For those who are Watching…

November 28, 2008

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It contains deep doctrine pertaining to the LDS Restoration Movement and the Restored Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

One must first learn to swim before one enters into deep waters.

The content provided herein is for those who have been weaned from the breast and yearn for the meat. Those not prepared for the meat can choke on it.

It is for those who have contracted the spirit of watching and have made it through the “Third Watch Boot Camp” which consists of reading every numbered post in chronological order on the above mentioned three watches blog, beginning with the very first post which lays the foundation for the journey you are about to embark on.

If you make it that far and still want more information to read, this blog would be next.

If you cheat and read the information in this site first, you risk getting a big, ugly wart on the end of your nose and you will only be cheating yourself. The content in this blog will make much more sense and be much more meaningful if you lay the proper foundation first.

The deeper doctrines of the kingdom have the ability to either enhance your “testimony” of the restored gospel or expose how frail it is, based on the doctrinal and spiritual foundation you have acquired before you read this information.

Prepare for the journey of your life…. we’re not in Kansas anymore Toto


misc articles

The Bridegroom Tarried…

Seven Shepherds and an Angel

A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement

Why have ye transfigured the Holy Word of God?

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine

We have found the Messias!

The Fulness of the Father

When the Floods come and the Winds Blow and the Rains Descend
Watching for the signs in the heavens

A Second Look at the Ten Virgins
Analysing the literal meaning and time frame of the Parable of the Ten Virgins

Searching for the Holy Order and 23 High Priests-

Part 1- Lyman Wight Sees the Father and the Son

Part 2 The Man of Sin is Revealed

Part 3- Melchizedek Priesthood required to Establish Zion

Part 4- The Highest Priesthood makes you a Possessor of All Things

Part 5- Patriarchal Priesthood Administers New and Everlasting Covenant

Part 6- The Transfiguration of Lyman Wight

Part 7- True Oath & Covenant found in True Manner of Baptism

Part 8- The Gospel of Abraham and Patriarchal Polygamy

Part 9- Three Orders of Priesthood

Part 10- Three Distinct Churches Representing Three Distinct Gospel Laws

Baneemy- The Wild Ram of the Mountains
A look at one of the most amazing personalities of the LDS Restoration Movement

The Law of Adoption and the Sealing Principles
How did the Law of Adoption and Sealing Principles evolved into “Families are Forever”?

Black and White Robes- Part One
Ancient prophesies warn that latter day Israel would be seduced into a false covenant

Black and White Robes Part Two
Ancient prophesies warn that a breach will take place between God and his people

Black and White Robes Final

“I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God”
Was it only the righteous in the pre-existent war in heaven that came to earth to go through moral probation?

BECOME ye therefore perfect? OR BE ye therefore perfect?
Did Christ really mean what he said when he commanded us to BE perfect instead of to BECOME perfect?

How do we avoid being decieved? Intellectual knowledge? Warm fuzzy feelings? Or searching the word of God so the Holy Spirit can teach us through mind and our heart?

The Fulness of the Father
The doctrine of oneness and the Celestial Cloning of the Gods

“Bring AGAIN Zion”
Why is it that the Nephite Zion was not translated and caught up into heaven like the city of Enoch? Is it that they still have a mission to fulfill here on earth?

Peace and Safety
Right before the sudden destruction people will be saying “Pease and Safety”

The Return of Sidney Rigdon, God’s Spokesman- Part Four
Fourth and final part

The Unrestrained Ponderings and Pontifications of a Heretic
The mystical Union of the Sexes-Composite Beings- The Abrahamic Priesthood-

The Spiritual Wife Doctrine
The Celestial Law of Consecration requires the Holy Principle of Marital Monogamy

Notable Emails #21 ” I don’t believe the current LDS Church has ANY “authority” – especially BECAUSE they preach that the culmination of the Gospel is the Masonic Rituals..”

October 7, 2015

A few more recent emails-

Email from GM

Given that the church seems to be doing a relatively good job of missionary work and testifying of Christ, as the Gospel of Abraham seems to provide the priesthood keys for, is there some evidence in the scriptures that indicate why, or that indeed God would allow corrupt temple worship as a stumbling block in the church concurrent to it also fulfilling it’s authorized purpose during this dispensation?  Did the ancient dispensation of Abraham include any form of temple worship?

Also, are you aware that symbols such as the compass and square, as well as Jewish symbols such as the menorah and oil lamp have been found in the same army corps of engineers diagram of a massive 40 acre plus structure dating to the Hopewell mound culture that was purportedly levelled by the corps?  Is this just an elaborate hoax?  Or indication of secret combinations of that time?  Or indication of temple worship of that time?

Could temple worship be so sacred it is not plainly manifest in scripture?  The Lord seemed to work in secret behind the veil with Joseph and Oliver and with the delayed publishing of sec 110.  Are some things necessarily kept secret so the cunning one will not have an advantage such as saying silent prayers so they are not heard by him?

I don’t claim to have answers to any of these questions but am curious if they spark any fires or sound any echoes with your extensive searches of the scriptures?

With regards to my former email, i guess I hesitate to just throw temple worship out as nothing but an abomination.  Although I see the points that have been raised against it, some of which I can totally relate to – it is an odd thing and seemingly incongruent with the simple plain truths of the gospel.  My mother has always believed the church is true but has never liked the temple.  I understand how the covenants therein could give one a false sense of their standing before God.  But it can also serve to the more humble and honest of heart as a reminder and a vehicle towards obtaining and maintaining the things, both temporal and spiritual, necessary for salvation and the establishing of Zion.

My response

“Given that the church seems to be doing a relatively good job of missionary work and testifying of Christ, as the Gospel of Abraham seems to provide the priesthood keys for..”

Actually, I am not convinced that the corporate church has the Abrahamic evangelical priesthood. I think they lost the fulness of the priesthood (Melchizedek priesthood) by December 5 1834 and they had the keys and offices pertaining to the evangelical priesthood taken away somewhere between September 1841 and the martyrdom in June of 1844 when the saints were rejected as a “church” with their dead. Once they were rejected as a church, they lost the keys of performing the full saving ordinances of the gospel.

In my opinion, they were a tribal kingdom with some form of Aaronic / Levitical priesthood. Joseph had re-established the ancient kingdom of Israel by that time which appears to be primarily under the leadership control of the tribe of Judah.

While I acknowledge that they have the priesthood commission to testify of the name of Christ and to promulgate the knowledge of the gospel by introducing people to the Book of Mormon and the words of Christ through the revelations that Christ brought forth, I am not convinced that they have the authority to administer the full saving ordinances. If they are authorized to baptize, it would be a preparatory baptism of some sort.

“.. is there some evidence in the scriptures that indicate why, or that indeed God would allow corrupt temple worship as a stumbling block in the church concurrent to it also fulfilling it’s authorized purpose during this dispensation? “

That is an interesting question which I would need to ponder (ponderize LOL)  in order to provide a more complete response. A passage that comes to mind from the Book of Mormon is the one that speaks of the Jews looking beyond the mark. (keep in mind that I believe the LDS church represents a large remnant of the ancient kingdom of Judah and the leadership is composed primarily of descendants of Judah, or the Jews)

14  But behold, the Jews were a stiffnecked people; and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and sought for things that they could not understand.  Wherefore, because of their blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs fall; for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it.  And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble.

15  And now I, Jacob, am led on by the Spirit unto prophesying; for I perceive by the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that by the stumbling of the Jews they will reject the stone upon which they might build and have safe foundation. (Jacob)

Have the latter day saints not looked beyond the mark and added more to the simple gospel of Christ ?

A simplified characterization of why the restored church has gone into apostasy, is that instead of accepting the incredibly simple doctrine of Christ and the incredibly brief and succinct explanations of what the fulness of the gospel is, as provided in the Book of Mormon and modern revelation, they looked beyond the mark which resulted in many corrupted doctrines and ordinances and rituals.

In 1841 the Lord had told the saints that anything “more or less” than what had been given in the Book of Mormon and the 1835 D&C “cometh of evil”. (See  D&C 124:119-120 ) Despite this warning, the saints rejected the law of the gospel in section 42 in favor of the spiritual wife form of polygamy and they embraced a masonic temple ordinance which cannot be justified in scripture. They were also talk false things about the nature and character of God that contradicted the scriptures.

The fulness of the gospel is faith and repentance followed by water baptism and being born of fire and the Holy Ghost and then enduring to the end which results in being called and chosen according to the voice of God out of heaven followed by the blessings of the second comforter….. Period. End of story. There is no need for aprons, handshakes, secret keywords, optional ways of killing someone, agreeing to Satans terms of being under his power if the candidate fails to obey every commandment ever mentioned is the four standard works, being received through the veil by the hand of an unknown person who could be Satan, etc., etc.

“Did the ancient dispensation of Abraham include any form of temple worship?”

I don’t know. Possibly. If so, certainly nothing like the masonic endowment of the corporate church.

“Also, are you aware that symbols such as the compass and square, as well as Jewish symbols such as the menorah and oil lamp have been found in the same army corps of engineers diagram of a massive 40 acre plus structure dating to the Hopewell mound culture that was purportedly levelled by the corps?  Is this just an elaborate hoax?  Or indication of secret combinations of that time?  Or indication of temple worship of that time?”

As you know, the seed of Lehi became an apostate people. God withdrew his spirit from them. I hardly think that the degraded forms of worship they might have become involved in after their apostasy, that are not supported in the Book of Mormon, are worthy of modeling. It makes perfect sense that they also began practicing a degraded form of temple idolatry.

“Could temple worship be so sacred it is not plainly manifest in scripture?”


Why even have the scriptures and the plain words of Christ and his servants then? The gospel of Jesus Christ has been taught in plainness. When people fail to receive the simple gospel and associated spiritual rebirth, and begin replacing it with a false masonic ritual, the truth has been rejected.

“The Lord seemed to work in secret behind the veil with Joseph and Oliver and with the delayed publishing of sec 110.  Are some things necessarily kept secret so the cunning one will not have an advantage such as saying silent prayers so they are not heard by him?”

Interesting thought.

However, the Lord put the saints on notice in 1829 that they would be turned over to Satan if they did not repent and reform… although they were blinded at the time that a dispensational bait and switch took place, they had been duly notified. It was their own actions that resulted in a partial blindness coming over then which allowed the secret switching over to the Abrahamic gospel. Ultimately, the Abrahamic gospel was both a blessing and a cursing.

I am only giving my opinions from my research. I hope you would never discard temple worship just because of the opinions of a heratic. As long as you have personal revelation to participate in it, that should suffice I would think.

Reply from GM

So was the Nauvoo temple rejected because of the masonic rituals?  I’ve always had the idea that Satan is the great counterfeiter who corrupts the things of God and that is manifest in masonic ritual – a corruption and counterfeit of the true temple worship from the days of Solomon and possibly even earlier from the days of Adam.  Is this another mormon myth or legend, nowhere supported by scripture?

To be honest my wife is more desirous of us being temple attenders, her patriarchal blessing mentions it, and I can’t deny it doesn’t hurt to be reminded of the importance of consecration and marital fidelity.  That said, I dont want to be doing something satanic or offensive to God.  Is it possible we can participate in something to be knowingly not sanctioned by God, and still be edified and not be adjudged adversely?

My response

The Nauvoo Temple was never finished and hence it never needed to be rejected because it was never accepted.

In my opinion, God probably never even commanded the saints to build the Nauvoo Temple while the saints were in Nauvoo. If you read section 124 very very carefully with this topic in mind, you will find that the “house of the Lord” being spoken of throughout the narrative is always referring to the Nauvoo Boarding House of the Lord. The Nauvoo Temple was already under construction BEFORE section 124 was even given! During the Nauvoo era, all of the saints knew perfectly well that section 124 was not referring to the Nauvoo Temple. This is a perfect example of how the minds of the saints have become so darkened that over time, they forget the truth and are turned over to fables.

In 124 the Lord said that if the boarding house was not completed in the “sufficient time” allotted, the saints would be rejected AS A CHURCH with their dead. Joseph and the Twelve taught that both the temple and the boarding house both needed to be completed within the allotted period of time… neither of them were.

I have covered that topic elsewhere and don’t want to take the time to get into it right here.

The link below covers some of the info. Interestingly, my research shows that the saints used Section 97 as their justification for building the Nauvoo temple. The revelation requires the temple to be completed by a “tithed” (consecrated) people. Yet the saints did not consecrate in Nauvoo and hence were not qualified to build the temple in the land of Zion referred to in Section 97. The Nauvoo House revelation (section 124) came AFTER they had already started building the Nauvoo Temple.

It is my belief that the church was rejected not only because the house of the Lord was not completed, (see D&C 124: 31-32) but because they, as a church, collectively did not repent and because they allowed masonry and polygamy to be practiced among them along with other abominations.

If you and your wife were to make a radical decision to quit going to the temple before you both had an undeniable witness from personal revelation that you should, it could cause more problems than it would solve in that you would always be wondering if you did the right thing and you may feel guilty, etc.

God has a remedy for this awful situation that we are in. His is going to send his servants and the whole world is going to have the opportunity to repent and choose between working for money or working for Zion.

I share my research and opinions to spark thought and discussion and study and to drive people into deeper searching of the scriptures as the prepare for the dispensation of the fulness of times by preparing themselves to receive the fulness when it returns.

It would certainly be foolish to do ANYTHING simply because of my interpretations and opinions.



Email from MH



I think I may have missed your Pope video. Can you send it?

Also, I don’t believe the current LDS Church has ANY “authority” – especially BECAUSE they preach that the culmination of the Gospel is the Masonic Rituals. Also, they deliberately have shafted the JST of the Bible and they publish a much altered version of the Book of Mormon, changing many important aspects from the original 1830 version which WAS the most correct book on earth.

Like you, many Saints can’t stomach even belonging to the Babylonian Institution of Idolatry any longer.

Listening to Conference and hearing the pleading of Elder Ballard for us to stay in the old ship Zion is hard to hear.  He is also spouting off a lot about how fallible the leaders are and to not judge them and that they are still the Lord’s servants that we must follow. Gag.

Anyway, I look forward to the next installment of the Secret History Video series…

God bless,


My response

I totally understand how you feel.

You are not without your reasons for feeling the way you do.

My contention, however, is that during the little season, the Lord wants the knowledge of the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith’s attempt to gather and redeem Zion known to those with ears to hear.  Hence his commission to the apostles when Joseph announced that something new must be done for the salvation of the church was valid then and must remain in force until the next dispensation begins.

Scripture informs us that when the new dispensation begins, the Lord will destroy the miserable wicked men who have the legal lease of the vineyard:

“And Jesus said unto them, When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will destroy those miserable, wicked men, and will let [lease] out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.”

This is why the first people to be visited by the true servants of the Lord when the times of the gentiles comes in again in the 3rd are those who ruled over the vineyard during the gospel of Abraham. These ruler are referred to in modern revelation as those that “sit in darkness”

And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel; But they receive it not; for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men. And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

After the fulness is rejected by those that sit in darkness, the servants will take the fulness to those gentiles that repent.

I believe God allows the corporate church to have some degree of priesthood because He also wanted his literal words that came out of Joseph Smith’s mouth to be available for those with ears to hear. It is up to each individual after hearing about these things to do their own searching and due diligence to find out about more accurate versions of the scriptures that Joseph brought forth. Ultimately, when the servants return, the intercessory atonement offering is going to be revealed in detail and will likely only be believed by those that have treasured up the word of God and taken the Holy Ghost as their guide.

“Who hath believed our report?”

The Old Testament documents the arrival of a prophet that would be different than any other prophet in that the literal words of Christ would come out of his mouth.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

I cannot deny that those passages are referring to Joseph Smith and that modern revelation has created two canons of scripture distinctly different than the OT, NT and BofM.

Joseph Smith is the only prophet that literally spoke entire revelations, one right after another, consisting of the exact words of Jesus Christ, in fulfillment of the above prophecy. I don’t think those words of Christ coming forth through the mouth of Joseph Smith are insignificant and non-enduring in their import. For that reason God commissioned the apostate quorum of apostles to send forth the words of Christ despite the fact that the fulness had been temporarily removed from the earth for a little season.

This information had to be available to those who are seeking the truth. Who other than the corporate LDS church has brought them to the world? No other organization even comes close to the corporate church in bringing this information to the world.

I for one am the humble and grateful recipient of this knowledge of the gospel and the mission of Joseph Smith and the plan of redemption. Many others feel the same way. I suspect you do to. I cannot even begin to imagine where I might be in my spiritual journey for understanding about the mission of Christ and the fulness of the gospel without this information. Yet this would not have been possible if the apostate church had not fulfilled this most important commission.

Additionally, Christ prophesied about the significance of the knowledge of the gospel going forth to the House of Israel shortly after the gentile church would reject the fulness. This taking of the knowledge of the fulness was to continue up until the time that the gentiles repent. If that prophecy has come true in the manner I am suggesting, it gives huge relevance to the role of the corporate church.

For those reasons, I stand by my contention that the commission as given in section 118 continues to be valid to this very day.

The corporate LDS church, despite all of their problems, shortcomings, false doctrine and apostasy, is providing a starting point for people to search out the deeper things.

If you argue that the legal stewards of the preparatory gospel in the Lords vineyard are going to catch hell for the way they are administering their commission, you will get no argument from me, however, the scriptures seem clear to me that they hold that commission and are in fact playing an important role in promulgating the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as contained in the Book of Mormon and Modern revelation.

Here is one more thing to consider.

I have often said or at least implied that the Book of Mormon is very critical of the restored Gentile Church, ie, Mormon 8, 2 Nephi 28, etc. and that it says very little positive about the restored gentile church, however, that is probably not a totally fair and accurate declaration on my part. I had an ah-ha the other day when I was reading the following condemnation by God at the end of the 3 1/2 year period when the fulness was taken away.

Saviors of Men

“Verily,  condemnation resteth upon you, who are appointed to lead my Chu[r]ch,  and to be saviors of men: and also upon the church: And there must needs be a  repentance and a refor[m]ation among you, in all things..”

After reading that passage for the bazzilionth time it occurred to me that I had heard the phrase “saviors of men” somewhere before, in addition to the obvious re-phrasing of the term “saviors on mount Zion

So I did a keyword search. The key word search provided a second witness from D&C 103 that the early leaders of the church were called to be the “saviors of men”, note a few snippets from section 103. 

VERILY I say unto you, my friends, behold, I will give unto you a revelation and commandment, that you may know how to act in the discharge of your duties concerning the salvation and redemption of your brethren, who have been scattered on the land of Zion;

2  Being driven and smitten by the hands of mine enemies, on whom I will pour out my wrath without measure in mine own time. For I have suffered them thus far, that they might fill up the measure of their iniquities, that their cup might be full;

This revelation is being directed specifically to Lyman Wight and Parley P. Pratt although much of it obviously applies to all of the first elders of the restored church. Notice how the Lord informs us that the Lords people will be “chastised” for a “little season” because they did not “hearken altogether unto the precepts and commandments which I gave unto them”

“And that those who call themselves after my name might be chastened for a little season with a sore and grievous chastisement, because they did not hearken altogether unto the precepts and commandments which I gave unto them.”

For they were set to be a light unto the world, and to be the saviors of men;

But verily I say unto you, I have decreed that your brethren which have been scattered shall return to the lands of their inheritances, and shall build up the waste places of Zion.

For after much tribulation, as I have said unto you in a former commandment, cometh the blessing.

Behold, this is the blessing which I have promised after your tribulations, and the tribulations of your brethren—your redemption, and the redemption of your brethren, even their restoration to the land of Zion, to be established, no more to be thrown down.

After giving an unconditional promise that the saints that got pushed out of the land of Zion will ultimately return after a period of tribulations, the Lord notes that during the interim, those that pollute their inheritances shall be “thrown down”.

Then the Lord explains how this miraculous event of restoring the Jackson County Saints to their inheritances will take place IN POWER:

Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;

Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.

For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.

And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.

Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

Verily, verily I say unto you, that my servant Joseph Smith, Jun. is the man to whom I likened the servant to whom the Lord of the vineyard spake in the parable which I have given unto you.

The Lord then explains how Joseph will eventually gather the strength of the Lord’s house from the dead to redeem Zion.

Now then, doing keyword searches on the terms “savors of men” and “saviors on mount Zion” revealed to me that those that “publish peace” are those that are the saviors on mount zion that are the watchmen that lift up their voice and sing when the Lord redeems Zion after they awake and put on their strength. (see Isaiah 52 and D&C 113. This helped me realize that I had been misreading the following passage in the Book of Mormon.

“And blessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my Zion at that day, for they shall have the gift and the power of the Holy Ghost; and if they endure unto the end they shall be lifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting kingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall publish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be.” 1 Nephi 13:37

I had always assumed that the above passage was emphasizing the failure of Joseph Smith and the first laborers in the last kingdom to establish Zion, while providing hope for them if they endure to the end. I did not catch that the end of the passage (that which is marked in red) was still on topic and was specifically identifying Joseph Smith and his brethren as being those that, despite failing in their first attempt at Zion, would return and publish peace upon the mountains when the Lord redeems Zion.

The point I want to make is that the restored gentile church made an effort in attempting to establish Zion and then they stumbled. Following that, the Lord had the knowledge of the fulness of the gospel taken to the House of Israel for a little season. During that little season the leaders of the House of Israel that rule of the vineyard have a priesthood commission to do what they have been commissioned to do. Finally, the repentant Gentiles from the 2nd watch and others of the gentiles living today, that repent, will publish peace (including additional scriptures) when the Lord finally establishes Zion.

So, even though you feel that corruption prevents the current church authorities from having ANY authority because they teach false doctrine and promote masonic rituals as the saving ordinances of the gospel, I would submit that God in his infinite mercy and foreknowledge has in fact allowed the corrupt kingdom to play an important role and to have some degree of priesthood authority to that the words of Christ and the knowledge of the fulness of the gospel could go forth to the world and help in preparing the pure in heart for the return of the Lord and the establishment of Zion.

The video being referenced regarding the Pope is the latest one in the post before this newest on on the fourth installment of the secret history of Mormonism. In that video I take a few minutes to point some things out about the Popes most recent visit to the promised land.







Notable Emails #20 “I found your blog just about two months ago. What a revelation! I am alone in this search. Friends and family insist the leaders of the church will not lead us a stray. “
Notable Emails #19- “Sometime ago I had an extraordinary experience where I was forgiven of some of my sins”
 Notable Emails #18- “I wake up every morning with this intense feeling that we are getting closer”
 Notable Emails #17 “Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.”
 Notable Emails #16 “the Lord wouldn’t give a young church such responsibility so early”
Notable Emails #15: “It would be so hard to do if we didn’t have the word crunching software available to us to use. Now I can see why so many are deceived. “
 Notable Emails #14 (b) “who was the legal heir and successor of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.?”
 Notable Emails #14 (a) “Baptism for the dead is illogical and pretty much impossible to ever accomplish”
 Notable Emails Part 13 “Gileadi compares the Servant to Hezekiah, in that he answered for the temporal sins of the people and acted as a proxy savior”
 Notable Emails Part 12 “the scriptures will become corrupted and deceive the elect and give Satan power”
 Notable Emails Part 9 “My number one desire right now is to protect my wife and honor her tender feelings about the gospel as she understands it.”
 Notable Emails Part 8 “Who are the Jews and Gentiles?
Notable Emails Part 7 “My eyes have been opened”
Notable Emails Part 6: “Can anyone tell me anything about this blog?… This guy seems to have some new ideas I’ve never heard before using the scriptures to back his views.
Notable Emails Part 5: “the truths that both you and I hold so dear …are things that cannot be taught they can only be revealed.”
Notable Emails- Part 4 “I have now caught the spirit of watching along with you and others.”
Notable Emails- Part 3 “Have you ever read ‘Letter to a CES Director?’” Yes… and it has strengthened my testimony!
Notable Emails- Part 2: “Readers deserve to know if you truly are a heretic or just a faithful divergent thinker”
Notable Emails Part 1- Mormon Missionary: “I too am watching”

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Notable Emails #20 “I found your blog just about two months ago. What a revelation! I am alone in this search. Friends and family insist the leaders of the church will not lead us a stray. “

October 3, 2015


Email from BA

“Hi Watcher,

I found your blog just about two months ago.  What a revelation! Thank you for sharing your efforts online.  I don’t know if my veil of darkness would ever have been illuminated. 

I am an active member of the church, an honest seeker of truth.  I am alone in this search.  Friends and family insist the leaders of the church will not lead us a stray.  I know this is not founded in scripture, but it seemingly doesn’t make it any easier to wake them up.

Besides family, the hardest part is reconciling the church with my new understanding. it’s not black and white like I taught on my mission.  I believe the church maintains authority, but not a much as is implied.  I guess it is similar to the Israelites after Moses left, or even like the Jews at the time of Christ. Though precepts of men have been mingled with scripture, somehow there is still some authority and some truth.  A the lady’s comment on your book is how I feel: to have permission to use discernment and to work out my own salvation.

I would love to get a copy of the chapters on the intercessory atonement.

Thank you again,”

My Response:

Great to hear from you!

Be patient and not pushy with you friends and loved ones. Everyone is on their own learning curve. Be prudent and don’t become angry…

I agree with you. The church still has a calling and the authority to do that calling. They promote the Book of Mormon which contains the fulness of the gospel which is critical in teaching people about the truth and bringing people to Christ.

Here you go my friend.


Attention all Watchers in Russia

Email from JD

“HI, Watcher, I’ve been following your blog a very long time.
Recently I remembered about a brother from Russia who wrote to you
asking questions.
Since I’m in Russia now, I was wondering if that brother would be OK
with you sharing his email.
Maybe, we happen to be in the same locality and can meet up or something.
It’s a bit lonely here without a kindred spirit who is on the same page
with me.


[If you are one who is watching and waiting, who lives in Russia, and would like to hoof up with a fellow believer, please contact me and I will get you in touch with the person above]

Email From GM

“I think I see where you believe the church is deficient and not in possession of all that it claims, but do you acknowledge it still has some authority and legitimacy?”

My Response:


Section 118 pretty much sums up their authority.

They are to

1- promulgate the gospel (according to the prophecy in 3 Nephi 16 take the “knowledge of the gospel” to the House of Israel)

2– Testify of the name of Christ

I think they do both of those commissions quite will, although they package some truth claims in with those to commissions that are not accurate

His reply

“I notice you left out redeem the dead, which I believe is one of the three church claimed missions that it has,  are you saying there is no scriptural backing for this claim?

So if I understand correctly, this authority comes from the lesser preparatory Gospel of Abraham?  

 And it does not include priesthood authority to officiate in any kind of temple work?  

 And if this is so, how would you explain Woodruff’s encounter with the Founding Fathers and other dignitaries in the St. George temple?”

My response

I do  not think the “temple work” that we have morphed into is part of the fulness of the gospel. Indeed, the Book of Mormon contained the fulness of the gospel, where is temple work mentioned in the Book of Mormon?

Further, when it was actually on the earth during the 3 1/2 years, where was the “temple work”?

The masonic temple endowment that we have been given is no where to be found in the four standard works.. and we have been told in several place what the simple fulness of the gospel is and that “more or less” than what we have been given “cometh of evil”

I don’t believe the St George Temple story.

Rock brought up some good points in his article on it as well, but even beyond the points he brought up, there is no substantiation behind the whole temple thing.


His reply

“Thanks for that link – your helping me see many mormon myths and legends with new eyes”

 Email from GC (This guy gets of his mission in December!)

 “Heya Watcher,

Loving the updates on the book and stuff. I’d love to be part of the
peer review if I could! I’ll definitely purchase a copy when I get off
the mission (Dec 30). But you offered to send out chapters 3, 4, 5,
through email. I’d love to peruse those chapters if you send them my

A mini book on Joseph’s offering might be a really good idea. I’ve
introduced many missionaries to the concept that Joseph Smith offered
a temporal atonement offering, and they all surprisingly find it
intriguing, even plausible.

Male and female composite beings in the afterlife, on the other hand,
is way off the table apparently. Only one Elder could thus far be open
to the possibility. It’s funny, because when I first read your
analysis of Section 49 I was immediately open to the idea, yet
everyone else is seemingly baffled by the prospect.

I would have thought that the concept of Joseph performing an
atonement would be instantly rejected, but for some reason it’s
catching on. I guess it’s time.

Much love,”

email from RN


 I just finished watching this video.

 Your insight into the Pope’s visit is astounding.

 I’m amazed at how easy you make it appear to be able to pull from current events and tie them to scripture.


 I can’t wait to read your post on it later or watch another video on it.

 However, I wanted to write you about something else that I discovered in the video. Something that I don’t think you caught. Something that I think is quite important and profound.

 I like what you shared from your Scottish reader about DC 59:8-9 and DC 110:5. Very profound indeed.

 D&C 59

Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit.

 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself unspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of prayer and offer up thy sacraments upon my holy day;

D&C 110

 Behold, your sins are forgiven you; you are clean before me; therefore, lift up your heads and rejoice.

However, just before that you shared how there is a changing of days. From the Day of Gentile -Gospel of Christ to the Day of the House of Israel-Gospel of Abraham.

I never thought of it in that way before.

So when I was reading DC 59 I had a nagging feeling to continue on reading with verse 10 and discovered something that I don’t think I would’ve discovered otherwise if it wasn’t for your commentary.

Check it out:

 10 For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High;

I don’t know if you caught that or not.


If this was to be a future prophecy, which I believe it to be after what you said about there not being a house of the Lord yet. Check this out.

10 For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors

Any normal reading of the verse in context would make you think that the Lord is referring to the Sabbath as a day for us to rest from our labors.

But in the light of the transition from the Day of the Gentile to the Day of the House of Israel, the Lord is telling Joseph that this new day shall be a day of rest from his labors.

What labors?

From trying to gather and redeem Zion. That he shall rest from that work for a little season.

I found this to be profound and wanted to share it with you and thank you for leading me down this path and all that you’re doing for the Saints with Faith.”

My Response


Thank you for sharing

[This  is a great example of why I refer the book as being crowd-sourced. This person and the guy from Scotland and many others have shared so many ah-has with me over the years which have been so important in the creation of the book! Ultimately, praise be to God for his marvelous mercy and condescensions in beginning to take the veil of darkness off of our minds and teaching us his truths]

Notable Emails #19- “Sometime ago I had an extraordinary experience where I was forgiven of some of my sins”
 Notable Emails #18- “I wake up every morning with this intense feeling that we are getting closer”
 Notable Emails #17 “Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.”
 Notable Emails #16 “the Lord wouldn’t give a young church such responsibility so early”
Notable Emails #15: “It would be so hard to do if we didn’t have the word crunching software available to us to use. Now I can see why so many are deceived. “
 Notable Emails #14 (b) “who was the legal heir and successor of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.?”
 Notable Emails #14 (a) “Baptism for the dead is illogical and pretty much impossible to ever accomplish”
 Notable Emails Part 13 “Gileadi compares the Servant to Hezekiah, in that he answered for the temporal sins of the people and acted as a proxy savior”
 Notable Emails Part 12 “the scriptures will become corrupted and deceive the elect and give Satan power”
 Notable Emails Part 9 “My number one desire right now is to protect my wife and honor her tender feelings about the gospel as she understands it.”
 Notable Emails Part 8 “Who are the Jews and Gentiles?
Notable Emails Part 7 “My eyes have been opened”
Notable Emails Part 6: “Can anyone tell me anything about this blog?… This guy seems to have some new ideas I’ve never heard before using the scriptures to back his views.
Notable Emails Part 5: “the truths that both you and I hold so dear …are things that cannot be taught they can only be revealed.”
Notable Emails- Part 4 “I have now caught the spirit of watching along with you and others.”
Notable Emails- Part 3 “Have you ever read ‘Letter to a CES Director?’” Yes… and it has strengthened my testimony!
Notable Emails- Part 2: “Readers deserve to know if you truly are a heretic or just a faithful divergent thinker”
Notable Emails Part 1- Mormon Missionary: “I too am watching”

“I feel like an understanding of the intercessory atonement of Joseph is an immunization against loss of faith”

September 30, 2015

I felt deeply gratified when I recently read a final review of the book from a member of the peer review.

Among other things, she had this to say-

“I really appreciate what you have accomplished here. It has made me want to jump into the Old Testament prophecies (that were skipped over in seminary) and see how they testify of our day, re-examine the D&C for keys to the past and future of the restoration, and search all the standard works to see what other mysteries can be unlocked. 

I feel like an understanding of the intercessory atonement of Joseph is an immunization against loss of faith, and a strong witness that God is all-knowing and all-powerful. 

Understanding that truth and error are mixed (both in modern scripture and from the voice of servants), I have permission to use the discernment God has given me to question and challenge ideas that seem to have a different spirit about them and work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. 

These are exciting times to be alive.”

I was particularly touched by the eloquent and powerfully succinct declaration that the intercessory atonement of Joseph is an immunization against loss of faith. 

That is what I thought when I first had my ah-ha reading the Davidic prophecy in 2 Samuel 7 and other related prophecies that detailed how Joseph Smith would first do much good and then would commit iniquity and be chastened by the rod of man. That prophecy truly provided me with a different interpretation on Moroni’s acknowledgement that Joseph Smith’s name would be “both good and evil spoken of.”

Imagine this bizarre prophetic narrative being foretold thousands of years ago.

When I first came upon those prophecies I realized that I had hit pay-dirt with regard to understanding why the Joseph Smith of the Nauvoo era was such a contradiction to the Joseph Smith of the early Kirtland era.

(Frankly, I sometimes wonder if I simply should provide a small book containing the content in chapters 3, 4, and 5 relative to the intercessory atonement offering instead of all of the other information, which may result in information overload.)

Experiencing a Loss of Faith based on Joseph’s Actions

Currently there are so many people experiencing a loss of faith because the Internet (including the official LDS Church website which hosts the new historical essays) provides easy access to disturbing historical information about LDS church history. They often get hit with a barrage of angry accusations by disaffected Mormons and ex-Mormons, against the character of Joseph Smith relative to all of the evil things he is accused of doing.

Can a Loss of Faith be Diverted?

Yes there are the philosophical intellectuals that offer lots of mental gymnastics and counsel people to doubt their doubts and there are the official apologist word-meisters that can twist the meaning of things and blow a lot of blue smoke up a person’s skirt using a little sophistry mingled with scripture, but when it comes right down to it, most sincere, intelligent people who are experiencing a crisis of faith want hard facts and real answers to difficult historical and doctrinal questions. My contention is that most if not all of the answers can be found in God’s holy word.

The caveat is that a person needs to be willing to read, study, search and believe the holy word of God to find the answers that God has provided. The answers are there, but it takes faith to understand and believe what they tell us and to accept the fact that God’s ways are not our ways and God’s thoughts are not our thoughts. Finding the answers in scripture is just the first step. Perhaps even more difficult is believing them because God’s ways are not our ways.

Peer Review

I want to thank everyone who has provided feedback on the peer review. I feel like I have sufficient feedback to complete the final edition of the book, although I am happy to continue accept feedback. I probably have enough feedback to do at least three or four more segments of the Piece by Piece Peer Review youtube series but I am not sure when I will be able to resume it.

The Secret History of Mormonism

I feel that time is of the essence to continue and complete the Secret History youtube series. BTW I am approaching 1,000 views on my youtube channel which, on the one hand, is nothing to write home about, but on the other hand, it is better than a poke in the eye with a really sharp stick.

Here is part four of the series which covers the third period of Joseph Smith’s public ministry.



If you are new to this blog, you should listen to the first three segments of this series first. Frankly, you need to have a good understanding of the intercessory atonement doctrine before the series will make very much sense to you. I will be happy to send you a pdf of the three chapters in the book that discuss this amazing topic. Simply send an email to onewhoiswatching [at] gmail dot com and put “intercessory atonement” in the subject line. :)

Here are parts 1, 2, and 3

Part One

Part Two

Part Three


Notable Emails #19- “Sometime ago I had an extraordinary experience where I was forgiven of some of my sins”

September 15, 2015

Many years ago Mrs Watcher went on a cruise with her sisters and found out that she gets sea sick. Because of that, she did not want to go with me on a cruise. For many years I have wanted to experience what it would be like but did not want to go alone and leave Mrs. Watcher.

A few months ago a close friend whose wife is deceased offered me the opportunity to go with him and members of his sales team who had qualified to go on a cruse.

With Mrs Watcher’s blessing, I decided to go. I just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to cross another thing off of my “bucket list”.

I am now three days into a seven day cruse and loving every minute of it.

Most of the time I don’t get Internet access as we sail past Mexico, however, I splurged and spent $40 for 24 hours of access and have enjoyed getting caught up on a few things. I have one hour left and thought I would do a quick post.

I continue to get great comments on the book  which I hope to post when I return. THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING!

Today I read the following post and really enjoyed it

I also got an email from a fellow watcher in Scotland which reminded me that he had sent a previous email many months ago. Since I have not done a notable email post for a while, I thought I would share what he has to say. His first email to me is followed by his most recent communication-

Hi Watcher

May I introduce myself. My name is XXXXXXXX, I’m from Scotland where I was brought up with the church. Until recently I was fully committed to the corporate church but events changed all that. The promises the brethren extend for following their teachings never really materialized in my life, especially where tithing is concerned.

Sometime ago I had an extraordinary experience where I was forgiven of some of my sins. My behaviour changed immediately much like what happened with king Benjamin’s people. The curious thing is that there was no bishop and no priesthood holder involved in this process. Just me and the lord.

Overtime this experience plus the lack of good fruits from the church got me questioning things. Eventually I started asking google a few questions and quickly found Rock’s blog pure mormonism. Some time after that I stumbled upon your own blog and I have to say thank you so much for all the wonderful doctrines you have discovered.  I have found it very easy to readjust my views of Joseph Smith and church history. I haven’t endured the pain many seem to. You’ve made it all very easy.

I was always a big reader of the book of mormon but  now I’m getting into everything. The doctrine and covenants are amazing and Isaiah and Hosea are just sensational. Once I realised that the servant in Isaiah’s book is none other than Joseph smith I was delighted. Nephi is practically screaming that fact at us but I had never seen it. From there everything starts to make sense.

Thank you so much for discovering the reality that the kirtland temple is the very temple of Daniel chapter 9 and thanks also for leviticus 16. Priceless stuff.

Here in Scotland im on my own. Everyone else is basically asleep. The brethren are king over here. My wife has started reading your blog and she gets it, she really does so im greatly encouraged there. Im just keen for brother joseph to return so I can get out of here. I don’t mean that to sound selfish it’s just that I’ve had my fill of babylon.

Events are shaping up sharply at the moment what with the shemitah, the jubilee year and jade helm. Maybe Joseph will be here any day now. I wonder if jade helm is not only about martial law but about the powers that be getting ready to fight yet another army, the one led by general Joseph smith. I may be getting too far ahead with that thought.

Anyway thanks so much watcher for helping me in my gospel study and understanding of what’s really going on in the world.

[His most recent email]

Hi watcher

I’ve  no doubt you’ve  written about how section 59 points to section 110 but i must have missed  it so i thought I’d  share my findings on it. The general instruction is for us all to keep the sabbath day holy and offer a broken heart and a contrite spirit and to go up to the house of prayer etc, but i noticed it is specific instruction for joseph concerning what he was to do at the temple on 3rd of april 1836.

Everything is there. We know the temple was a house of prayer, joseph was instructed  to pray. He was to take the sacrament, the heading of section 110 verifies that he did. He was to confess his sins, the saviour forgave him. He was to fast or rejoice. The saviour appeared on the first sunday of the month so i assume joseph was fasting and while there the saviour told him to rejoice.

The mention of oblations takes us to Daniel chapter nine which  is of course all about the saviours appearance at the Kirtland temple. From verse 20 Daniel tells us that he confessed his sins and his people’s sins and then Gabriel flew to him and touched him. There is a very similar passage in Isaiah 6. In the temple Isaiah admits he is a man of unclean lips amongst a people of unclean lips. Then  the seraphim flies to him and touches him. Seeing the future mission of joseph Smith  Isaiah takes the mission of making the people’s  ears heavy and their eyes blind so that they couldn’t  be healed. Isn’t this precisely  what Joseph  did after offering himself  at the Kirtland temple?  I sure think so. Isaiah’s record is accurate right down to the desolation that Daniel speaks of.

I find it all to be astonishing. The scriptures are clear about the sacrifice that Joseph would make. Better still, in describing himself as unclean Isaiah  points to the atonement statute in leviticus. Notice that there is one word of a difference between  Joseph’s  goat and Sidney’s goat. Joseph’s  is unclean!

These are just a few things I’ve  noted while  reading the scriptures. Thanks for listening, it’s  good to share these things with someone who understands.

Piece by Piece… A Peer Review of Solving the Prophet Puzzle- Part 2

September 6, 2015

Part Two

General Tone, Theme, Layout, Style, Size of Manuscript, Feelings, Questions

Comments by KS

Here are some thoughts on your book:

I finished reading your book and have been digesting it a few days. I liked it. I learned. It makes me think. It deepened my testimony of the restoration and Joseph Smith.

It made me feel betrayed by the current L.D.S. church.I have to think that this is the way it happened, (the church being asleep), so God has known this and worked it into His plan.  It helped me to realize I need to be my own detective and research things myself.

It makes me more aware of the importance of having the spirit to be my guide. I loved that you used a lot of scripture references and also included them in your book, which also made the book longer. Some of the people I know, would probably do well with a shorter version. There is good information though.

I’m not sure about the information on composite beings. I think some people will read that and tune out and discredit the other information because that seems like it’s not something that people are thinking about right now. I’m not sure myself if that needs to be covered at this time, but maybe it does.

I appreciate all your work and your research and detective work that you have done. Obviously you have been led and guided.

The information about polygamy has been personally very comforting to realize. I happened to read a book, I think it was The Seer by Pratt, and it about ruined my marriage because of the darkness that entered into me from reading it. The way he talked about women, wives and polygamy made me sick at heart and in spirit. It was wounding. Thank you for making sense of this. I see the church IS in a pickle because of it. I wonder what the church will do.

I also had been praying for my eyes to be opened. I also have felt pain about what I’ve learned. I’ve had to examine myself and realized that I suffered from “prophet worship” and followed along with all their words without examining things and checking them with scripture.

The information in your book has helped me as I go back and have started reading the scriptures over and can see them in a clearer way than in the past. Many things now pop out and make sense, where in the past I just read and didn’t really understand the truths that were there.

Your book has made me want to really examine my personal relationship with Heavenly Father and His Son. I pray for us all as we come nearer and nearer to whatever is ahead in these days.

I noticed some mistakes, but didn’t have a problem with figuring them out. They make me pause for a minute and think. I like things that aren’t perfect as they remind me this life isn’t perfect and none of us are perfect in this time.

I reread Lectures on Faith. It’s in a book called Discourses on the Holy Ghost. In the L.O.F. in the book I have, it references, in different parts, quotes from the King Follet Discourse,, which changes the meaning of L.O. F. So very interesting! I need to find a version that is just L.O.F. and nothing more.

The things you’ve written about make sense to me and and I think you did a good job with making them all and line up with the scriptures.

I enjoyed reading your book and thank you again for following the spirit in your life and bearing the persecution that has come up in your life because of it. I ordered the book tonight and will look forward to the hard copy in hand.

I’m still figuring out what this means for me and my life. I’m praying and hoping the events that will come will help me to know what to do with this knowledge. I am wondering if I could do more good for now encouraging others to read the scriptures and research things more carefully.

My husband has been good to listen and I think he sees that we shouldn’t just blindly follow the brethren, he sees there are problems in the church, and he’s never believed you had to be married to more than one wife to go to the celestial kingdom. It was me that thought I had to get used to the idea. I haven’t brought up about the priesthood though. I think this would be a tough pill to swallow. I see with him and others, a kind of pride in the priesthood, if that makes sense.

 Comments by RR

That concludes my proofreading for today.  The question I have is regarding the consecration of goods when the servant comes.  There have been a lot of visions and speculations recently about gathering and tent cities, etc.  Some are saying that the “price” of that gathering is to have a years supply of food and then when the invitation comes to gather, those people will turn their supplies to the church and go to places of safety to wait out the tribulations.  At the same time, I have heard versions where the church collects the available food and turns it over to the “peace keepers” and then the members are left to gain their “mark” to feed their families with their own food. My question is whether you speculate the “consecration” would happen inside or outside a church context, where we are already living in darkness and condemnation.  The church in Christ’s day rejected true messengers.  Will members who put their trust in church leaders suffer the same fate as anciently, or is there still a role for the organization to play in extending the invitation to gather and consecrate?  My thoughts are that the call only through church channels to members would not be sufficient to gather the watchers of other faiths into places of safety, unless they were called through different means.

What do you think?

Whew!  this is a long one.  I appreciate you are willing to accept feedback.  I hope you don’t drown under my comments.  Your narrative is compelling, and I believe the exact bridge necessary to move Saints from walking in darkness to light without being blinded and falling away from the Restoration completely.

As a continuation of our last exchange, I find the verses in the footnotes from pages 81 and 82 more compelling evidence about what sins Joseph may be guilty of than the historical affidavits present.  I think that is part of the test we are all involved in.  What do we choose to believe, and how does that belief affect out hearts?   I don’t believe Joseph is a liar, and I choose not to judge his character. I also believe that he loved Emma, and whatever he was doing involved giving others enough rope to hang themselves. That belief has allowed me to continue with peace in my life and the hope that God will look mercifully on my sins as well.  I have seen the bitterness at the Weeping For Zion site.  It used to be one of my favorite places to read because it challenged me to dig into the scriptures and find hidden treasures of light.  Now I can hardly go there because it is like drinking from a bitter fountain.  I do appreciate the responses you made to the David Whitmer series that was done there.  I wish more of the commenters had read what you wrote, but it might not matter, if their hearts were not open to the message of reconciliation to Joseph.

Just a question… if Joseph appointed Hyrum to be prophet because his mind was darkened through sin, what advantage would that be if Hyrum were also guilty of the same transgressions?  Or did Hyrum become guilty once made prophet so he could join Joseph in being a sin offering (as a brother united in everything), or because the power of iniquity in the hearts of the people fell on him with the office of prophet? Or has Hyrum been falsely accused as well?

One other point I see you making in the text on page 91 about not receiving false prophets (section 43) is the warning that those who come before us are to teach the revelations and commandments that have been received through Joseph.  That warning would protect us from current leader worship that we are currently under.  I think the Muslims have done a much better job keeping these roles straight.  (Muhammed was the last prophet, and the Koran is God’s word to be held sacred and unchanging.)

Comments by NPT

in my opinion, the section on Paid Shills detracts from your message. I don’t think you should remove it, but I think it belongs in a footnote, perhaps on page 43 at the end of the first paragraph. It would fit nicely there as additional info in support of the allegation that the church is trying to control the message using SEO and the such.

i also think the first sentence of the first paragraph and the entire second paragraph in the There are Biblical… section should be moved to the Paid Shills footnote (that i described above) b/c they fit nicely with that argument. again, i think the accusative tone detracts slightly from your thesis at this point in the narrative.

Comments by KS

So, I have a question. I tune into the Woodzone sometimes to check things out. Sometimes he has info about happenings in the world or our country that are interesting. Lately, he had a post about polygamy and how we might just be asked to live it again, soon.

I know you said that it’s best to let people wake up on their own. It’s hard though, when I read different blogs and they talk about polygamy, for or agaisnt, but they don’t have the whole truth of it. It makes me want to leave a comment, but then I think of what you said and I don’t know. To me, people are really struggling, and it would help them to know the whole picture, to have all the pieces of the puzzle as you say.

Also, about your book. I really liked what you wrote about Kirtland being Jerusalem. I thought that was an amazing insight, and I think that it would make a lot of sense that that would happen here, not Jerusalem in Israel.

Also, I don’t think you can say enough to people, that it’s all ok and that the church is doing their mission. You do say so, and I appreciate that, otherwise, it all seems like such a waste of time. However, the temple is a puzzle to me. Do you think they will ever be used or needed, the ones we have? Do you think they perform any thing along the mission of the church, or are they a busy work assignment to keep us busy and asleep. Now that I look at it, I think back about how it felt when I first went through and the concerns I’ve had about different things, but didn’t know why.

What about the sealing of husband and wife. Do you think that’s  just going to happen with the holy spirt and no need to be “sealed”? That the temple just performs then a marriage like any other marriage on this earth?

One of your posts, someone had commented and asked about the temple and that he knew the difference between the spirit and not the spirit. You were commenting back that it really couldn’t be the spirit, ( I don’t remember your exact words, but that was the feeling I get.) I do know that people have received inspiration at the temple though. Do you think it’s the sitting and being quiet, the meditation and prayer and not the place or the setting?

We talked recently to a couple who were serving at the Payson Temple. The sister’s comment to me was it was very opulent. I think now, that all that money should be going to alleviate poverty. I remember going through the Rexburg temple and a sister proundly telling me that the vases were made of gold. I guess they get the idea that it should be made of the very best and expensive and perfect things from the Temple of Soloman? Have you written more about the temple’s now days anywhere?

I know you’re busy with your book, but I just wanted to ask and wondered also if you know of any forum out there where people who are waking up to things, and I mean with the knowledge you are sharing, to talk, ask questions, offer support or encouragement?

Doctrinal Issues

Comments by TD

Hey Watcher:


I woke up this morning thinking that I would tell you that I disagreed with your characterization of John the Baptist as the Transmigration of the OT prophet Elijah. Instead I dug into the scriptural evidences you present and I was blown away.  When I allow myself to truly believe the word of God I am indeed visited by the “manifestations of his spirit” to confirm what is plainly shown by multiple witnesses.

Darkness prevails because people believe the interpretations of men, instead of clinging to the iron rod.

Thank you my brother.  Once again my eyes have been opened.

Comment by NPT

I also think you should remove completely the few paragraphs that speculate on BY’s racism, beginning with “The Blacks and the Priesthood issue…up until the end of the section. I think you are absolutely right that the issue is doctrinal…period. The question at hand is did Joseph err in ordaining Elijah Abel and was BY justified in correcting the error OR was Joseph in the right and did BY introduce false doctrine. Whether BY was racist or not is irrelevant. Racism is objective and quite broad. There are many that would argue JS was racist simply for his proclamations about slaves conditions due to their being sons of Ham, despite his abolitionist stance. The same can be said of the “emancipator” himself Lincoln. My point is, I don’t even care if JS was racist, what matters is the true doctrine that he promulgated. Likewise, I don’t care if BY was racist, I only care to know that his doctrine was false. A prophet can do what is true even if he does not agree (see Jonah, after a little encouragement from the Lord). Therefore, being a racist does not preclude BY from being a true prophet, but making up doctrine raises a red flag.

Comment by SF

The three orders of Priesthood is revealed in section 76

Comments by NPT

page 59, point 3 and page 60, bullet 3 (as an aside, the bullets on page 60 would correspond better to the list on page 59 if they were numbered, not bulleted): now is when i have less edits and more questions. In a previous chapter you point out that the temple in Kirtland had the name of the church as Church of Latter Day Saints (sans Christ); yet here you are saying that JS as the Davidic Servant builds “an house for my name” as read in 2 Sam 7:13. Do you see my dilemma? The only way I see out of it is if you explain a little more that the Kirtland temple was a “House of the Lord” (as proclaimed on the plaque) built by a church that was not Christ’s. Or maybe I’m over-analyzing this. I suppose the part I get hung up on is the wording in 2 Sam 7:13 where the Lord says that it would be “an house for my name”. I guess He doesn’t say “an house in my name”, right? Maybe that’s the answer.  [editorial note: I have accepted this house… use of REQUIRE “for your sakes”]

page 65, paragraph that begins “…Just as 2 Sam prophesies…”: I’m not so sure that the statement “I will require it of him” refers to the Servant. I am not contesting the intercessory atonement, I am only questioning the use of that phrase to support the idea. It seems to me that the Lord is saying that He will require the sin of him who commits it, referring to “whosoever”. The Lord commands the Servant to speak, and expects all to follow when the Servant speaks His words in His name, and the Lord will require the sin of whosoever does not follow. This follows the pattern we see when the Lord tells Moses that “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him (the sinner) will I blot out of my book.” And it appears from your statement that “Although the Lord did not accept the specific terms of that offer…” you also think that what the Lord says to Moses refers to the sinner, not Moses. Unless you can convince me that the “him” in each of these statements refer to the Servant and Moses, respectively, then I’m of the opinion that the phrase “I will require it of him” refers to the sinner, not to the Servant. Good luck with this one. :)

[editorial note by Watcher: Discuss statement “for your sakes” by Moses and also the use of the word REQUIRE by Ezekiel: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.] 

Clarification Issues

Comments by RR

I just wanted to clarify my comment about Joseph discontinuing the Relief Society.  I don’t dispute that it was discontinued for 20-plus years, nor that the discontinuance was probably  because of the polygamy issue.  My point was that is was not JOSEPH who stopped it, or if it was, I have never seen proof of that.  It would be a minor textual change to say that Relief Society was suspended, rather than Joseph suspended the Relief Society. 

Comments by RR

page 83 First sentence might be easier to understand by removing the first comma and replacing it with “as”, or better yet, start the sentence with “The integration of Old Testament theology (not to be confused with the Law of Moses) is perhaps one of the most curious thing…”

Center paragraph, add a comma after theology (in the list of restored Old Testamant themes). It keep theology and ritual as separate items in the list, not a compound item. Immediately following,  you refer to “it”, but that “it” appears to be “Old Testament temple building, worship, theology, and ritual” which was plural in the first sentence.  “They” would work better there and in the next sentence. I would also recommend “And why were …” to connect this question to the one you opened the paragraph with.

I don’t have the original to check with, but the last quote on the page would read easier with Aron spelled with two “a”s.

page 88: Last paragraph under first subheading.  “Modern revelation actually speaks about the great intercessory atonement offering that was to be made by Joseph Smith and it [modern revelation?] sheds light on Malachi chapter 3 [footnote]”. [I don’t know what modern revelation specifically you are referring to here, or if it is just a general statement, and neither the sentence, nor the footnote tells me what you want me to know about Malachi chapter 3.]

“It is apparent that the literal fulfillment of the prophecy [which prophecy? the one from Malachi that isn’t specified, something from modern revelation, or one of the many Old Testament prophecies mentioned in the previous paragraph?] must take place in the end times as well.  It [what does this “it” signify?] provides a summary of what God’s Latter-day servant would do.”

Footnote 245 doesn’t quite match the text.  I had to look up the verses to see what you referred to and didn’t find what I was looking for. Maybe instead of “re-established” in the text, write “broken” and footnote verses 15-16 to illustrate your point.

page 94 footnote 260.  Could you add where this is identified, or refer to a future chapter where you will explain this more?

page 96 can you cite your definition of purge source? Strong’s meaning includes to strain (figuratively), extract, clarify which sounds more like what you would do to gold and silver than to abruptly remove something unwanted

page 97, first paragraph “…departing from the ordinances has been ongoing from the time of their forefathers back in ancient Israel…” I thought you have said these early Kirtland saints were the Gentiles, and the rebellious Jews/Israelites were the converts made in Europe later.

Grammar, Typos, missing words, footnotes

Comments by NPT

little things:

page 43, penultimate paragraph: needs period at end of “…unsuspecting Mormons.

page 45, second full paragraph: “…is published under the topic of “gospel topic” at” perhaps would read better as “…is published under “Gospel Topics” at

page 45, fourth full paragraph: move comma from “…with which I really agree,” to after parenthetical statement “…he was saying),

page 45, fifth full paragraph: move comma from “…are so powerful,” slightly back to after “…Smith received,”

page 45, seventh full paragraph, last sentence: “Including” should be lower case

page 46, first full paragraph: the word “integrated” confused me for a second since we were talking about race, and BY certainly didn’t integrate anything when it came to blacks; i realize it is not incorrect, but perhaps you could change it to “implemented” or something of the sort.

page 46, second full paragraph: remove comma from “…point of view,”

page 46, second full paragraph: move comma from “…under God’s direction,” slightly back to “…unaffected by it,”

page 46, fourth full paragraph: remove comma from “…watch and tutelage,”

page 46, fifth full paragraph: remove quotation marks and dots right after Morning Star, since you have quotation marks already with “no special rule…”

page 46, sixth full paragraph: need period at end of paragraph after “blush”

page 46, seventh full paragraph: last sentence should be changed to “He knew full well that the Lord had not prohibited Blacks from holding the priesthood during the ministry of Joseph Smith.” the way it is written now (restricted the priesthood to the blacks) suggests that it was restricted from all else and allowed only to the blacks. i suppose you could also say “restricted the priesthood from the blacks.”

page 46, footnote 122: check spelling of “blessing because of the covenants of thy father’s” since blessing should be blessings and father’s should be fathers, unless that is verbatim from the record that is footnoted.

page 48, second full paragraph: need comma after “…section 42 was received,”

page 48, penultimate paragraph: need comma after “…in modern revelation,”

page 48, footnote 134: seems to be a word missing with “Your concerns about Jacob 2:27, D&C 42:22, 49:16, and the 1835 section 101 and [missing word?] have been leveled…”

page 49, section “Other Controversial Issues”: critic’s should be critics (no apostrophe)

page 50, last paragraph of Paid Shills section: “…may be among the very small group of followers of my blog. I think members of the church should be aware that this may be an activity…”

page 50, first paragraph of Controversial Things section: The first sentence would be more clear if it said something like, “An unfortunate thing is that most …” I got kind of confused about what the “this” was referring to in the sentences current writing. Also, you’re not quoting Hinckley, you are quoting Quinn, so the second sentence should read something like “Michael Quinn claimed that President Hinckley “acknowledged that there was…”

page 51, first paragraph: “listing” is better off as just “list”

page 51, third bullet: remove comma from “…three orders of priesthood,”

page 51, seventh bullet: put comma after “Eventually,”; and perhaps you could put a parenthetical statement referring to chapter 1, pages 37-40 where you mention that the Saints were a bit confused when they adopted the name Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. For example (see Chapter 1, pages 37-40, in which it is shown how the Saints were mistaken in taken upon themselves the name of Christ once more)

page 51, eighth bullet: needs period at end of sentence

page 51, first paragraph of Biblical section: I think the paragraph would read better if the sentence starting with “By preventing…” was written as such, “It appears to me that if people who are experiencing a faith crisis are prevented from learning about the truth about the restoration and the corporate church, they ultimately lose their faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

page 51, third paragraph of Biblical section: “…to take them literally,” should just be “literally,” so that the sentence flows better (i.e., “…to take the scriptures seriously, literally, and to BELIEVE THEM.”)

page 52, second full paragraph: “…which the modern” should be “…that the modern”

page 52, third full paragraph: remove comma from “…establishment of the church,” and from “…attempt to usher in,”

page 52, sixth full paragraph: remove comma from “…history of the church,” and change “…entire world are in all actuality in a state” to “…entire world are all actually in a state”

page 52, last paragraph: remove “essential” from last sentence; it is redundant with “need”

page 53, 3rd paragraph: I noticed that the urgency to establish Zion demonstrated by the Saints…

page 53, last paragraph: …the dispensation of the fulness of times that was being anticipated.

page 54, last paragraph: …the Lord foretold that he would lose his awareness and fall. It corresponds to the chronology of the prophecy better; that is, JS would transgress, which would make him unaware (covering the seer’s eyes), and the result would be a fall from grace.

page 57, footnotes 161,162: I assume “MS” is Morning Star, but you should probably write it out.

page 58, last paragraph: This person would be a descendant of King David from the second kingdom of Israel, after the kingdom of Judah became divided from the kingdom of Israel. I don’t understand what the bold signifies. Was not king David the King of Israel prior to the division?

page 60, bullet 5: needs period at end of paragraph

page63, footnote 186: instead of “cumulatively”, the word you want is “collectively”

page 67, 3rd paragraph of Atonement section: “…cross the over” should be just “enter”

 Comments by RR

page 98 First paragraph, break up the second sentence.”…out of their midst[period] God, in his wrath, left the Latter-day Saints with the preparatory gospel of Abraham, which contains the law of carnal commandments[period] This law can only curse[comma] and not bless[comma] when the fulness of the gospel is not on the earth.”

2nd paragraph, Something doesn’t work with “…returned to the priesthood they had lost when the final time…”  I’m not sure how you want to rephrase the sentence.

The Malachi 3:16 quote has a typo “them [that] feared the Lord”.  The next quote is from verse 17 (not noted).

That’s all for today!  I’m going to go play with my kids now

page 90 “I shall appoint…another in his stead” needs a footnote.

page 101:
middle section   Joseph Smith received three revelations  (Where are they found?)
footnote 279  This will be (WAS) covered in ch 4

page 102: [This is a personal question, not something to clarify in the text – We agree on the basis of scripture that Joseph transgressed in some way.  Does that mean that he is necessarily guilty   of the things he is being accused of by historical accounts?  You mentioned in the last chapter that the sins were artificially put upon him (page 88),  Here is the definition of artificial
: not natural or real : made, produced, or done to seem like something natural.  Can you show from scripture that Joseph is actually guilty of the sins he is accused of, and not some other    transgression (for the Lord seeth not as man seeth).  The reason this seems relevant is that you are emphasizing the foolishness of trusting in science, and human knowledge, yet I don’t       know of any other source for believing that we know what Joseph was or was not guilty of doing or not doing, unless scripture is that explicit. (In my ignorance  I can’t say for sure it isn’t         there.)

Something about the writing style on this page feels a little like you are trying to sell me on something.  It might be the cumulation of adjectives like “The miraculous foretelling, in these three sections of the D&C, rivals the amazing passages in ancient scripture…”, “secret, prophetic storyline”, “seldom, if ever,”, “uninspired interpretation”, and “The prophetic storyline and true history of Mormonism detailed in this book has largely been a secret to Latter-day Saints living during the last four generations and, yet, it has been prophesied and documented in ancient scripture and modern revelation.”  There is nothing really wrong with any of the writing, but taken together, it sounds a little like the tone from the shopping network or the ads that show up in my inbox.  I totally understand your excitement and desire to share, but many readers (I think of people like my dad) are already sceptics of anything unorthodox, and are unlikely to trust something that seems to manipulate emotions as a reason to discount what you are really saying.

page 103 Half way down page, immediately following numbered list, a capitalized “T” is missing from the beginning of the paragraph.

page 104 “Computers and word crunching software with searching algorithms almost appear to represent a form of Transhumanism that results in a technological singularity in understanding the prophetic storyline of what really took place during Joseph Smith’s ministry.”  This is over my head. Even though I know what you mean, I don’t really know what you said.  However, I will probably read a few articles about Mormon Transhumanism, after I am done with the chapter, now that I know it exists.

page 105 Three lines from the bottom, biblical needs capitalization.

page 107 footnote 293 refers to “will be addressed in chapters 4 and 6”, but 4 was previous, and 6 is the chapter we are in). Also remove the apostrophe from chapter’s

page 109 First paragraph. Divide into two sentences.
Second paragraph:  This is SO important! Your readers may not believe this statement, so references to each claim about prophets would be a valuable resource.

page 115 Five lines from the bottom of page, Capitalize “almighty”.
Second to last line, change “apparent” to “apparently” (adverbs modify adjectives)

page 116 (add citation to quoted scripture).

page 117: first sentence, remove apostrophe-s from Joseph’s

page 118: first paragraph of Gileadi quote, next to last line, capitalize “book of Mormon”

page 120.  You state “…he who is watching for the purpose of being gathered and consecrated before the Lord returns..,”.  I read this verse more literally, that he who is watching will be found imparting his portion, or rather serving those he has an opportunity to bless, caring for the poor, teaching the pure doctrine of Christ, etc.  In contrast to the evil servant (verse 54) who says the Lord delays his coming and begins to beat the men-servants and maidens, and to eat, and drink, and be drunken.  A clearer illustration of the faithful servant’s behavior is found in JST Matthew 24:52-53. “Who then is a faithful and wise servant,whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord when he cometh shall find so doing.”

page 121 footnote 332 says C&C 101:47

page 123, halfway down page, add apostrophe to “Gentiles kingdom”, capitalize “gentile nations”, capitalize “inspired version” (because it is the name of the book)

page 126 13th bullet point.  I don’t know what “four covenants” you refer to
15th bullet point. “…made with their Father’s…” (remove apostrophe)
last paragraph: capitalize “book of Mormon” and remove comma after Gentiles

page 127 halfway down page:  “…did not represent that great last work, rather, it was laying the foundation…” Put a period after work to divide into two sentences.

page 129 footnote 350 typed as “350350”, chapter 5 is previous, so, “The prophecy [was] addressed…” However, a quick scan of chapter 5 didn’t show me this prophecy from Revelation 12, so either I wasn’t looking carefully enough and need a more specific reference point, or it is in a different place in the book.

page 135 footnote 362 “completion of the House of the Lord in House in Nauvoo…”

page137, second line of quote from 2 Nephi 3: “both in word and indeed” (in deed should be two words)

page 140, first quote “Lords house” (add apostrophe)
just under footnote 370 in text – did you mean “later days”, or “latter days”?

page 141, last paragraph, first sentence, remove commas after 1836 and after apex

page 142; 2nd paragraph under “The Heavens Were Closing” “Section 112 declared the whole had been overcome by gross darkness…”  Something is missing here.  Verse 23 doesn’t include the word “whole”.  It says darkness covers the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people…”

page145, first line of second paragraph, capitalize “inspired version”
same paragraph, capitalize “gentiles” twice, and again in the 6th paragraph of the quoted scripture

page 153 halfway through first quote, “and hate me, smith the Lord God” I think that means “saith”

page154: point 5 continues from two sections prior (and should be numbered as 6).  There needs to be some introduction or transition after the dates to reorient the reader to the sequence that was interrupted and will now continue to the end of the chapter.

page 193: Third sentence – remove all the commas, except after Kirtland.
end of second paragraph- add comma after “ultimately”
third paragraph, change braking to breaking.  When was the letter written, before or after 1836? No reference cited for the letter.
5th paragraph – either a comma before “resulting”, or make a separate sentence.
7th paragraph – “…period that lasted…and continued” instead of “continuing.

page 194: 1st paragraph – “Clearly, the restored church…” Remove the rest of the commas from this sentence.
after April 3, 1836.  There seems to be a random 183n in the middle of LDS Restoration Movement
missing comma in May 1 1836

page 195: section under July 23,1837. This brings me back to my earlier question about the use of “house”.  When the verse says “vengeance cometh upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth…”  I understand this use of “house” to refer to a group of people, not a physical structure.  To understand this verse the way you describe, literally, the Kirtland temple would appear to be both burned and destroyed by a whirlwind.  That sounds more like the unfinished Nauvoo temple than the Kirtland one.  Since we have no record of the Lord ever claiming the Nauvoo temple as His house, I lean toward “house” as a collection of gathering Israelites.
2nd paragraph – “…but it is an obscure event [no comma] that is difficult to …”

page 196: line just above subheading, “directed by and ancient patriarchal priesthood”
second line from the bottom of page, remove comma after Ohio

page 197: footnote 530. I’m not sure what the connection is you are referring to.  What you quoted says “for the salvation of my people”, but the footnote says to compare “for the salvation of the church”.  This is verse 36 (which should be noted).  Is there a different verse you refer to, or are you using “people” and “church” interchangeably?

page 200: footnote 542 the first web-link appears to be cut off
second indented quote.  The word “choisests” appears rather strange.  I don’t know if it is a typo, or copied from the original.

page 201: next to last sentence on page, remove either one of the two “secretly”s from the sentence.

page 202: first paragraph, take out hyphen from latter-day
last sentence of next-to-last paragraph “[Q]uorum of the Twelve” and “represent the fulfillment [of] Book of Mormon prophecies”
Consider making the numbered points bold and spacing them a bit so that the numbered headings starting on page 204 seem to be a continuation of this list, rather than starting from nowhere.

page 203: I’m not sure what “…to overthrow the kingdom of the Jews, and to make straight the way of the Lord”  is doing there.  Is it supposed to be a new section heading?  This info needs a heading to focus attention on what you are saying — it is crucial to understand this idea of re-establishing the Kingdom of Judah for much of your later material to make sense.

Comments by MH

On Page 37, footnote 81:  You list D&C 35:1 and Moroni 10:12 which appear to not be related at all to D&C 82 and the point you were making.

Footnote 86:  concerning D&C 101:75, you seem to indicate that the Lord no longer considered them his people by indicating that he said “call themselves after my name”. You make this out to be negative, but immediately after that phrase he says that they are “willing to hearken to my voice”.  If you refer to D&C 84:52, the Lord says the only ones not under condemnation were those who “hear his voice” and come unto Him.

If they are willing to hearken to his voice, then weren’t they still in his good graces at that point? I understand all of the other contextual evidences, but this may be a stretch to indicate that the Saints at that time were no longer worthy just because they “call themselves after [His] name”. Thanks for posting all of the other peer review responses, there are some good points being brought up. Overall, your work is astounding and should be considered by all LDS.

Comments by JC

Pg 87- Paragraph beginning “Shortly after..”, in the last sentence, it says “and the priesthood been had…”  need to be changed to “had been”

Pg 98- Malachi 3:16 reference towards bottom of page.  It says “written before him for them the feared..”  “the” needs to be changed to “that”

Pg 136- Paragraph beginning “This amazing allegory..” there needs to be a space between the second sentence ending “Verse 70.” and “Unlike”

Also a little further down the page in the verse “…if ye labor with your might…” the word “layup” to “lay up”

Pg 137- Citation beginning “And there shall rise up” the word “indeed” edit as “in deed”

Pg 141- Paragraph beginning “We see from Section 64” end of first sentence, beginning of second sentence needs a space between “1836.” and ” Section”

Pg 142- Paragraph beginning “Section 112 declared the whole had been” needs “world” added for “the whole world had been”

Pg 172- Paragraph beginning “Joseph Smith observed”, the last sentence has a number 2 at the beginning of it.  I’m not sure if this is just a typo, or if there is supposed to be a citation there.

Pg 179- Paragraph beginning “As I looked at the area”, the second sentence beginning “I had heard rumored that some out of print” change to “I had heard rumors” or omit the word all together with “I had heard that some”

Pg 182- Second to last paragraph on page. Space needed between first and second sentence of “Section 94!” and “I”

Also, last paragraph, another space needed between “(to my knowledge anyway).” and “Section 109”

Pg 192- Paragraph beginning “The Book of Mormon”, first sentence says “not the .ld world” edit to “old” (I’m assuming)

Pg 193- Paragraph beginning “In a letter that”, in the first sentence, the word “braking” change to “breaking”

Pg 194- April 3, 1836 bullet point, second sentence says “The Book of Daniel refers to is as”; change to “refers to it as”

Also, in same bullet point, the line that read “of the LDS Restoration 183n Movement”, I’m not clear on what “183n” was meant to be?  1830 perhaps?

Pg 223- Paragraph beginning “The literal fulfillment”, the last sentence reads “Modern revelation is pregnant with”.  I might choose a different wording for “pregnant with”.  Options include, “filled with”, “rich with” etc.  The word pregnant just kind of threw me off for some reason.

Comments by RR

Not a big deal, but the first table is Table #1 and the second is Table 2.  As these tables are separated by a chapter, and there doesn’t appear to be anything else in the book labeled as a table, you may just want to give them descriptive names.

page 159:  The dates of the church in the wilderness are speculation.  There are many dates that could be referred to, such as events involved in the Protestant Reformation, which led to the “woman being given two wings of a great eagle” (possibly referring to the founding events of America). Unless you have an something to indicate that 570 AD is a date relevant to history, or the thesis of the chapter, it is better to leave it out of the main text. Removing the parenthetical expression would fix this. — I found the explanation on page 173. You might want to point to a similar reference on this page for interested readers.

“Two Critical Definitions” section. Some separation is needed between “Church of God Man Child”
Second paragraph first sentence would be easier to follow if revised.  Something like: Shortly after the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood at the special conference at the Morley Farm in June 1831, the Lord referred to those who were ordained High Priests and were attempting to live the law of the gospel (containing the law of consecration) as the “Church of God.”
Do “The Church of God”, “Church of the Living God”, and “Church of the Firstborn” refer to exactly the same thing?
Next sentence: Shortly thereafter, the fulness of the priesthood was lost [comma] and according to the prophecy in Revelation 12, the Kingdom of God was caught up to God.

page 160 “The Church of God” section.
“the elders who have not received the Melchizedek Priesthood [from the voice of God] are the presiding authorities…”  I know this point has been made, but it needs to be reiterated for those        who are conditioned to the idea that all elders have received the Melchizedek Priesthood.
Are there no women in the “Church of God”?

“The Kingdom of God” section indicates that those who are in the “Church of God” who are “chosen” to be High Priests (the previous section describes those who are “called” to the highest office of High Priest are the Church of God) are the Kingdom of God.
In what church or kingdom are “those who are baptized by water, fire, and the Holy Ghost” who have not been called by the voice of God out of heaven to the highest office of High Priest, nor chosen for that calling?  Again, if being chosen a “High Priest” is a prerequisite, there wouldn’t appear to be any women in that kingdom.

page 161 “They explain that the [k]ingdom [seen by] Daniel saw, was hindered and delayed in going forth to subdue all other kingdoms[,] and the conflict with the powers of darkness would not be resolved during that generation.”
Next to last paragraph: “The kingdom[no comma] that was caught up to heaven[no comma] will return to Earth at the appointed time[no comma] to strike the foot of the image and roll forth in power, subduing the kingdoms of the earth.”
Next to last line, remove the comma after “remained on the earth”

You keep referring to a 3 1/2 year period, but I don’t remember you describing in the book where the significance of this number is explained.  I know the blog did a great job talking about “a time and times and half a time” but I haven’t seen that explanation here yet.

page 162, first paragraph. Remove comma after iniquity.
“The house of and throne of David”
Why is the house/throne of David re-established forever, while the kingdom of  God is established forever?

page 167. two headings with very little content should be removed and the content incorporated into other sections.

page 168: interesting poem. Is there a reference?

page 173 footnote helps answer my question about dates earlier from page159

page 174 footnote 461 ” place in heaven for Job”, or “place in heaven for Satan”?

page 184: last quote on page, “they” should by “thy”

page 188: last paragraph “Gods people” needs apostrophe (two times)

page 192: 6 lines down, “non” should be “none”
second line of first paragraph. “.ld” should be “old”
last paragraph. Capitalize “inspired version”

This was a great chapter!  I was very interested to learn about the collection of artifacts.  Thanks for letting everyone participate in this project.  I feel like I am getting a real education.  You have done an amazing job putting so much information together.

Using Scripture Searching Software and the Doctrine of the 3rd Watch to Unlock Hidden Treasures of Knowledge from Modern Revelation

September 3, 2015

I got this email from a member of the peer review:

“Can you give me some thoughts on D&C 115:4-6 and section 112 that I can mull over while re-reading again tonight?

Why does the Lord in vs. 4 say “thus shall my church be called in the last days, even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.”  When just prior in  section 109:73 the Lord states ” That thy church my come forth out of the wilderness of darkness”, and then in section 112:23  “all flesh has become corrupt before my face.” So if the highest priesthood has been lost and all flesh is corrupt, then why does the Lord refer to the LDS church in the last days as “my church”?

Also, why does the Lord then go on in vs 5-6 of section 115, to talk about the land of Zion being a refuge?  Is he talking about the 3rd watch? I cant’ see it being the second watch?

And one more, in section 112:25 he talks about vengeance coming first “upon my house” and in vs. 26 “first among those who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house.” is this the 3rd or 2nd watch? Because if it’s the 3rd watch is he speaking of the LDS people or Christians in general?

Thanks for you thoughts!”


The response-

You are beginning to see it!

It IS  3rd watch related!

Because of your general knowledge of the prophetic narrative behind church history, you know that something doesn’t make sense in the narrative that you are reading here right?

You know that the Lord had told the saints that if they did not keep his commandments they would not have his spirit and that he would not call them by his name.

You know that during the years after the saints rejected the fulness that Lord still acknowledged the saints as his people but had officially taken his name out of the name of the church.

Following that, the saints took it upon themselves to reinsert the name of Christ into the name of the Church.

Interestingly, they started this practice long before section 115 was given. Section 11 is simply used by the modern corporate church to claim that the Lord had put his blessing upon this new tradition of calling themselves by his name.

Nevertheless, there is no official revelation wherein the Lord reinserts his name into the name of the church.

Indeed, one of the petitions during the Kirtland Temple dedication was for the Lord to once again put the name of Christ upon the church:

“O hear, O hear, O hear us, O Lord! And answer these petitions, and accept the dedication of this house unto thee, the work of our hands, which we have built unto thy name;79 And also this church, to put upon it thy name..” D&C 109:78

Following that petition, the Lord started acknowledging that it was the saints that called themselves by his name, not him-

“Let not that which I have appointed be polluted by mine enemies, by the consent of those who call themselves after my name..” D&C 101:97

“And that those who call themselves after my name might be chastened for a little season with a sore and grievous chastisement, because they did not hearken altogether unto the precepts and commandments which I gave unto them.” D&C 103:4

Several years after section 118 is given, the Lord once again acknowledge that it was the saints that were calling themselves by his name, in fact, the Lord acknowledged that the saints, (and I use that term lightly) were not currently doing the will of God and keeping his commandments. According to section 125, it is only after the saints repent and start keeping the commandments, that the Lord would allow them to begin gathering to appointed places and build up cities for a time to come:

“Verily, thus saith the Lord, I say unto you, if those who call themselves by my name and are essaying to be my saintsif they will do my will and keep my commandments concerning them, let them gather themselves together unto the places which I shall appoint unto them by my servant Joseph, and build up cities unto my name, that they may be prepared for that which is in store for a time to come.” D&C 125:2

As you can see, the so-called saints were only essaying to be saints, which, according to the 1828 Websters, means trying or attempting.


ESSA’YING, ppr. Trying; making an effort; attempting.


How do we resolve that apparent contradiction where the Lord appears to be reinstating his name in the name of the church in section 118 of the Doctrine and Covenant, even though he had previously acknowledged multiple times that he was no longer calling them by his name and he would continue to acknowledge that even after the perplexing narrative in Section 115 he was still not calling them by his name?

Note in section 115 verse 3 “for thus it shall be called“.

I am going to suggest that the Lord is projecting forward into the 3rd watch. Section 118 is largely a prophecy about the future. It has to do with the last, final restoration when the light of the fulness of the gospel shines forth again.

He is informing the saints that when the 3rd watch begins and the servants go forth for the last time converting the elect, there will be two divisions of his church-

  1. a) those in the land of Zion who are living gospel law, they will be referred to as the “church in Zion” and
  1. b) those that are faithful, but in a scattered condition and not yet able to consecrate and receive an inheritance in the land of Zion, will be referred to as the “church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints until they can finally gather and consecrate and join with the “church in zion”. It is at that time, in the 3rd watch, that the scattered, but faithful saints will finally be worthy of being called by the Lords name.

Now we shall prove the above interpretation using keyword crunching software.

The next verse helps to confirm this interpretation. Google the keywords in the next verse

“Verily I say unto you all: Arise and shine forth, that thy light may be a standard for the nations;”

We know that “light” and “standard” has been spoken of in section 45

“And even so I have sent mine everlasting covenant into the world, to be a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles to seek to it, and to be a messenger before my face to prepare the way before me.”

but section 45 is paraphrasing Old Testament prophecies of events to take place in the end times when the light shines forth again. That is how we know that the Lord is speaking futuristically about the 3rd watch.

Jeremiah 51 speaks of a major event coming up where the “standard” is “set up” when the trumpet is blown-

Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdom”

Isaiah 49 which provides the Davidic lamentation of how the servant first laments that he has “labored in vain” failing to gather Israel but then the Lord assures him that “though Israel be not gathered he will “yet”.. ” be glorious in the eyes of the Lord” (4-6)

Now look at the keywords that follow later in the prophetic narrative-

Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

23  And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24  ¶ Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25  But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26  And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Clearly, the narrative and events in the above passages in Isaiah had not yet come to pass and still have not (but they are about to!) Hence, the Lord was speaking prophetically about the future, he was not telling the saints that he was now reinserting his name into the name of the church.

Isaiah visits the topic again in chapter 59 noting that the standard is set up at the time that the enemy comes into the latter day land of Israel like a flood. This is the time when latter day Israel finally is turned from transgression-

When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

20  ¶ And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

21  As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Lastly, look at what the keywords “arise AND shine” brings up!

They will take you to Isaiah 60 which is also speaking about the 3rd watch narrative

1  ARISE, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2  For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3  And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4  Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

The term “arise” is a prophetic term that Isaiah used to refer to when the saints would finally arise from the dust and repent

2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money. Isaiah 52: 2

Joseph would later provide commentary on the above passage explaining that the “band of thy neck” referred to the curses of God that resulted when latter day Israel became scattered after they rejected the fulness and failed to gather and consecrete:

Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion—and what people had Isaiah reference to?
8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to that power which she had lost.
9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?
10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.

That if the state of the saints of God that failed and became condemned during Joseph Smith’s ministry. During the little season of chastisement in which they are being chastened, they have curses placed upon them by God because they rejected the law that he gave them.

In the third watch when the light shines forth, a portion of the Gentiles from the House of Israel will repent and arise and shine forth during a time when darkness has covered the earth. The curses of God will be taken off of them. They will return to the authority of the priesthood that they have right to by lineage. They will return to the power they have lost. The Lord will unseal the heavens and begin to speak to them again. They will once again receive revelation.

Do the descriptives in verse 2 of Isaiah 60 that speak of darkness covering the earth remind you of anything?

Compare them to D&C 112 which also has 3rd watch events embedded in it, yet it notifies the saints that darkness covers the earth (because the fulness had been rejected)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

24  Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25  And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26  First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

Another interesting observation about the amazing narrative in chapter 60, of Isaiah which continues providing an end of days narrative all the way to chapter 65, is that Isaiah notes that the Lord is not calling the condemned church by his name

Note the following passage in Isaiah 65:

I AM sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face;

Are the saints of the restoration clear down to those of us living today not the rebellious people being spoken of in the above passage?

Are the condemned people of the Lord in the latter days mentioned in Isaiah, not the same latter day Israel that is described in modern revelation? Are we not the ones that had the name of Christ taken out of the name of the church?

Is it not clearly documented in the D&C that after we became a condemned church we were NOT called by the name of the Lord by the Lord?

There you have it!

The narrative about the saints not being worthy to be called by the name of Christ, by the Lord, even shows up in Isaiah 65 as another witness of what we have discovered.

As you can see, having

1)  the context provided by the prophetic narrative in church history that the church had been placed under condemnation,

2)  coupled with the knowledge of the doctrine of the three watches, and

3) armed with the power of word crunching software, that enables fast and thorough searches of the holy word of God which unlocks the hidden meanings of the scripture,

the Lord has provided a way for those that are seeking and searching greater knowledge, to unlock the the magnificent secrets of hidden knowledge that are embedded in modern revelation. Without these blessings, the D&C is essentially a sealed book.

The outer, uninspired interpretation gives the condemned church the license they are looking for to justify their actions and assume that Christ has once again placed his name in the name of the church and teach that they are purveyors of the fulness of the gospel, despite the fact that the saints had not repented and were still not living gospel law and were not worthy to be called by his name. However, by having the broader context, we see, by the grace of God, what is really being said by the Lord.

Praise God


Piece by Piece… A Peer Review of Solving the Prophet Puzzle- Part 1

September 2, 2015

Peer Review Feedback

The peer review process is going to be rather archaic. I am simply asking those who are reading my “preliminary manuscript” (via physical book or online) and making comments on it, to email them to my gmail account. onewhoiswatching [at] gmail dot com.

I will then periodically post them on my blog along with a youtube presentation in which I will be responding to many of the observations.

I am making the feedback public for the purpose of involving those who don’t want to read and make comments, but are interested in knowing what the issues are and listening in on the discussion.

I am now up to about 22 people who have expressed an interest in participating in the review. A few others have simply started participating by sending feedback which is fine.

It appears that most of these people purchased a hard copy of the book.

Those still interested in purchasing a copy of the book my do so by clicking on the following link and using the passcode that I am providing.

The link for ordering the book is as follows:

The pass code necessary for ordering the book is  3watches777

Every member of the peer review with a google email has been sent a Google Docs permission link which allows them to read the book online from my Google docs as a matter of convenience.

It appears that even some peer review members without Gmail addresses are being allowed to have permission, although some email providers cannot provide protection. Those that cannot provide protection are not given permission.

If you are a member of the peer review and have not obtained a permission link for reading online, email me and I will put you on the list so that you can read it online. If you don’t have a gmail email address then there is only about a 50% chance that I will be sending you a link. It depends on who your email provider is.

I am calling this youtube series in which I respond to some of the peer review comments “Piece by Piece: A peer review of the book, ” Solving the Prophet Puzzle”

Below is part 1 of this series

Although most members of the peer review are just getting their books and their online permission links and have not had time to send comments, several have. Hence, here is part one of the youtube series. Below it you will see a laundry list of the comments I have received which I am currently cataloging into the following categories.

General Tone, Theme, Layout, Style, Size of Manuscript, Feelings, Questions

Doctrinal Issues

Historical Issues

Prophecy Issues

Clarification Issues

Graphics and graphs

Grammar, Typos, missing words, footnotes



General Tone, Theme, Layout, Style, Size of Manuscript, Feelings, Questions

Comments by TD

600 pages is an impediment to the average reader, but I am not suggesting you make it shorter.

My one suggestion is that you provide verse references in the footnotes throughout. At one point you referenced Section 107 without a verse to indicate that the Pres of the High Priesthood was to be chosen by the body instead of by revelation as indicated in Section 102. Problem for the reader is that 107 is VERY long to read for anyone who wants to validate or mark it in their scriptures themselves.

That’s all for now. How ironic that a blind man helped you to see. Very poetic. Love it.

Comments by MH

I’ve started the book and so far I love the way you listed Chapter by chapter a summary of what is in them.

Comments by RR

I think there is some inconsistency with the use of personal titles in chapter 1.  It seemed very natural to refer to Pastor Allen, but starting on page 31, you switch from “President Ezra Taft Benson” to “Benson” within the same section (Modern Mormon Leaders Acknowledged the Modern Apostasy).  The change is jarring, but either designation could be critiqued by readers.  At the time the quote was made, Ezra Taft Benson was not the President of the church.  In a culture that tends to place greater weight on the statements of church Presidents than “lesser” authorities, like apostles and seventies, it might be helpful to avoid the same error we find in the Teachings of the Living Prophets manuals to go back in a person’s life and treat every statement as though it came from the mouth of the prophet. On the other hand, simply referring to him as “Benson” sounds like the tone used by anti-Mormons who are critical of everything said by church leaders. On the next page, you reference “Benson”, “Joseph Fielding Smith”, “George Q. Cannon”, “Erastus Snow”, and “John Taylor”.  Depending on your audience, you might want to mention who these people are, at least parenthetically.  Unless you assume all your readers already know who they are.

Comments by RN

What’s the one main hook. The big idea for the book that all other ideas support? There has to be this main theme that runs through the book to give it direction. That leads the readers to the conclusion of something that was previously unthought of.

Comments by DL

I do not know whether to hate you or love you for the information you write.  When I started to praying for my eyes to be opened, my mind to be clear, and my heart to feel “the true word of God” I had no idea it would lead me to the various paths that enabled me to become closer to his word and his truth. Many of these have been outside of the traditional LDS box.  I should have put some stipulation on my prayers…

Although at this time I have come closer to and felt the true spirit of Christ outside of the LDS box “several months” verses in the box for the “past 30 years”.  I came to a realization several years ago that “I” was just like the children of Israel under Moses.  Then as I was reading D&C 1:14 it hit me a prophet was number 3 on the list and that I should be working with the number one God my Lord and Savior.     Now the spiritual realm is really coming forth again, which is good.  Working on the spiritual gifts I was supposed to have done thirty years ago.

I wished you would explain with examples on how you do these word or scripture searches.

Comment by RR

Do you think Joseph has to be guilty of everything he is charged with in order for the atonement statute to kick in? Is it possible that his private life was closer to his public teaching, and that his private teachings on polygamy were more in line with the Ezekiel 14 warning?

Thanks.  I know that the suspension of the Relief Society has been attributed to Emma’s opposition to polygamy, but I thought it was more Brigham’s concern. I have never heard that Joseph had anything to do with it, and in fact, the “Voices of Innocence From Nauvoo” that was the topic of the final RS meetings was previously read by WW Phelps to a congregation of several thousand people at the temple site (amid other speeches).  That meeting was presided over by Joseph and other prominent church leaders (March 7, 1844),so I doubt that was the cause of no further RS meetings.

Questions by GM

Anyway, where I’m going with this is it would seem that although the church may not be all that it claims and even apostate, it still seems to be the Lord’s instrument for warning his people – would you agree with that?  And if so, does it alarm you being outside of the church that you might not get the warning?

I have not heard of this first and second harvest.  Is it scriptural?

Grammar, Typos, missing words, footnotes

Comments by RN

Page 32 you have a quote from oct 1944 attributed to George q cannon. It should be j. Reuben Clark.

Pg 35 doesnt have the BoC reference from 1829 were the Lord told them he would deliver them over to satan.

Comment by RR

On page 35, there is no footnote for the quote “If this generation harden their hearts…”

Just a comment about the footnote 33 on page 20.

There seems to be a word missing in “detailing why he was the rightful of the church,”

Comments by RN

“War among themselves” not “warn”

I had no idea about the story of you and Clare Middlemiss. That’s fascinating.

I did find a rather small editing error. It’s footnote 26. The year is in small font instead of keeping it the same with the month and date.

Comments by MH

I found something in the footnote on Page 20, footnote 33 about Sidney Rigdon. “Ridgon’s speech….why he was the rightful _____ of the church…”

The rightful what?  Leader?  Successor?  President?

Comments by BP

Page 406, footnote Footnote 1008 “itis” also similar problem under footnote 1105

Comments by RR

page 77 Do you have sources that indicate Joseph Smith suspended the Relief Society in 1842? I know from the minutes that the last meeting was in September of that year, that when they started again the following summer Emma was absent throughout the year, although she is mentioned in her absence.  At one point they are even asking the women to pray that her life will be spared, so there may have been some serious health concerns.  At some of the meetings none of the RS presidency were in attendance, so it may just be a really busy time for everyone.  When they finally met again in 1844, it was to read “Voices of Innocence From Nauvoo” in 4 sessions (so everyone could attend).  This document had previously been read in a large public meeting where Joseph presided, and was written by Joseph’s secretary, so it was hardly done behind his back, as many people seem to accuse her of.

You are missing a citation for Joseph’s Ezekiel 14 sermon

Just before the final quoted paragraph on pg 77, need to capitalize “book of commandments” in 1829.


Comments by RR

Also, I think the info about the Taylor shorthand version of Thomas Bullock’s notes needs to be updated.  Google shows that the transcription was published in BYU Studies vol 53:2 called

Sidney Rigdon’s Plea to the Saints: Transcription of Thomas Bullock’s Shorthand Notes from the August 8, 1844, Morning Meeting

The download is $.99, but the site seems to be down right now.

I know nothing about shorthand, but there may be some confusion about how obsolete Taylor Shorthand is.  You can get a book that teaches it, if someone wants to learn it from Google or Amazon.  The problem according to the church translation specialist is that it is too hard to take notes verbatim, so we still have to piece together what was actually said.  The later Pitman Shorthand used by George D. Watt was better at catching every word and this is what is being translated in the church’s Lost Sermons project, which does not include the Bullock notes from Rigdon’s speech.

Comments by MH

the point about Joseph’s and God’s intent on restoring a NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH is kind of weak.  The Scriptures you provide never say “New Testament” church.  Also, “Disciples from days of old” could mean a more ancient church that goes way earlier than the meridian of time.  The other two scriptures just say “church”, again, this could indicate the church from Adam’s day or Noah’s day or Enoch’s day, etc…

If the New Testament Church is the ultimate goal, then why so much focus on Enoch and the fact that he was translated? Why are there no scriptural records of a Quorum of Twelve and a Quorum of Seventy being established in Enoch’s day?

I think a stronger case needs to be made that Joseph was indeed only intending a New Testament Restoration rather than something broader and more ancient.

Graphics and Graphs

Comment by RN

The graph on page 18 lists scriptures that compare D&C 1 and 1 Ne 22.

The last line is incorrect. There is no verse 35 in 1Ne 22. There is a verse in 2 Ne 27:35 that fits.

Suggestion would be to remove that line. I read chapter 22 looking for something close and verses 22-23 were in the ball park if correction means being shown their error and thrust down to hell. :)


Prophecy Issues

Comments by JJ

As you may guess, I have to ponder your approach to the definition of the ‘fulness of the gospel,’ as well as the components of 3rd Nephi that you have used to support your narrative. I will need to walk through this a little more carefully. I understand that you say the Lord can change times in successive verses, but I see the continuity in the whole sixteenth chapter from a time perspective. I can get into this in a little more detail after I have through this through more deeply.


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