For those who are Watching…

November 28, 2008

For general listing of all posts on both sites with brief description click here

This is the sister site of www.threewatches.blogspot.com

It contains deep doctrine pertaining to the LDS Restoration Movement and the Restored Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

One must first learn to swim before one enters into deep waters.

The content provided herein is for those who have been weaned from the breast and yearn for the meat. Those not prepared for the meat can choke on it.

It is for those who have contracted the spirit of watching and have made it through the “Third Watch Boot Camp” which consists of reading every numbered post in chronological order on the above mentioned three watches blog, beginning with the very first post which lays the foundation for the journey you are about to embark on.

If you make it that far and still want more information to read, this blog would be next.

If you cheat and read the information in this site first, you risk getting a big, ugly wart on the end of your nose and you will only be cheating yourself. The content in this blog will make much more sense and be much more meaningful if you lay the proper foundation first.

The deeper doctrines of the kingdom have the ability to either enhance your “testimony” of the restored gospel or expose how frail it is, based on the doctrinal and spiritual foundation you have acquired before you read this information.

Prepare for the journey of your life…. we’re not in Kansas anymore Toto

Watcher

misc articles

The Bridegroom Tarried…

Seven Shepherds and an Angel

A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement

Why have ye transfigured the Holy Word of God?

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine

We have found the Messias!

The Fulness of the Father

When the Floods come and the Winds Blow and the Rains Descend
Watching for the signs in the heavens

A Second Look at the Ten Virgins
Analysing the literal meaning and time frame of the Parable of the Ten Virgins

Searching for the Holy Order and 23 High Priests-

Part 1- Lyman Wight Sees the Father and the Son

Part 2 The Man of Sin is Revealed

Part 3- Melchizedek Priesthood required to Establish Zion

Part 4- The Highest Priesthood makes you a Possessor of All Things

Part 5- Patriarchal Priesthood Administers New and Everlasting Covenant

Part 6- The Transfiguration of Lyman Wight

Part 7- True Oath & Covenant found in True Manner of Baptism

Part 8- The Gospel of Abraham and Patriarchal Polygamy

Part 9- Three Orders of Priesthood

Part 10- Three Distinct Churches Representing Three Distinct Gospel Laws

Baneemy- The Wild Ram of the Mountains
A look at one of the most amazing personalities of the LDS Restoration Movement

The Law of Adoption and the Sealing Principles
How did the Law of Adoption and Sealing Principles evolved into “Families are Forever”?

Black and White Robes- Part One
Ancient prophesies warn that latter day Israel would be seduced into a false covenant

Black and White Robes Part Two
Ancient prophesies warn that a breach will take place between God and his people

Black and White Robes Final

“I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God”
Was it only the righteous in the pre-existent war in heaven that came to earth to go through moral probation?

BECOME ye therefore perfect? OR BE ye therefore perfect?
Did Christ really mean what he said when he commanded us to BE perfect instead of to BECOME perfect?

“I WILL TELL YOU IN YOUR MIND AND IN YOUR HEART”
How do we avoid being decieved? Intellectual knowledge? Warm fuzzy feelings? Or searching the word of God so the Holy Spirit can teach us through mind and our heart?

The Fulness of the Father
The doctrine of oneness and the Celestial Cloning of the Gods

“Bring AGAIN Zion”
Why is it that the Nephite Zion was not translated and caught up into heaven like the city of Enoch? Is it that they still have a mission to fulfill here on earth?

Peace and Safety
Right before the sudden destruction people will be saying “Pease and Safety”

The Return of Sidney Rigdon, God’s Spokesman- Part Four
Fourth and final part

The Unrestrained Ponderings and Pontifications of a Heretic
The mystical Union of the Sexes-Composite Beings- The Abrahamic Priesthood-

The Spiritual Wife Doctrine
The Celestial Law of Consecration requires the Holy Principle of Marital Monogamy


Michael Quinn Speaks to Fundamentalists at Centennial Park

April 24, 2015

Mike Quinn will be coming out with his third Mormon Hierarchy book next year and he apparently just signed a book contract with the University of Utah Press to write “A detailed history of plural marriage among the Mormons from Sep 1890 to Dec 1907, or 1915 or 1925” or something to that effect.

According to the grapevine this will be a more detailed and comprehensive version of his original, famous Dialogue article on Church-authorized, post-manifesto plural marriage.

Quinn is definitely one of the great LDS Historians and he has paid a stiff price for the integrity he showed in publishing the truth.

Within the last few weeks Quinn gave a talk to a fundamentalist group that is absolutely fascinating and extremely informative.

If you are interested in finding out the real reason that Quinn was excommunicated and also some very interesting facts about relatively recent Mormon  history you will probably be spellbound listening to this talk and the following Q&A.

Quinn, who is generally not an emotional person when giving talks, begins sobbing in this talk because of some of the heart breaking information he gives about decisions that church has made about forcing polygamists who married multiple wives legally in foreign nations, to discard their other wives in order to join the church.

He reveals a personal conversation he had with Gordon Hinckley wherein Hinckley confesses that he does not know very much about church history and doubts that any of the other General Authorities do either. Of course that is quite obvious to any of us that have studied church history, however the fact that he admits it is noteworthy.

The sad part about what Quinn is doing is that it will justify fundamentalists in their polygamy and it may even provide the impetus for the Snufferites and possibly even the modern church to eventually start practicing it.

While I love the research that Quinn has done, and the controversial history that he has shared, it is sad that he is so doctrinally ignorant and unable to discern the truth about polygamy.

Here is the video smf here is the text of his talk that was recently given at Centennial Park. The audio on the video becomes corrupted for a while during the Q and A.

 

Enjoy.


“If you will listen to and obey the words of my mortal Servant, the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against you”

April 22, 2015

One of the most amazing declarations and prophecies in modern revelation is found in section 21.

In that section, the Lord commands (and prophesies about) the canonization of the revelations that Joseph had been and would in the future, be receiving.

This revelation was given on the same day that section 20, containing the articles of the church, was given. It was given on the day that the church was formally organized.

In this revelation the saints were commanded to publish and canonize the revelations that Joseph Smith was receiving.

If Joseph Smith had been an impostor, making up revelations about prophecy and doctrine and instruction, out of thin air, canonizing over 100 make-shift revelations, (some being extemporaneously given in front of others), for the whole world to see, study, search and compare to the Bible, it would have been a very foolish disaster.

This is because it is impossible for a human being to fabricate that many revelations without having many of them contradict each other and contradict the other three canons of scripture. In fact most human beings cannot even fabricate one revelation without getting tripped up by the true word of God.

Talk about putting yourself out there for scrutiny!

What charlatan that is fabricating scripture would be stupid enough to provide so much rope for people to hang him with?

Imagine canonizing over 100 revelations about doctrine and prophecy, as well as day to day counsel for the saints that needs to also be congruent with the principles, commandments and declarations previously given in ancient scripture.

This is one of the many reasons I stand amazed at the D&C as well as the Book of Mormon, the New Testament and the Old Testament. The consistency of the meticulous doctrinal and prophetic content and narratives in ALL of these canons of scripture, not only within themselves, but also cumulatively, is simply mind-boggling.

Not only is the content within the D&C consistent with the other canons of scripture, it often clarifies and adds to the content in the previously canonized snippets from the mouth of God. Many of the ancient scriptural passages don’t even make sense until they are viewed in light of modern revelation.

I have probably done over 10,000 keyword searches in the scriptures ever since my employer forced me to become computer literate many years ago to verify consistency.

I pay close attention to the exactness of words and phrases and concepts because I have been comparing these words, phrases and doctrinal concepts between the various canons of scripture to verify the consistency and congruence of God’s Holy WORD in scripture

I love it when those who are claiming to be prophets actually provide “Thus sayeth the Lord” revelations of their own for me to read because it gives me the opportunity to see how congruent their revelations are with the canons of scripture that we have sustained as the word of God.

In modern revelation we have a challenge from God for those who were to bear testimony of the truthfulness of the revelations in the book of Commandments, but were fearful and doubtful about their veracity, to find fault with one of them, or make one up out of thin air that could pass scrutiny.

“Now, seek ye out of the Book of Commandments, even the least that is among them, and appoint him that is the most wise among you; Or, if there be any among you that shall make one like unto it, then ye are justified in saying that ye do not know that they are true; But if ye cannot make one like unto it, ye are under condemnation if ye do not bear record that they are true.” (See Section 67)

The historical narrative of that event informs us that he who considered himself the most wise among those that were doubting, actually took it upon himself to construct a revelation and thusly humiliated himself in front of his associates with the utter foolishness of what he wrote.

In 2 Timothy, Paul gives some really important counsel

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

We need to study the scriptures to be approved of God.

We need to study the scriptures to be able to “rightly divide the word of truth“. We need to correctly interpret what the passages are saying and be able to separate the meaning of passages that otherwise seem contradictory with a surface reading.

We need to become intimately familiar with the scriptures in order to detect the false prophets that arise among us claiming to be holy vessels and oracles of God.

Section 21 informs us that Joseph Smith was inspired to “lay the foundation” of the restored church and to “build it up to the most holy faith.

I would submit to you that that short sentence contained a reference to the second watch and also to the third watch. That is the amazing thing about reading the words of God because all time, past, present and future is continually before his eyes and therefore his words to us often include references to the past present and future.

I am going to suggest that the building up of the church unto the most holy faith is primarily a reference to Joseph’s calling in the third watch.

I am not taking anything away from Joseph’s efforts in the second watch.

Clearly he was successful in restoring the fulness of the gospel/priesthood for a three and a half year period of time in which an intercession was made, however, the Gentile church cumulatively rejected the fulness after receiving it and the Church and Kingdom of God fled back into the wilderness after the prophetic 3 1/2 year period.  The church and world have been in a state of darkness and apostasy from that time to the present.

I just don’t think that history or the scriptures would categorize Joseph’s effort and accomplishments during his 2nd watch ministry as having built up the church to the most holy faith. Certainly not in the long term.

Therefore, I interpret the above snippet from Section 21 to be referring to the last restoration during the Marvelous Work and a Wonder, when the cause of Zion will be realized.

That is when Joseph will ultimately be successful in building up the church to the “most holy faith”.

Section 21 notes that Joseph has been inspired to “move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good

Did Joseph move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good during the 2nd watch?

Was that accomplished following the restoration of the church back when Joseph was alive?

I would suggest not.

Clearly it is a prophecy of a future event when Joseph returns to the vineyard to complete his stewardship, as prophesied of in sections 101 and 103 and other passages..

In section 21 the saints of the newly established church are given this most sobering commandment:

“Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.”

The above passage is just pregnant with inspired counsel and doctrine and prophecy.

First, it is informing us that when God establishes his church, He speaks to his people through a designated Prophet with a capital “P”.

Every Saint is commanded and expected to be inspired of the Holy Ghost, and therefore to be a prophet with a small “p”, and to be inspired for themselves, for their own personal stewardships on a day to day basis. Furthermore, they are responsible for getting a witness from the Holy Ghost that the sayings, pronouncements and teachings of the Prophet are true. But the general word of God to the church as a whole, always comes through a Prophet with a captical “P” who is a Prophet, Seer and Revelator and has been called and ordained by God’s voice out of heaven, and sustained by the church through the law of common consent.

This is why modern revelation informs us that the President of the Church is to be like Moses:

“And again, the duty of the President of the office of the High Priesthood is to preside over the whole church, and to be like unto Moses—
Behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.”

As you can see, Moses is the grand prototype for the President of the High Priesthood and Church, when the fulness of the Gospel is on the earth. Even if Joseph was to have successors as the Prophet and President of the Church, they would need to qualify as being “like Moses”, and they would need to be Prophets Seers and Revelators.

The above passage informs us that the saints are to receive the revelations uttered by the President of the church who is like Moses, as if they came from the mouth of God… because they did come from the mouth of God.

The next observation I would share is that the saints are only supposed to “give heed” to the “words and commandments” which the President of the High Priesthood gives, when he is “walking in holiness before [the Lord]”.

How is that for a caveat?

This is where the need for being a prophet with a small “p” becomes so critically important.

It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

This is part of the grand test, to be able to spiritually discern when a Prophet is actually speaking as a Prophet.

This means it is possible for the President and Prophet of the Church to fall from grace and teach false doctrine and give false commandments. This is completely consistent with the protocol given in the D&C which provides instructions on how to excommunicate the President of the church.

Another reason why the President of the Church who is like Moses, might stop walking in holiness before the Lord is if he, like Moses, offered up an intercessory atonement offering in behalf of Israel. That is exactly what Moses did anciently.

This would place the sins of the people upon his head, causing him  to sin, just like Moses sinned anciently.

As you can see from section 21, God actually uses fallible mortal men as his mouthpiece to give his teachings and commandments to the people and to bless and test the people.

Now then, here is the promise associated with the saints that are accepting and listening to God’s Prophet when he is walking in holiness before the Lord:

“For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you”

This is a grand principle and promise  that has been given to the saints of God in helping them to avoid being deceived anytime the true church is on the earth.

If the Prophet of the Church is walking in holiness before the Lord and the Saints use their personal discernment to know that the Prophet is walking in holiness,and truly delivering God’s word to them,  they can avoid being swallowed up by the gates of hells by following the President of the Church who is a true Prophet of the Lord.

Imagine that! We can avoid being prevailed against by the gates of hell by listening to and following the counsel of a mortal man as long as he is ordained of God, sustained by the saints, and walking in holiness before God.

Now then, there has been a lot of chatter on the Internet of late about how Joseph Smith was only called to translate the Book of Mormon and that his “thus sayeth the Lord” revelations are false.

Those making that claim are false teachers.

There has been a lot of chatter on the Internet stating that we don’t need a main prophet to lead us and that we should all just be our own prophet and have a direct relationship with the Lord.

That is a false doctrine.

They reject the “strongman” doctrine that shows up countless times in prophecy stating that one mighty and strong, like unto Moses, will lead the saints of the church in giving doctrine and commandments from the mouth of God and ultimately, it will be one who is mighty and strong that will lead the saints out of bondage into Zion.

Those making the claim, that we don’t need a main prophet to lead us are false teachers.

They either don’t study the scriptures or they don’t understand them, or they simply don’t believe the infallible word of God.

The belief that we should each just get our own revelation and do our own thing is contrary to the pattern set in the New Testament and 3 Nephi. The belief that somehow, mystically, everyone will receive the exact same revelations with regard to how Zion will be achieved, and Zion will mystically emerge, is ridiculous. God has never worked that way in the past and his prophecies about the future establishment of Zion do not depart from the doctrinal and prophetic pattern already given.

There is now a person claiming to be a prophet that has offered up the following “thus sayeth the Lord” declaration from the Lord:

“Tell them, that they need not rely on any man, for if they do, the gates of hell will swallow them whole, leaving the Zion that could have come, desolate and bare.”

That supposed pronouncement from the Lord was followed by the following commentary:

” I mean I have to laugh, haven’t we all had enough of organized religion? Haven’t we all had enough of some leader mistakenly thinking we need them? “

While section 21 informs us that the only way for the church to avoid being swallowed up by the gates of hell is to follow the designated man that God has called as the president and prophet of the church, the revelation quoted above appears to be saying just the exact opposite.

Remember what I said about being able to spot a false revelation ifyou treasure up the word of God?

Bingo.

The above revelation and associated commentary appears to me to be 100% contrary to what the Lord says in section 21, 43, 101,103, 107 and many other passages of scripture. Indeed it mocks the words, protocol  and prophecies of God to the church. It is easy to tell that this fellow has been initiated by the same false spirit that his spiritual mentor has been initiate with.

 

The exact same doctrine about the gates of hell and the importance of following God mortal leader is found in the New Testament regarding Peter. Just Google gates of hell.

The scriptures give two very strict admonitions for those desiring to avoid being deceived by the craftiness of men and devils.

The first is to “treasure up the word of God

“And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived” JST 1:37

Another is to take the Holy Ghost as your guide

“And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins.

 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day.”

One of the great secrets pertaining to the two passages above is that it is impossible to take the Holy Spirit as ones guide and avoid being deceived, if one has not studied to be approved of God and treasured up the Word of God.

You don’t get the Holy Ghost first and then study God’s word later. You don’t get the Holy Ghost while in a state of confusion and ignorance and then bypass studying the scriptures altogether.

You first study God’s word so that you can stand justified before the Lord and stand approved. Then you will be worthy of getting the endowment of the Holy Ghost.

I simply don’t believe you can take a short cut and bypass studying the scriptures to show yourself approved of God if you are literate and have the financial means to acquire a set of holy scriptures.

IMO, people who refuse to take the scriptures seriously and study them profusely, WILL ALWAYS BE DECEIVED AND WILL NEVER BE GIVEN THE ENDOWMENT OF THE HOLY GHOST AS THEIR GUIDE. And yet many of them become led by lying spirits and begin uttering prophetic statements that contradict Gods word.

They cannot become prophets with a small “p” being able to receive true inspiration for themselves and being able and willing to follow THE Prophet, because they have neglected to nourish themselves with the word of God as we have been commanded to do. (See Jacob 5 & 6)

The doctrine of following the prophet has gotten a lot of bad press in the alternative LDS blogging world recently and justly so, but not because it is a false doctrine. When a true prophet is on the earth, it is a true and essential doctrine.

The problem takes place when a true Prophet is not on the earth and people use the doctrine to justify following pretenders who are not Prophets that have been ordained by God HIMSELF.

Anyone desiring to avoid being deceived needs to immerse themselves in the word of God while bathed  in the spirit of God. By so doing, they render themselves quite able to easily spot a false revelation from a false prophet and false teachings from false teachers. By their fruits ye shall know them.

I have pasted section 21 below:

BEHOLD, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ,

2  Being inspired of the Holy Ghost to lay the foundation thereof, and to build it up unto the most holy faith.

3  Which church was organized and established in the year of your Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April.

4  Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

5  For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

6  For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.

7  For thus saith the Lord God: Him have I inspired to move the cause of Zion in mighty power for good, and his diligence I know, and his prayers I have heard.

8  Yea, his weeping for Zion I have seen, and I will cause that he shall mourn for her no longer; for his days of rejoicing are come unto the remission of his sins, and the manifestations of my blessings upon his works.

9  For, behold, I will bless all those who labor in my vineyard with a mighty blessing, and they shall believe on his words, which are given him through me by the Comforter, which manifesteth that Jesus was crucified by sinful men for the sins of the world, yea, for the remission of sins unto the contrite heart.

10  Wherefore it behooveth me that he should be ordained by you, Oliver Cowdery mine apostle;

11  This being an ordinance unto you, that you are an elder under his hand, he being the first unto you, that you might be an elder unto this church of Christ, bearing my name—

12  And the first preacher of this church unto the church, and before the world, yea, before the Gentiles; yea, and thus saith the Lord God, lo, lo!  to the Jews also.  Amen.

 


Notable Emails #14 “Baptism for the dead is illogical and pretty much impossible to ever accomplish”

April 14, 2015

I got this email a few weeks ago from a reader of this blog-

 

What do you think of this?

Baptism for the dead is illogical and pretty much impossible to ever accomplish. There is no mention of this being done in the BOM or by the people in the city of Enoch. It was first started in 1840 after the church went back into apostasy and had had its name changed twice. It was started after the church had failed to live higher laws.

According to this statistical guess the NUMBER of people WHO HAVE EVER BEEN BORN is 107,602,707,791.

LDS church has about 5 million temple worthy members who can perform baptisms for the dead. (I am sure outside of the youth very few are done by adults.)

How many baptisms would each of these members have to perform for every human born so far to receive this ordinance?21,520 assuming all names were available(absolutely impossible without huge amounts of direct revelation, which isn’t currently happening).

If every member performed 10 baptisms for the dead each time they went how many trips would it take? 2,152 trips. If each member took 1 trip per month how many years would it take to baptize their quota? 179 years. 1 trip each week would take 45years.

This isn’t even close to happening nor is it even probable of it ever happening.

It makes far more sense for each person who so desires to get baptized for themselves, either in this life or in the next, after they are resurrected and receive a body again, if they weren’t baptized here. That seems perfectly reasonable. Getting baptized for other people really doesn’t make much sense to me logistically or founded in scriptural. I think baptisms for the dead are now just used to hook kids onto the temple and to get them believing in it and the rites done there.

I have heard the church is pretty much out of names and is just doing the same ones over to keep up attendance. If that is true or even partly true what a fraud that would be.

My response

Hi G

You said:

 
“I have heard the church is pretty much out of names and is just doing the same ones over to keep up attendance. If that is true or even partly true what a fraud that would be.”

Yes I have heard the same thing and the thought of having people re-baptize the same people over and over again just to keep them busy and faithful really is a huge fraud.
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Of course, if one accepts the proposition that the church was rejected back in Nauvoo, then ALL ordinance work of any kind is basically a fraud because if the Lord rejects us as a church, he is basically stating that the keys of the church, ie, keys of salvation, ie, keys by which valid ordinances of salvation can be performed, have been revoked.
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I have struggled with this issue of BfD over the years. On the one hand, I feel the spirit bearing witness to me that section 124 is true… all of it.
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 There is too much profundity in it on so many different levels…. the obscure reference to the “offering”, the declaration that the fulness had been lost, the warning/prophecy that the church would be rejected, the observation that if not faithful, the saints would have to flee Nauvoo, the declaration that anything more or less than what had been revealed in the publicly accepted revelations up to that point in time cometh of evil, which makes it game, set, and match against the abomination of the spiritual wife doctrine, etc., etc., etc.
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So, if I accept the veracity of 124, which I do, then I have to accept the fact that there is something to the concept of baptisms for the dead… HOWEVER, I am open to the fact that they represent something quite different than what the modern corporate church teaches and possibly even different than how Joseph himself was processing the information back at that time when his eyes were being covered relative to various issues.
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It is obvious that the saints were at a crossing point where they would either repent and reform and usher in the fulness of times, which would unleash things that had never been revealed before, or they would be completely overcome by Satan. Therefore, I can see how there could very possibly be something to the concept that we just don’t understand.
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I have been entertaining several possible theories on the matter. One has to do with the declaration in 88: 96-99 about how after the elect are quickened and raptured up, the terrestrial saints of the second harvest must be “judged according to men in the flesh
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These are folks who apparently must be judged according to fleshly requirements, yet were are not informed if they are in the flesh at that point or of they are in spirit form. If they are in spirit form, and still must be judged according to fleshly gospel requirements, then I can see how proxy work, conditioned upon their agency to accept the gospel, would be a valid concept.
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Another theory I have been entertaining is that baptisms for the dead might have something to do with a literal resurrection ritual of some kind to bring forth the dead from the other side. . 1 Cor 15:29 is a very obscure and controversial passage, however, it is arguably linking BfD directly to the RESURRECTION.
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So… I cannot bring myself to reject the concept as revealed in section 124, I can only shake my head and roll my eyes at how the modern corporate church has taken a vague concept and reinvented it into part of an amazing strategy to keep the sheeple doing busy work and keep them faithful to the corporation, much the same way that they use the masonic temple endowment to bind people over to a very strange form of idolatry.
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What are your thoughts?
What have you concluded thus far?
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Before he could reply I sent another email
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One other observation.
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The way I read the following passages in section 124, the saints were NEVER commissioned to start doing baptisms for the dead prior to the completion of the Nauvoo House. The way I interpret the following verses, the Lord states that during times of cumulative prosperity, which they were clearly living in based on the sheer number of members of the church,  baptisms for the dead are only authorized to be performed inside a house specifically dedicated for that purpose.
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The Lord states three different times in the following passages that “baptisms for the dead” are only allowed in a house built and dedicated for that purpose. Furthermore, doing that kind of ordinance work is predicated on having the fulness of the priesthood that had been lost to that generation:
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28  For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood.
29  For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead
30  For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.
31  But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms [referring to baptisms for new converts and rebaptisms for healings and re-commitments] shall be acceptable unto me.
32  But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.
33  For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;
34  For therein are the keys of the holy priesthood ordained, that you may receive honor and glory.
35  And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord.
36  For it is ordained that in Zion, and in her stakes, and in Jerusalem, those places which I have appointed for refuge, shall be the places for your baptisms for your dead.
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As I read the above passages, the Lord was putting the saints on probation and allowing the saints to continue doing traditional baptisms for the living. During this probation period they needed to have the fulness of the priesthood which had been lost to them,  restored to them. The restoring of the fulness was contingent upon building the house.
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The fulness had been granted at the Morley Farm, without the need for a dedicated house, because the church was poor and in its infancy with only a few hundred newly ordain priesthood holders. Things had changed a decade later in Nauvoo. Cumulatively the church had the potential resources of thousands of members.
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The most problematic verse to my interpretation appears to be verse 35 which seems to be saying that the scattered saints could to bfd until the sufficient time had come and gone, but I don’t think that is what it is saying. It is simply saying that after the sufficient time is exhausted, the scattered saints had to come to the appointed places, such as stakes like Nauvoo and Jerusalem (Kirtland).
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After those passages quoted above, the Lord reiterates AGAIN that their washings, including the ordinance of baptisms for the dead, are only acceptable to the Lord in a house that is built to his name.
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37  And again, verily I say unto you, how shall your washings be acceptable unto me, except ye perform them in a house which you have built to my name?
38  For, for this cause I commanded Moses that he should build a tabernacle, that they should bear it with them in the wilderness, and to build a house in the land of promise, that those ordinances might be revealed which had been hid from before the world was.
39  Therefore, verily I say unto you, that your anointings, and your washings, and your baptisms for the dead, and your solemn assemblies, and your memorials for your sacrifices by the sons of Levi, and for your oracles in your most holy places wherein you receive conversations, and your statutes and judgments, for the beginning of the revelations and foundation of Zion, and for the glory, honor, and endowment of all her municipals, are ordained by the ordinance of my holy house, which my people are always commanded to build unto my holy name.
40  And verily I say unto you, let this house be built unto my name, that I may reveal mine ordinances therein unto my people;
41  For I deign to reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times.
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I would further suggest that the ordinance of baptisms for the dead had not fully been revealed and would not be revealed until after the house had been built and the fulness of priesthood restored
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 This was his response
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“Watcher,I have been confused by this for quite some time now since I rejected the temple ordinances. The very first time I went to a temple was days before I was to enter the MTC at the age of 22. I was shocked and appalled by the whole process and found it very unsettling, disturbing, ridiculous and creepy.
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I literally felt like somebody was laughing at me behind the scenes the whole time and that it was all a joke. Watching my dear mother participating in the rites next to me was very surreal. But I rationalized that I was out of touch somehow and it would all be made clearer to me at a later time.
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That time never came and I never once had a spiritual experience in a temple. When I completed my mission I went to the Seoul temple the day before I was to return home. I spent the night in the temple there in a little dorm room and again I had a really creepy unsettling feeling about being alone(as far as I knew) in the temple. Wasn’t a pleasant night although it should have been.
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The most powerful spiritual experience I had ever had in my life took place about 4 months previously and I felt like I was leaving my mission on a spiritual high yet a night in the temple really creeped me out.
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I have asked many people what great truths they learned in the temples and nobody has ever given me anything substantive. Even my mother who has been a faithful temple goer/worker most of her life.
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Anyway back to BFD. If the other ordinances are wrong it seems to me the current proxy baptism process done in the temple should be also. Hard to believe God would have false rituals done right next to true ones.
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As I stated in my email the logistics of the whole thing also seem highly improbable and I can’t imagine anyone consenting to be baptized over and over hundreds of times a day, for weeks on end during the millennium, which seems to be a popular LDS belief.. IF proxy baptisms are necessary for salvation then there will be billions of spirits waiting for a very long time before theirs comes up. I’m sure God can come up with a better system.
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I have wondered about some of the verses you cited and what they really mean. I honestly don’t have any good theories about what those references could be in regard to. Some of yours could be right. Little children don’t need baptism and billions of them have attained eternal life simply by dying young. Don’t see why baptism has to be a physical process that needs to be done only by flesh or while in the flesh. I think we all have the power in some way or another to work out our own salvation without anybody but Jesus doing anything else for us at all. Being dependent on other men or women for ones Eternal salvation seems destined to almost guarantee disappointment.
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However, I certainly recognize my own limitations when it comes to thinking through and trying to understand the ways and works of God so I am sure there are lots of things I can’t comprehend or fathom and or find illogical, so my failings don’t limit God in an way.
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Baptism for the dead as practiced by LDS people seems like a total waste of time and completely futile in making a dent in the vast number of spirits who “need” it to gain salvation. Surely God can come up with something better. I have faith that He has.
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BFD is the gateway drug used to get young, impressionable minds hooked on the temple and its satanic rituals and false doctrines.
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p.s. Thanks for all the great posts you have put out for so many of us to think about. I never did key word searches until I started reading your blogs and so many things have opened up for me because of them. Would love to hang out with you and Mrs. watcher some time but as I live in Fl and you seem to live around Utah that probably won’t happen.”
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 I can appreciate why this good brother has questions about the doctrine of Baptisms for the Dead.
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While I was reading section 128 I noticed three requisites in order for baptisms for the dead to be performed legitimately and I think it substantiates some of my previous suppositions:
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1- Baptisms for the dead must be performed during the dispensation of the fulness of times: “for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times.” (verse 18)
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2- Baptisms for the Dead must be performed under ground level: “Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another” verse 13
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3- The fulness of the priesthood that had been lost, was required to perform baptisms for the dead. This is why Baptisms for the dead were not commanded to be performed at the time of the Kirtland temple, the fulness of the priesthood had been lost. ” For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood.
29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—
30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable
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BTW

Here is an excerpt from a post I did on the succession crisis in which I speculate that Hyrum Smith, during his brief period of revelatory leadership as the sole prophet of the church, hinted that the ordinance of baptisms for the dead is expressly for resurrecting the dead:

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Did Hyrum have the spirit of Prophesy?

Did the spirit of prophecy reside in Hyrum Smith?

Did he ever interpret scripture for the church, give them commandments and say

thus sayeth the Lord?

I believe he did.

The following prophetic counsel to the saints is one of my favorite quotes from Hyrum Smith. It was published on November 19th 1841 in the Sangamo Journal (which was quoting from the “Times and Seasons).

The following admonishing to the saints from the prophet Hyrum Smith came less than one year after he was called by God to be a prophet seer and revelator to the church in concert with his brother Joseph-

“All the saints that dwell in that land [Kirtland] are commanded to come away, for this is, ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ therefore pay out no monies nor properties for houses, nor lands, in that country, for if you do, you will lose them; for the time shall come that you shall not possess them in peace; but shall be scourged with a sore scourge; yet your children may possess them; but not until many years shall pass away; and; as to the organization of that branch of the church, it is not according to the spirit and will of God:

Hyrum is authoritatively paraphrasing elements of section 124 and also expanding upon a prophetic sermon previously given by Joseph Smith. ( See Building the Zion of the Lord given on July 19, 1840)

Hyrum was informing the saints in Kirtland and other places that the Lord wants them to come to Nauvoo and not to settle in Kirtland and other places.

Hyrum continues in his admonition and warns the saints that they have neglected the house of the Lord and the baptismal font.

Interestingly, he confirms that the dispensation of the fullness of times HAS NOT BEEN USHERED IN!

He informs them that the key of knowledge and the revealing of the mysteries of God necessary to unfold the dispensation of the fullness of times will not be turned until the temple and baptismal font have been finished!

“…and as to the designs of the leading members of that branch relative to the printing press, and the ordaining of Elders, and sending out Elders to beg for the poor, are not according to the will of God; and in these things they shall not prosper, for they have neglected the House of the Lord, the Baptismal Font, in this place, wherein their dead may be redeemed, and the key of knowledge that unfolds the dispensation of the fullness of times may be turned, and the mysteries of God be unfolded, upon which their salvation and the salvation of the world, and the redemption of their dead depends, for ‘Thus saith the Lord,’ ‘there shall not be a general assembly for a general conference assembled together until the House of the Lord shall be finished, and the Baptismal Font, and if we are not diligent the church shall be rejected, and their dead also,’ ‘saith the Lord,’ therefore, dear Brother, any proceedings otherwise than to put forth their hands with their might to do this work, is not according to the will of God, and shall not prosper; therefore, tarry not in any place whatever but come forth unto this place from all the world, until it is filled up and polished, and sanctified according to my word…”

As you can see, Hyrum is chastising the saints which is what true prophets do when the church is not obeying the commandments of God.

He is identifying things they shouldn’t be doing and reiterating the warning in section 124 that the saints will be rejected as a church with their dead if they fail to finish the temple and the baptismal font.

Hyrum, like most prophets, is not interested in tickling the ears of the saints or worrying about being liked. His words are stern. His warning is ominous.

Then Hyrum Smith reveals a grand secret that had possibly never been revealed to the Nauvoo Saints before.

He prophetically notifies them that Nauvoo, (which had been designated as the cornerstone of Zion) is the “hiding place” where the Lord will hide his elect from the “indignation” which shall punish the wicked.

It becomes obvious that Hyrum is revealing Nauvoo as the “chambers” mentioned in Isaiah 26.

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.”

Hyrum is warning the saints that Kirtland was not to be righteously inhabited again by the saints until after the great cleansing.

Finally, Hyrum ends with these remarks-

“…saith the Lord, come ye forth from the ends of the earth, that I may hide you from mine indignation that shall scourge the wicked, and then I will send forth and build up Kirtland, and it shall be polished and refined according to my word; therefore, your doings and your organizations, and designs in printing, or any of your councils, are not of me, saith the Lord, even so, Amen
HYRUM SMITH,

Again, compare the prophetic warning of Hyrum Smith above to the prophecy in Isaiah 26

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Un-be-freakin-lieveable!

The ordinance of baptism for the dead in section 124 interrelates to the prophetic utterances of Isaiah who proclaimed that “dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise“.

It appears that the prophet Hyrum Smith was revealing that the ordinance of baptisms for the dead is not just an ordinance that enables those who missed out on the opportunity of the gospel during probation… it appears that the ordinance is an integral part of the ordinance of resurrecting or quickening people from the dead!

We learn from Hyrum that Isaiah was prophetically looking forward at Nauvoo and the temple and baptisms for the dead.


Chapter 23 “I Am that I Am

April 3, 2015

Here is a portion of an unfinished draft of chapter 23 “I AM THAT I AM”, in my soon to be released book

“…..In other passages, we learn that the Father is Christ’s God.

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”[1]

 

When Christ is separated from the Father, it appears that God can infuse his fulness into Christ or withdraw his spirit from Christ, depending on the work that needs to be performed. During His earthly ministry he temporarily has the fulness of the Father taken away from him so that he can “condescend” and provide the work of intercession and atonement.

During His earthly ministry he has a differing will than the father which must be brougt into subjecting to the will of the Father. It is through the act of condescension followed by submission and subjecting himself to the will of the Father that He is able to atone, redeem and return back into the bosom of God.

When he returns to God He is restored to the fulness of the Fathers glory that he enjoyed in the Bosom of God before He was sent forth.   Christ declared during his early ministry that he had enjoyed the glory of the Father prior to being sent forth, and that He would once again be restored to the Fathers glory when he returns.

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”[2]

  Clearly, the Father had to withdraw the fulness of himself (his glory) in order for Christ to fulfill his mission.   “why has thou forsaken me..”

Things that Differentiate the Father from the Son

  Having just completed a rather extensive review of what God has told us about His character, perfections and attributes, as well as those of His Son let us review how they are differentiated from each other. The scriptures inform us that when Christ is acting in the fulness of the Father that he has been endowed with, He has all of the same attributes as the father, through inheritance. When He dwells within the Father there is no difference because He has received the fulness and actually dwells in the Father’s personage of spirit while the Father dwells within the Son’s personage of tabernacle.

On the other hand, when the Father sent His Son forth, to redeem mankind, the mission required that a portion of God’s power and glory be withheld from him so that a “condescension” could take place, and his intercessory role could be accomplished in drawing all men to God. Under these circumstances, he manifests characteristics that differentiate himself from the Father. When speaking of Christ’s creation and some of his attributes when he is sent forth from the bosom of the Father, the following formed differentiations seem to apply

1- God has always existed in his present state from eternity to eternity, from everlasting to everlasting, Christ is a created or organized being who was taken from the Bosom of God in an unorganized state and formed, or created by the Father, into the image of the Father

2- God has always been the primary source of power and glory in all creation. He has never received power and glory from another God or source of any kind. There has never been another God before the Father. Christ and all other created beings derive their power and glory from the Father

3- The Father is THE Only Self Existing – Sovereign – Omnipotent – Supreme Power in all creation. Christ , in his created state, is not self existent; He derives his power and glory from the Father. He is eternally dependent on the Father to get his glory and power from the Father. He is an extension of the Father.  

4- The Father is a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son is a personage of tabernacle, created in the image of the Father, by the Father  

Creating God after our Own Image

Section One of the D&C foretold that that after the Saints stray from the true ordinances and break the everlasting covenant, they begin to create a god after their own image:

“For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant; They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.”[3]

This is exactly what happened shortly after the fulness of the gospel was rejected by the Saints of the restored church. Having now extensively reviewed what the scriptures tell us about the nature and character of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, as well as what was originally taught during the early history of the restoration, we will now review how the church departed from those basic Biblical teachings about the nature and character of God.

The Famous sermon in which Joseph contradicted the foundational teachings regarding the true nature and character of God is referred to as the King Follett Sermon. There were several accounts of the sermon that can all be viewed side by side[4]. It is one of the best documented sermons given by Joseph Smith.

King Follett was a person who had died and it was common back in those times to preach a sermon in conjunction with saying some words about the deceased. The historical setting under which Joseph taught the concepts found in the King Follett Sermon is an interesting one. The sermon took place on April 7 1844 just months before the martyrdom.

The spirit of the Lord had been withdrawing from Joseph for quite some time because of the intercessory atonement offering that he had made for the Saints, and he had been showing signs of stress, depression, paranoia, and erratic behavior. One year earlier, on July 16 1843 Joseph had announced that he would no longer prophesy for the church in concert with Hyrum. He reminded the Saints that Hyrum held the office of “prophet” to the church.

According to the testimony of Lyman Wight, the Church had been rejected by the Lord with their dead in about September or October of 1841 when Joseph announced that Baptisms for the dead would no longer by accepted by the Lord until the temple was finished. He also ominously declared that no more general conferences of the church would be held until that time.

“There shall be no more baptisms for the dead, until the ordinance can be attended to in the font of the Lord’s House; and the church shall not hold another general conference, until they can meet in said house. For thus saith the Lord!”[5]

Because of these considerations it is important to note that none of the gatherings where sermons were given after 1841 could be considered official “general conferences” of the church. Furthermore, even though Joseph continued to speak and teach, he technically was not doing so as one of the prophets and presidents of the Church after June 16 1843. Again, Joseph was under a lot of pressure at this time and was showing erratic behavior. Since he had not produced a revelation in quite some time, he was still being accused by some of the Saints of being a fallen prophet. In May of 1844 he had acknowledges:

“my apostate enemies say that I have been a true prophet–& I had rather be a fallen true prophet, than a false prophet”

By acknowledging that he would no longer prophesy for the church and removing himself from the First Presidency, he was making Hyrum the sole president of the Church and he was fulfilling the succession prophecy in Section 43 which foretold that if Joseph continued to abide in the Lord, he would not be replace as the prophet until he was “taken”, otherwise, his replacement would be called by the Lord through Joseph.

Adding to the pressure he was feeling, Sidney Rigdon had emerged from a five year silence to address the Saints on the previous day before the King Follett Sermon.. That previous day, when Sidney was returning from his five years of silence,  Joseph mad a few brief remarks about being accused of being a false prophet. He was trying to calm the people’s fears about his lack of revelatory fruits. At that conference Joseph was somewhat defensive about being accused as a fallen prophet. In an effort to alleviate people’s fears he proclaimed:

“I feel in closer communion, and better standing with God than ever I felt before in my life..”

Following Joseph’s opening remarks in the April 6, 1844 sermon, Sidney Rigdon arose and gave the audience a tremendous thrill as he delivered one of his vintage pontifications detailing the early history of the Church. His opening remarks are as follows:

“Elder Sidney Rigdon then rose and said, It is with no ordinary degree of satisfaction, I enjoy this privilege this morning; want of health, and other circumstances have kept me in silence for nearly the last five years.

It can hardly be expected, that when the violence of sickness having used its influence, and the seeds of disease have so long preyed upon me, that I can rise before this congregation.

 I am now come forth from a bed of sickness, and have enough of strength left to appear here for the first time in my true character. I have not come before a conference for the last five years in my true character.

I shall consider this important privilege sacred in my family history, during life. I hardly promise myself lungs to make this congregation hear me, I shall do the best I can, and the greatest can do no more. — The circumstances by which we are now surrounded points out the principles of my discourse — the history of this church which I have known from its infancy: my text is, “Behold the church of God of the last days.”[6]

There is reason to believe that the sermon was enthusiastically received by the saints and reminiscent of Sidney’s glory days in Kirtland when he would light the audience on fire with his amazing oratory skills. The emergence of Sidney Rigdon into the limelight must have been a bitter-sweet experience for Joseph who was experiencing a dark time and was under attack for his lack of revelatory fruits. Joseph and Sidney’s relationship had been pretty rocky during those last several years in Nauvoo and it may be that between Joseph’s accusers calling him a fallen prophet and Sidney new popularity, that there was a little insecurity and jealousy. Joseph was never considered to be the eloquent, articulate and well educated orator that Sidney was, and the following statement from Joseph in the early part of his King Follett discourse may have been an  innuendo aimed at Rigdon:

“I do not calculate to please your ears with superfluity of words or oratory, or with much learning; but I calculate to edify you with the simple truths from heaven.”

According to the version of the discourse that was recorded in the Times and Seasons, Joseph made the following remarks, referencing the fact that people had been calling him a false teacher and false prophet:

” The apostle says this is eternal life, to know God and Jesus Christ, whom he has sent. If any man enquire what kind of a being is God, if he will search diligently his own heart, if the declaration of the apostle by true, he will realize that he has not eternal life, there can be eternal life on no other principle.

 My first object is, to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and if I should be the man to comprehend God, and explain or convey the principles to your hearts so that the spirit seals it upon you, let every man and woman henceforth put their hand on their mouth and never say anything against the man of God again; but if I fail, it becomes my duty to renounce all my pretensions to revelations, inspirations, &c.”

As you can see, Joseph was out to prove that he was still a true prophet by proving that he could still reveal secrets from heaven about the Living God. This was to be the great sermon that would silence his critics that were calling him a false or fallen prophet.

“If any man is authorized to take away my life, who says I am a false teacher: then upon the same principle am I authorized to take away the life of every false teacher, and where would be the end of blood, There is not a man but would breathe out an anathema, if they knew I was a false prophet; and some would feel authorized to take away my life.”

Clearly, there had been accusations about Joseph’s current station with the Lord. Rumors about Joseph’s involvement in polygamy, while making public denials were now calling Joseph’s credibility into question. Was he a false teacher? Possibly there had been threats made against Joseph’s life and he was out to pacify the masses in Nauvoo.

“If I show verily, that I have the truth of God, and show that ninety-nine out of a hundred are false teachers, while they pretend to hold the keys of God, and to kill them because they are false teachers, it would deluge the whole world with blood”

Joseph was obviously feeling threatened by some of the angry Saints who were accusing him of being a false teacher. Although he is not specifically bringing up the controversial teaching of polygamy in this discourse, one has to wonder if that is the central issue that he was being accused of being a false teacher over.

Hyrum had previously presented the revelation on polygamy to the high council, at the request of Joseph, warning them that Joseph had proclaimed it to be true, and warning them that they would be damned if they did not accept it Hyrum was hoping for a unanimous acceptance of it, but three council member rejected it outright on the spot throwing a wrench in the works.

It is really quite refreshing to realize that not all of the leaders back in Nauvoo were into prophet worship. Although Hyrum would later try to back-peddle and claim that he had only been speaking about how the principle had been practiced anciently, the cat was now out of the bag.

The High Council had previously excommunicated several people for practicing polygmamy that had attributed the teaching to Joseph. Naturally, their testimonies had been rejected. It was now apparent to the high council that some of the testimonies of the excommunicated people had been true!

Nauvoo was now abuzz with rumors about Joseph’s doctrinal duplicity and lack of integrity with regard to what he taught in public and what he practiced in private.

This sermon appears to have been Joseph’s last attempt to WOW the masses and reestablished his credibility and restore the reverence that the saints had previously had for God’s anointed servant:

“I want you all to know God, to be familiar with him, and if I can bring you to him, all persecutions against me will cease; you will know that I am his servant, for I speak as one having authority–“

This was his attempt at vindication be claiming to be the link to God! Although he could not present his hearers with a new, “thus sayeth the Lord”  revelation, he could prove that he was still in good standing with the Lord and that he speaks with authority by revealing truths about God that had been previously hidden!

“What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to tell you the designs of God to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man.”

What sort of being was God in the beginning?

“First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heavens, is a man like unto one of yourselves, that is the great secret.”

This is where Joseph looses me and other Biblical Christians, because we believe the Bible and we know that God the Father is not a changeable God and He did not have a beginning and He did not become God. Sadly, the great secret that Joseph was revealing was 100% contrary to the nature and character of the Biblical God that had been revealed during the revelatory years of the restoration!

“If the vail was rent to-day, and the great God, who holds this world in its orbit, and upholds all things by his power; if you were to see him to-day, you would see him in all the person, image and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God; Adam received instruction, walked talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.”

This sweeping declaration is rather vague in that Joseph does not appear to be specifying if he is referencing the Father or the Son, or if he is referring to the Father clothed in the tabernacle of the Son. Nevertheless, his reference to the “great God” would indicate that he is probably speaking about the Father, who was walking with and speaking with Adam in the Garden. That would be consistent with the narrative in the Book of Moses. It was God the Father walking and talking with Moses in the Garden. Joseph then makes the following declaration:

“I am going to tell you how God came to be God”

Wrong! God has always been God from all eternity to all eternity, everlasting to everlasting. Joseph’s next claim, according to The Times and Seasons version of the sermon next says this:

“We have imagined that God was God from all eternity.”

Of course the innuendo, according to this version of the discourse, was that we have imagined wrong, in imaging that God was from all eternity.

Three other independent dairy accounts provide greater detail and clarity. They record Joseph as “refuting” the idea that God was God from all eternity. Here is one of them:

“We suppose that God was God from eternity. I will refute that Idea, or I will do away or take away the veil so you may see. It is the first principle to know that we may converse with him and that he once was a man like us, and the Father was once on an earth like us”

Here is another entry:

“..Not God from all Eternity.”

Here is the 3rd entry

refute the Idea that God was God from all eternity” 

It is almost incomprehensible that Joseph is refuting the doctrine that God has been an unchangeable God from all eternity! Those are the very words contained in the Book of Mormon and the D&C that he was instrumental in bringing forth! Notice the following passage from the Book of Mormon, the book that Joseph translated by the gift and power of God:

“For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.”[7]

Even the Son, because he has received the fulness of the Father, and because the Father dwells within him, is also from all eternity. Notice the testimony of the Book of Mormon which Joseph translated by the gift and power of God, and declared to be the more correct Book:

“For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men.

And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people.

And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.”[8]

The Savior makes the same claim in modern revelation:

“HEARKEN and listen to the voice of him who is from all eternity to all eternity, the Great I AM, even Jesus Christ—

The light and the life of the world; a light which shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not”[9]

Joseph then ramped things up a bit with the following declaration:

“God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.”

That claim is categorically opposed to the teachings in the four standard works that God had endorsed in section 124, in 1841. Joseph then proceeds to give a summary about how there is an endless chain of Gods who have all dwelt on an earth and atoned for the inhabitants of other worlds just a Jesus did for this world.

“I wish I had the trump of an arch angel, I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever; what did Jesus say? (mark it elder Rigdon;) Jesus said, as the Father hat power in himself, even so hath the Son power; to do what? why what the Father did, that answer is obvious; in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus what are you going to do? To lay down my life, as my Father did, and take it up again.—- If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible; the scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it. Here then is eternal life, to know the only wise and true God.

You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves; to be kings and priests to God the same as all Gods have done; by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as doth those who sit enthroned in everlasting power”

While the diatribe was obviously a passionate one, it was irrational in light of what had already been revealed. It completely contradicts the Bible and the revealed word of God that Joseph brought forth. Interestingly, Joseph had published the following admonition in the Times and Seasons just days before this discourse:

“If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, set him down as an imposter. ” (Times & Seasons  April 1, 1844)

The reason that Joseph said “mark it elder Rigdon” when claiming to prove it by the bible is because Sidney Rigdon is the one who had been commissioned by the Lord to prove the revelations from Joseph Smith from the Bible. Sidney who had been silent for the past five years had just recently re-emerged and was now back in the lime-light.

Joseph was acknowledging Sidney’s rightful calling to test new revelation against the accepted word of God in the standard works. Rigdon must have been shocked and horrified at what he was hearing. The doctrine being espoused was blatantly contradicting scripture, it is problematic at many levels. According to a multiplicity of scriptural passages, Christ created all worlds and atoned for all of those worlds.

His atonement was infinite and eternal. There is no need for countless separate Saviors to create, people, and atone for each world. God the Father had no beginning and will have no end. He created the Son in the beginning, for the express purpose of creating all things. There is no place in that sequence for an infinite line of Saviors and Gods.

It appears to me that Joseph was not only teaching false doctrine, he was arguably committing blasphemy in his attempt to prove to the Nauvoo Saints that he is not a false teacher or a false prophet.

blas•phe•my ˈblasfəmē/ noun

  1. the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

Brigham Young would embrace this new theology while people like Rigdon, Marks and Law would be repulsed by it. Interestingly, the majority of seasoned members of the church from the Kirtland era chose not to follow Brigham Young and the apostles that followed him, while the vast majority of doctrinally illiterate converts from England, from the House of Israel, chose to follow Brigham Young and the twelve to Utah. William Law would make the following statement in the Nauvoo Expositor;

“and inasmuch as they have introduced false and damnable doctrines into the church, such as a plurality of Gods above the God of this universe, and his liability to fall with all his creations..”[10]

Conversely, the more recent, doctrinally naive converts from Canada and England loved what they heard. The sermon thrilled many of the city’s Mormons.

“Joseph Fielding, one of the Prophet’s listeners, said, ‘Any one that could not see in him the Spirit of inspiration of God must be dark, they might have known that he was not a fallen Prophet even if they thought he was fallen’.”

Those that followed Brigham would get more false doctrine fed to them. Brigham would eventually reject the literal interpretation of the creation story, calling it a fairy tale, deny the virgin birth accounts in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, and teach the Adam God Doctrine. He would also canonize a section of scripture that completely contradicts what Lectures on Faith and the scriptures teach:

“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of spirit, were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us”[11]

As you can see, between the King Follett Discourse and the heretical teachings of Brigham Young, the foundational truths about the nature and character of God would be forgotten among the saints, leaving them without protection from further deception.

In closing out this chapter, it may be appropriate to remind the reader of two passages of scriptures that offer a recurring theme throughout this book. The first is the inspired version of Isaiah 29:10 which stands as a reminder that it was not Joseph’s fault that he taught the false doctrine about God. It was because of the iniquity of latter day Israel, he was simply acting out the sins of apostate latter day Israel:

“For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep.  For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets; and your rulers, and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity.”

The Lord poured out the spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the prophets and seers of the restoration because the Saints refused to listen to them and obey the law of the gospel. Whether it is Joseph’s ill fated and failed banking venture in Kirtland, his silent condoning of the  Danites, in Far West, or his involvement in polygamy and masonry in Nauvoo, he and the rest of the first laborers of the last kingdom were largely victims of the latter day saint rejection of the fulness back in the early Kirtland years. The second passage we need to review for added context to this whole can of worms is as follows:

“And thus, if the people of this generation harden not their hearts, I will work a reformation among them, and I will put down all lyings, and deceivings, and priestcrafts, and envyings, and strifes, and idolatries, and sorceries, and all manner of iniquities, and I will establish my church, like unto the church which was taught by my disciples in the days of old.

And now if this generation do harden their hearts against my word, behold I will deliver them up unto Satan, for he reigneth and hath power at this time, for he hath got great hold upon the hearts of the people of this generation”[12]

Chapter 23
I am that I am
The Importance of Understanding the True Nature of God

During the early period of Joseph Smith’s ministry leading up to and including the introduction of Lectures on Faith as the “doctrine” part of the “Doctrine and Covenants” in 1835, everything that was taught about the nature and character of God in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants and the sermons of Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon, was 100% consistent with what is taught in the Bible. Much of those teachings about God from Joseph and Sidney’s teachings was taken directly from the Bible. Most of the content in Lectures on Faith is backed by references in the Bible.

The early part of the LDS restoration truly was about restoring Biblical Christianity. According to Lectures on Faith, it is impossible for a person to exercise faith in God unto salvation, unless they have a correct idea of the true character, perfections and attributes of God:

“Let us here observe, that three things are necessary, in order that any rational and intelligent being may exercise faith in God unto life and salvation.

First, The idea that he actually exists.

Secondly, A correct idea of his character, perfections and attributes.

Thirdly, An actual knowledge that the course of life which he is pursuing, is according to his will.—For without an acquaintance with these three important facts, the faith of every rational being must be imperfect and unproductive; but with this understanding, it can become perfect and fruitful, abounding in righteousness unto the praise and glory of God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ…

..correct ideas of the character of God are necessary in order to the exercise of faith in him unto life and salvation, and that without correct ideas of his character, the minds of men could not have sufficient power with God to the exercise of faith necessary to the enjoyment of eternal life, and that correct ideas of his character lay a foundation as far as his character is concerned, for the exercise of faith, so as to enjoy the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Jesus Christ, even that of eternal glory”[1]

the Lectures continue on to inform the reader that without the knowledge of all things and having power over all things, God would not have the ability to save any portion of his creatures nor would they have the faith necessary to be saved.

Faith is the essence of God’s power

“What account is given of the attributes of God in his revelations?

First, Knowledge, secondly, Faith, or power, thirdly, Justice, fourthly, Judgment, fifthly, Mercy, and sixthly truth.” [2]

Notice how the above passage lists God’s attribute of knowledge first, followed by Faith. Notice also that faith is used interchangeably with power. Faith is the God’s power. For those who believe that the definition of faith given in Alama 32 is the exclusive and all encompassing definition of faith, the above supposition must create cognitive dissonance, for how can an all knowing God have faith? After all, “faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things..[3]” right?

The truth is that faith is progressive during mortal progression. One begins with pre-knowledge faith and progresses into post-knowledge faith. The definition of post-knowledge faith is given in Hebrews 11 where the inspired version of the Bible informs us that “Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”[4] Joseph’s substitution of “assurance” with “substance” is an intriguing one. Using the 1828 Websters to more fully appreciate the language of his day, we are informed that the act of assuring is to furnish “full confidence” rather than mere hope:

“The act of assuring, or of making a declaration in terms that furnish ground of confidence; as, I trusted to his assurances; or the act of furnishing any ground of full confidence.

Whereof he hath given assurance to all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Act. 17).

Paul then explains that the principle of faith is the power used by our omniscient God to create the worlds:

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”[5]

The Fulness of the Father

In Section 88 we are introduced to the doctrine of the “Fulness of the Father”:

“And it shall come to pass, that if you are faithful you shall receive the fulness of the record of John.

I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know WHAT you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.

For if you keep my commandments you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified in me as I am in the Father; therefore, I say unto you, you shall receive grace for grace.”[6]

The doctrine of the fulness of the Father is elaborated on in Lectures on Faith and it is explained that not only Christ, but the elect of God can, through faithfulness, receive the fulness of the Father.

The fifth lecture on faith is so powerful and so all encompassing with regard to the three members of the Godhead that I feel the need to quote the entire lecture because it will provides the ground work for the remaining passages that we review about the Father and His Son:

“We shall, in this lecture speak of the Godhead: we mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son:

The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be.

But notwithstanding all this, he kept the law of God, and remained without sin: Showing thereby that it is in the power of man to keep the law and remain also without sin. And also, that by him a righteous judgment might come upon all flesh, and that all who walk not in the law of God, may justly be condemned by the law, and have no excuse for their sins. And he being the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, and having overcome, received a fulness of the glory of the Father—possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit, that bears record of the Father and the Son, and these three are one, or in other words, these three constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things: by whom all things were created and made, that were created and made: and these three constitute the Godhead, and are one:

The Father and the Son possessing the same mind, the same wisdom, glory, power and fulness: Filling all in all—the Son being filled with the fulness of the Mind, glory and power, or, in other words, the Spirit, glory and power of the Father—possessing all knowledge and glory, and the same kingdom: sitting at the right hand of power, in the express image and likeness of the Father—a Mediator for man—being filled with the fulness of the Mind of the Father, or, in other words, the Spirit of the Father: which Spirit is shed forth upon all who believe on his name and keep his commandments: and all those who keep his commandments shall grow up from grace to grace, and become heirs of the heavenly kingdom, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ; possessing the same mind, being transformed into the same image or likeness, even the express image of him who fills all in all: being filled with the fulness of his glory, and become one in him, even as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one.

From the foregoing account of the Godhead, which is given in his revelations, the Saints have a sure foundation laid for the exercise of faith unto life and salvation, through the atonement and mediation of Jesus Christ, by whose blood they have a forgiveness of sins, and also, a sure reward laid up for them in heaven, even that of partaking of the fulness of the Father and the Son, through the Spirit. As the Son partakes of the fulness of the Father through the Spirit, so the saints are, by the same Spirit, to be partakers of the same fulness, to enjoy the same glory; for as the Father and the Son are one, so in like manner the saints are to be one in them, through the love of the Father, the mediation of Jesus Christ, and the gift of the Holy Spirit; they are to be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.”

From this amazing lecture we learn that all things were created by the Father and the Son. It informs us that the Father is a personage of spirit, glory and power and the Son is a personage of tabernacle. We are also informed that the Son was taken from the bosom of the Father and was MADE or FASHIONED by the Father in the express image and likeness of the Father. We are also informed that just as the Son has received the fulness of the Father, the Saints can, through the mediation of the Son, become JOINT HEIRS with Christ in receiving the fulness of the Father upon faith and faithfulness in keeping the commandments of God.

As one proceeds in categorizing all of the attributes of God as detailed in the bible, it becomes apparent that He is omnipotent omnipresent omniscient which is frankly not possible for the human mind to comprehend. Another attribute that God has is that all time, past present and future are continually before his eyes, enabling Him to see the future as well as the past:

“But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.”[7]

The remarkable thing about this probationary existence is that a person does not need to totally comprehend a doctrine in order to simply exercise childlike faith and believe it.

Rejecting Truth

One of the truly shocking things that I discovered during my quest to better understand the true history of Mormonism, is that after the fulness of the Gospel was rejected, the heavens slowly began closing and the Lord began covering the eyes of the prophets and seers of the LDS restoration, just as Isaiah had prophesied.

“For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep.  For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets; and your rulers, and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity.”[8]
The truths that had been revealed by revelation during the revelatory sweet spot of the restoration began to be replaced with false doctrine in fulfillment with prophecy:

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”[9]
Within a decade of when the Lectures on Faith was canonized, Joseph Smith began contradicting the truths about the nature and Character of God that are in the Bible. Interestingly, he also contradicted what he and Sidney Rigdon had presented in the Lectures on Faith and he contradicted what was taught about God in the revelations he had brought forth.

During the final months before his martyrdom he actually taught that God the Father is an anthropomorphic God who had previously been a mortal man. He taught that the Father is not the first God and that there were many Gods before Him. He taught that God was not from everlasting to everlasting. This contradicted both the Bible as well as the scriptures that Joseph Smith had been instrumental in bringing forth.

Following the succession crisis, once a large portion of the Saints migrated to Utah, Brigham Young began teaching other heresies about the nature of God and he denied the virgin birth  as it is described in the Bible and Book of Mormon.

The latter day saints have now replaced the original truths about the true nature and character of God with fables. My research has led me to believe that virtually every major doctrine of the Gospel has been changed since the early days of the LDS restoration. Even the saving ordinances of the Gospel have been changed as Isaiah noted. It is disturbing to realize that Mormons are taught a false idea of the true nature and character of God. There is a passage in modern revelation that informs us that those that don’t repent, can have the light which they have already received taken away from them:

“.. he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven;
And he that repents not, from him shall be taken even the light which he has received; for my Spirit shall not always strive with man, saith the Lord of Hosts.”[10]

The concept that a person can have their knowledge of the truth taken from them is a fascinating one. The Book of Mormon also teaches that truth can be taken away from those that are unwilling to receive more truth- ” from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.”[11]

Each New Truth Builds Upon a Previous Truth

I believe that a correct understanding of God is a pre-requisite for learning additional truths about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Having a correct understanding of the nature and characteristics of God and believing on his word, provides the foundation for other gospel truths that are revealed, with each truth building upon the next truth and so on.

A string of learning events take place as the student of the Gospel increases their light and knowledge through prayerful study as they search the scriptures. If at any time during the progressive acquisition of pure knowledge, a false doctrine is accepted as truth, it creates a stumbling block for gaining addition truth and in fact if that belief persists, it may potentially ultimately cause the candidate to reject or forget the true foundational beliefs that had previously been accepted.

Of all of the doctrinal links in the chain of gospel learning, perhaps none are more important than the correct understanding of God, because it is the foundational truth upon which all other truths are supported. Once the true nature and character of God is rejected, faith cannot grow and it often begins to crumble. This is why a correct knowledge of the nature and attributes of God is so critical.

Worshipping a False God

The God that is worshipped by many of the latter day saints is quite different from the God of the Bible that began introducing himself through Joseph Smith during the early Kirtland years of the restoration. The primary purpose of this chapter is to address some of the Biblical truths about the Biblical God of the early restoration, in comparison with some of the falsehoods that the Saints have inherited from the false traditions of their fathers. Note the following warning in modern revelation about how light and truth can be taken away.

“The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.

Light and truth forsake that evil one.

38  Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.

39  And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.

40  But I have commanded you to bring up your children in light and truth.”[12]
The False Tradition of the Fathers

The above passage informs us that we can depart from light and knowledge through disobedience to God’s commandments or by inheriting the false doctrines of our fathers. It reminds us that light and truth forsake the evil one. If in fact the belief in true doctrine results in further light and knowledge, and the acceptance of false doctrine results in the loss of light and truth, it follows that understanding and believing true doctrine can be helpful in protecting us from the evil one, conversely, the acceptance of false doctrine gives the evil one power over us. Perhaps that is why the following passage in the JST version of Matthew identifies the importance of treasuring up the word of God as a defense from deception.

“And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”[13]

The Evil One is Forsaken by Light and Truth

In the Book of Moses we have a striking example of how the evil one attempted to deceive Moses, but was forsaken by the light and knowledge that Moses had already received from God.

“THE words of God, which he spake unto Moses at a time when Moses was caught up into an exceedingly high mountain,

And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.

And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?..

Wherefore, no man can behold all my works, except he behold all my glory; and no man can behold all my glory, and afterwards remain in the flesh on the earth.

And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.

And the presence of God withdrew from Moses, that his glory was not upon Moses; and Moses was left unto himself.  And as he was left unto himself, he fell unto the earth. And it came to pass that it was for the space of many hours before Moses did again receive his natural strength like unto man..

But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him”.[14]

There are many truths contained in the above account. It informs us that Moses obtained the ultimate knowledge of God by seeing and conversing with God.[15]  From the account we learn that it is impossible for the natural man to see God. In order for a person to see God they must first prove themselves faithful to God and be transfigured by the Holy Ghost. If a transfigured person was allowed to behold all of God’s glory, they would not be able to remain upon the earth in the flesh.

Avoiding the Deception of Satan

According to this account that is revealed in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, Moses was approached by Satan after he gained the ultimate knowledge of God:

12  And it came to pass that when Moses had said these words, behold, Satan came tempting him, saying: Moses, son of man, worship me.

13  And it came to pass that Moses looked upon Satan and said: Who art thou?  For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?

14  For behold, I could not look upon God, except his glory should come upon me, and I were transfigured before him.  But I can look upon thee in the natural man.  Is it not so, surely?

15  Blessed be the name of my God, for his Spirit hath not altogether withdrawn from me, or else where is thy glory, for it is darkness unto me?  And I can judge between thee and God; for God said unto me: Worship God, for him only shalt thou serve.

16  Get thee hence, Satan; deceive me not; for God said unto me: Thou art after the similitude of mine Only Begotten.

17  And he also gave me commandments when he called unto me out of the burning bush, saying: Call upon God in the name of mine Only Begotten, and worship me.

18  And again Moses said: I will not cease to call upon God, I have other things to inquire of him: for his glory has been upon me, wherefore I can judge between him and thee.  Depart hence, Satan.[16]

From this account and many others in the four standard works, we learn that we are to call upon and worship God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, who is the only begotten of the Father. The Son is our intercessor, but it is the Father that we pray to. As you can see, from the account, light and truth forsake the evil one. Satan was forsaken and exposed by the truth and light that Moses had obtained when he entered into the presence of God. Once a person becomes a friend of God, Satan is easily detected.

There is no God beside Me

One of the fundamental Biblical truths about God the Father is that there were no Gods that existed before Him and that He never had a beginning, He has always existed.

We also learn that there is no God beside the Father.

“I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me.  I am the LORD, and there is none else.”[17]

My study and research has led me to believe the term “beside me” is often misunderstood. I believe it means that there are no other Gods “apart from” the dominion of the Father. In other words, there are no other Gods that are self existent like the Father is self existent. One of the essential truths regarding God, is that He first created his Son and His Son created all other creatures in creation. All creatures derive the power that upholds and sustains them, from the Father and Son.

There are no other self existent Gods. There are no Gods that are outside his dominion.  All creatures in creation require His power to exist in their created state. There are no other Gods that have not been created by him. In other words the Father is the source of all power in all creation. The Son of God derives His power from the Father as well, and even when He separates out and is sent forth by God, He is still God, even an extension of God.

It is believed by some Mormon scholars that whenever the term LORD is used in the Old Testament, in caps, that it is referring to Jehovah, (Christ), as opposed to Elohim (The Father). I am not convinced it is that black and white, since the Father dwells within Christ, and often speaks through Christ, as an indwelling intelligence. The Book of Moses informs us that it was indeed the “Lord God” (Father) that walked with Adam in the Garden. According to Paul in the Book of Hebrews,

“GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..”[18]

That would imply that the Father was the primary one speaking in the Old Testament times while the Son became the intercessor and communicator from New Testament time foreword. It is actually probably more accurate to say that from time to time, the Father spoke in the first person as the Son during Old Testament times than to say that from time to time, the Son spoke in the first person as the Father in Old Testament times.

when accused of blaspheme Christ quoted from the law, showing that there are other “gods” beside “God”:

“Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”[19]
Regarding the existence of multiple “g”ods under the domain of “G”od the Father, In modern revelation given the Lord said-

“God shall give unto you knowledge by his Holy Spirit, yea, by the unspeakable gift of the Holy Ghost, that has not been revealed since the world was until now;

Which our forefathers have awaited with anxious expectation to be revealed in the last times, which their minds were pointed to by the angels, as held in reserve for the fulness of their glory; A time to come in the which nothing shall be withheld, whether there be one God or many gods, they shall be manifest.

All thrones and dominions, principalities and powers, shall be revealed and set forth upon all who have endured valiantly for the gospel of Jesus Christ.”[20]

Following the rhetorical question of whether there are multiple Gods under the dominion of the Father the answer is embedded in the following passage

“According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.”[21]

 

Clearly there are other lesser gods that are created by the Father. The above passages were clearly given to begin preparing the minds of the Saints for the time when nothing would be withheld regarding the kingdom of God and how all things are created. The question of whether there is one “God” or many “gods”, had been revealed to Joseph as early as 1835 when the Book of Abraham was translated which included passages like the following one:

 

“AND then the Lord said: Let us go down.  And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.

And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.

And they (the gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.”[22]

I AM that I AM

In the above account Moses references his experience of speaking to God in the burning bush. This brings us to one of the most profound truths about God and what is perhaps the shortest chiasm in the Bible.

When Moses asked God

” Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name?  what shall I say unto them?”

God replied:

“I AM

THAT

I AM”

Following that chiastic declaration God said:

“Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”[23]

I believe that response contains more than just a name, I think it contains a descriptive that refers to who and what God is. I believe He was essentially declaring:

I am THE Only Self Existing – Sovereign – Omnipotent – Supreme Power in all creation”

The sovereignty of God is one of the most powerful attributes of God. He does not and never has derived his power from another God or any exterior source. His IS the power that actuates all created beings.

In God’s infallible word, it is an axiomatic verity that God is not a created being and that He has always existed. He does not derive his power from any other God or power source. He is self existing and without cause, having no beginning. He has always existed. He is from everlasting to everlasting. He has never changed, and he will never change.

Notice how “life” is self existent within the Father, while the Son needed to receive it from the Father.

“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself[24]

This not only confirms the self existent nature of the Father, it also reveals Christ is not self existent. Rather, Christ draws his life and power from the Father along with all other created beings. This is quite significant.

Additional Truths about the Nature of God

We shall now address additional the truths about God’s nature and character that have been revealed in the Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. When using the Doctrine and Covenants we shall sometimes call upon the Lectures on Faith which represented the “Doctrine” portion of the original Doctrine and Covenants. It contains valuable doctrine about faith and about the nature of God that Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon wrote about within just a few years after they had received of the fulness of the father and seen and conversed with God just as Moses did.

Here is a snippet from the Lectures on Faith regarding God’s nature and attributes and why understanding these things is critical to having the faith necessary unto life and salvation:

“From the foregoing testimonies, we learn the following things respecting the character of God.

First, That he was God before the world was created, and the same God that he was, after it was created.

Secondly, That he is merciful, and gracious, slow to anger, abundant in goodness, and that he was so from everlasting, and will be to everlasting.

Thirdly, That he changes not, neither is there variableness with him; but that he is the same from everlasting to everlasting, being the same yesterday to-day and forever; and that his course is one eternal round, without variation.

Fourthly, That he is a God of truth and cannot lie.

Fifthly, That he is no respecter of persons; but in every nation he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him.

Sixthly, That he is love.

An acquaintance with these attributes in the divine character, is essentially necessary, in order that the faith of any rational being can center in him for life and salvation. For if he did not, in the first instance, believe him to be God, that is, the creator and upholder of all things, he could not center his faith in him for life and salvation, for fear there should be a greater than he, who would thwart all his plans, and he, like the gods of the heathen, would be unable to fulfill his promises; but seeing he is God over all, from everlasting to everlasting, the creator and upholder of all things, no such fear can exist in the minds of those who put their trust in him, so that in this respect their faith can be without wavering.

But secondly: Unless he was merciful, and gracious, slow to anger, long suffering, and full of goodness, such is the weakness of human nature, and so great the frailties and imperfections of men, that unless they believed that these excellencies existed in the divine character, the faith necessary to salvation could not exist; for doubt would take the place of faith, and those who know their weakness and liability to sin, would be in constant doubt of salvation, if it were not for the idea which they have of the excellency of the character of God, that he is slow to anger, and long suffering, and of a forgiving disposition, and does forgive iniquity, transgression and sin. An idea of these facts does away doubt, and makes faith exceedingly strong.

But it is equally as necessary that men should have the idea that he is a God who changes not, in order to have faith in him, as it is to have the idea that he is gracious and long suffering. For without the idea of unchangeableness in the character if the Deity, doubt would take the place of faith. But with the idea that he changes not, faith lays hold upon the excellencies in his character with unshaken confidence, believing he is the same yesterday, to-day and forever, and that his course is one eternal round.

And again, the idea that he is a God of truth and cannot lie, is equally as necessary to the exercise of faith in him, as the idea of his unchangeableness. For without the idea that he was a God of truth and could not lie, the confidence necessary to be placed in his word in order to the exercise of faith in him, could not exist. But having the idea that he is not man that he can lie, it gives power to the minds of men to exercise faith in him.

But it is also necessary that men should have an idea that he is no respecter of persons; for with the idea of all the other excellencies in his character, and this one wanting, men could not exercise faith in him, because if he were a respecter of persons, they could not tell what their privileges were, nor how far they were authorized to exercise faith in him, or whether they were authorized to do it at all, but all must be confusion; but no sooner are the minds of men made acquainted with the truth on this point, that he is no respecter of persons, than they see that they have authority by faith to lay hold on eternal life the richest boon of heaven, because God is no respecter of persons, and that every man in every nation has an equal privilege.

And lastly, but not less important to the exercise of faith in God, is the idea that he is love; for with all the other excellencies in his character, without this one to influence them, they could not have such powerful dominion over the minds of men; but when the idea is planted in the mind that he is love, who cannot see the just ground that men of every nation, kindred and tongue, have to exercise faith in God so as to obtain eternal life?

From the above description of the character of the Deity which is given him in the revelations, to men, there is a sure foundation for the exercise of faith in him among every people, nation and kindred, from age to age, and from generation to generation.”[25]

 

 

Two God’s or One God?

Scholars of the Bible have argued for centuries over whether God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ represent two separate and distinct beings [a plural God] or if they represent one being [ a singular God]. The same debate takes place within Mormonism.

I believe the answer is BOTH.

I am going to suggest that the scriptures do not present two conflicting doctrines regarding the Father and the Son, rather they reveal two separate ways that God the Father and His Son manifest themselves. I believe that we need to accept EVERYTHING that God has cumulatively taught about Himself in the Holy Scriptures, even the passages that appear to be contradictory, and that require the student of the Gospel to step outside the paradigm of their five senses and accept what is said regardless of how illogical it seems to the natural man and his carnal mind.

Hence, I have no other choice than to conclude that the Father and Son represent both, ONE GOD, that has the ability to manifest Himself as TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT BEINGS.

How is this possible?

According to scripture, the Father is a personage of spirit and the Son is a personage of tabernacle. Christ’s physical personage dwells within the spiritual personage of the Father and the Father’s spiritual personage dwells within the physical personage of the Son which makes them ONE God. In other words, the Father cloaks himself in the tabernacle of the Son. Conversely, the tabernacle is infused with the spirit of the Father enabling Christ to inherit and manifest the fulness of the nature and character of the Father enjoying the same mind and will.

John 1:18 informs us that Christ in “in the bosom of the Father,..”

Section 76:13 of the D&C also confirms that “his Only Begotten Son” is in “the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning”

Section 93 of the D&C informs us that the Father and Son literally reside in each other:

” .. I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—”

Having documented the mystical fact that the Father and the Son reside in each other, we are informed in scriptures that we cannot fully comprehend this mystical fact unless the Son reveals it to us.

A Sure Knowledge of God’s Existence

In the ultimate sense, the sure knowledge of God cannot be acquired solely through studying the written word, with just the human intellect or through life’s typical experiences. It needs to be experienced through a profound mystical, spiritual awakening and entrance into His presence as it happened to Moses.  Before such an awakening can take place, one must have the right idea about the existence of God so that he won’t be deceived. This is why God’s written word is so important. According to Lectures on Faith:

“without the revelations which He has given us, no man by searching could find out God”[26]

This is undoubtedly why the scriptures refer to the mysteries of Godliness. The nature, character and reality of God is a mystery to the natural man. The carnal mind cannot comprehend what God has declared in scripture about His character, perfections and attributes. The declarations that God has made about Himself seem incomprehensible to the carnal mind, such as having all power[27], knowing all things[28], having no beginning, etc. Luckily, faith does not require a perfect understanding. One can have faith that something is true, without fully comprehending it.

Seeing God while in the Flesh

VERILY, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;[29]

 

Our Mystical Relationship with Christ and the Father

Mormons are sometimes criticized for making false claims about our ability become a God. Many of those accusations are well deserved. The claim that we can become what the Father has always been, as a self existent Sovereign God, which is “beside” the Father, or outside of his dominion, is patently false and probably blasphemous. However the teaching that we can become equal with Christ in receiving the fulness of the Father is actually supported in the New Testament as well as the Doctrine and Covenants.

The Lamb of God hath overcome and trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.

And then shall the angels be crowned with the glory of his might, and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.[30]

Paul actually states that the Children of God, (Saints) will become Joint-heirs with Christ:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.[31]

Remembering what was stated in lectures and backed up by scripture, the saints can “become one in him, even as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one.”

Christ intercessory prayer in the gospel of John addresses this mysterious relationship that Christ has with the elect of God:

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.”[32]

To our protestant friends who question this doctrine we would simply ask, what part of “joint-heirs” with Christ, don’t you understand? In Jewish custom, “joint heirs” has a very specific meaning: heirs who receive an identical inheritance[33].

An online commentary has this to say about the use of the word “joint-heirs”

“If two brothers inherited an estate as equal heirs, then the estate would be divided into two equal parts and each would be given the same amount. But if the two are made joint-heirs, then both of them have equal rights to the total inheritance. They both look at the total inheritance as theirs. As joint-heirs with Christ, the total inheritance of Christ is the inheritance of every believer.

As sons of God, we are joint-heirs of all that Christ possesses, and his possessions are infinite..”[34]

The mystical oneness offered to the believer is reiterated in modern revelation:

“I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was crucified for the sins of the world, even as many as will believe on my name, that they may become the sons of God, even one in me as I am one in the Father, as the Father is one in me, that we may be one.”[35]

After Adam was baptized and received the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, he mystically and miraculously became one with God and was pronounced a son of God, with the promise that all who believe may become the sons of God:

“And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water.

65  And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man.

66  And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost.  This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever;

67  And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity.

68  Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons.  Amen. “[36]

The fluctuating ability of Christ to be in a glorified state in the pre-existence, then condescend and take on the form of a servant in the likeness of a man, and then return to the Father anbd the fulness, is really quite a mystical concept.

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”[37]

The Father is Revealed by the Son

In other words, God has told us many things in His Holy Scriptures about His nature and his attributes and how a person can ultimately obtain a sure knowledge of his existence. He has also promised us that if we read and believe his word, we will be blessed with the manifestation of His spirit[38] and that eventually, through faithfulness, we shall see the Savior[39] and the Savior will reveal the father to us. One of the doctrinal profundities revealed in Joseph Smith’s inspired revision of the Gospel of Luke is that in the gospel age that began in the meridian of time, one can only be introduced to the Father, by the Son:

“All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it.“[40].

This declaration separates the Father from the Son by informing us that all things are given the Son by the father, yet it also informs us that the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son. Lastly, it informs us that the Son is responsible for revealing the Father.

A variation of this passage is found in Joseph’s revision of Matthew:

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father; and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and they to whom the Son will reveal himself; they shall see the Father also”.[41]

The existence of, and relationship between, the Father and the Son can only be revealed to a person by the Son. The above two passages also inform us that all things are delivered to the Son by the Father.

One of the greatest debates that is created from a black and white, rigid, intellectually based analysis of the scriptures with regard to the relationship between the Father and the Son, is whether they constitute the same God or two separate and distinct Gods. This conundrum is created by the fact that many passages in the New Testament characterize the Father and Son as two separate and distinct beings, while many other passages appear to contradict that doctrine by claiming that there is only one God and that the Father and the Son are ONE.

The same dilemma is true of the Book of Mormon. Trinity theology is both a mystery and a paradox as it portrays one God in three persons. Biblical Christianity, as it was originally revealed in the original teachings of Mormonism is not far from that explanation, although a bit more complex. The Holy Spirit is not a “person” or “personage”, although it is still part of the Godhead. And Christ can display the fulness of the Father or have the glory of God temporarily withdrawn from him, depending on whether He is residing in the personage of the Father or whether he has been sent forth to do a work.

Even the Book of Mormon produces all of the same evidences that appears contradictory to the carnal mind. Within the following passage we are referred to the existence of Father and the Son of God, who we are informed, represents the Very Eternal Father of Heaven and Earth. as it

and yet is all throughout the text and yet, some passages declare that Christ is the very eternal Father.

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.

2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—

3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.[42]

The Father can Withdraw His Glory from Christ

Perhaps the thing that makes the above truths so confusing and apparently contradictory, is the fact that the Father and Son have the miraculous, mystical and ineffable ability to separate from each other during the work of bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of Man. Even more mind-bending is the fact that the Father can temporarily withdraw a portion of his spirit and fulness from the Son in order to enable the Son to condescend and do a work.

The Father can “send forth” the Son from the center of his presence and commission him to do certain things, such as, condescend and visit a temporal world to teach, and atone. It becomes apparent in the narrative provided in the scriptures that when God sends forth the Son to do his will, God can temporarily withdraw His spirit from the Son to bring to pass the amazing condescension, suffering and atonement that is required to take place in the work of redeeming other created intelligences.

When sent forth, Christ manifests himself as a separate and independent intelligence which can carry on an authentic two-way conversation with the Father, as happened in the Garden of Gethsemane and 3rd Nephi, etc.

When separated out, the Son can manifest a separate and differing will than the Father:

“I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the WILL OF HIM that SENT me” [43]

In Gethsemene He declared,

“thy will not mine…”

The above two passages demonstrated that when sent forth to fulfill His earthly ministry, Christ had a different and distinct will than His father.

The Following reminiscence of Zebedee Coltrin provides some remarkable testimony to what the scriptures tell us:

“At one of these meetings after the organization of the school, (the school being organized_ on the 23rd of January, 1833, when we were all together, Joseph having given instructions, and while engaged in silent prayer, kneeling, with our hands uplifted each one praying in silence, no one whispered above his breath, a personage walked through the room from east to west, and Joseph asked if we saw him. I saw him and suppose the others did and Joseph answered that is Jesus, the Son of God, our elder brother.

Afterward Joseph told us to resume our former position in prayer, which we did. Another person came through; he was surrounded as with a flame of fire. He (Brother Coltrin) experienced a sensation that it might destroy the tabernacle as it was of consuming fire of great brightness. The Prophet Joseph said this was the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. I saw Him.

When asked about the kind of clothing the Father had on, Brother Coltrin said: I did not discover his clothing for he was surrounded as with a flame of fire, which was so brilliant that I could not discover anything else but his person. I saw his hands, his legs, his feet, his eyes, nose, mouth, head and body in the shape and form of a perfect man. He sat in a chair as a man would sit in a chair, but this appearance was so grand and overwhelming that it seemed I should melt down in his presence, and the sensation was so powerful that it thrilled through my whole system and I felt it in the marrow of my bones.

The Prophet Joseph said: Brethren, now you are prepared to be the apostles of Jesus Christ, for you have seen both the Father and the Son and know that they exist and that they are two separate personages. [44]

It is rather significant that Joseph felt that apostles needed to know that the Father and Son are two separate personages, in order to fully testify in there callings. Here is what the Lecture on Faith teaches relative to the distinct character and attributes of the Father and Son:

“There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—

They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness:

The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—

he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh”[45]

Part of the mystery of Godliness is in understanding that although the Father and Son can manifest themselves independently as distinct beings, and although God is independently described in Lectures on Faith and in the scriptures as a personage of Spirit, while the Son  is independently described in Lectures on Faith and in the scriptures as a personage of tabernacle, they dwell in each other and constitute ONE GOD!

Section 88 speaks of the “face of him who sitteth upon the throne and governeth and executeth all things.”

It points out that God “comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever.”

It goes on to provide a rather esoteric, all encompassing characterization of the fact that if you have seen anything God has created, you have seen God.

The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.

Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?

Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.

Let me suggest those mystical passages contained in sections 76, 88, and 93 are not there for their poetry. They are literally true. They are not “sectarian notions”

The Father is Greater than the.. Son when they Separate
Perhaps one of the more confusing things about Jesus Christ, the Son of God is that there is a huge fluctuation in how scripture characterizes and depicts him. At the one extreme we are informed that Christ is tempted and suffers and pleads with the Father and even has a differing will than the Father that needs to be brought into submission with the Father. He declares that “My doctrine is not mine but his that sent me”[46]. He acknowledges that the Father is greater than him, indicating that He is not even in the same realm as the Father.

On the other hand, at other times He declares that He knows all things and has created all things. He proclaims that He is from everlasting to everlasting. Indeed, it would appear that He claims the exact same nature attributes and perfections as the Father has. Indeed, He often speaks as if he is the Father, oscillating back and forth between both His persona and the Father’s persona. He actually speaks as if He is the Father, particularly in modern revelation. This phenomenon has been referred to as “divine investiture”, meaning that “the Father has placed his name upon the Son, has given him his own power and authority, and has authorized him to speak in the first person as though he were the original or primal Father.”[47] I would contend, however, that in some situations, particularly having to do with modern revelation, the Son literally has the Father dwelling within Him.

One example of when He refers to himself as both Christ and Elohim in the same revelation, in section 29 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In it, He says, “Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Redeemer, the Great I AM, whose arm of mercy hath atoned for your sins”[48] . But in verse 42 he switches characters and says “I, the Lord God, gave unto Adam and unto his seed, that they should not die as to the temporal death, until I, the Lord God, should send forth angels to declare unto them repentance and redemption, through faith on the name of mine Only Begotten Son”. This switching of personas is completely consistent with the mystical relationship of the Father and Son wherein the scriptures have stated that the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father.

Here is a passage where Christ’s depictions of Himself oscillates towards the fulness of the Father:

1  THUS saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made;

2  The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes;

3  I am the same which spake, and the world was made, and all things came by me.

4  I am the same which have taken the Zion of Enoch into mine own bosom; and verily, I say, even as many as have believed in my name, for I am Christ, and in mine own name, by the virtue of the blood which I have spilt, have I pleaded before the Father for them.[49]

Here are some characterization oscillations that swings back toward a Son that has been “sent forth” from the Father and is subservient to the Father. In it, Christ makes it clear that the Father was in charge and that Christ was not acting on his own accord:

“I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.  But I know him:  for I am from him, and he hath sent me” [50]

“I proceeded forth and came from GOD; neither came I of myself, but he sent me”[51]

Jesus here clearly shows that the Father exercises supreme authority, and sent him to be our Savior. Christ  declares that the Father is greater than Him:

“For my Father is greater  than I” [52]

These amazingly disruptive passages in the Book of Mormon provide an apparent contradiction unless the mystical relationship between the Father and Son is understood. When Christ was sent forth from the Father, He needed to submit to the will of the Father in order to be infused with the fathers presence, making him both the Father and the Son.

AND now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.

And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—

The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.[53]

Is God a “What” or a “Who”?

In modern revelation the Lord informs us that He gives us sayings that we may know how to worship and WHAT we worship:

“I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know WHAT you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.”

We know that God is a “who”, because he is always referred to as “He”, and Father, etc., but according to the above passages, he is also a “what” which very possibly has reference to the light, life, glory and power that He innately possesses.
Was Jesus Christ a Created Being?

One of the more controversial topics among Biblical scholars is whether or not Jesus Christ was created by the Father or if he is not a created being.

Many Bible scholars claim that Christ, like the Father, is not a created being.

I am going to challenge that supposition and provide scriptures that seems to refute it.

It appears to me from this study, that Christ is a created being. I believe there is strong evidence to believe that He is. I am going to suggest that Christ was in fact created by the Father in the beginning of all creation, but He was no longer a creature of the father once he received the fulness of the Father and became assimilated into the Father. We have already noted from Lectures on Faith that the Son was taken from the bosom of the Father and was MADE or FASHIONED by the Father in the express image and likeness of the Father. I believe those terms, made and fashioned represent a beginning. It represents that taking of unorganized intelligence and organizing it, or creating it.

Only Begotten Son

Sonship signifies beginning. It is impossible to become a Son without a beginning.

I base my suspicion that Christ had a beginning and was the first creation of the Father based on several pronouncements in scripture containing terms with compelling definitions. The first has to do with the recurring declaration that Christ is “the only begotten of the Father”. I believe the term begotten represents a beginning point and a time of creation. (According to modern revelation, nothing is created from nothing. All organized intelligence has been created from unorganized intelligence which has always existed.

The term beget, typically means to procreate, as a father or sire; to generate; as, to beget a son. To produce, as an effect; to cause to exist; to generate.

The term “Only begotten” shows up 6 times in the Holy Bible, 9 times in the Book of Mormon, 13 times in the D&C and 26 times in the Book of Moses.[54] It stands to reason that if Christ had always been co-existent and co-equal with the Father as a God, there would be no reason to refer to him as the only begotten of the Father. Clearly, the term denotes a beginning point. No other beings were begotten by God because Christ is the creator of all things. Indeed the declaration seems to support the narrative in Moses that God used Christ to create all other things. Notice how God pronounces the Son to be full of grace and truth, but then strongly infers that Christ is not a self existent God.

“And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.”[55]

God is extolling Christ’s credentials of being full of grace and truth, for being a Savior, yet He makes it clear that there is no self existent God beside Him, Christ included. I would suggest that Christ is a God within the Father, but not self existent outside of the Father.

Firstborn of Every Creature

Another term the scriptures use to describe Christ is “firstborn”. In modern revelation the Savior proclaims that-

“I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn”[56]

I would suggest that he might have said “I was in the beginning [of creation] with the Father and am the [first one created]. [ I then created all other creatures]”

A similar New Testament passage describes Christ as the “firstborn of every creature” suggesting that just as all creatures have been born, or created, and have had a beginning, so has Christ. Furthermore, we are informed that after being the first one created, the Father uses Christ to create all other created things:

12  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;[57]

Reiterating what is said above, Paul, claims Christ was to the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

“For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters”.[58]

In Rev 3:1 John appears to reiterate what Paul said. He seems to be referring to Christ as “the beginning of God’s creations;

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”[59]

Christ was Made

“[Jesus] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent NAME than they.  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art MY SON, this day have I begotten thee?  And again, I will be to him a FATHER, and he shall be to me a SON? . . . But unto the SON he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever . . .”[60]
He was Prepared

Notice the definition of prepared and then notice that Christ had been prepared from the foundation of the world:

 

PREPA’RED, pp. Fitted; adapted; made suitable; made ready; provided.

“And when he had said these words, the Spirit of the Lord was upon him, and he said: Helam, I baptize thee, having authority from the Almighty God, as a testimony that ye have entered into a covenant to serve him until you are dead as to the mortal body; and may the Spirit of the Lord be poured out upon you; and may he grant unto you eternal life, through the redemption of Christ, whom he has prepared from the foundation of the world”. [61]
“Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people.  Behold, I am Jesus Christ.  I am the Father and the Son.  In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters”.[62]

The Father is Christ’s God

In other passages, we learn that the Father is Christ’s God.

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”[63]

When Christ is separated from the Father, it appears that God can infuse his fulness into Christ or withdraw his spirit from Christ, depending on the work that needs to be performed. During His earthly ministry he temporarily has the fulness of the Father taken away from him so that he can “condescend” and provide the work of intercession and atonement.

During His earthly ministry he has a differing will than the father which must be brougt into subjecting to the will of the Father. It is through the act of condescension followed by submission and subjecting himself to the will of the Father that He is able to atone, redeem and return back into the bosom of God.

When he returns to God He is restored to the fulness of the Fathers glory that he enjoyed in the Bosom of God before He was sent forth.   Christ declared during his early ministry that he had enjoyed the glory of the Father prior to being sent forth, and that He would once again be restored to the Fathers glory when he returns.

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”[64]

Clearly, the Father had to withdraw the fulness of himself (his glory) in order for Christ to fulfill his mission.

“why has thou forsaken me..”

Things that Differentiate the Father from the Son

Having just completed a rather extensive review of what God has told us about His character, perfections and attributes, as well as those of His Son let us review how they are differentiated from each other. The scriptures inform us that when Christ is acting in the fulness of the Father that he has been endowed with, He has all of the same attributes as the father, through inheritance. When He dwells within the Father there is no difference because He has received the fulness and actually dwells in the Father’s personage of spirit while the Father dwells within the Son’s personage of tabernacle.

On the other hand, when the Father sent His Son forth, to redeem mankind, the mission required that a portion of God’s power and glory be withheld from him so that a “condescension” could take place, and his intercessory role could be accomplished in drawing all men to God. Under these circumstances, he manifests characteristics that differentiate himself from the Father. When speaking of Christ’s creation and some of his attributes when he is sent forth from the bosom of the Father, the following formed differentiations seem to apply

1- God is has always existed in his present state from eternity to eternity, from everlasting to everlasting, Christ is a created or organized being who was taken from the Bosom of God in an unorganized state and formed, or created by the Father, into the image of the Father[65]
2- God has always been the primary source of power and glory in all creation. He has never received power and glory from another God or source of any kind. There has never been another God before the Father. Christ and all other created beings derive their power and glory from the Father
3- Christ can have his glory and power withdrawn by the Father as necessary for the condescension for the redemption of the world in necessary. The Father never has his power withdrawn by anyone or any thing.

4- The Father is THE Only Self Existing – Sovereign – Omnipotent – Supreme Power in all creation. Christ , in his created state, is not self existent; He derives his power and glory from the Father. He is eternally dependent on the Father to get his glory and power from the Father. He is an extension of the Father.

5- The Father is a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son is a personage of tabernacle, created in the image of the Father, by the Father

Creating God after our Own Image

Section One of the D&C foretold that that after the Saints stray from the true ordinances and break the everlasting covenant, they begin to create a god after their own image:

“For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant; They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.”[66]

This is exactly what happened shortly after the fulness of the gospel was rejected by the Saints of the restored church. Having now extensively reviewed what the scriptures tell us about the nature and character of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, as well as what was originally taught during the early history of the restoration, we will now review how the church departed from those basic Biblical teachings about the nature and character of God.

How God became a Man

The Famous sermon in which Joseph contradicted the foundational teachings regarding the true nature and character of God is referred to as the King Follett Sermon. There were several accounts of the sermon that can all be viewed side by side[4]. It is one of the best documented sermons given by Joseph Smith.

King Follett was a person who had died and it was common back in those times to preach a sermon in conjunction with saying some words about the deceased. The historical setting under which Joseph taught the concepts found in the King Follett Sermon is an interesting one. The sermon took place on June 7 1844 just a few months before the martyrdom.

The spirit of the Lord had been withdrawing from Joseph for quite some time because of the intercessory atonement offering that he had made for the Saints, and he had been showing signs of stress, depression, paranoia, and erratic behavior. One year earlier, on July 16 1843 Joseph had announced that he would no longer prophesy for the church in concert with Hyrum. He reminded the Saints that Hyrum held the office of “prophet” to the church.

According to the testimony of Lyman Wight, the Church had been rejected by the Lord with their dead in about September or October of 1841 when Joseph announced that Baptisms for the dead would no longer by accepted by the Lord until the temple was finished. He also ominously declared that no more general conferences of the church would be held until that time.

“There shall be no more baptisms for the dead, until the ordinance can be attended to in the font of the Lord’s House; and the church shall not hold another general conference, until they can meet in said house. For thus saith the Lord!”[67]

Because of these considerations it is important to note that none of the gatherings where sermons were given after Joseph’s “thus sayeth the Lord declaration” 1841 could be considered official “general conferences” of the church. The funeral of a person gave the prophet the opportunity to speak at a non-official church function. Furthermore, it appears as if even though Joseph continued to speak and teach, he technically was not doing so as one of the prophets and presiding officers of the Church after June 16 1843. It is really rather shocking to realize that Joseph was not acting in an official capacity during the majority of the Nauvoo discourses that are so popularly referred to by scholar, authors and historians, myself included.

Again, Joseph was under a lot of pressure at this time and was showing erratic behavior. Since he had not produced a revelation in quite some time, he was still being accused by some of the Saints of being a fallen prophet. In May of 1844 he had acknowledged:

“my apostate enemies say that I have been a true prophet–& I had rather be a fallen true prophet, than a false prophet” [68]

By acknowledging that he would no longer prophesy for the church and removing himself from the First Presidency, he was making Hyrum the sole president of the Church and he was fulfilling the succession prophecy in Section 43 which foretold that if Joseph continued to abide in the Lord, he would not be replace as the prophet until he was “taken”, the only other prophesied possibility given, is that his replacement would be called by the Lord through Joseph. Had the saints in Nauvoo had this succession protocol/prophecy in mind in 1841 when section 124 was given, it would have been a red flag that Hyrum was being called to work to work in in lkjj with Joseph, and in kljj when Joseph announced in June of 1843, that Hyrum was the sole presiding officer and that Joseph would no longer prophesy for the church, it would have been obvious, that Joseph had fallen from his office and calling. For this reason, it is really somewhat erratic and inconsistent that Joseph was trying to restate himself as a credible and authoritative mouthpiece of God.

Adding to the pressure he was feeling, Sidney Rigdon had emerged from a five year silence to address the Saints in April the year before. During that conference when Sidney was coming back from the dead, and having a love fest with the Saints who had missed his passionate and animated sermons, Joseph was being accused of being a false prophet and trying to calm the people’s fears about his lack of revelatory fruits. At that conference Joseph was somewhat defensive about being accused as a fallen prophet. In an effort to alleviate people’s fears he proclaimed:

“I feel in closer communion, and better standing with God than ever I felt before in my life..”

Following Joseph’s opening remarks Sidney Rigdon arose and gave the audience a tremendous thrill as he gave one of his vintage sermons detailing the early history of the Church. His opening remarks are as follows:

“Elder Sidney Rigdon then rose and said, It is with no ordinary degree of satisfaction, I enjoy this privilege this morning; want of health, and other circumstances have kept me in silence for nearly the last five years.

It can hardly be expected, that when the violence of sickness having used its influence, and the seeds of disease have so long preyed upon me, that I can rise before this congregation.

I am now come forth from a bed of sickness, and have enough of strength left to appear here for the first time in my true character. I have not come before a conference for the last five years in my true character.

I shall consider this important privilege sacred in my family history, during life. I hardly promise myself lungs to make this congregation hear me, I shall do the best I can, and the greatest can do no more. — The circumstances by which we are now surrounded points out the principles of my discourse — the history of this church which I have known from its infancy: my text is, “Behold the church of God of the last days.”[69]

There is reason to believe that the sermon was enthusiastically received by the saints and that it was reminiscent of Sidney’s glory days in Kirtland when he would light the audience on fire with his amazing oratory skills. The emergence of Sidney Rigdon into the limelight must have been a bitter-sweet experience for Joseph who was experiencing a dark time and was under attack for his lack of revelatory fruits.

Joseph and Sidney’s relationship had been pretty rocky during those last several years in Nauvoo and it may be that between Joseph’s accusers calling him a fallen prophet and Sidney new popularity, that there was a little insecurity and jealousy.

Joseph was never considered to be the eloquent, articulate and well educated orator that Sidney was, and the following statement from Joseph in the early part of his King Follett discourse may have been an  innuendo aimed at Rigdon:

“I do not calculate to please your ears with superfluity of words or oratory, or with much learning; but I calculate to edify you with the simple truths from heaven.”

According to the version of the discourse that was recorded in the Times and Seasons, Joseph made the following remarks, referencing the fact that people had been calling him a false teacher and false prophet:

” The apostle says this is eternal life, to know God and Jesus Christ, whom he has sent. If any man enquire what kind of a being is God, if he will search diligently his own heart, if the declaration of the apostle by true, he will realize that he has not eternal life, there can be eternal life on no other principle.

My first object is, to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and if I should be the man to comprehend God, and explain or convey the principles to your hearts so that the spirit seals it upon you, let every man and woman henceforth put their hand on their mouth and never say anything against the man of God again; but if I fail, it becomes my duty to renounce all my pretensions to revelations, inspirations, &c.”

As you can see, Joseph was out to prove that he was still a true prophet by proving that he could still reveal secrets from heaven about the Living God. This was to be the great sermon that would silence his critics that were calling him a false or fallen prophet.

“If any man is authorized to take away my life, who says I am a false teacher: then upon the same principle am I authorized to take away the life of every false teacher, and where would be the end of blood, There is not a man but would breathe out an anathema, if they knew I was a false prophet; and some would feel authorized to take away my life.”

Clearly, there had been accusations about Joseph’s current station with the Lord. Rumors about Joseph’s involvement in polygamy, while making public denials were now calling Joseph’s credibility into question. Was he a false teacher? Possibly there had been threats made against Joseph’s life and he was out to pacify the masses in Nauvoo.

“If I show verily, that I have the truth of God, and show that ninety-nine out of a hundred are false teachers, while they pretend to hold the keys of God, and to kill them because they are false teachers, it would deluge the whole world with blood”

Joseph was apparently feeling threatened by some of the angry Saints who were accusing him of being a false teacher. Although he is not specifically bringing up the controversial teaching of polygamy in this discourse, one has to wonder if that is the central issue that he was being accused of being a false teacher over.

Hyrum had previously presented the revelation on polygamy to the high council, at the request of Joseph, warning them that Joseph had proclaimed it to be true, and warning them that they would be damned if they did not accept it Hyrum was hoping for a unanimous acceptance of it, but three council member rejected it outright on the spot throwing a wrench in the works. It is really quite refreshing to realize that not all of the leaders back in Nauvoo were into prophet worship. Although Hyrum would later try to back-peddle and claim that he had only been speaking about how the principle had been practiced anciently, the cat was now out of the bag. Nauvoo was now abuzz with rumors about Joseph’s doctrinal duplicity and integrity. This sermon was Joseph’s attempt to WOW the masses and reestablished the reverence that they had previously had for God’s anointed servant:

“I want you all to know God, to be familiar with him, and if I can bring you to him, all persecutions against me will cease; you will know that I am his servant, for I speak as one having authority–”

This was his attempt at vindication! Although he could not present his hearers with a new “thus sayeth the Lord” revelation, he could prove that he was still in good standing with the Lord and that he still speaks with authority by revealing truths that had been previously hidden!

“What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to tell you the designs of God to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man.”

What sort of being was God in the beginning?

“First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heavens, is a man like unto one of yourselves, that is the great secret.”

Sadly, the great secret that Joseph was revealing was 100% contrary to the nature and character of the Biblical God that had been taught during the revelatory years of the restoration! This is where Joseph loses Biblical Christians like me.

“If the vail was rent to-day, and the great God, who holds this world in its orbit, and upholds all things by his power; if you were to see him to-day, you would see him in all the person, image and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God; Adam received instruction, walked talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.”

This sweeping declaration is rather vague in that Joseph does not appear to be specifying if he is referencing the Father or the Son, or if he is referring to the Father clothed in the tabernacle of the Son. Nevertheless, his reference to the “great God” would indicate that he is probably speaking about the Father, who was walking with and speaking with Adam. That would be consistent with the narrative in the Book of Moses. It was God the Father walking and talking with Moses in the Garden.

Joseph then makes the following declaration:

“I am going to tell you how God came to be God”

The Father never became God! The Father is not a changeable God and He did not have a beginning. He has always been God from all eternity to all eternity, everlasting to everlasting.

The Times and Seasons version of the sermon next says this:

“We have imagined that God was God from all eternity.”

However, three other independent dairy accounts provide greater detail. They record Joseph as “refuting” the idea that God was God from all eternity. Here is one of them:

“We suppose that God was God from eternity. I will refute that Idea, or I will do away or take away the veil so you may see. It is the first principle to know that we may converse with him and that he once was a man like us, and the Father was once on an earth like us”

Here is another entry:

“..Not God from all Eternity.”

Here is the 3rd entry

refute the Idea that God was God from all eternity”[70]

It is almost incomprehensible that Joseph is refuting the doctrine that God is from all eternity!

Those are the very words contained in the Book of Mormon and the D&C that he was instrumental in bringing forth! Notice the following passage from the Book of Mormon, the book that Joseph translated by the gift and power of God:

“For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.”[71]

Even the Son, because he has received the fulness of the Father, and because the Father dwells within him, is also from all eternity. Notice the testimony of the Book of Mormon which Joseph translated by the gift and power of God, and declared to be the more correct Book:

“For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men.

And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people.

And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.”[72]

The Savior makes the same claim in modern revelation:

“HEARKEN and listen to the voice of him who is from all eternity to all eternity, the Great I AM, even Jesus Christ—

The light and the life of the world; a light which shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not”[73]

Joseph then ramped things up a bit with the following declaration:

“God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.”

Joseph then proceeds to give a rather innovative, if not disruptive interpretation of what Jesus was inferring in John chapter 5,

“I wish I had the trump of an arch angel, I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever; what did Jesus say? (mark it elder Rigdon;) Jesus said, as the Father hat power in himself, even so hath the Son power; to do what? why what the Father did, that answer is obvious; in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus what are you going to do? To lay down my life, as my Father did, and take it up again.—- If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible; the scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it. Here then is eternal life, to know the only wise and true God.

To summarize the storyline, the Pharasees were upset at Jesus for healing a man with an infirmity at a pool during a feast that the Jews were having because it was the sabbath, “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.”

In responding to his accusers, “Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.  For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.”

Joseph’s interpretation would seem logical without the backdrop of all of the scriptures  about the nature and character of God that so blatantly contradict the interpretation that Joseph is giving.

I would submit that what Jesus was really saying, is that “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise… For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself”

That declaration is substantiated in many of the passages we have reviewed in this chapter. Christ is a created being that did not always have life dwelling in him, the Father had to bestow it.

Joseph’s interpretaton is suggestiong that the Father also had to receive his life power and glory from his father, but that is not consistent with God the Fathers declaration to Moses:

“I am that I am”

There is a wealth of scriptural documentation that God is THE Only Self Existing – Sovereign – Omnipotent – Supreme Power in all creation”

Joseph’s claim that there is an endless chain of Gods who have all dwelt on an earth and atoned for the inhabitants of other worlds just a Jesus did for this world.

You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves; to be kings and priests to God the same as all Gods have done; by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as doth those who sit enthroned in everlasting power”

While the diatribe was obviously a passionate one, it was irrational in light of what had already been revealed. It completely contradicts the Bible and the revealed word of God the Joseph brought forth.

The reason that Joseph said “mark it elder Rigdon” when claiming to prove it by the bible is because Sidney Rigdon is the one who had been commissioned by the Lord to prove the revelations from Joseph Smith from the Bible. Sidney who had been silent for the past five years had just recently re-emerged and was now back in the lime-light. Joseph was acknowledging Sidney’s rightful calling to test new revelation against the accepted word of God in the standard works.

Rigdon must have been shocked and horrified at what he was hearing.

The doctrine being espoused was blatantly contradicting scripture, it it problematic at many levels.

According to a multiplicity of scriptural passages, Christ created all worlds and atoned for all of those worlds. His atonement was infinite and eternal. There is no need for separate Saviors to create, people, and atone for each world.

God the Father had no beginning and will have no end. He created the Son in the beginning, for the express purpose of creating all things. There is no place in that sequence for an infinite line of Saviors and Gods.

The confusing thing about all of this is that just days prior to this sermon, Joseph had the following Joseph gave the following counsel in the Times and Seasons:

“If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, set him down as an imposter.[74]

It appears to me that Joseph was not only teaching false doctrine, is was arguably committing blasphemy in his attempt to prove to the Nauvoo Saints that he is not a false teacher or a false prophet.

blas•phe•my
ˈblasfəmē/

noun

  1. the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

Brigham Young would embrace this new theology while people like Rigdon, Marks and Law would be repulsed by it. Interestingly, a large portion of the more doctrinally seasoned members of the church from the Kirtland era chose not to follow Brigham Young and the apostles that followed him, while a large portion of the more doctrinally illiterate converts from the House of Israel chose to follow Brigham Young and the twelve to Utah.

Veteran members and leaders of the church that were grounded in the word of God like William Law were quite disturbed by the new doctrine being taught. He made the following statement in the Nauvoo Expositor;

“and inasmuch as they have introduced false and damnable doctrines into the church, such as a plurality of Gods above the God of this universe, and his liability to fall with all his creations..”[75]

On the other hand, the more recent, doctrinally naive converts from Canada and England loved what they heard. The sermon thrilled many of the city’s Mormons.

“Joseph Fielding, one of the Prophet’s listeners, said, ‘Any one that could not see in him the Spirit of inspiration of God must be dark, they might have known that he was not a fallen Prophet even if they thought he was fallen’.”

Those that followed Brigham would get more false doctrine heaped upon them in the years to come. Brigham would eventually reject the literal interpretation of the creation story, deny the virgin birth accounts in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, and teach the Adam God Doctrine. He would also canonize a section of scripture that completely contradicts what Lectures on Faith and the scriptures teach:

“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of spirit, were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us”[76]

As you can see, between the King Follett Discourse and the heretical teachings of Brigham Young, the foundational truths about the nature and character of God would be forgotten among the saints, leaving them without protection from deception.

In closing out this chapter, it may be appropriate to remind the reader of two passages of scriptures that offer a recurring theme throughout this book. The first is the inspired version of Isaiah 29:10 which stands as a reminder that it was not Joseph’s fault that he taught the false doctrine about God because he was simply acting out the sins of apostate latter day Israel:

“For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep.  For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets; and your rulers, and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity.”

The Lord poured out the spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the prophets and seers of the restoration because the Saints refused to listen to them and obey the law of the gospel. Whether it is Joseph’s ill fated and failed banking venture in Kirtland, his silent condoning of the  Danites, in Far West, or his involvement in polygamy and masonry in Nauvoo, he and the rest of the first laborers of the last kingdom were largely victims of the latter day saint rejection of the fulness back in the early Kirtland years.

The second passage we need to review for added context to this whole can of worms is as follows:

“And thus, if the people of this generation harden not their hearts, I will work a reformation among them, and I will put down all lyings, and deceivings, and priestcrafts, and envyings, and strifes, and idolatries, and sorceries, and all manner of iniquities, and I will establish my church, like unto the church which was taught by my disciples in the days of old.

And now if this generation do harden their hearts against my word, behold I will deliver them up unto Satan, for he reigneth and hath power at this time, for he hath got great hold upon the hearts of the people of this generation”[77]

Listed below is a chronology of major events and proclamations just prior to and following the King Follett Sermon:

January 19 1841 Section 124

*Joseph’s Offering is Accepted

*Hyrum to act in concert (succession Prophecy)

*Fulness of Priesthood Lost

*Saints will not moved out of their place if obedient

*Saints Rejected w/ their dead if Temple not completed

* Teaching more or less than in accepted D&C commeth of evil

June 1 1841 Sidney Rigdon is ordained a prophet seer and revelator

October 1841 Joseph declared that Baptisms for Dead no longer allowed and that there will be no more general conferences until the temple is finished- Lyman Wight claims the Church was rejected with its dead at that time

October 15 1841 Grand Master Jonas grants Nauvoo a charter to open a lodge of Free Masons in Nauvoo

March 16 1842 Joseph rises to the sublime degree of Master Mason in one day

April 1842 President Hyrum Smith declares that the Nauvoo endowment would be the same as it’s Kirtland predecessor

July 1842  Joseph Declares that “We have been chastened by the hand of God heretofore for not obeying His commands, although we never violated any human law, or transgressed any human precept; yet we have treated lightly His commands, and departed from His ordinances, and the Lord has chastened us sore, and we have felt His arm and kissed the rod“.

August 8 1842 Joseph is arrested in relation to attempted murder based on a warrant from Gov Carlin based upon a requisition by Gov Reynolds of Missouri, based upon affidavit of ex-Governor Boggs. He is released but this begins four months of arrest attempts.

February 21 1843 “.. If the Temple and Nauvoo house are not finished you must run away.. our salvation depends upon it… ” “if we did not build the temple & Nauvoo house it would proove the ruin of the place that if we did not build those buildings we might as well leave the place & that it was as necessary to build one as the other..””

July 16 1843 Joseph proclaims he will not prophecy for the church- Hyrum is the prophet

March 27 1843 Joseph falsely accuses Sidney Rigdon of conspiring with William C Bennett against Joseph

January 29 1844 Joseph Smith decides to run for President of the United States

April 5 1844 Joseph attends dedication of Masonic Temple
April 6 1844 Sidney Rigdon emerges to give discourse after five years of silence
**April 7 1844 King Follett Discourse**

April 11 1844 Joseph Smith is crowned King of Israel

June 7 1844 Nauvoo Expositor: William Law publishes the Nauvoo Expositor and exposes Joseph’s polygamy and false teaching about nature of God and calls for a reformation of the church. Points covered in the Expositor:

1. The Book of Mormon is True

2. The restoration of the gospel back in the early Kirtland era was true

3. The original doctrines taught in the early Kirtland ear were true

4. The revelations contained in the Book of Commandments were true

5. The restored Church had strayed from the straight and narrow path

6. The Church was associating with and participating in secret societies

7. Joseph had been a true prophet but was now a fallen prophet

8. Joseph was publicly preaching against polygamy but was secretly practicing it

9. Joseph had falsely taught that God the father is a changeable God who had progressed from a mortal state to that of Godhood. He taught that there were many Gods above God the Father.

10 The Church needed to repent and reform

June 27 1844  Martyrdom

[1] See Lectures 3 & 4

[2] Lecture 4:4-10

[3] Alma 32:21

[4] Hebrews 11:1

[5] Hebrews 11:3

[6] D&C 88:75

[7] D&C 130:7

[8] 2 Nephi 27:5 See also Isa 19:10

[9] 2 Tim 4:3

[10] D&C 1:32,33 See also D&C 93:36-39

[11] 2nd Nephi 28:30

[12] D&C 93:36-40

[13] JST Matt 1: 37

[14] Moses 1:1-11

[15] Many Biblical Christians deny that God can be seen by man which is curious given the fact that the Bible contained testimony that some of the ancient prophets have. See Gen 32:30, Exod 33:11

[16] Moses 1:12-18

[17] Isaiah 45:5-6

[18] Hebrews 1:-2

[19] John 10:32-36 See also Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High

[20] D&C 121:12-18

[21] D&C 121:32

[22] Abraham 4:1-3 The term Gods was changed to use a lower case “g” by the author for clarity. It is his opinion that that is the appropriate way to spell the word in that text.

[23] Exodus 3:14

[24] John 5:26

[25] Lecture 3:12-25 http://lecturesonfaith.com/3.php

[26] Lecture 3:7 See also Job: 11:7-9 and Romans 10:14-15

[27] Jer 32:17 Ps 147:5, , Mormon 8:17, Alma 26:35

[28] 2 Nephi 2:24, D&C 38:22

[29] D&C93:1

[30] D&C 88:106-107

[31] Romans 8:16-17

[32] John  17:20-24

[33] http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/946/what-does-it-mean-to-be-an-heir-of-god-and-a-joint-heir-with-christ

[34] http://thirdmill.org/newfiles/jac_arnold/NT.Arnold.Rom.40.pdf

[35][35] D&C 35:2

[36] Moses 6:64-68

[37] Philippians 2:5-11

[38] D&C 5:16 “And behold, whosoever believeth on my words, them will I visit with the manifestation of my Spirit; and they shall be born of me, even of water and of the Spirit—”

[39] 1  D&C 93:1 “VERILY, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am”

[40] JST Luke 10:23

[41] JST Matthew 11:28

[42] Mosiah 15:1-5

[43] John 5:38

[44] http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/ZebC.html

[45] Lecture 5:2

[46] John 5:43

[47] http://ldsscriptureteachings.org/2010/11/16/jesus-christ-father-by-divine-investiture-of-authority/

[48] D&C 29:1

[49] D&C 38:1-4

[50] John 7:28-29

[51] John 8:42

[52] John 14:28

[53] Mosiah 14: 1-6

[54] See John 1:18, 3:16, 18, Hebrew 11:17 1 John 4:9, 2 Nephi 25:12,  Jacob 4:5, 4:11, D&C 20:21, 29:42, etc.

[55] Moses 1:6

[56] D&C 93:2,

[57] Colossians 1:16

[58] Romans 8:29

[59] According to some scholars, these verses, at referring to  Jesus Christ AS THE LOGOS, that was the very FIRST ACT OF PRODUCTION OR CREATION, the very FIRST CREATION of the Father — His FIRSTBORN SON WAS CREATED BY A SEMINAL ACT OF CREATION! How the Father, the ONE GOD, brought into being the Word, Logos, or Son, we have not been told, it is a mystery.  Apparently, He took “part” of Himself, from within His own eternal spirit, and fashioned it into the “Logos.”  When He made Him, He made Him to be VERY GOD — even as He, the Father, is very God — but lesser in authority!  In the beginning, there was ONE GOD.  Then, in subsequent time of “beginning,” God “reproduced” Himself, and formed or created a SON!  Thus the Son was indeed the “first BORN” of all creation — the BEGINNING of the Creation and the First Step in God’s Creative Plan!

[60] Heb.1:4-7

[61] Mosiah 4:6

[62] Ether 3:14

[63] John 20:17, D&C 88:75

[64] John 17:5

[65] “The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father…” Implying that before Christ was “made” or “fashioned” he was in the bosom of the father. “There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father”

[66] D&C 1:15-16

[67] See October 3, 1841 sermon http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1841/3Oct41.html

[68] http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1844/12May44.html

[69] General Conference Minutes of the Church, April, 1844  http://www.boap.org/LDS/History/History_of_the_Church/Vol_VI

[70]  In 1893 the RLDS church published their abstract of the “TempleLot Case” which included this testimony from James Whitehead:

I heard what is known as the ‘King Follett’ sermon preached. That sermon was published. Joseph Smith did not in that sermon teach the plurality of gods. This was only a partial report of Whitehead’s statement, however. The following significant lines in the original transcript were omitted in the abstract: He did not that I know of. If he did I did not hear it, but I was not there all the time he was preaching for I was called out for a time.” Transcript of the “Temple Lot Case, ”James Whitehead Testimony, p. 45, LDS Church Ar-chives See also http://www.academia.edu/10306396/MORMON_MISCELLANEOUS_1_JOSEPH_SMITHS_KING_FOLLETT_DISCOURSE_TEXTUAL_HISTORY_AND_CRITICISM

[71] Moroni 8:18

[72] Mosiah 3:5-8

[73] D&C 39:1-2

[74] Times & Seasons, April 1, 1844,

[75] http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/exposit1.htm

[76] D&C 130:22

[77] Book of Commandments 4:5

[1] John 20:17, D&C 88:75 [2] John 17:5 [3] D&C 1:15-16 [4] http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1844/7Apr44.html [5] See October 3, 1841 sermon http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1841/3Oct41.html [6] General Conference Minutes of the Church, April, 1844  http://www.boap.org/LDS/History/History_of_the_Church/Vol_VI [7] Moroni 8:18 [8] Mosiah 3:5-8 [9] D&C 39:1-2 [10] http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/exposit1.htm [11] D&C 130:22 [12] Book of Commandments 4:5


The Secret Bloodline

March 26, 2015

Chapter 9
The Secret Re-establishment of the Davidic Dynasty
Reuniting of the Kingdom of Israel and The Kingdom of Judah
The Secret Reason for Polygamy
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During the nearly seven years that I have been blogging I have had several people ask me to explain who the Jews and Gentiles are in the scriptures and why it is relevant to the Latter day Saint restoration movement.  They want to know why tribal lineage was important anciently and if it continues to be important in modern times. In this chapter I will briefly discuss this.

Many Protestants that claim to be Biblical Christians see absolutely no significance in tracing lineal descent because they are oblivious to, or simply don’t believe the doctrine of British Israelism[1]. They consider themselves to be Gentiles that do not originate from the House of Israel. Even many Mormons are oblivious to the fact that modern revelation is pregnant with the doctrine. My contention is that it is essential to understand this amazing doctrine in order to understand who we are and where we come from. Furthermore, it is essential to understand this in order to understand the events of end times prophecy. For this reason, we need to briefly address this topic.

It is really important to understand how and why the twelve tribes of Israel were split up as a kingdom after the death of Solomon and the prophecies that related to this historical event. Ancient prophets foretold the great mystery about how the divided kingdom would eventually be reunited by a descendant of King David, prior to the return of the Lord and the final establishment of Zion. I believe Joseph Smith is the Davidic Servant spoken of in prophecy and that he began the process of restoring the two houses of Israel and their fragmented branches during  the second watch. This grafting together of the House of Israel into the Gentile church was prophesied of by Christ in 3 Nephi 16. Although Joseph began this grafting process in the 2nd watch, he will complete the process in the third watch. Interestingly, the following passage from the allegory in Jacob seems to have reference to the mystical reuniting of the fragmented kingdom.

“And the branches of the natural tree will I graft in again into the natural tree; And the branches of the natural tree will I graft into the natural branches of the tree; and thus will I bring them together again, that they shall bring forth the natural fruit, and they shall be one.”[2]

Book of Mormon Terminology

The Book of Mormon people such as the Nephites and Lamanites are sometimes called “Jews”, and “House of Israel”. The term “Jew” in the scriptures is sometimes used in a broad sense, to generally refer to the “House of Israel” and other times it is used in a more limited sense, referring to the tribe of Judah or remnants of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.

Conversely, the Book of Mormon refers to the American pilgrims from England that settled in America and their descendents, including many of the American settlers that accepted the gospel at the time of Joseph Smith’s early ministry, as “Gentiles”.

What many Mormons don’t realize is that Christ makes reference to the LDS converts that would migrate to Nauvoo from the British Isles after the early Kirtland years, as the “House of Israel”, tribally differentiating them from the believing and unbelieving “gentiles” already located in America.

Few people catch that because they assume that the rejection of the Gospel by the Gentiles as prophesied by Christ in 3 Nephi 16, is referring to a period of time that is yet future. Some fundamentalists might contend that the rejection of the fulness of the gospel took place at the turn of the century when the church began rejecting the practice of polygamy and other heretical doctrines taught by Brigham Young.

Other fringe groups contend that we have seen this event take place more recently or that it is still a future event. Nevertheless, it is clearly documented in several chapters of this book, that the fulness was offered and rejected to the newly restored gentile church between 1831-1834.

Prior to the dedication of the Kirtland Temple in 1836 the restored church was primarily composed of “Gentiles”. After the second great apostasy in Kirtland, many of the gentiles of the restored church defected from the church. Shortly after that, Joseph Smith announced that “something new must be done for the salvation of the church” and he began grafting other branches of the House of Israel into the church. He did this by commissioning the Twelve apostles to establish foreign missions.

It is no coincidence that it took about five years for the witnesses of the Book of Mormon to finally get around to obeying God’s commission to identify and call a quorum of Twelve Apostles. It is no coincidence that they were not called and ordained until AFTER the fulness had been rejected. It was no coincidence that their ministry took place while they as a quorum were in a full blown apostasy. Their initial calling was not to be endowed with power from on high and go forth for the last time, as described in section one of the D&C. Unlike the high priests that were referred to as the first laborers of the last kingdom that would go forth in power, they had a preliminary assignment from the Lord.

God was actually using them for a special interim purpose. On the surface, we are informed that they were taking the knowledge of the fulness of the gospel, as contained in the Book of Mormon, to the world so that those with believing blood could be nourished with God’s holy word during the four generation “little season” of chastisement and learning that we are currently in. This period of nourishment from reading the word of God that was delivered through Joseph Smith is what helps to keep the roots of the tree alive according to the allegory in Jacob. However if we drill down deep enough, a parallel narrative emerges. The Lord was using Joseph Smith and these good brethren of the Twelve to restore an ancient Kingdom to the earth.

Because of the apostate condition of the Twelve Apostles, Thomas March was concerned about his brethren of the Twleve and he petitioned the Lord, through Joseph Smith to provide greater understanding about what the calling of the Twelve entailed and how they would be brought out of their darkened state. In answer to this petition, a revelation to Thomas Marsh and the Twelve was received. It is documented in  section 112. In it, the Lord informs them that they are recipients of a priesthood that came down from the patriarchal fathers:

For unto you, the Twelve, and those, the First Presidency, who are appointed with you to be your counselors and your leaders, is the power of this priesthood given, for the last days and for the last time, in the which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
31 Which power you hold, in connection with all those who have received a dispensation at any time from the beginning of the creation;
32 For verily I say unto you, the keys of the dispensation, which ye have received, have come down from the fathers, and last of all, being sent down from heaven unto you.

Of course they were currently living during the dispensation of the “last days” that began with the new testament apostles taking the gospel to the gentiles. The dispensation of the “last days” lasts for a long time and it incorporates other dispensations within it. It will eventually incorporate the dispensation of the “fulness of times”. Several years later, in 1842, Joseph would note that the dispensation of the fulness of times was just beginning to be ushered in. (See D&C 128:18) Additional comments from Joseph Smith and passages from Section 124 revealed that the fulness would not be ushered in until the Saints repented and completed the Nauvoo Temple.

But getting back to section 112, given to the Twelve Apostles in 1837, notice which dispensational “keys”  had already been ushered in, and given to the First Presidency and the Twelve, it was a dispensation that had “come down from the fathers“!

It is remarkable that even though Joseph and Oliver had been commanded to not reveal the details of the secret visitation of Christ and the patriarchal fathers, as documented in section 110, the Lord himself was making explicit reference to it in this revelation. Anyone paying attention to the details of this revelation must have been scratching their heads wondering when these dispensational keys from the Old Testament “fathers” had been delivered. It is remarkable that because the documentation of this sacred event was preserved, those of us living in a future generation realize that the patriarchal fathers spoken of in section 112 are represented by Abraham, Moses and Elijah. Some of the early unpublished revelations referred to this ancient priesthood as the “evangelical priesthood”, referring to the fact that Abraham was an evangelists that converted people to the gospel. Other revelations and teachings of Joseph Smith referred to this priesthood as “patriarchal priesthood” and the “priesthood of Abraham”, etc.

Although the High Priests that had been ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood would have to wait until the third watch before they would receive their endowment of power from on high and go forth among the nations for the last time, an amazing interim event was taking place to keep the roots alive. The quorum of the twelve had been ordained with the keys of the priesthood of Abraham, and were now engaged on a mission endeavor that would begin reuniting the ancient Kingdom of Judah with the ancient kingdom of Israel.

Because of the success of this new missionary endeavor, converts from the House of Israel began migrating from the British Isles to Nauvoo. This period of time saw the tribal ancestry of the church membership begin to transition as various branches of the dispersed tribes of Israel began to be grafted back in to the “natural tree” that had branches that had become wild.

Little did these apostles realize that God was using them to re-establish the Davidic Kingdom that had been prophesied of anciently.

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The Book of Mormon does not speak highly about the gentile church that Joseph Smith restored.

Most of the prophecies in the book of Mormon about the problems with the restored gentile church are referring to the restored Gentile church at the time of Joseph Smith’s ministry. They are not referring to those of us living four generations later, although much of the criticism is certainly applicable to us, since we have inherited much of the false tradition of our fathers.

For instance in Mormon 8, when the Gentiles are reprimanded for transfiguring the holy word of God and of polluting the Holy Church of God, it is the Kirtland Saints living during Joseph Smith’s ministry that is being specifically referred to, not us. Mormon 8 is primarily referencing the rejection of the gospel by the Gentiles as prophesied of by Christ in 3 Nephi 16. The holy Church of God and the fulness of priesthood that always accompanies it, has not been on the earth since that time. It has not been on the earth for four generations.  The term “Holy Church of God” when used in Mormon 8, and in modern revelation, refers to the “true and living Church” that briefly emerged for a period of 3 1/2 years, that was attempting to embraces the fulness of the gospel and priesthood.

The Holy Church of God Fled back into the Wilderness

The timeline chart shown below that was introduced in an early chapter illustrates that the holy Church and kingdom of God came forth out of the wilderness for 3  1/2 years, just as John the Revelator and the Book of Daniel prophesied that it would. Following that, the Saints would be overcome until the ancient of days returns.

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The 3 1/2 year period that the fulness would be offered and ultimately rejected by the Saints, began in June of 1831 when the fulness of priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm and 23 high priests were called by the voice of God out of heaven. It then fled back into the wilderness as soon as the saints cumulatively broke the everlasting covenant as foretold in Isaiah 24.

Exactly 3 1/2 years after the Melchizedek priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm, the Lord gave a revelation declaring that the saints and their leaders were under condemnation and needed to have a reformation in ALL THINGS. Shortly after that, the Lord announced that the covenant of consecration had been broken and that the Saints must wait for a little season to live the law of Zion and the heavens began to close.

LDS scholars and apologists tell us that the heretical teachings that infiltrated the church during the Nauvoo period, that contradicted the early teachings during the revelatory period during the early Kirtland years, were the result of progressive revelation. They contend that Joseph was  more illuminated and revelatory in Nauvoo, than he had been in Kirtland. But I would suggest that is not the case. The eyes of the seers were being covered after the fulness was rejected, just as Isaiah had prophesied. Progressive revelation always builds upon and complements previous revelation, it never contradicts it. The above chart shows that the first five and a half years of Joseph’s public ministry represented the revelatory sweet spot of the LDS restoration movement. Over 100 canonized revelations came forth during that time. Only about 20 came during the remaining ten years! The heavens were closing as the saint rejected the fulness and progressed further into apostasy.

Brigham Young’s use of the terms Jews and Gentiles

Further complicating things for Mormon’s trying to make sense out of all of this Jew and Gentile lingo, is the fact that Brigham Young referred to non-members of the church categorically as “Gentiles” and members of the church categorically as Israel. Brigham’s uses of these terms is not congruent with how the terms are used in the Book of Mormon.

As noted earlier, one of the great secrets of Mormonism is that the gathering of converts to Nauvoo from the British Isles represented the gathering of remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah as well as other remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel.

Interestingly, Brigham Young also used the term Jew differently than the Book of Mormon does, insisting that the Jews would not believe in Christ before they are gathered. He felt they would not accept Christ until after everyone else had the opportunity for salvation.[3] Conversely, the Book of Mormon teaches that the Jews would begin to believe and then gather in the last days as a result of their belief in Christ[4]. One of the great irony’s is that many of the Saints that followed Brigham Young to Utah were remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah. Indeed, it is completely conceivable if not probable, that Brigham Young himself was a descendant of the ancient House of David and kingdom of Judah.

Kingdom of Judah = Jews
Kingdom of Israel = Gentiles

To provide a little broader context for the use of these terms and for better understanding the prophecy in 3rd Nephi, I am going to need to get into a little bit of history[5].

I believe the Lord intended this topic to be confusing so that prophecy can take place. There is a reason why most latter days saints don’t really understand who they are, because in order for things to prophetically play out the way they are going to, these people need to be oblivious to the fact that most of the major last days prophecies about “Jerusalem” and “Babylon” and the “Jews” are going to take place in America, not the Old World. Because of this, they will not understand the prophetic events that are taking place around them until it is too late.

In modern revelation the word Babylon is used about nine times. Sometimes it is referring to spiritual Babylon which is a perverse and pervasive worldwide spiritual sickness that worldly people have, other times it is referring to a geographical area referred to in other scriptures as Babylon the Great, which the elect are commanded to flee from at the appointed time. Obviously it is not talking about the Babylon of the Old World. Clearly, America is the center place that is referred to in end times prophecy as Babylon the Great.

America represents the right arm of destruction of the great latter day kingdom that pollutes and oppresses all other kingdoms. America is the most evil war mongering empire in the entire world ( which is secretly governed by sinister forces that can be traced through the Crown to the Vatican). Those that are still looking to the Old World as the Babylon of the end times simply don’t understand prophecy, and rightly so. The masses are always taken by surprise by the fulfillment of prophecy. God has covered the eyes of the people.

Historical Background of the two Houses of Israel

Anciently the twelve tribes of Israel had lived as a federation under leaders referred to as “Judges” until the people chose to have a King rule them. At that time, their system of government transitioned into a monarchy and they became the United Kingdom of Israel, ruled by a king. It was first led by King Saul, then King David, and then David’s son, King Solomon. David and Solomon began a dynasty that would ultimately be divided during the reign of Solomon’s son, Rehoboam, but according to prophecy, the Davidic dynasty would re-emerge in the last days. According to ancient prophecy, once it emerges, a king from the Davidic bloodline will continue to sit on the throne until Christ and his servants return to the vineyard.

Eventually, after the death of Solomon, the kingdom was led by Solomon’s son Rehoboam who taxed the people heavily. Because of this, part of the kingdom rebelled, splitting the United Kingdom of Israel, into two kingdoms, a northern kingdom and a southern kingdom. The southern kingdom was called the “kingdom of Judah” which was composed mainly of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, and a portion of the Levites. This kingdom continued to be led by Rehoboam who reigned for about 17 years.

The northern “Kingdom of Israel” was composed of the remaining tribes. The tribe of Levi represented the priests responsible for overseeing the sacrifices and statutes and temple rites. They were not granted land inheritances because of their priestly calling. It is not insignificant that this priestly tribe was divided in the midst of both kingdoms.  The kingdom of Israel was initially led by Jeroboam, an Ephraimite. It is believed that he reigned for about 22 years.

Long story short, both kingdoms sinned before God[6]. Because of this, both kingdoms lost the land they had been given and were moved out of their place of geographical land inheritances[7]. The kingdom of Judah was dispersed from their lands while the kingdom of Israel was cast out of the Lords sight. Eventually these two groups would be referred to as the “dispersed of Judah” and the “outcasts of Israel”.

Despite being dispersed, the Kingdom of Judah retained their tribal identity while the outcasts of Israel mingled among the gentile nations, remained scattered, and lost their tribal identity along with the integrity and purity of their lineal tribal bloodline.

The Jews from the kingdom of Judah later gathered back to the Old World Jerusalem and reconstituted their tribal kingdom prior to New Testament times, within the Roman Empire. These are the Jews Christ dealt with during His ministry in the meridian of time.

The Kingdom of Israel, was losing their identity by assimilating into the gentile nations. They did not reconstitute their kingdom like the Jews did. Rather, they remained somewhat scattered during New Testament times. Nevertheless, reference is made to them by the Disciples of Christ in the New Testament.[8]

After the Jews rejected Christ during the meridian of time, they were once again “destroyed” as a kingdom and “dispersed” and “scattered among the nations” even though the scriptures continue to refer to them as “Jews” and “House of Israel”. It is because of this that the law of adoption becomes necessary in the latter days when God gathers his people and needs to cleanse them with a spiritual rebirth.

When Joseph Smith declared that something new must be done for the salvation of the church and began establishing foreign missions, he noted that the missionaries were being sent to gather the “the outcasts of Israel” (remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel) and “the dispersed of Judah” (remnants of the ancient Kingdom of Judah).

In modern times the remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel (outcasts of Israel) are generally referred to “gentiles” because they have been scattered among the gentile nations and have mingled their seed and bloodlines with the gentile nations. Many of these gentiles ended up in America prior to the LDS restoration. There are generally two classifications of Gentiles living in America according to the book of Mormon,

1) the believing Gentiles and

2) the unbelieving Gentiles.

The book of Mormon reminds us that as many of the Geniles as believe, are the covenant people of the Lord:[9]

The kingdom of Judah (Jews) in the New Testament were scattered after they rejected Christ. At this time, they also finally lost their tribal identity, just as the kingdom of Israel did. Nevertheless, the scriptures continue to refer to them as the Jews and the House of Israel. This may be simply for reasons of differentiating them from the other kingdom, or it may be that they have largely been able to reproduce within their tribal heritage.

An understanding of this history is important for many reasons. One is that it provides valuable context for the prophecy that Christ gives in the 3rd Nephi 16. The influx of people that converted to the knowledge of the fulness of the gospel and migrated to America as a result of the foreign missions established by the quorum of the Twelve, are referred to as the House of Israel by Christ, in contradistinction to the gentile saints from the Kirtland era. These converts  were had the same general appearance as the gentile saints they were being grafted into. They were largely clueless about their tribal heritage descending from the ancient kingdom of Judah.

The Real Jews Begin to Believe Before Being Gathered

The Book of Mormon informs us that the Jews will begin to believe before they are gathered in the last days. Again, this is referring to the converts coming to America from the British Isles. The So-called Jews that began gathering to the Old World Jerusalem in the 1940’s do not believe in Christ. This is one of many reasons we know that they are not the Jews spoken of in prophecy.

When the LDS restoration movement began, most of the American settlers that responded to the call of the restored Gospel during the Kirtland era, were “Gentiles” who had originated from the kingdom of Israel. Hence the Lord revealed in February of 1834 (D&C 103) that these gentiles saints of the restoration were the latter day Children of Israel:

“For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham”

In section 109, the Lord referred to Joseph Smith and the first elders of the church as the “sons of Jacob”

“That from among all these, thy servants, the sons of Jacob, may gather out the righteous to build a holy city to thy name, as thou hast commanded them.”

But in the same section, he also acknowledged that they are “Identified with the Gentiles” or called, gentiles, because their tribal ancestors had been mingled among the nations:

“Now these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee, concerning the revelations and commandments which thou hast given unto us, who are identified with the Gentiles.”

The Secret Re-establishment of the House of David and Judah

One of the great secrets of the LDS restoration movement is that shortly after the rejection of the fulness of the Gospel, a secret intervention took place that greatly changed the trajectory of the church and the following events began to take place:

1-  The Lord had mercy on the children of Jacob
2- The Lord began to redeem Jerusalem (in America)
3- The yoke of bondage began to be broken off of the House of David.
4- The Children of Judah began to return to the lands in America that the Lord promised to Abraham their father[10]

The dedicatory prayer offered up in the Kirtland Temple provided an intercessory prayer by Joseph and others petitioning that “Jerusalem” would begin to be redeemed from that very hour and that the yoke of bondage would “begin” to be broken off of the  “house of David”, and that the “children of Judah” would begin to return to the lands of the Abrahamic land covenant (America)

“We therefore ask thee to have mercy upon the children of Jacob, that Jerusalem, from this hour, may begin to be redeemed; And the yoke of bondage may begin to be broken off from the house of David; And the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father.”

The above passages have nothing to do with the land of Jerusalem in the Old World or with the Ashkenazi Jews that are claiming the Old World Jerusalem as the lands of their inheritance. The smokescreen gathering that took place in the Old World in about 1948 that was financed by the Rockefellers, did not begin in 1836. It began over 100 years later. Nothing happened “from that very hour” in the Old World.

What was happening from that very hour was the restoration of the keys of gathering followed by the establishment of foreign missions to take the message of the gospel to the remnants of the House of David and the Children of Judah and to gather them to the land of America that God had promised as the Abrahamic land covenant land to ALL of the tribes of Israel. The ancient prophecies pertaining to the house of David and the kingdom of David were beginning to take place even though the eyes of the saints were blinded to what was going on.

The Secret Prophecy and Vision

In fulfillment of the obscure petition documented in section 109, the Lord secretly appeared to Joseph and Oliver on the eighth day after the dedicatory prayer and accepted the temple. This appearance was followed by angelic messengers who secretly ushered in the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, which opened up the way for the petition in the dedicatory prayer to be fulfilled. Additionally, Joseph and Oliver were given the keys of the gathering of Israel by Moses so that the scattered remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah could “begin” to believe, and to gather.  (one of the trademarks of modern Mormonism is that they only “begin” to believe. They have not been able to accept the fulness of the gospel, they can only accept a preparatory gospel)

During that visitation Elijah the prophet declared that the keys of the ancient dispensation that would enable the hearts of the fathers to the children, and children to the fathers, had been fully restored. He was referencing not only the dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham that had just taken place, but also  the fact that he, Elijah the Tishbite, who was also known as John the Baptist, during New Testament times, had restored these keys of an ancient priesthood to Joseph and Oliver seven years earlier. (See section 13.)

It was the ancient priesthood keys that were delivered by the appearance of our ancient fathers, Abraham, Elijah and Moses that the Twelve apostles had been commissioned with in section 112!

The history of the church provides documentation that Joseph did organize the Quorum of the Twelve apostles and sent missionaries to Canada, and Great Britain, etc., to begin this amazing gathering of the House of David, the Children of Judah, and other remnants of ancient Israel, in fulfillment to the petition offered in section 109, as well as the prophecies in the OT. This event also fulfills the prophecy of Christ in 3 Nephi 16.

Following the events that took place during the eight day string of rituals in the Kirtland Temple, wherein the petition was offered and granted, the message of the gospel was taken to those of the House of David and the Children of Judah, as well as remnants of the ancient kingdom of Israel. Many of the converts that began flowing into Nauvoo from across the ocean are remnants of the ancient kingdom of Judah as well as some of the scattered remnants from the ancient kingdom of Israel. These remnants are sometimes referred to as the “Jews” and as the “house of Israel”. (The Book of Mormon sometimes uses those two terms interchangeably)

3rd Nephi 16

Below I am going to break down the prophecy of Christ into three distinct historical events. The first two have taken place. The last one is about to take place.

The prophecy of Christ in 3rd Nephi details this exact sequence:

Part 1- The Gentiles Reject the fulness that is offered for 3 1/2 years between June 1831 and December of 1834

“And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles (Latter day restored church of Christ) shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.”

Part 2- The “knowledge” of the fulness of the gospel is taken from the Gentiles to the House House of Israel: Joseph Smith declares that the Lord has revealed to him that “Something new must be done for the salvation of the Church”. He then established foreign missions to take the “knowledge of the gospel” to the “Outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah”. Thousands of converts began flowing into Nauvoo and eventually to Utah. Following the succession crisis, the Jewish members of the Church overtook the leadership positions of the church and the Gentiles no longer had priesthood power over the remnants of Judah. The kingdom of Judah was secretly re-established in the last days and is now disguised as the church that was restored through the instrumentality of Joseph Smith

And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Part 3- In the third watch, the original servants of God will return and repent at the conclusion of the acceptable atonement offering. The fulness of the gospel will then be restored and the dispensation of the fulness of times and the Marvelous work will be ushered in and the righteous and repentant among both houses of Israel during the last four generations will be reunited in fulfillment of prophecy.

“But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.”

four generations

One of the great secrets is that we are currently living during the dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham, not the dispensation of the fulness of the Gospel. As you can see from the above illustration, the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham lasts for about four generations after the church is rejected with their dead. Following that, Christ and his servants return to the vineyard, a remnant of the gentiles will repent and the fulness will once again be ushered in.

To recap our brief history lesson; the united kingdom of Israel was divided and both houses were eventually dispersed. The remnants of the Kingdom of Judah retained their identity and returned to Jerusalem where they cumulatively rejected Christ’s ministry. Conversely, the remnants of the Kingdom of Israel were cast out of the Lords sight, and they mingled among the gentile nations and lost their tribal identity. As prophesied by Christ, the remnants of the Kingdom of Judah that had rejected Christ during the meridian of time had their kingdom destroyed and the survivors were dispersed once again. This time they lost their tribal identity as well even though the scriptures continue to refer to them as the House of Israel and the Jews.

The Reuniting of Two Kingdoms in the Latter days

Having just reviewed a brief summary of the division of the united kingdom of Israel anciently and the fact that Joseph Smith and the Twelve Apostles were instrumental in grafting some of the branches together during the LDS restoration movement, let us now review some of the ancient prophecies that foretold the re-establishment of the United Kingdom of Israel and the re-emergence of the Davidic Dynasty. It is important to realize that according to ancient prophecy, one of the things that the Davidic descendant of David does, is to reunite the two kingdoms together again. This is largely what Joseph Smith was doing when he established foreign missions!

Listed below are some of the Old Testament prophecies relating to the reuniting of the two general branches of Israel. Keep in mind that the reuniting of the two kingdoms is a process that takes place over a substantial period of time. It began during Joseph Smith’s ministry in the 2nd watch, but is not finalized until the return of God’s servant and the beginning of the Marvelous work in the 3rd watch:

Zachariah

“And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them”.[11]

Jeremiah

“In those days and in that time,’ says the LORD, ‘the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together; with continual weeping they shall come, and seek the LORD their God. They shall ask the way to Zion, with their faces toward it, saying, “Come and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that will not be forgotten”

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more”. [12]

Ezekiel

The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all[13]

Isaiah

AND there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.[14]

Another great secret is that Joseph Smith is the descendant of King David that was to restore the two ancient houses of Israel back into one kingdom and establish the throne of David which was to continue until the secret return of the Lord of the vineyard and his servant.

Now lets go back into the Old Testament passages and drill down a little bit regarding God’s promises to King David. An important part of the King David narrative is that David desired to build a house for the Lord to dwell in but did not build it because the Lord would not allow David to build it.

“Thus sayeth the Lord, thou shalt not build me a house to live in”[15]

Although Bible scholars do not all agree as to why the Lord did not allow David to build the house although it appears as if it is because of wars and the shedding of blood that David had been involved it[16]. It becomes clear from the text and the hindsight of thousands of years, that it was not the appointed time for the particular house that was being spoken of.

It is documented in both 1 Chronicles 17 and 2nd Samuel 7 that through Nathan the prophet the Lord told David about a descendant of his that would build a house for the Lord and that the Lords people would not be moved out of their place anymore:

1 Chronicles 17

Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning..”

 It is apparent from history, as documented in the Bible, that the Lord was referring to a time in the latter days when he would plant his people in their appointed place and they would be moved no more. It nevertheless appeared, at the time it was given, as if the Lord is referring to the reign of David’s son Solomon.

A few passages later the Lord informs David that a descendant of his will be raised up and the Lord would establish his kingdom. ,

 

“And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.”

 Again, the above prophecy is speaking about the emergence of a descendant of David in the last days whose throne will be established for evermore. The same narrative is contained in 2 Samuel 7 but with greater detail.

 2nd Samuel 7

 “Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies.  Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

I will be his father, and he shall be my son.  If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.[17]

 We have previously established the fact that the above prophecy is not speaking of Jesus as the literal fulfillment, he can only be considered a vague, shadow fulfillment for several reasons, including the fact that he never committed sin.  We also know that it cannot be speaking of Solomon because he was not chastened by the rod of man and he was not successful in establishing the throne of David with the posterity of King David sitting in the throne perpetually until the Lord of the vineyard returns. The Lord told Solomon that He would rend the kingdom during the reign of Solomon’s son, which happened..

Nevertheless, many Bible scholars erroneously assume that the descendant spoken of is referring to Solomon. Indeed it becomes evident that David thought the prophecy was referring to his son Solomon[18] indeed, the Lord does inform David that his son Solomon would build a house with the conditional promise that if he remained faithful, his kingdom would endure and he would be the one to fulfill the prophecy in its fullness.

David’s son Solomon also assumed the prophecy was about himself and during the dedication of Solomon’s temple he pronounced himself to be the fulfillment of the prophecy and then petitioned the Lord to verify it.

The dedicatory prayer is very much worth reading. It is remarkable how the dedicatory prayer in the Kirtland Temple mirrors it in several ways. Here are some pertinent questions to be asked. 

Does the Lord verify that Solomon is the descendant of King David that is to build the temple of the Lord?

Does the remainder of Solomon’s life fit the prophetic profile of the prophecy?

The answer is no on both accounts.

With regard to the verification that Solomon requested from the Lord, the Lord spake to Solomon for the second time as follows:

“AND it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king’s house, and all Solomon’s desire which he was pleased to do,

2  That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.

3  And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

4  And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:

5  Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

7  Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

8  And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?

9  And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

As you can see, the Lord’s promise to Solomon that the kingdom would be established forever, with a king on the throne over the united kingdom of Israel, was a conditional one with a stern warning that if Solomon should turn from the Lord and serve other gods, and worship them, then the Lord would cut Israel off out of the Land, defile the temple and the United Kingdom of Israel would be cast out of the Lord’s site and would become a proverb and a byword.

Needless to say, that is exactly what eventually happened. Solomon did sin and his kingdom was divided as a result

Provided below are five places where the promise from God to David is mentioned, regarding a descendant of David that would establish the throne of David.

The following table shows side by side comparisons of the initial Davidic promise, the two accounts of David asking for verification from the Lord that he was the one to fulfill the prophecy, and the two accounts of the conditional verification that God gave him. Bible scholars often get mesmerized by these accounts and neglect to focus on the hard reality that Solomon failed to meet the terms of God’s conditional promise. :

The Davidic Promise
There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel

table 1
After Solomon became very wise, wealthy and famous, he married pagan wives and forsook the Lord, and began worshiping other gods.

The Lord Revokes the Promise as it Relates to Solomon

Following Solomon’s transgressions, the Lord spoke to Solomon a third time informing him that he had not been faithful and that his kingdom would be rend from him during the reign of his son:

And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

10  And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.

11  Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.

12  Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father’s sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

13  Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake which I have chosen.[19]

Clearly, the dynasty was broken during the reign of Rehoboam. Jeroboam, an Ephraimite who was not from the direct line of David, took part of the kingdom. It became known as the kingdom of Israel.

Although King Solomon might be considered a partial, shadow fulfillment of the Davidic prophecy in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 17, he was not the literal fulfillment. There would be a descendant of King David in the last days that would re-establish the dynastic kingdom of David. Furthermore, we learn from the above passages that the Lord had promised David that after the establishment of his latter day descendant, ” There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.”

We shall now demonstrate that Joseph Smith is the literal fulfillment of the prophecy and that the promise that “There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel” has huge implications regarding those that succeeded the Prophet Joseph Smith in presiding over the latter day saints[20].

The Lord’s House vs. David’s House

The literal fulfillment of the Davidic prophecies contained in the Old Testament are among the most misunderstood and tortured prophecies in the Bible. Those prophecies have specific reference to a latter day descendant of David, not to King Solomon and clearly not to Christ. Christ never committed sin. Solomon did not establish the throne for evermore. Because of his transgressions, his kingdom became divided during the reign of his son. Modern revelation is pregnant with references to the reestablishment of the Davidic Dynasty through Joseph Smith Sr.

Joseph’s House

Notice in the passages above that the Davidic servant builds the Lord a house[21] for the Lords kingdom on earth and conversely, the Lord makes the Davidic Servant an “house”, referring primarily to promises regarding his posterity, as well as a physical structure. This cryptic wordplay takes on more clarity when it shows up in modern revelation. Notice what the Lord says about Joseph Smith’s “house” or posterity, having the same blessing of having the right to have a place in the physical “boarding house” of the Lord.

“And now I say unto you, as pertaining to my boarding house which I have commanded you to build for the boarding of strangers, let it be built unto my name, and let my name be named upon it, and let my servant Joseph and his house have place therein, from generation to generation.

For this anointing have I put upon his head, that his blessing shall also be put upon the head of his posterity after him.

And as I said unto Abraham concerning the kindreds of the earth, even so I say unto my servant Joseph: In thee and in thy seed shall the kindred of the earth be blessed.

Therefore, let my servant Joseph and his seed after him have place in that house, from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord”.[22]

The Lawgiver over the House of Israel

Just as the term “house” is used to refer to Joseph Smith’s posterity after him, as similarly used in the passages referring to king David and his house, Hyrum Smith is also given a promise pertaining to lineal priesthood that came to him by “right” and “blessing”. It is from this lineal priesthood of Hyrum’s, that William Law is granted priesthood office in the “room” of Hyrum.

“And again, verily I say unto you, let my servant William be appointed, ordained, and anointed, as counselor unto my servant Joseph, in the room of my servant Hyrum, that my servant Hyrum may take the office of Priesthood and Patriarch, which was appointed unto him by his father, by blessing and also by right;

92  That from henceforth he shall hold the keys of the patriarchal blessings upon the heads of all my people,”

The Secret Doctrine of the Davidic Bloodline

One of the best kept secrets of the LDS restoration is the fact that Joseph Smith was a direct descendant of King David, Jesse, and Judah. This seems odd and unlikely because virtually every indication of Joseph’s tribal heritage that has been made public, informs us that he comes from Joseph and Ephraim. Nevertheless, if one drills down deep enough, it is not difficult to gather the missing pieces of the puzzle relative to the fact that he was of mixed lineage. Perhaps the  obvious clue as to his secret identity is found in his patriarchal blessing given by Oliver Cowdery:

Notice the following declaration and then compare it to the snippet from Judah’s patriarchal blessing from his father Jacob:

“By the keys of the Kingdom shall he lead Israel into the land of Zion while the house of Jacob  shouts in the danse and in the song..

He shall be a lawgiver to Israel and shall teach the house of  Jacob the statutes of the Most High…

In his hands shall the Urim and Thummim remain and the holy ministry, and the  keys of the evangelical priesthood, also, for an everlasting priesthood forever, even the patriarchal; for, behold,  he is the first patriarch in the last days. He shall sit in the great assembly and general council of patriarchs,  and execute the will and commandment of God under the direction of the Ancient of Days”[23]

As you can see, Joseph will return to lead Israel into the land of Zion with the keys of the Kingdom that he holds, just as is prophesied in sections 101 and 103 of the D&C. But notice also that he shall be the LAWGIVER to Israel! That Biblical term is very definitive and revealing. Now look at the promise to Judah:

“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”[24]

As you can see, the right to the scepter of leadership over Israel and the calling of LAWGIVER over the twelve tribes, belongs to Judah! Joseph Smith’s patriarchal blessing is clearly identifying him as the last great lawgiver over all of Israel who sits directly under father Adam in authority. That would make him the last great Davidic Servant leading up to Christ. Clearly, he has to be from the loins of Judah as well as Joseph.

The Sceptre of Power

The term sceptre is also a term used to describe the rights of Judah, that is also verified in the blessing from father Jacob to his son Judah. It is no coincidence that the Lord refers to Joseph’s sceptre in Section 121 when teaching him about the righteous use of priesthood authority:

“The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth; and thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever.”[25]

It is really quite incredible that modern revelation acknowledges Joseph’s “unchanging scepter of righteousness” and his “dominion”!

These passages may provide additional clues to the identity of the “One Mighty and Strong”. The term scepter is also used in describing the one mighty and strong, in section 85 as follows.

“And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God..”[26]

One of the apparent discrepancies, explained by modern revelation and the restoration movement, having to do with the blessings that Israel gave to his sons, has to do with the fact that Judah clearly held the right to reign over Israel, yet Joseph’s blessing revealed that from his loins, would come “the shepherd”, also referred to as the “stone of Israel”, and that the blessings of his progenitors would be on the “crown” on his head, implying that he would reign over Israel.

This narrative about Joseph ruling over Israel, of course is reiterated when Joseph has a few prophetic dreams that he shares with his brethren indicating that they would all bow down to him. After hearing his first dream about the sheaves of his brothers all bowing down to Joseph’s sheaf, his brothers angrily replied:

“Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.”

This was very offensive to his older brothers and especially to Judah since he held the right to rule. Displaying a lack of diplomacy after the first response, Joseph shares a second dream with his father and brothers :

” Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? 11And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.”[27]

Although these dreams were typologically fulfilled when Joseph was sold into Egypt and became a leader who would eventually rule over them, in a sense, as he helped his brothers and parents during a time of famine, the literal fulfillment is obviously future and literal.

Judah’s blessing not only informs us that Judah has the right to the sceptre and to be the lawgiver over Israel, it also informs us that he has the exclusive right to gather Israel.

“..unto him shall the gathering of the people be”

It is no coincidence that Joseph Smith was given the keys to the gathering of Israel!

“After this vision closed, the heavens were again opened unto us; and Moses appeared before us, and committed unto us the keys of the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north.”[28]

It appears that Josephs lineage through Judah and King David was supposed to be kept a secret until just before the events of the Marvelous Work take place. In hindsight, as we review all of the amazing information that is now so easily made available through search technology, we can see that Joseph Smith meets all three of the criteria listed in Judah’s blessing:

  • He is the lawgiver
  • He holds the sceptre of power
  • He gathers the people

In addition to the above three criteria, Joseph Smith is the one who reunites the divided kingdom which is also one of the roles played by the Davidic Servant.

Clearly, Joseph Smith is of mixed lineage. He is not only of Joseph through Ephraim, but also of Judah and King David! The fact that the latter day servant is of mixed lineage, is what Isaiah 11 is speaking about and that is why Joseph Smith expounded on those passages to clarify that the Davidic servant is from both Jesse and Ephraim.

“What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?
Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days“.[29]

Re-establishing The Davidic Dynasty

Although apologists come up with many creative motivations for Joseph Smith’s involvement in polygamy, one of the most profound, yet best kept secrets, is that Joseph was aggressively taking on wives in an effort to re-establish the Davidic Dynasty as prophesied anciently. Joseph’s most widely known revelation on polygamy is contained in section 132 because it was canonized by Brigham Young, however people erroneously assume that was the only revelation on polygamy. Because of this, they assume it is the only authoritative template from which to determine the original doctrinal explanation upon which Polygamy was revealed. Hence they use section 132 as the exclusive template from which to understand Joseph’s motivations with regard to the practice.

Another revelation on polygamy, whose origins are much less questionable than section 132,  is one that Joseph presented to Newel K. Whitney, explaining how Bishop Whitney was to perform the ceremony of giving his daughter to Joseph in a polygamous marriage. The doctrinal narrative presented in that revelation provides a total disconnect when compared to the narrative contained in section 132[30].  Indeed the Whitney revelation had a completely different motivational narrative of entering into polygamy than section 132 provides.

Joseph apparently was led to believe that part of his process of establishing David’s ancient throne in the last days, in fulfillment of ancient prophecy, necessitated the grafting together of various ancient bloodlines through the marriage covenant. Notice the following snippet from the revelation that Joseph delivered to Newel K. Whitney, containing the verbiage to be used as he married Joseph Smith to his daughter Sarah:

“All these things I do in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that through this order he may be glorified and [that] through the power of anointing David may reign King over Israel, which shall hereafter be revealed”

The revelation is obviously revealing that Joseph needed to wed Ms Whitney in order that  “David may reign King over Israel“!

It is hard to believe that so few articles have been written about this amazing revelation by LDS scholars in connecting the emergence of polygamy with the re-establishment of the Davidic Kingdom in the last days.

It would appear from the above snippet, that the sole motivation for polygamy in this particular situation had to do with the re-establishment of the Davidic Dynasty. The revelation spoke of this great honor coming to the Whitney family because of “the lineage of my Priesthood” and the “holy progenitors by the right of birth” and “powers to concentrate in you and through to your posterity forever

Clearly, this revelation was promoting polygamy in the context of merging bloodlines and creating a dynastic power base based on Davidic bloodlines and the merging together of the two houses of Israel that had been split anciently.

It is clear from statements made by Joseph Smith’s successors that Joseph had told them that not only he, but many of them, had the blood of Davidic royalty running through their veins. During a Solemn Assembly held on the 2nd of July 1899, President George Q Cannon made the following declaration which was afterwards confirmed by President Lorenzo Snow:

“There are those in this audience who are descendants of the old Twelve Apostles-and shall I say it, yes, descendants of the Savior Himself. His seed is represented in this body of men..”

Other general authorities have made similar statements. Heber C. Kimball believed that he was personally a literal descendant of Jesus Christ. Although this doctrine has largely been kept secret, it has not always been quite so hidden. Victor L. Ludlow is one of the more recent LDS scholars to let the cat out of the bag. He has mentioned in his writings that “..a number of the brethren, including Joseph Smith, claimed that they shared lineage with Jesus in the tribe of Judah[31]

[Editorial Note: I provide this information for purposes of context, historical documentation and full disclosure of what was taught and believed by some of the early brethren. My personal opinion after searching the scriptures is that Jesus did not have physical offspring during his earthly ministry because he was not conceived through carnal intercourse, nor did he have human blood flowing through his veins. The virgin birth as described in the Bible and Book of Mormon is an accurate portrayal of Christs miraculous conception.

The Inspired Version informs us that he was conceived differently than mortals. “He was not born of [mortal] blood..”[32]. The Book of Mormon confirms the fact that His “great and last sacrifice” would not be “a sacrifice of man.. for it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice.”.

All of the standard works testify that Christ was not a carnal mortal man and that he was literally God in the flesh. It seems unlikely to me that God would have carnal sex with women and have mortal children with human blood when in fact He did not have human blood flowing in his veins.

It seems to me that the claims of men to be the literal offspring of God may well fall under the topic “strong delusion”. I do, however, believe that Joseph Smith, members of the quorum of the Twelve, and other converts to the restoration had the blood of King David flowing through their veins.

Furthermore, I reject the revelation to marry Sarah Ann Whitney. I believe it is a false revelation. I provide it to show that building the dynasty was a motivating force in Joseph’s mind, but I think Joseph’s eyes were covered at this point in time and he was deceived. There are some disturbing things in the revelation that don’t square with the scriptures or with the context of history. Here is a snippet from the revelation:

“..you both mutu[al]ly agree calling them by name to be each others companion so long as you both shall live presser[v]ing yourselv[es] for each other and from all others and also through [o]ut all eternity..”

How can they preserve themselves for each other? Joseph was married to Emma.Was Emma cast aside? I don’t think so.

Why did Joseph keep marrying women  if he was supposed to preserve himself for Sarah Ann?

Why did Sarah marry someone else if she was to preserve herself for Joseph? Sarah ended up getting married and having a bunch of kids with someone else.

What about the polygamous marriage for eternity BS which is contrary to scripture? Clearly, celestial polygamy does not hold up against the word of God.

What about the fact that their union did not produce offspring when in fact that was one of the primary purpose of the union, to create a Davidic heir to the throne?

The revelation is problematic on many levels to say the least. It is just one more piece of cognitive dissonance that testifies against the validity of the whole spiritual wife delusion that resulted in the apostasy of latter day Israel.]

It is interesting to note that on March 17 1963, a fellow by the name of J. Ricks Smith from Burbank California wrote a letter to Joseph Fielding Smith asking him what Isaiah 53:10 was speaking about:

“..he shall see his seed..”

He was obviously looking for verification that Jesus had physical offspring. He was probably surprised when he got the following reply:

“*Mosiah 15:10-11 Please read your Book of Mormon”

“And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation?  Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed.  And now what say ye?  And who shall be his seed?

“Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.”

The fact that Joseph Smith saw himself as the Davidic Servant establishing a kingdom is identified not only by his polygamous attempts at merging together family bloodlines to re-establish a dynasty, but also in his attempt to establish the political and military kingdom of God spoken of by Daniel the Prophet[33]. On March 11, 1844 he had himself anointed as King of Israel and he establish the council of Fifty which was meant to be a political kingdom. Various quotes from historians and authors are provided below to provide additional information:

“Joseph Smith established a secret organization called the Council of Fifty, in Nauvoo, Illinois, which was designed to carry out his plans for political empire. This theocratic-political kingdom or body of men met a number of times in Nauvoo before Smith’s death on June 27, 1844. The goal of this theocracy was world government.  They further believed they would govern and rule the earth during the millennial reign of Christ.”

On April 11, 1844, the Council of Fifty installed Joseph Smith as king on earth..This theocratic-political body believed they were receiving God’s “law” for the whole earth. On January 1, 1845, William Clayton summarized the goals and accomplishments of this council during 1844[34]:

“The organization of the kingdom of God on the 11th March last is one important event. This organization was called the council of fifty or kingdom of God and was titled by revelation as follows, ‘Verily thus saith the Lord, this is the name by which you shall be called, the kingdom of god and his law, with the keys and power thereof and judgments in the hands of his servants Ahman Christ.’ In this council was the plan arranged for supporting president Joseph Smith as a candidate for the presidency of the U.S. Prest. Joseph was the standing chairman of the council and myself the clerk. In this council was also devised the plan of establishing an immigration to Texas and plans laid for the exaltation of a standard and ensign of truths for the nations of the earth. In this council was the plan devised to restore the Ancients to the knowledge of the truth and the restoration of union and peace amongst ourselves. In this council was prest. Joseph chosen as our prophet Priest, & King by Hosannas. In this council was the principles of eternal truths rolled forth to the hearers without reserve and the hearts of the servants of God made to rejoice exceedingly.[35]

It is no secret that Brigham Young and others that succeeded Joseph Smith had themselves anointed king of Israel[36]. It is probable that this secret right has continued to this very day and that the leading brethren of the church secretly continue to believe that they are vessels of the holy bloodline from King David through Jesus and the Twelve Apostles.

It is also no secret that entrance into the highest quorums in the church have largely taken into consideration what lineage a person comes from. This is why virtually all of the members of the first presidency and quorum of the twelve can trace their ancestors back to Nauvoo where the grafting in of the two houses of Israel began in the latter days.

A recent LDS author has taken issue with the good old boys club that requires people to be of a certain lineage, in order to become one of God’s anointed that presides over the kingdom. Nevertheless he and others experiencing this jealously may not be fully aware of the deeper reason as to why this is important to the brethren. If in fact the two houses of Israel were being reunited and the ancient throne of David was secretly being established after the fulness of the gospel was rejected, in order to keep the roots of the tree alive until the Marvelous Work could begin, then certainly, bloodlines are important and the re-establishment of the ancient Kingdom of Israel does have its purpose. We learn from the Old Testament narratives that Kings were not necessarily smart, wise, inspired or even decent people. They were, nevertheless, Kings whose right to reign over the Houses of Israel was given by the providence of an all knowing God.

It may be considered snobbery and even a form of racism, but the highest councils of the church probably have a long secret tradition of viewing themselves as the elect and elite of God through the bloodline of King David, Jesse, and Judah. There are lots of people, including myself, who question the status of the modern corporate church as a “church” and we question the veracity of church leaders having themselves sustained as prophets, seers and revelators, nevertheless, those that are privy to these secret things having to do with ancient bloodlines realize that these leaders that sit in the seat of Moses currently hold the “legal lease” pertaining to the Kingdom of Israel, until the Lord of the vineyard and his anointed servants come back. Those who think they can thwart the foreordained purposes of God are pissing directly into the wind. God is the one that will set things right.

“And when the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, he will destroy those miserable, wicked men, and will let [lease] again his vineyard unto other husbandmen, even in the last days, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons”.[37]

There have been a long line of people claiming to be prophets who attempt to set the church in order and establish a Zion community. There are also those who consider themselves learned in Hebrew and in the ways of the Jews, that look down their noses at what they consider to be the lowly and uninspired “Gentile” and  “Ephraimite” saints as being unable to receive personal revelation. Some of these folks authoritatively declare that Joseph Smith and his successors cannot be of the Davidic bloodline because they descend from Joseph. These people categorically reject Joseph as the Davidic Servant based on their false perception of what his lineage is. Many of them have yet to figure out who the real Jews are and where the real Jerusalem of end times prophecy really is, despite setting themselves up as Hebrew prophecy scholars. These folks have a surprise awaiting them.

We are informed that when the light shines forth for the last time it will first go to and be rejected by those that sit in darkness.

And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
But they receive it not; for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (D&C 45:28-30)

Just as the wicked Kingdom of the Jews had previously been established to greet Christ in the Meridian of Time, I am going to suggest that the kingdom of the Jews has once again been re-established to meet greet Him and His Servants when the last RESTORATION takes place in the 3rd watch. Prophecy has been happening all around us. Very few people see it. Joseph Smith gave us the following view of what is about to take place. Will you be blindly looking at the smokescreen events in the Old World when this take place”

“What is to be understood by the two witnesses, in the eleventh chapter of Revelation?
A. They are two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews after they are gathered and have built the city of Jerusalem in the land of their fathers.” (Section 77:15)

 

To be continued in very deed?

[1] British Israelism, also known as Anglo-Israelism, as used in this chapter, is the belief that many or all of the “lost ten tribes” of Israel migrated to Europe and then to England and became the primary ancestors of the British people, including the pilgrims that came to
the United States from England. British Israelism was made popular by the Worldwide Church of God and Herbert Armstrong, but long before Armstrong came on the scene, the doctrine was substantiated in many of the revelations received by the prophet Joseph Smith. Other Christian groups have embraced the doctrine as well. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the literal descendants of king David continue the dynasty to the present day and  that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David. In Mormonism there are numerous reasons to suppose that the Joseph Smith Sr. family represented the re-emergence of the Davidic dynasty. Some of these evidences will be presented in this chapter.

[2] Jacob 5:67-68

[3]” We might say much on this point, showing you why things are as they are concerning the inhabitants of the earth receiving or rejecting the Gospel. Do you suppose they believe in Jesus Christ at Jerusalem? Can you make a Christian of a Jew? I tell you, nay. If a Jew comes in to this Church, and honestly professes to be a Saint, a follower of Christ, and if the blood of Judah is in his veins, he will apostatize. He may have been born and bred a Jew, have the face of a Jew, speak the language of the Jews, and have attended to all the ceremonies of the Jewish religion, and have openly professed to be a Jew all his days; but I will tell you a secret–there is not a particle of the blood of Judaism in him, if he has become a true Christian, a Saint of God; for if there is, he will most assuredly leave the Church of Christ, or that blood will be purged out of his veins. We have men among us who were Jews, and became converted from Judaism. For instance, here is brother Neibaur; do I believe there is one particle of the blood of Judah in his veins? No.. it is impossible to convert the Jews, until the Lord God Almighty does it ” Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2 (1854), p. 142.

[4] It appears that Brigham Young had very little affinity for the Book of Mormon and that is why Brigham Young seldom read or preached from the Book of Mormon. My contention is that he simply did not believe many of the doctrines in it.

[5] This summary of the two houses of Israel throughout Biblical History will be extremely short. There are numerous articles on the Internet that do a good job of detailing who the two kingdoms are, how they were divided, and the various prophecies foretelling that they would once again be reunited in the last days. This is one well written article although the author did not have the advantage of the additional standard works http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=2houses-of-Israel

[6] 2 Kings 17:18-23 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.

19  Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made.

20  And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.

21  For he rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king: and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the LORD, and made them sin a great sin.

22  For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;

23  Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets.  So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.

[7] This has great typological significance to the latter day saints since they were removed from their land inheritances in Kirtland, Jackson, Far West and Nauvoo because of their own transgressions.

[8] James 1:1 “JAMES, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting….”

[9] 2 Nephi 30:2

[10] D&C 109:61-4

[11] zach 10:6

[12] Jeremiah 50:4-5, 31:31-34

[13] Ezekiel 37:15-32

[14] Isaiah 11:1-13

[15] 1 Chronicles 17:1-15

[16] 1 Chronicles 22:8-10

[17] 2 Samuel 7:12-16

[18] 2 Chronicles 22:5-11

[19] 1 Kings 9-13

[20] If joseph’s claim as the Dividic Servant of the last days is authentic, then even though the church was rejected with its dead in Nauvoo, there is a tribal remnant of the House of David/United House of Israel, that has had davidic heirs presiding over it ever since. Herein lies the strongest claim of authority of modern Mormonism, although they do not openly make this claim.

[21]  “House” in this context refers to the Davidic royal dynasty ( 2 Sam 7:11, 16)

[22] D&C 124:56-59

[23] http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/blessing-from-oliver-cowdery-22-september-1835#!/paperSummary/blessing-from-oliver-cowdery-22-september-1835&p=1

[24] Gen 49:10

[25] Sometimes spelled “scepter”

[26] D&C 85:7

[27] Gen 37:9-11

[28] D&C 110:11

[29] D&C 113:1-6

[30] Section 132 is problematic on many levels. For one thing, the original revelation does not exist. Only and hand written copy exists. Secondly, there is historical evidence to suggest that the original revelation was much shorter than the one we have today without much of the theology that is currently present in it. Another consideration is that it was never accepted by the law of common consent during Joseph’s life and Joseph apparently had no plans to canonize it. Perhaps the most disturbing thing about section 132 is that it is incoherent and inconsistent with the scriptures that have have been accepted by common consent and canonized, see the following article https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/analysis-of-section-132/

[31] (See Life of Heber C. Kimball [1988], p. 185; JD 4:248; Journal of President Rudger Clawson, pp. 374-75; Ivins Journal, p. 21.)

[32] JST John 1:13

[33] “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Dan 2:44

[34] http://mormonthink.com/grant8.htm

[35]   William Clayton Journal, 1 January 1845, D. Michael Quinn Papers

[36] Following Smith’s death, the Council anointed Brigham Young its leader, and as the “king and president” of the Kingdom of God  See minutes of Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, 12 February 1849, p. 3 [LDS Archives], cited in Quinn 1997, p. 238. John Taylor’s coronation  that took place on February 4, 1885, is also a matter of public record. He was “anointed & set apart as a King Priest and Ruler over Israel on the Earth, over Zion & the Kingdom under Christ, our King of Kings.” There is no reason to suppose that this tradition is not continued to this very day. It is that authors opinion that the presidents of the LDS church from Joseph Smith to the present, represent the literal Kingdom of David, re-established upon the earth, in fulfillment of the ancient promise that it would be re-established and that after being established, the throne would be inhabited until he comes

[37] JST Matt 21:55

*Several quotes by the early leaders of the church about being of the Davidic Bloodline are contained in the Book “Dynasty of the Holy Grail: Mormonism’s Sacred Bloodline, by Vern G. Swanson. Another book on the subject is “Joseph Smith and his Royal Lineage, A Blood Descendant of Jesus Christ, by R. Merle Fowler

 

 


An Upcoming Debate between a Lowly Ephraimite Speculator and an Inspired Jewish Scribe?

March 22, 2015

After posting my last blog post highlighting some comments from “M” and discussing some commentary that Avraham Gileadi has provided about Isaiah 52, I got a comment in my “about” section from an ardent Gileadi disciple. He exclaimed:

I just read your latest blog and do not agree.

The two of us had a little exchange in the comment section which I also provided on that last posting as an update.

Anyone interested in the exchange can go there to read it.

After the exchange, the fellow returned and made the following comments and observations:

“About the last thing I want to be is contentious so I will tread lightly.

 I thought you also said, “It causes me to wonder if he has arrived at this conclusion recently.” I disagreed with you because Gileadi is now and has been consistent in looking for a Davidic Servant which is not Joseph Smith.

Occasionally I have the privilege of asking him questions and he always answers me succinctly. One of my questions has been, ‘why are some members of our church so against what you say?’ I then ask, ‘do you play the role of a prophet?’ To which he says he is more of a scribe. Scribes, after all, do not make things up, but elucidate and clarify what is written in scripture for our time.

Gileadi would NEVER reject anything the Lord says, and we can trust him on that.

In other words (and unfortunately for me), he is not a speculator like I want him to be. BTW…I think you are more informed about things generally than I, but a speculator you are (and you have stated as such). His advice has always been to find out what’s in scripture precisely before saying ANYTHING. Ouch. I am always so disappointed when I get advice like that, but he is right.

Since you asked, I looked up in my copy of The Last Days, 1991 (first edition), by Gileadi, pages 177-259, “Priesthood, Patriarchy and Proxy Salvation” for the exhaustive discussion about Hezekiah and Davidic Covenant which, I also remember in his book “Isaiah Decoded.”

Anyway..and In conclusion: I was reading D&C 90:3-4 today and thought of you. Speaking to Joseph the Lord said, “Verily I say unto you, the keys of this kingdom shall never be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come; Nevertheless, through you shall the oracles be given to another, yea, even unto the church. And all they who receive the oracles of God, let them beware how they hold them lest they are accounted as a light thing, and are brought under condemnation thereby, and stumble and fall when the storms descend, and the winds blow, and the rains descend, and beat upon their house.”

I don’t know exactly how the mortal Davidic Servant will operate, but I am confident his authority will hinge from the keys of the key holder of this last dispensation. When I think about it, there will be a great deal of temporal and spiritual work to do in ushering the Millennial age to this earth. For starters, Ephraimites need to start acting like Israel again (in other words shed our lost tribe status), and who better to teach us than another mortal? it’s too late for Joseph because he’s already ascended above us.

Treading carefully again in my opinion, you and I need to be more careful about how we speculate in this last space of time before the “winds blow, and the rains descend, and beat upon..” our house. Our church members are not reading the scriptures like we should and thus we are easily drawn away from what the scriptures are actually saying….etc…

It’s too bad you aren’t in my high priest group on Sundays because you would keep things lively for me.”

This good fellow did not want to be offensive or condescending as he reminded me that Brother Gileadi is an inspired Jewish “Scribe” that strictly sticks with what the Lord says and he never speculates.

I, on the other hand, am just an Ephraimite speculator. (In the profound words of my great great grandpappy Brigham Young, I am not a prophet, or the son of a prophet, I am a “Yankee Guesser“! LOL)

“Scribes, after all, do not make things up, but elucidate and clarify what is written in scripture for our time. Gileadi would NEVER reject anything the Lord says, and we can trust him on that.”

 

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Here is my reply to him-

About the last thing I want to be is contentious so I will tread lightly. I thought you also said, “It causes me to wonder if he has arrived at this conclusion recently.” I disagreed with you because Gileadi is now and has been consistent in looking for a Davidic Servant which is not Joseph Smith.

I wasn’t saying that Gileadi has not been consistent in looking for a Davidic Servant that was not Joseph Smith. [Frankly, that is one of the biggest problems with Brother Gileadi’s message] I simply think you misunderstood what I was saying.

It was never my intent to question whether Gileadi has been consistently teaching about the topic of the “Davidic Servant” or “Davidic King” that provides protection for his people, or the topic of “proxy saviors” or “proxy salvation” or “vassals” and “suzerain king” etc. I understand that he speaks of these general concepts particularly in reference to the latter day servant of the Lord. I very much appreciate that he does speak of these things.

What I had never detected from Gileadi’s writings is that he may have come to the conclusion that I have arrived at, which is that there is a very specific, identifiable prophetic event that takes place in the last days wherein the Davidic servant literally takes upon himself the sins of his people as an intercessory act (atonement offering) that causes him to be marred and that he needs to be healed of; An intercessory act that prevents his people from being destroyed from off the face of the earth.

That is what I was getting excited about. I felt that what Gileadi was saying in the blurb was more congruent with my findings (not referring to Joseph Smith as the servant, but simply the narrative about having the sins of Israel put upon him) than anything else I had heard him say. It is very possible that he wasn’t even saying what I thought he was saying.

I suspect that you have read my thesis about the Intercessory offering by the latter day servant. I would not be surprised if Gileadi has read it as well. In it, I claim that the Davidic servant in 2 Samuel 7 is NOT referring to Christ or Solomon as the literal fulfillment of the prophecy. My contention is that Joseph Smith fulfills every aspect of the prophecy. I then reference many other Old Testament prophecies to support the thesis, including the atonement statute in Leviticus 16, which I believe is also a prophecy about the same event.

(If you have not read the thesis, it is here

https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/atonement-statute-final-63.pdf)

The thing that struck me about the statement by Gileadi that “M” referred me to is that it sounded to me as if he was describing something quite similar to what I am saying in my thesis, despite the fact that he and I disagree about WHO the servant is.

That was the only point I was trying to make. I was not saying that Gileadi was softening about Joseph Smith being the Davidic servant and I was not saying that he had not spoken in general terms about how davidic servants can act a protectors, etc., I was simply saying that the explanation and verbiage that he used, particularly in reference to Isaiah 52 and the “marred servant” narrative seemed to be more to the point of what my research has led me to conclude about the servant being spoken of.

I appreciate that you don’t want to be contentious. I don’t either. But there is no need for you to tread lightly, I want you to be hard hitting in what you believe and in the points you want to make. I want you to stand up valiantly for what you believe in and to defend the beliefs of your friend Brother Gileadi, because that is how we learn from each other .

There is no need to be thin skinned. We need to be bold in declaring the truth as we see it.

I realize that in my enthusiasm and passion about these topics, I sometimes sound more contentious and combative in a personal sense than I mean to be. To me it is not personal; it is somewhat of a contest of ideas. It is a contest of proving which doctrines are sound and which ones are not.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with being hard hitting with regard to doctrine and in showing someone where they err in doctrine. I believe that debating the meaning of scripture can be beneficial if both parties sincerely just want to get to the truth while trying to be respectful and understand each other.

Joseph and Sidney were commanded to confound their enemies that were spreading false rumors and false doctrine:

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.
3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.
4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.
5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;
6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.
7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.
8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.
9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;
10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.
11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

Frankly, I would really like to meet brother Gileadi either in public or in private in a friendly debate because I think that much of the great work he has done is negated by the fact that he is indoctrinating his followers into rejecting who the true servant really is.

That is a serious thing.

Would you be willing to pass on this challenge to your friend and ask him if he would be willing to have a friendly little debate in private or public over this issue?

You have said:

.”Gileadi would NEVER reject anything the Lord says, and we can trust him on that.”

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you on that. He already has rejected something the Lord has said.

I don’t mean to be mean spirited or demeaning; I am simply calling a spade, a spade.

Brother Gileadi as set himself up as an expert in Hebrew and furthermore, he considers himself an  inspired scribe that is inspired in the art of understanding ancient scripture and prophecy. Therefore it is fair to scrutinize his claims and to see if he is teaching sound doctrine.

Allow me to explain my concerns.

I have presented you with a literal example of how Gileadi has in fact rejected what the Lord says and you have not defended the claim in his behalf. If you have been in contact with him about this discussion, then perhaps your neglect in mounting a defense is a result of his neglect in defending his position.

Now that I know that you are personal acquaintances with brother Gileadi and that you have a line of communication with him wherein he answers questions that you ask him, I am going to ask him a question through you and see if he is able and willing to defend himself.

In your last communication, you said this:

” For as long as I have listened to Gileadi (admittedly only since 2012), he has consistently denied Joseph Smith as the Servant whenever I asked. I remember him distinctly saying to always look for players in our own time, because we don’t need to have men come back from the past to fulfill God’s purposes.”

Lets analyze what is taking place here.

You took a scriptural narrative to brother Gileadi that indicates that Joseph Smith is the Davidic servant. That narrative is clearly provided in modern revelation.

Brother Gileadi simply responded with a personal opinion that has no scriptural backing.

He said:

“we don’t need to have men come back from the past to fulfill God’s purposes.”

Sadly, he did not feel the need to substantiate what he was saying with scripture.

Is he speaking on behalf of the Lord? I don’t think so because he told you he is more of a scribe than a prophet and he did not say “thus sayeth the Lord”

So why did he feel that he did not need to justify the personal opinion he proffered with the word of God?

I am now going to ask the same question I asked you earlier only I am going to break it down and be much more specific just in case you or he, is unfamiliar with what scripture says.

First of all, God has told us that every unconditional promise and prophecy in the D&C will come true. I use the following passages of scripture to justify that claim:

“Behold, this is mine authority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.
7 Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled.
Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
39 For behold, and lo, the Lord is God, and the Spirit beareth record, and the record is true, and the truth abideth forever and ever. Amen.”

OK now, I need you to ask brother Gileadi if he accepts the Doctrine and Covenants as scripture. [ask him is he accepts latter day revelation to be] just as valid as the book of Isaiah.

If he does, please ask him to agree or disagree with my interpretation of the above passages.

If he thinks I am wresting the meaning of the scriptures, please ask him to explain why I am wrong. Have him break it down for me in simple terms so that I can understand what the above passages really mean.

Now then, if he agrees with my interpretation of the above passages, then lets go on to the next passages that I am presenting as evidence that Joseph Smith is the Davidic Servant.

The following passages are taken from section 103 of the D&C. Please have him read them carefully and not take anything for granted.

“Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;
16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.
17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.
18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.
19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.
20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.
21 Verily, verily I say unto you, that my servant Joseph Smith, Jun. is the man to whom I likened the servant to whom the Lord of the vineyard spake in the parable which I have given unto you.
22 Therefore let my servant Joseph Smith, Jun. say unto the strength of my house, my young men and the middle aged—Gather yourselves together unto the land of Zion, upon the land which I have bought with money that has been consecrated unto me.
23 And let all the churches send up wise men with their moneys, and purchase lands even as I have commanded them.
24 And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you to drive you from my goodly land, which I have consecrated to be the land of Zion, even from your own lands after these testimonies, which ye have brought before me against them, ye shall curse them;
25 And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies.
26 And my presence shall be with you even in avenging me of mine enemies, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”

To fully appreciate what is being said in section 103, brother Gileadi needs to carefully read the parable of the redemption of Zion in section 101 [which it makes reference to].

My interpretation of the above passages is that Joseph Smith is the servant mentioned in the parable of the redemption of Zion that is given in section 101 and that he will literally fulfill the parable to the letter.

He will, as unconditionally stated in the above passages, be raise up and will go forth in power.

He will lead the Lords people forth with a stretched forth arm just as Moses did. Just as Moses was successful at leading the children of Israel out of bondage, Joseph Smith will be successful in leading the latter day saints out of bondage.

Verse 26 informs us that when Joseph Smith returns, it will be during the time of the 3rd and 4th generation of those living back [during that generation] in 1834, that hate the Lord.

Ask Brother Gileadi to show why the above interpretation is wrong.

I am not looking for his personal opinion as to why we do or don’t need someone to return from the dead, I am asking him to explain why he disregards the literal declarations of the Lord.

Now, the next passage I want to present is found in Section one of the D&C, the same section that the Lord declares that all of the promises and prophecies will be fulfilled:

“1 HEARKEN, O ye people of my church, saith the voice of him who dwells on high, and whose eyes are upon all men; yea, verily I say: Hearken ye people from afar; and ye that are upon the islands of the sea, listen together.
2 For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.
3 And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.
4 And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.
5 And they shall go forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded them.
6 Behold, this is mine authority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.
7 Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled.”

In my opinion, a literal interpretation of the above passages would indicate that when the appointed time comes, Gods servants will go forth providing a voice of warning. The servants are described as “my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.”

As you can see, the disciples that go forth warning the people in power, [in the last days] had already been chosen by the Lord by the time that revelation was given in November of 1831.

Providing even more clarity as to who the servant are, the Lord declares that the servants being referenced, are the same disciples that had been commissioned to publish the revelations in the BofC and the D&C.

As I am sure you and brother Gileadi are aware, the committee that was commissioned to publish the revelations was composed of Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery and Frederick G. Williams

The way I interpret that unconditional promise and prophecy by the Lord is that those four individuals will be among the ones that go forth in power with the voice of warning to the inhabitants of the world.

Please ask brother Gileadi if he disagrees with my literal interpretation of the above passages and if in fact they are not congruent with the prophecies contained in sections 101 and 103.

There are other passages the support the ones mentioned above which I will bring up in the live debate [that I have invited brother Gileadi to participate in].

Finally, you made the following statement:

“Treading carefully again in my opinion, you and I need to be more careful about how we speculate in this last space of time before the “winds blow, and the rains descend, and beat upon..” our house. Our church members are not reading the scriptures like we should and thus we are easily drawn away from what the scriptures are actually saying….etc…”

The problem with you directing the above statement to me is that it applies to brother Gileadi more than it does to me.

I am the one backing my conclusions up with scripture. He is the one throwing out personal opinions about people not needing to come back from the dead without providing any scriptural support for what he was saying.

I look forward to hearing brother Gileadi’s responses to my above questions and I am hopeful that he would be willing to have a personal discussion with me in public or in private.

Thank you for your consideration”

 

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Sadly, I have not yet received a reply from Brother Gileadi or his friend.

I hope one is forthcoming.

I hope he accepts my challenge to meet him in a debate of these most important topics.

I look forward to challenging some of his false interpretations and conclusions.

While I respect the fact that he has an impressive secular education and has spent many years trying to understand what Isaiah is saying, my contention  is that you can never fully understand Isaiah until and unless you learn to understand and believe modern revelation.

From everything I can ascertain, Brother Gileadi takes modern revelation lightly and seldom if ever takes the unconditional promises and prophecies in it literally. He seldom employs modern revelation as an interpretive key in understanding Isaiah. For this reason, Brother Gileadi still has not figured out who the Jews are or where Jerusalem is, with regard to Isaiah’s prophecies of the last days.

I have provided a huge amount of scriptural documentation to establish the truth behind these issues and I am offering to let Brother Gileadi show me how I error in these conclusions:

A Mystical Look at the LDS Restoration Movement

Until Brother Gileadi has an awakening to the hidden truths contained in the Book of Mormon and the D&C, his teachings relative to Isaiah will continue to echo many of the false prophetic assumptions that our protestant friends have been spewing for years.

It is because of false teachers assuring Latter day Saints that we don’t need people to come back from the dead, and that we need to look to temporary luminaries to find the prophesied Davidic Servant, that we get so many wing-nuts rising up, claiming to be the servant of the Lord who leads us into a Zion society. It would be interesting to know how many of the followers of you know who, had been prepared to be deceived by him, because of the indoctrination of brother Gileadi.

I don’t know if it was just a coincidence or if it was motivated by this recent exchange, but I just got the following email from another person who is asking me to state my prophetic credentials. Here is what he said in the email:

 

“Hello,

I like to learn and observe and see how others react to new and different information.  As to myself I like reading what you have to offer.  It provides me with a different insight of how people think and also there rational. 

A thought has been going through my head as to this, If we really knew who we are and our parentage would we recognize our state now on this earth and how to use those parental powers.  As I read the scriptures I pray that my eyes may see, my mine will be open, and that my heart will recognize the truth from my Heavenly Father and my Savior. 

This scripture was revealed to me last year as I was pondering the everlasting work and the word of my Lord. 

D&C 1

 14 And the arm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people; 

This scripture gives to me the priority of how much credence I listen to someone.  And I take things literally because it does and can happen.

So my question to you is this, base off of the scriptures you research..

I know that you are not the Lord.   

Are you the Lord? 

So are you his servant?                     If so, whom say that you are? 

Are you a Prophet?                           If so, whom say that you are? 

Are you an Apostle?                         If so, whom say that you are? 

Who are you???????  In the order of communication???              

 I know, Now please refer your post.  J

 Regards,

D L”

I have not replied yet to DL so I will do it here

I don’t claim to be the Lord.

I don’t claim to be His Servant

I don’t claim to be a Prophet

I don’t claim to be an Apostle

I guess I am just a lowly Ephraimite Speculator and Yankee Guesser ;)


Notable Emails Part 13 “Gileadi compares the Servant to Hezekiah, in that he answered for the temporal sins of the people and acted as a proxy savior”

March 19, 2015
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I recently got an email from a remarkable gal who said I could share it. Along with withholding her name, I have omitted a few details in what she said to further ensure anonymity.
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Dear Watcher, 

I was listening to Avraham Gileadi explain Chapter 52 of Isaiah the other day, and was interested to hear him speak about the Lord’s Servant in the last days who sinned by following the ways of his heart and was smitten and later healed by the Lord. Gileadi compares the Servant to Hezekiah, in that he answered for the temporal sins of the people and acted as a proxy savior (ie.for their disloyalties to God). Perhaps you’re already aware of this, but if not, the point of interest can be heard around the 20 minute mark at this 

link:http://www.isaiahexplained.com/52#one_col 

Also, I want to thank you for your example to me. Three years ago, I lived with an ever-increasing weight of cognitive dissonance on my shoulders. Most of the time, I felt like I was stuck between a rock and a hard place (a symptom I now recognize as a result of growing up in the LDS church and only seeing things in black and white). It wasn’t until I stumbled onto your blog, that I saw that between that rock and hard place was a door leading to a place of peace and light and truth that I never imagined existed. My whole paradigm has changed and I thank God for leading me out from the traditions of my fathers and showing me a better way.

I have read pretty much everything you have ever written and thanks to your example, I am devouring the scriptures like never before. There is so much to learn! When I was a newly-wed, about 10 years ago, my father told me that I shouldn’t worry about not making it to the celestial kingdom, that because I’d gone through the temple, I was automatically ‘in’. I remember thinking that if that’s all it took, well… is that it? just like that? I have always felt life is meant to be a time of expansion, of experiencing the depth and range of life experience, doing those things that have meaning, of seeking God out, laying it all at His feet and to have Him change me – a spiritual rebirth. My father’s answer puzzled me at the time and now it breaks my heart. There really is so much more to this journey.

I introduced my husband to the church… [before they got married] … and we both served missions…We’re in a really difficult time of life now and just clinging to the love we have for each other and our children and the basic gospel principles that we share a belief in. I really pray he will have an open heart and see things as they are without losing his faith altogether. What I’ve found, I want to shout in everybody’s ear, but I hold back and wait and hope and try not to think about how lonely this feels. Thank you for your blog! I so enjoy reading and learning from you and the comments.

Warmest regards,

“M”

My reply-

“M”

Thank you for that link, I was aware that Gileadi taught about “proxy saviors” but was unaware that he made specific reference to the end times servant having sinned in behalf of his people and then eventually healed by the Lord.. that is awesome and I look forward to hearing it!

 I am devouring the scriptures like never before. There is so much to learn!”

Praise God almighty!!!! That is so exciting that you are personally establishing a deep relationship with God’s holy word.

 “We’re in a really difficult time of life now and just clinging to the love we have for each other and our children and the basic gospel principles that we share a belief in. I really pray he will have an open heart and see things as they are without losing his faith altogether.

We live in a time when those of us that have been awakened to the miracle of God’s word and the beginning of the magnificent spiritual rebirth, must be patient with everyone around us and simply rely on the love of Christ that you referenced above. 

These are really difficult times for many people and the heat is going to be turned up a notch in the near future… may we all be vigilant as we go through the refiners fire.

Mrs Watcher and I will pray for you and your dear husband. Thank you so much for sharing with us what you are experiencing. God is obviously working a marvelous work in your life with regard to the scriptures. May the Lord continue to bless and enlighten you in your daily walk with the Lord.”

After the email exchange I could not wait to listen to the blurb by Gileadi and I was absolutely blown away by what I heard.

Here is the transcript I made which may not be word perfect, but you will get the general idea… (better yet, click on the link she gave and listen to the recording yourself)

First, Gileadi quotes scripture-

21:26 “the Lord smote him and then healed him…  By his sin of covetousness I was provoked, I struck him and hid my face in anger when he strayed following the ways of his heart yet I have seen his conduct and will heal him and recover him I will guide him and amply console him and those who  mourn for him says the Lord who heals him.

Then, Gileadi gives the following commentary:

“It seems like it’s hardly his own fault, on the other hand the servant is like Hezekiah, he takes upon himself, or he answers for the sins of the people to God and Hezekiah is smitten instead of them after the pattern of Christ in chapter 53 Christ pays the price of our sins for our spiritual salvation, Hezekiah pays the price for the peoples temporal salvation. He answers for their disloyalty to their God and thus be becomes a proxy savior to them.

Astounding!

Obviously, I have some differences of opinion with Brother Gileadi regarding this section of scripture.

For one thing, he seems to think that the marring is a physical marring. I tend to think it has reference to the spiritual, emotional, and reputational marring from the burden of bearing Israel’s sins and possibly from what he has experienced in the spirit world since his death. Of course my interpretation of that passage is influenced by the fact that I believe the prophecy is referring to Joseph Smith. Brother Gileadi has told several people that he does not believe it is Joseph Smith. He is apparently still looking for a future Davidic Servant.

There are a few other insignificant issues that we disagree on as well. Nevertheless I am grateful for another voice out there is that is pointing out that the latter day servant offered up an intercessory offering and answers for the sins of the people.

I must say, I am baffled at what I heard because I remember listening to this segment years ago and did not remember him saying that. Furthermore, I have never heard any of his listeners talk about this concept, until “M” brought it to my attention, and lastly, I attended one of his lectures last year when he addressed the topic of “proxy saviors”, and again, he did not mention anything about the Lord’s latter day servant being a proxy savior that provided an intercessory atonement offering, and took the sins of the people upon himself, that I can recall. It causes me to wonder if he has arrived at this conclusion recently.

I looked up that particular link on the way back machine just out of curiosity to see if he had made any updates or changes to that particular page in recent times because I am curious to know if he has always taught that or if this is a recent epiphany that he has had.

gileadi

It appears as if he has made some changes or updates on the 14th and 24th of February. Of course the changes may have had nothing to do with the part in question.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter one way or the other. The important thing is that someone with his knowledge of Hebrew is seeing what he is seeing. Regardless of whether he has always made this observation or whether the Lord has recently opened his eyes to it, the important thing is that he sees  it and has documented it.
Praise God.
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*UPDATE*
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I just got the following comments from a fellow:
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“I just read your latest blog and do not agree. For as long as I have listened to Gileadi (admittedly only since 2012), he has consistently denied Joseph Smith as the Servant whenever I asked. I remember him distinctly saying to always look for players in our own time, because we don’t need to have men come back from the past to fulfill God’s purposes. I understand him better now when he says that’s how we frequently get it so wrong, because we assume things that are not verified in the text of scripture. There is a good discussion about Hezekiah and the Davidic Covenant in the Literary Message of Isaiah, 1994 (second edition, 2012), by Gileadi, pages 39-53, and in the section on “Suffering and Salvation,” pages 183-239, but I am certain he wrote about the same things in the 1980s in his two books with Deseret Book.

Jonathan Felt”

My response:
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“Thank you for your observations Jonathan-I am a little confused by your declaration that you don’t agree with my post, followed by your observation that Gileadi has consistently denied Joseph Smith as the Servant. That is exactly what I said:

“Brother Gileadi has told several people that he does not believe it is Joseph Smith. He is apparently still looking for a future Davidic Servant.”

What part of the above comment did you not understand?

With regard to your contention that Gileadi has previously taught that the end times servant of the Lord does an intercession and takes upon himself the sins of the people, I am very excited to hear that, if it is true. I was not categorically claiming that Gileadi has never previously taught that, I was simply saying that I did not remember hearing him teach it, nor have any of his readers prior to “M” brought it to my attention.

Here is what I said:

“I must say, I am baffled at what I heard because I remember listening to this segment years ago and did not remember him saying that. Furthermore, I have never heard any of his listeners talk about this concept, until “M” brought it to my attention, and lastly, I attended one of his lectures last year when he addressed the topic of “proxy saviors”, and again, he did not mention anything about the Lord’s latter day servant being a proxy savior that I can recall. It causes me to wonder if he has arrived at this conclusion recently.”

As you can see, I did not claim categorically that Gileadi has not previously taught that the end times servant provides and intercession and takes the sins of the people upon himself, I am simply stating that I was not aware that he had, and I was speculating, and not sure if he had previously taught that.

I really appreciate hearing that he does teach this concept in two of his previous books, if that is the case.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Unfortunately, I don’t own either of those two books and do not desire to purchase either of them. I do have his “The Last Days, Types and Shadows…” book which I love. And I have his “Isaiah Decoded” book which I did not enjoy at all. It seems strange to me that he does not cover this concept in either of those books, if my dwindling memory serves me correctly. If I am wrong, please direct me to the appropriate pages. Now I am curious and may go back and look in those books. It has been a long time since I have read them…

Regarding the two books that you referenced, would you be willing to provide a direct quote from one or both of them for me to review? I would be happy to update my post with your comments and with the quotes from his book.

With regard to his rejection of Joseph Smith returning, it really baffles and saddens me that he denies the many unconditional promises in the D&C regarding Joseph’s return, not to mention prophetic declarations from Isaiah such as found in Isaiah 49 that are so clearly referencing the return of a servant that failed in his first attempt to gather Israel but is ultimately successful.

How does he justify believing in a God that makes unconditional promises in modern revelation and then fails to fulfill them? Does he reject the fact that God is all knowing and has all time, past present, and future continually before his eyes?

Has Gileadi ever addressed D&C 1:6-7, 38-39 and explained why he rejects those declarations of the Lord?

“Behold, this is mine authority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.
7 Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled.
Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
39 For behold, and lo, the Lord is God, and the Spirit beareth record, and the record is true, and the truth abideth forever and ever. Amen.”

I would love to hear his explanation on why he seems to believe that God’s word is not true and faithful and will not all be fulfilled. “


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