn assembly to begin the feast of fat things.

3- The time when all flesh comes to worship the Lord begins with a new moon; “And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord Isa. 66: 23

Since the new moon plays such a critical role in prophecy and the events of the last days and since I have shown in previous posts why the one year period following the 400 year period mentioned in Gen 15 appears to be April 6th 2008 to April 6th 2009, here is a schedule of the new moons for 2009 that may be interesting to you;

New Moon for January, 2009

  • January 26, 07:55

New Moon for February, 2009

  • February 25, 01:35

New Moon for March, 2009

  • March 26, 16:06

New Moon for April, 2009

  • April 25, 03:23

New Moon for May, 2009

  • May 24, 12:11

New Moon for June, 2009

  • June 22, 19:35

New Moon for July, 2009

  • July 22, 02:35

New Moon for August, 2009

  • August 20, 10:02

New Moon for September, 2009

  • September 18, 18:44

New Moon for October, 2009

  • October 18, 05:33

New Moon for November, 2009

  • November 16, 19:14

New Moon for December, 2009

  • December 16, 12:02

It is interesting that while signs in the heavens play a role in prophecy pertaining to true prophets, they also play a very important role for Satan’s minions as well.

The holy word of God informs us that our nation will be ruled by the occult and will be entrenched in witchcraft at the time that he sends his servants to destroy the bloody city;

Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not; The noise of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots. The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses: Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.” (Naham 3)

Micah tells us that the God will cut off witchcrafts and soothsayers and graven images out of the land, he also documents how the Davidic Servant comes forth who is to be ruler in Israel;

Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek. But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall HE come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord, that I will cut off thy horse out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots: And I will cut off the cities of thy land, and throw down all thy strong holds: And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers: Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands. And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee: so will I destroy thy cities. And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard (Micah 5)

The Sorsha Faal website which admittedly is certainly not the most credible or reliable source of information, has a fascinating article that addresses how many of the US presidents and their wives have been involved in the occult. The title of it is January 26th ‘Messiah’ Solar Eclipse To Plunge World Into Total Chaos. It also speaks of the time of the “last president” ending in 2012.

I have no idea how much if any of the information contained in the above mentioned article is accurate, but it appears to be consistent with some of the other information that seems to be reverberating at this time about this topic. below is an exerpt;

“It is important to note at this point that our Orders association, and knowledge, of the book “Astrological Guide For American Presidents: 1930-2012” was gained through the direct association of the Sorcha Faal’s meeting with Edith Wilson in 1955, at a seminar held by the Woodrow Wilson Foundation in Dublin and where the Sorcha Faal recorded both her knowledge of this book and Mrs. Wilson’s stating to her that she had personally put it into the hands of every American First Lady, and which as history has shown included the wife of President John F. Kennedy upon his taking the Oath of Office on January 20, 1961, and which was the last Presidential Inauguration to be attended by Mrs. Wilson as she died on December 28, 1961, at the age of 89, and what would have been her late husbands President Woodrow Wilson’s 105th birthday….  And of the notes that the Sorcha Faal has left to us of this book, and its particular relevance to the new American President Barack Obama, I quote directly from her personal archive notes dated 18 November 1955…

To the last President she [we assume this to be in reference to Madame Marcia Champney] wrote that he will usurp the will of the Eye of Ra and seek upon the coming solar eclipse to follow the old moon, not the new, which will raise against him the greatest enemy of the kings and bring the earth near to the destruction he knows must come before its renewal.”

Notice how the raising of the greatest enemy of the “kings” addresses the theme of the great supper and how the kings of the earth shall gather at the time of destruction just before the great era of peace begins.

In light of the above mentioned predictions that the last presidency begins ends in 2012 and that the last president will “seek upon the coming solar eclipse to follow the old moon not the new” here is another fascinating prophecy given nearly a century ago predicting that the demise of the American Nation will come about under the watch of a descendant of Kenya.

Kenyan Prophet, Johanwa Owalo, the founder of Kenya’s Nomiya Luo Church, and who among the Kenya people of the Luo religion is believed to be a prophet similar to Jesus Christ and Muhammad, and who in 1912 made this horrific prophecy about the United States:

So far have they [the United States] strayed into wickedness in those [future] times that their destruction has been sealed by my [father]. Their great cities will burn, their crops and cattle will suffer disease and death, their children will perish from diseases never seen upon this Earth, and I reveal to you the greatest [mystery] of all as I have been allowed to see that their [the United States] destruction will come about through the vengeful hands of one of our very own sons.”

Anyway.. just some food for thought.. about some upcoming events.. the feast of fat things and the significance of the new moon… am I predicting something will happen on Monday? NO. I’ll leave that to those in our midst who consider themselves to be prophets to make those kinds of declarations.. I’m just a watcher.. watching is what I do.

Keep watching

9 Responses to Peace and Safety

  1. NEPT says:

    Hey Watching, I just wanted to leave a comment to make sure I was on the same page as you are.

    You said…

    “I would also like to suggest that there will at some point in time be a sudden destruction that takes everyone by surprise that will not be a terrorist group (although the powers that be may spin it that way) but rather the servants of God who have returned to reclaim Zion and to rend the kingdoms of the world will create the sudden destruction. It will be a military strike of sorts… however they will have previously have put our a proclamation and warning to the government.”

    In other words…

    “Therefore, get ye straightway unto my land; break down the aalls of mine enemies; throw down their tower, and scatter their watchmen.”

  2. That is exactly right. In conjuction with this we are told in section 84:118 that God uses his servants when they return to “rend the kingdoms of the world”.

    possibly at about the same time that the tower of the enemies is pulled down, the servants somehow rend the kingdoms of the world.

    It is interesting to note the following parallel, Sidney Rigdon was compared to John the Baptist in modern revelation.

    earlier in section 84 in verse 28 we are told that John was foreordained to overthrow the kingdom of the Jews back at the time of Christ.

    We know from latter day revelation that Sidney Rigdon plays a major role when the servants return.

    Although there will be multiple players, Sidney is perhaps the primary player in overthrowing and rending the established kingdoms of the world… possibly by creating a great shaking…

  3. waitingandwatching says:

    Test number one

  4. hell raising love monster says:

    You also said in the “Baheemy, Ram on the Mountain” paper that Lyman Wight would be involved in a great military strike. I wondered, why Lyman?

    Also it sounds like the tower that will be torn down was built to replace the tower that had been in the process of being built, but was destroyed by the enemy before the tower was finished.

    I wont say more.

  5. Baneemy is a military title that goes with the calling that he has.

    The answer if further elaborated in some of the previous articles.

    “Also it sounds like the tower that will be torn down was built to replace the tower that had been in the process of being built, but was destroyed by the enemy before the tower was finished.”


  6. Forest says:

    Exactly ten years ago this month, I remember participating in a dedication service broadcast via satellite. Many testimonies were shared. One particular testimony included quotations from a book called the Fate of the Persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith. I remember distinctly as the quotes were read that I expected the next message from the speaker would be about moving forward after so many generations, offering forgiveness for those who had fallen to depravity in mortality, not binding ourselves to the past because the Atonement of Christ heals all and that such a rebuilding is proof that in time all wounds can mend. My heart fell a little when the actual message I heard from such a holy place was essentially…they got what they deserved.

    Sometimes, I hear well meaning quotes like the following:
    “I believe that Latter-day Saints who give unselfish service and sacrifice in worshipful imitation of our Savior adhere to eternal values to A GREATER EXTENT THAN ANY OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE.”

    Yet lately, when I hear these, something else comes to mind from 3 NE 16:10 “…and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts ABOVE all nations, and ABOVE all the people of the whole earth…”

    A very common theme from the pulpit is Royalty …
    “We are rearing a ROYAL generation” (1976)
    “young people who represent this ROYAL generation of youth” (1983)
    “In order for us to more clearly envision the divine destiny of this chosen and ROYAL generation”(2008)
    They are indeed a ROYAL generation, preparing as they and their children and grandchildren prepare for the second coming of Jesus Christ.(1992)
    …there are other quotes too but you get the idea. I find it interesting that in DC 101 there is the parable of the watchmen who were yet laying the foundation and began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower? And preceding this parable, the revelation warns what the attitude or sin is that could cause such short sightedness…verse 41 – 42 “Behold here is wisdom concerning the children of Zion, even many, but not all; they were found transgessors, therefore they must needs be chastened – He that exalteth himself shall be abased and he that abaseth himself shall be exalted.”

    It is always Pride that is at the root of all our failings. Attempting to build ourselves up makes us blind and we question even The Lord.

    I think Sister Beck did a nice job of gently remind us little Royal Highnesses what we should be doing…
    “I often hear about the chosen, ROYAL generation of this dispensation, but I have never heard it called the perfect generation… My second lesson is that repentance isn’t optional. We are commanded to repent. The Savior taught that unless we repent and “become as a little child, … [we] can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.”

    And forgive me for this post, I think I am straying too far into pride for just having pointed out such things. Truly I am the most vain and prideful of all.

    • “…they were found transgessors, therefore they must needs be chastened”

      I think you nailed it Forest.

      The Latter day Saints of our generation living on the earth right now have inherited the pride, blindness and stiffnecked disposition of our forefathers.

      I am not blaming them… I think we are simply the same as them..

      The scriptures refer to God’s people living on the earth when the call goes forth, as being “sleepy”, “blind” and “drunk”.

      God has actually put this blindness upon those who came before us and also upon their posterity (upon us), nevertheless we are not without hope.

      Prophecy also informs us about a time when the light will break forth and the elect will repent and be gathered out. I believe that gathering will happen very soon.

      This includes the elect who lived during Joseph’s ministry who were told in section 105 that they would have to wait a little season for the redemption of Zion, before they could live the laws of Zion (fulness of the gospel) as well as those of our current generation and everyone between those two periods of time.

      I don’t think you have been vain and prideful for pointing out what should be obvious but isn’t. I think that it takes a humble person to point out the problems with the people He loves, particularly if he is including himself. I sense that you include yourself among this generation that needs to repent.

      I also include myself among this generation that needs to repent.

      The fact that people begin to “awake” to the awful situation they find themselves in and their loved ones in, does not mean that they are arrogant and prideful, it means they are showing forth the beginning stages of repentance by acknowledging that we latter day saints as a people have gone astray.

      I personally acknowledge that I am among those with darkened minds. I feel I am beginning to awaken but I continually learn about false beliefs that I need to discard.

      The cold hard fact is that we all need to receive the spiritual rebirth that is going to be offered when God sends forth his servants.

      Ultimately, the scriptures seem to indicate that I and the people I love will not completely repent and be made clean until the servants return in power with the fulness of priesthood and the fulness of Gospel.

      Until then, I can only assume that God is pleased when he hears public acknowledgements from people like you that there needs to be a repentance and that we all need to become childlike and to receive correction.

      Thank you for your thoughts

      • One more related thought..

        When the light was beginning to shine forth in the beginning of Joseph’s first ministry the Lord said-

        “And there are none that doeth good except those who are ready to receive the fulness of my gospel, which I have sent forth unto this generation.”

        I believe that is where we stand today.

        God is getting ready to return his servant who will restore the fulness of priesthood and gospel to the earth. At this particular time, ” there are none that doeth good except those who are ready to receive the fulness of my gospel” which is about to be returned to the earth.

        those who are going to be prepared to recieve the fulness of the gospel are those who can acknowledge that we have all gone astray and need to repent and reform.

  7. Trees says:

    Forest: I remember that event very well, and what a bad feeling that left me with. I was also present this May (by way of broadcast) for another very important dedication in the same area of the country. Publicly members were told to not make connections to historical events in relation to this new temple, and I would have to say that while one gloating remark was made in the privacy of the dedication; it was far milder than those earlier comments.

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